What can we learn from the success of Palworld?
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
- You've all already heard about the success of Palworld but what can we learn from its meteoric rise to the top of the charts? In this episode, Danny attempts to unpack the positioning, formula, market conditions that led to this breakthrough Pokémon-like hit.
Chapters
0:00 - Intro
1:53 - The History of Pokemon Games
5:39 - Plagiarism in Games
7:34 - Interview with @NoahJ456
11:10 - Analyzing the Developer's Intentions
13:18 - Conclusion
Produced by Secret Tape for A16Z GAMES
Hosted, Written & Edited by Danny O'Dwyer
Additional Filming by Jeremy Jayne
Special Thanks to @NoahJ456
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I feel like an aspect you may have missed is how the game's unhinged design lent itself to many "shocking" viral moments shared on social media. Things like, catching a human, slaughtering your adorable pals, catching a pal you should be able to right now, and someone's house burning down after being attacked by fire Pals. Combine this with recognizable streamers reacting to these and you have a recipe for a lot of word of mouth to be generated.
100% - absurdity is at its core. Noah touches on it in his interview mentioning the moment the trailer changed tone and showed the AK-47 assembly line.
@@A16ZGAMES yea reminds me of the bear scene from Baldur's Gate 3 in that respect
the way catching a person is a consequence of the mechanics and a choice on the part of the player really makes it funny more than anything. its surprisingly organic
You don’t need to wonder with Nintendo. The Pokémon company would’ve shut down Palworld three years ago if they thought they had a case. Palworld took a great concept and then made something fun with it.
That's what I been saying to people
If nintendo isn't saying/doing anything, then there no reason to yell at clouds
Totally agree, not to mention on how Nintendo has more than a decade to evolve the franchise and strike the PC market. Now they missed their chance.
I don't think it's about shutting down Palworld, but rather about specific desings. Not All pals pull from pokemon, some are original, and until the game released, not every pal was out there to be analyzed. Unlike a C&D when fangames straight up use nintendo IP, a litigation process - especially one that deals with plagiarism - probably has nintendo now consulting with multiple IP lawyers and consultants to asses on a 1:1 pokemon design to pal design basis, how strong of a case they would have. Not saying that it would happen but also saying that there's plenty of reason why nothing was done until release. Listen to the Kit & Krysta video on the subject, they used to work with PR within nintendo and they give some great insider knowledge on how they operate
Normally I’d agree but if they DID steal character models, you wouldn’t be able to prove that until after the game launched. I think The Pokemon Company (not Nintendo because contrary to popular belief I don’t think they’d be the ones filing legal action here) thought this game fly under the radar as ‘just another cheap knock off’ and even now I think they’d rather not draw attention to it. They probably expect this will all blow over and people will have forgotten about it in six months. It’ll be interesting to see what happens either way.
People's response to Nintendo's press release makes me laugh. "We're looking into it" is something companies and politicians say until everyone has moved on to some other issue and have stopped bothering them about "it".
Meme marketing and how it was a legit game came as a word of mouth made viral. It's a refreshing take towards the saturation of survival sandbox, the 1st thing I notice was how simplified the survival elements are making it accessible, to how monster taming is utilize in a cohesive gameplay loop. W mix-genre
Accessibility >
@@A16ZGAMES Accessibility and making easy to people to play with each other is the key to video game as once said the creator of Doom
@@A16ZGAMES Accessibility without patronize their audience like most studios absolutely obsessed with making it a core focus at the expense of player engagement and challenge. Clearly not everything has to be some groundbreaking, genre-defining, revolutionary xyz to be successful, sometimes you just gotta provide what an audience *actually wants* .
My takeaway is that:
- if you leave enough of pent up demand, for long period of time.
- even the copycat of a product everyone desires will suffice.
Nintendo could have broken all the sales records if they’d produce a current gen console version of Pokémon using their Zelda experience. They took too long. Now someone ate a chunk of their cake.
Scarlet/Violet sold 24 million copies. I think thats a sales record. Third highest selling pokemon game.
GIVE THE KITTY A ROCKET LAUNCHER
I dont like pokemon or cartoon games. I know absolutely nothing about pokemon. But i love ark. This is a chill ark and im having a blast.
Palworld is legendary. It's already at 19 million+ players across Xbox and steam, and it's only been out for 13-14days. I'm don't like survivor type games but this is just so fun idk why
Gotta stay til the end to discover who our real pals were all along
13:03 That's not fair, man.
There's some genuine, human consideration that has gone into this design, even if we JUST take into account the obvious instances where the Devs said:
"What is the obvious expectation here? What are the deep DESIRES Pokemon fans WANT out of a Pokemon game-- desires that GameFreak have consistently failed to satisfy?"
That is a creative decision, as well as a tactical decision.
Yeah, plus he compares to a cover band or an impersonator but when has a cover band been better than the original? Or better yet, when have they released new songs in the same style to good reception because the original artist kept letting their fans down and wouldn't do it themselves?
When your angle is this game is a knockoff that means you don't understand what is happening. This game offers more than what the "original" does so how does it become a knockoff? Is In and Out a knockoff of McDonald's? More 19M have been playing Palworld and they haven't been out a month. What kind of mere knockoff gets these kinds of player base? Lol.
Gaming industry veterans having lost touch with what the audience *actually* values and is interested in? *Nooooo* how could that possibly be a thing?! I swear, you either get activists for some entirely unrelated political cause, or people desperate to "elevate the industry" powered solely on the updraft of their own farts. It's embarrassing to see how salty people are over some rando gaining financial success by just saying, "Fine, I'll do it myself."
The CEO of pocket pair has been pretty open about not having a creative vision. However, I would disagree with him. I was thinking the other day that Palworld is exactly the kind of game a little kid would make if you asked them to make their dream game. They would just smash all their favorite games together so that they would have one thing that had everything they loved. It's a seemingly immature vision but it is a vision, and honestly one that the industry is severely lacking these days. So many games these days feel like they work out the monetization of the game before they work out how to make the game fun. Palworld decided to throw everything they liked into a blender and then tweak it until all its systems fit together, then they threw it out at a budget price with no microtransactions. Their primary concern was making the game fun, rather than being original or finding ways to make a feedback loop that nickles and dimes their customers.
The question now is how much will they commit to the game? If they continue to support it I can see it being a billion dollar franchise. If they don't. well... I'll still say I got my moneys worth. Though I think I would be disappointed. The game is a lot of fun but I think its also impossible to play it without seeing the potential for it to be even better.
@@happygimly6061 This exactly, have also mentioned elsewhere how uncanny it is from schoolyard "what ifs" about making a game. Cheering them on for actually bloody making it work with such a modest budget and initially way-in-over-their-heads development team.
Which Pokémon + Weapon pairing would you like to see? I'll start: Blastoise with... oh wait...
BulbaSaw
Hitmonchaingun@@Birbface
Articunoscope @@A16ZGAMES
I think pikachu would like the desert eagle.
Magicarp with a shank
That the age old adage of "Sex Sells" still holds, and will continue to hold weight in our modern society. You have a game that is essentially just ARK with Pokémon (not a bad thing, but admittedly unoriginal and slapdash), but the advertisements, which banked heavily on shock value, managed to endear everyone and their mothers to it, especially disgruntled Pokémon fans.
There's a whole lot that's said that amounts to saying that the game has no creative vision but I really couldn't disagree more. They clearly had a creative vision, something that took hold so strongly that they had to pivot from their other game to make this. They ended up giving us what we all didn't know we wanted and they created whole new ways to approach the genre. You're not just looking for Pals to fill your team, like in Pokemon, but you're also looking for all sorts of reasons to scoop them up and improve your base, collect traits, and more. It's genius, really.
Good for you who are enjoying the game, but that is not creative vision, is finding a market opportunity and being quite ruthless in grabbing other people's creative vision to fill it. I'm sure they did make a fun game, props to them, but this is not creative, just cunning.
Pokémon-planet and PokeMMO are two examples of how much potential (money) Nintendo/GameFreak/Pokémon has lost during the years. Palworld is just filling a vacuum Pokémon ignored for 30 years. Good for them.
Cassette Beasts, Coromon, Fae Tactics, Monster Sanctuary, Moonstone Island, Nexomon (probably beat palworld to imitating Pokemon so closely), Ni No Kuni 1 and World of Final Fantasy.
Not to mention the other age-old creature collecting alternative, Digimon. Cyber Sleuth is awesome and Survive is fun if you're also into Visual Novels.
All creature collectors I'd definitely recommend anyone to check out if you're a fan of the genre.
Also play Palworld too. It's good fun as well.
Beautiful list want to add Monster Crown for its monster fusion creating 45000~ combos
One more good addition on the list is shin megami tensei.
Except none of tose are fun AT ALL.
maybe Ni no kuni, but eh... nowhere near Palworld.
@@TreesPlease42I honestly don't have a good excuse as to how or why I forgot to mention SMT. Love me some of that too.
The guy who made the model comparison "evidence" has admitted to the video being fake by scaling the models to appear more directly similar.
They claim they did it because to them the game promotes animal abuse, which either means they have a PETA-tier reality disconnect or they're shielding themselves after their post went viral.
Palworld should make merch I'd buy it
Great video Danny, glad to see someone cutting through the wild discourse of social media and giving us a more measured look at the game.
you see here. the thing is.. and what i respect (its not a lot of respect but its there) about the Developers at PocketPair, they where designing the game to be fun. not groundbreaking, not original, but fun. and i think that is what a lot of game companies these days are missing. for most of the big companies... its not about fun anymore, games feel like a second job some days. i cant remember the last time i have been excited for anything made by Activision or EA. but these companies stopped making games more fun and just started selling us the same game over and over again, because they where too focused on profit to have fun. and as much as you can argue that nothing that PocketPair are doing is original... you can say that the idea's they copied came together in such a new way. Pokémon's problem is, at this point it feels like once you have played one you have played them all. sure they add a new type every now and then or a new gimmick that only stays for one game but its core is still 'just a Pokémon game' the same turn based strategy. it does get stale after a while.
Yeah but maybe that’s part of what the Pokémon fanbase wants. If there’s a type of game you like and a franchise fits into it you don’t really want the franchise to try to reinvent itself just to please fans that don’t like that genre. Take Final Fantasy for example: after 10 they basically started trying to reinvent what had been a stellar turn based RPG into an action RPG because they thought that’s what the American demographic wanted and classic Final Fantasy fans are pissed because we haven’t had a good Final Fantasy in over a decade. Sure each game feels different, but is that a good thing when it’s a bad kind of different? On the other hand Dragon Quest uses more or less the same battle system it always has and is more popular than ever because it scratches that turn based demographic that Final Fantasy abandoned.
I get that there's obvious Pokemon parallels, but the Monster Tamer genre IS a genre. Games like Digimon, Monster Rancher, Azure Dreams, Beyblade, Yu-Gi-Oh GX, Dragon Drive, there are just so many games along this concept. While Pokemon has become the de facto name in the arena it is by no means the only game in town, and it never has been.
Exactly, and it’s not copying the genre tropes that skeptics take issue with, it’s the blatant “legally distinct” approach to design, almost across the board. If this game featured fully original character designs I think there’d be no controversy whatsoever, BUT let’s be real, this was a calculated decision. They KNEW pursuing copypasta designs would take care of their marketing in and of itself, and the tried and tested survival/crafting tropes would keep people hooked (speaking as someone who they work on lol). I don’t plan on touching this game for multiple reasons, I don’t begrudge people enjoying a product made to be a product, I REALLY wish GameFreak/The Pokemon Company would step up their game… but I do not like the precedent that rewarding this kind of design sets.
I don’t begrudge people enjoying a product made to be a product, I REALLY wish GameFreak/The Pokemon Company would step up their game… but I do not like the precedent that rewarding this kind of soulless, blatant copypasta design sets, ESPECIALLY with genAI banging on the doors of every creative industry. A couple years from now and so much could go to shit because people follow this game’s example but make use of even more legally/morally questionable tactics. Guess we’ll see.
@@D3stinySm4sher Direhowl looks just like Tiger from Monster Rancher, as well as Ranga from That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime... and every other hyped-up wolf-type in anime. Same with the Penguins and most of the rest, because they're based on real-world animals. It wasn't soulless, they wanted to make a fun game that people would just enjoy, rather than attempting to tell people what they want.
Even if we look at Pal Spheres, SO many other ways this has been done in monster-tamer games. Spheres, Balls, Cards, Mystery Discs, Sigils, they've all been done in anime, manga, and video games. There is literally no way for them to make a monster-taming game without leaning into one of those territories. But they DID innovate, giving a vast open world, adding in elements of survival akin to ARK, fun ways of traversal like the Glider a la Breath of the Wild and a few other games that used gliders.
And ALL of these games generally base their monster on real-world creatures or mythical ones. They ALSO allow the capture of humans, which is a bit of a first. Also, no insane laundry list of guys just standing around in the tall grass waiting for you to get in eyeline before challenging you to a Pal Battle. The idea of getting raided, being able to PROPERLY use your Pokemon outside of combat to build up your bases. You don't really buy Spheres in the game, you craft them yourself, and can eventually automate the process by finding better blueprints, and upgrading spheres as you go. Dragons? We've done pretty much everything you can do with dragons, so whatever they designed was, again, going to hit something.
Cities Skylines was born out of SimCity dropping the ball, and dropping it hard. NO ONE gave them crap for it. Basically EVERY FPS game is built off of Quake, and the Unreal Tournament engine. It's not that they ripped off Pokemon, it's that Pokemon is so ubiquitous, and holding over 1000+ creatures, so there was never going to be a world where they didn't get compared to Pokemon.
Oh man. This takes me back to the GameSpot days.
Now thats a billion dollar idea right there, customized rocket launchers for household cats.
It's so refreshing to get a normal opinion about the game, without screeching, probably the only adequate analysis about Palworld right now
I think the most important thing from Palworld to learn is, how important good Marketing is. From the initial annoucement, that line "Pokemon with guns" stuck. Even though the released title as not much in common with a pokemon game, gameplay wise. But in a world where on average about 38 games per day are released on Steam, you need something to stand out. Even if its just a marketing ploy, because otherwise, Palworld is pretty unimaginative. There are tons of Open-World-Survival-Crafting games outthere, even with AI buddies. Its solide take on the genre, but nothing groundbreaking. Even quiet far from it. But is was marketed well from the start, and that was the key to success.
I love this take vs the typical perspective so far
"terrible Jane Austen parody books" how dare you, Pride and Prejudice and Zombies is fun!
but other than that thanks for another great video!
So Palworld is the pokemon game that Nintendo failed to make, instead another company (after heavily getting "inspired" by pokemon) is making millions and millions
it is like somebody else decided to finish the game of thrones series of books while GRR Martin restarts to write winds of winter for the 6th time,
plagiarism is ok in video games (unless you straight 100% copy bits of the game, but 90% is fine), that same shit would not fly one second in other art forms
Honestly, the game is fun. It isnt grand aww inspiring epic...its just... Fun!
How they got to the point is kinda besides the point.
My S/O said upon playing and seeing this. "its obvious to me that it would do well." She loves pokemon and she is currently playing the heck of out palworld along with me together Something you just cant do with any pokemon game.
Danny O'Dwyer has been my favorite gaming journalist for a long time. This channel and No Clip are my absolute favorite gaming related channels on youtube. Can anyone reccommend me any other similar or really good gaming related channels? I need more!
Great video! I'm mainly just in awe at how good Danny and his team are at this. Such a quick turn around on this topic and the quality is ridiculously high, it's really impressive. I smiled so hard at the phone bit, amazing way to stage what is essentially a zoom call
Pokemon has had every opportunity to make a great game. Their complacency made this gap in the market. I don't have any sympathy for them, and I'm a Pokemon fan. To me I say - so what if Palworld is a safe game that follow trends. It's fun, and it's fairly priced. Win win.
Pokemon has and currently does make great games. Arceus. Scarlet.
@@breadordecide None of those 2 are fun, there haven't been fun pokemon games for over a decade tbh.
We're in 2024 and they all play bad, look bad, run horribly, no creative vision, it's all just copy/paste and all of you idiots are buying it every generation, that's why they don't bother improving it.
The difference between Palworld and what we have been seeing from AAA studios is QUILITY first, it is great to see at least some sort of polish to a game and being derivative in a good way. A lot of what was "stolen" is in a better concept than the original. Considering that this is an indie dev it still feels solid when playing it.
This is a game made to be played and not just some bad game with Marvel or DC spread on top (These use to be great games and now it just feels like an agenda). The only thing that can ruin this game is if it implements a bad story to the game.
Sincerely appreciated this take
I don't think there is enough conversation about how its barely pokemon. it has none of the rpg elements, the story elements, the pve yet or the small town to big city hero journey. It's not pokemon, its satisfactory with a pokemon shaped hat. It may have "pets" but from satisfactory it has the near identical base progression, building, tech tree, berry collecting, resource gathering, locomotion mechanic upgrades, the eggs act like the research etc. I don't have an emotional opinion on any of this, just surprised to see very few comments on the far clearer comparison.
Here is the thing I don't understand. You do know that Anubis is an Egyptian character right? Why would Pokemon have exclusive rights to create animated characters based on Egyptian historical documents. In fact, the Palworld one looks like the Egyptian drawings. And a animated wolves, squirrels, mice, etc. They can't take Nintendo drawings and use those. They absolutely can create animated animals based on real animals and mythology.
Truth be told, the Pals look better than any Pokemon that have been released for any game so far. The oeiginal trailer looked like older Pokemon games. The release looks fantastic though.
I always thought Direhowl looked more like Tiger from Monster Rancher.
pals looking better than all pokémon is a hot take
Your cat wouldn't want a rocket launcher.
A Meowser is more its style.
It's ridiculous to imply that this game is just a mashup of things when it has more soul than ANY pokemon game ever made. I know you've not played this game, but if you did, you'd see how many unique animations ever Pal has, how charming interactions with pals are. It's so much more than you give it credit for.
That's stupid
Thanks Danny, I missed The Point and this scratched that itch.
The Great Men told me the name of the game is what you play! Did you have fun. That's all it's matter.
The evidence for the stolen assets accusation IS completely fabricated, and this was admitted to by the person who originally accused Pocket Pair.
Long time fan Danny. Love you work.
I think to me part of what's making Palworld stick out and connect with people is its confidence and transparity about what it is. In a world with Raid Shadow Legends pretending it's this big epic MMO, Call of Duty is this prestiegous brand, or even Candy Crush pretending it's a cute match 3 game and not a slot machine, it's refreshing to see ridiculous slop like this come out and just be open about the fact that it's just slop.
It's like somebody took one of those shitty mobile game ads and actually made it into a real game without any strings attached. You see a Pokemon holding a gun and you know the game is kind of garbage, but it's compelling garbage and you're getting exactly what you thought you were buying. It honestly kind of reminds me of Vampire Survivors.
There's no reason why palworld can't have the longevity of Ark, Valheim, etc.
New zones, new pals, new recipes and building materials. Encourage emergent gameplay in online spaces (co-op and/or pvp). Launching with public and private servers was a really smart move.
I came to see adding new pals, recipes and materials. No need for new zones land is already big enough to explore.
@@serpentblader0957i agree i hope they use the current map they have and really make it nice and full of content/pals before adding more areas. Right now even though the map is really big theres not really many points of interest other than randomly scattered pals, the occasional cave, a lifmunk or a skill tree
One thing that people don't point out enough is the fact that the game is very well developed, handling millions of concurrent gamers relatively stable. So many AAA games failed in this simple requirement. The technical execution is brilliant and functional. The art direction could have some work, though.
Man I love your videos. ❤
Where is the intro music from in the video
Pokemon doesn't need to add gun. They just need the gameplay and the mechanic. We could have a pikachu on shoulder use thunder ball instead. It's just how to show it. I mean if you think about it, we capture animal then make them fight for sport. Sound wrong, but it just a game in the end. Some Suspension of disbelief are need for just entertainment.
This is my take on this game. first was a good price, had systems from other games that i liked and for me on pc ran good on a mid lvl pc (3060). I have never played any poke games or will just not my type of game but, a fox has to look like a fox, it's like saying every porno need to look different we all live in the same world with the same things and like everything now the internet and tv shows and games we are starving for anything new and differnt! but also tired of the game companys BS spent 100 bucks on starfield and was sold a hot mess of a game with no soul, 100 bucks on cities skylines 2 and was givin a EA game with half baked of broken systems that ran like crap on low settings, OVER AND OVER AGAIN WE GAMERS GET THE SHAFT! Got 80 hours in plaworld so far and I am still having fun so for me thats 26 bucks well spent as for the rest I COULD CARE LESS!
I don’t think Pokémon will add guns just because I think in universe humans never developed what we think of as conventional weapons because Pokémon were more powerful than the most primitive guns. I mean think about musket vs squirtle, you fire the musket once, the squirtle takes a bit of damage and then blasts you to high heaven while you’re trying to reload. And of course if guns count as a normal type attack they’d be completely ineffective against ghosts and mostly useless against rock and steel. So I think there was more tactical incentive to develop Pokeball technology to contain Pokémon instead of making weapons to fight them. I also kind of like the fact that Pokémon, unlike most RPGs including most monster tamers, has our human child protagonist being virtually helpless except for what they can get Pokémon to do for them. So I think having the trainer participate doesn’t feel like Pokemon. Eh, maybe it would make sense if they did something like a game about the Great War in Pokémon X and Y and have your protagonist be a young warrior joining the fight with their Pokémon.
great vid danny love ya bud
Another great video! Love your unbiased and honest take on this game. It seems fun, but is a bit of a hard sell with the likes of Enshrouded having just been released, which to me seems like a great competitor to Valheim and gameplay wise, is giving Palworld a run for its money.
Enshrouded is an amazing game.
The cat at the end of the video though 😮😅
you guys still remember TemTem 1:09
i don't think that combining several aspects from existing games into a new one is bad, it's been happening for years. and just because the game was made reletivly cheaply clearly doesn't mean it's a bad game. I'm glad that there's a pokemon-esque game that's not hogtied to the switches limited hardware. pokemon has essentially been a monopooly for the longest time and had gotten lazy and now that palworld is here it's a shock to the system.
As someone who has over a hundred pokemon code cards to redeem, the pokemon deserves to have a competitive rival. I want a better product.
It's funny how these questions are accusations are "just business" if you're a big company and we don't question it
a better feature for a sense of bond, different expression just like palworld, let pokemon helped u in certain task, since pokemon's trainer does ntg but command pokemon when battle, maybe more expression could be made in combat? and being able to interact better just like palworld or even better for stuff like riding/surfing etc, current pokemon just does not deliver as much bonding as palworld imo
"Pokemon is held back by the hardware" And BOTW is not ? What ?
To be fair BOTW was held back still, and struggled to keep a stable 30 fps, but I get your point. Pokémon games seem to be less of a focus for Nintendo when compared to Zelda
@@apersonontheinternet8354 . But BOTW was one of the First game released on this new hardware , struggeling was normal. Pokemon had no excuse. They just tried to make a game in One year which resulted in a unpolished mess.
And let's not forget Pokemon took a lot of "inspiration" from Dragon Quest. RIP Akira Toriyama.
but noah just said it, "anubis," but then "hard to defend" as if pokemon owns anubis? i think palworld is directly adopting the ideas from pokemon that they have done, and thats it. pokemon or anyone else dont own the concept of "dog" not even "electric dog (and symbols of electricity)," those are too broad of ideas for patenting or even trademarking (at least it fricken better be). just an add on, like briefly shown in the vid, these companies would patent to own anything if they could, they will make a monopoly however they can if theres the slightest of loopholes.
Ackshually i make them eat berries that Caprity produces through ranch, so that Caprity basically eating itself 🤓
Danny the king of perspective :) Awesome piece everybody.
Gaming execs haven't been having a good time the past couple of years. Balder's Gate 3, and now Palworld, telling them "Look. Here's what you can do if you really try".
I'm surprised there was no mention of how the original Pokémon game completely ripped off Dragon Quest, on creature design.
The real lesson of Palworld is no matter who is using an old or new idea, if you aren't utilizing it in a way that is fun, then you're the one lacking creativity and talent. There was a clear and deliberate strategy when it came to what game mechanics to combine to create an addictive feedback loop that constantly cycles between different aspects that all interact with one another seamlessly. I cant understand the 'souless' argument when so much effort was put to making these mechanics work together. If anything the fact it looks so similar to pokemon is not so much copying for the sake of stealing ideas, but rather to prove a point that game devs with all these tools and assets aren't taking advantage of what they have, leaving its potential hidden, and this is what you can do with it.
besides theres no such thing as a truly original concept.
Absolute banger thanks for speaking to the virality of this cribbed game
Nintendo had every single opportunity to create an immersive Pokemon game like this in the past ten years and they stubbornly dug their heads into the sand and presented its fans with iterative, disappointing releases like Arceus and Scarlet/Violet. If anything, Nintendo should be grateful that Palworld has proved the market and all but guaranteed that a modern, innovative Pokemon game would sell out of this world.
I spent waaaaaay too much time trying to figure out how O'Dwyer was an Old Testament name before realizing you meant Daniel... I'm an idiot 😂
Signed Caleb :P
Palworld is so popular because there´re many who wanted a monster catcher in similar artstyle as Pokemon and haven´t played Pokemon in a long, just one not clearly made for little kids and Palworld is excactly that. Palworld targets more an adult audience as I think and they did what those who quit were asking someone to do. And there´s more why grown ups left Pokemon (not all) they started to look like sh*t at some point, I didn´t wanted to play a game looking at such fugly monsters.
Digimon is more based off the tamagachi one is the plot to the story you take care of one monster instead of a team not to also mention while digimon released in the west after pokemon the anime released around the same time as pokemon in Japan also digimon to my knowledge had monsters come from eggs something I don't recall from the anime or games until gen 2 so who really is coping who also pokemon wasn't the first creature collecting/ monster taming series game or anime anyone remember Monster rancher or Dragon Quest.
*spams back up button at beginning of video*
Nice kitty
I don't understand why people are so upset. This game is amazing.
Pokemon meets Ark Survival is more successful than the latest work from the makers of The Batman Arkham series.
Let that sink in.
This is a tale as old as time, at this point. For over a decade, to be precise.
Triple A's are out. Indies are in.
Just to clarify, the modeler accused of fabricating the comparisons was accused by someone with 0 understanding of 3d modeling because they had mentioned the models were proportionally re-scaled for comparison. Re-scaling is a non-deforming process that doesn't even need to touch the mesh.
If a company copies my poster artwork but puts in an outdoor, it doesnt cease to be a copy just cuz it's in a different scale
I was disappointed the copied models bit was swept aside so quickly in this video because to me, that’s the entire issue I have with the game. I mean, yea, it’s a soulless cash-grab but a ton of those exist, it is what it is, consumers gonna consume. But given the quickly approaching genAI storm at the shores of creative industries, I feel endorsing and defending this kind of behavior is… not great? Especially if the models were indeed stolen (which we don’t know but, hoo boi is it worth investigating).
@@D3stinySm4sher yeah I tend to stop short of saying plagiarism or stolen assets but - as a 3D modeler - the odds of MULTIPLE assets overlapping THAT MUCH with other existing assets is just… too much. Once or twice is a coincidence but this much is a pattern.
And anyone saying “ah but it’s slightly different, ah look at the topology”, if they know *anything* about 3D pipeline for games they’d know that you often remesh when sculpting or adding to an existing mesh, to merge it all together, and towards the end you tend to retopologize the whole thing to make it more performant, and then bake the details down into normal maps. The only way the meshes would be identical is if they had only recolored these things
What can we learn? That game companies going forward just make an inspired game ripping off another n make bank
Another CZcamsr looked at the models, and there really only seems to be a handful that are cause for concern, with one being a major issue where it practically copies a hair pattern 1 for 1. But for the most part it seems fine. Copying is bad and should be punished, but MOST of the pals seem to be a unique enough spin or parody to where I hope this game sticks around. It’s too fun
Yeah true, but is it enough to make a lawsuit. That's what I wanna know.
@@serpentblader0957doubt superficial things like similar hairstyles is enough to fly in court
@@kdeas10 I mean it depends how many similarities would fly in court. As in how many of there design are copies to consider to making a lawsuit. The end of the day the this a legal case that we have not control over.
The big brain move Nintendo should do is contract PocketPair to make an official Pokemon open world game (sans the more controversial elements obviously). This would allow both companies to succeed and give Nintendo a code base to keep on hand should the partnership fall through, while requiring little effort or expenditure by Nintendo.
If only mainline Pokemon games aren't exclusively to Nintendo hardware, then yes.
@@channe3049 Then make it a spin-off.
That too will restrict by the hardware 😢... in the future maybe@@PlebNC
Beyond all the fuss the thing that drives me nuts is people saying "There are only so many ways to design a cute cartoon sheep"...hell no, if you actually pay designers and artists with a vision there are countless ways to draw a fricking sheep, it's a feeble excuse for one's lack of creativity.
This games makes more sense from the old Pokemon. Pokemon were used as slaves, hard workers in the pokemon world, and were food for humans and other pokemons like carnivores.. Unfortunately they made more sales with children so everything had to be Soft Rated lol. But this is literally how I express myself if it was a pokemon game. Pikachu were made to help run the labs by generating huge amount of electricity. But you would never see that shit happen in Pokemon but in PaL World you see it all.
If Digimon has existed all these years then Palworld will be fine.
Palworld and pokemon are like csgo and cod
I have a problem with people comparing things to Breath of the Wild. Sure the chimes are spot on, but there was gliders before BotW, there was check points, teleporting, climbing, weapon degradation, anime art styles ect... BotW was not unique, it borrowed 90% of it mechanics and style from all over the place. Palworld, simply did the same. If you are someone that screams "BotW!" everytime a game does something similar, just remember Nintendo didn't invent BotW they built it on the shoulders of the industry at large.
Saying Legends: Arceus is restricted by the hardware is silly when BOTW and TOTK are right there. I hate when people compare them but I'm saying with how good they look and how big the map is and the variety of enemies/npcs there is no excuse for Pokémon not being able to utilize that for their games. They have become lazy and everyone in the community knows it. Hopefully this lights a fire under their butts and they do better because they CAN do better.
To say the switch being underpowered is not an excuse for bad Pokémon games. Xenoblade exists and has been able to show off how well monsters from afar can look and run. It’s gamefreak themselves that refuse to actually put care into their games.
I call BS on the hardware excuse on the Switch. I can play games like Warframe and it runs perfectly.
Pokemon is a rip of Shin Megami Tensei, my dude. They turned the monster taming mechanic into a child-friendly capture minigame. But it's still heavily inspired by SMT to the point it may as well be a rip.
Games used to blatantly copy each other all the time. Honestly wish this would happen more often. Someone needs to straight up rip the combat from Phantom Dust and put it in something else.
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Nothing, nobody will learn anything. All Palworld's opposition only looked for a way to destroy it by any means necessary.
That is not how people willing to learn act
I think the way I can explain the Palworld game is, it's organic on its way of being a game, it uses a lot of stuff from other games but the way it plays, it's all organic that you wont feel that it wasn't meant to be there at all. and a lot of indie games just borrow games trying to reinvent a mechanic but fails to make it organically functioning in the game it self, where Palworld successfully implements it without you noticing it. it's also how Leathal Company does on the system it self, it's clunkly but how everyone I've seen playing the game, it felt that the game was original and funny at the same time despite the gameplay is like phasmophobia and deep rock galactic.
yes, pokemon company should do something about it, they should make a better game than palworld and all pokemon game that come before.
Pokemon can do something similar to Palworld. Survivalcraft, but without guns, with a mix of Animal Crossing like cozy town builder (mid to late game) and dungeon crawler. Set it during Pokemon's equivalent of the Age of Exploration on a procedurally generated continent as a reason for gameplay mechanics. Hostile Pokemons will attack your town at night until the player(s) take down the alpha/king/queen of said Pokemon. Increase town level to unlock cozy crafting recipes and new NPC who'll move in who'll help build your town. Actually depict lore of the Pokedex, like sheer a sheep Pokemon to get wool or ghost Pokemon that will try to kidnap NPC from your town. If they want to risk a T rating, include theme of Pokemon Conquest as you diplomatically or aggressively navigate rival colonies, pirates, and bandits with real time tactics combat.
They will not. Pokémon will never let your character physically attack pokémon themselves, so there will never be the “fighting alongside your buddy” that Palworld has. I also don’t think they’ll ever let you have more than one of your own captive pokémon running around at a time, although it seems they could. And would they let you give them a bunch of tasks to carry out? I feel like the answer would be “no”, because they’re aware they’re already riding the line of enslavement and cockfighting - they have never, and will never, add anything else remotely edgy to their recipe, lest it topple their whole house of cards. Which is why the void they’ve left is so huge for Palworld to step into and become a hit.
@@johnnyjohnson6643 Palworld takes things to an extreme. There are lots of Pokemon's role in the world depicted in the anime and pokedex lore that we never see in game. This is why NPC characters are important in my concept, because they'll bring or catch their own Pokemon partners so the player isn't the only person with an army of Pokemon. The goal would be to build a town we see in the anime.
The T-rated scenario would be close to what was implied how Pokemon can be used Pokémon Generations Episode 2: The Chase but with tech of a 1400s~1500s era setting.
In the Legends game, Pokemon can attack the players, so allowing the players to defend themselves to buy time for escape or alert the town should still be acceptable in gameplay, especially for a time period without any modern weapons. Human character won't be able to start a fight without Pokemon, should still not be able to defeat Pokemon by themselves, and shouldn't even be able to aim at docile Pokemon.
I think comparing palworld to pokemon is stupid because those who actually play the game unless they are actively looking for similarities to get mad at they will realise that the game is completely different from pokemon and catching monsters that have powers is not something pokemon owns there are so many games that are similar not to mention pokemon stole multiple pokemon designs from dragon quest but nobody mentions that because its not convenient some if the comparisons they make feel like a massive stretch if you don't look at it when trying to find something to get mad about like a good example direhowl is just a black and white wolf but people compare it to lycanrock when the only similaritie is that they are both wolves as if pokemon own the rights to have wolves in games the only pal that actually looks like a pokemon is verdash that looks like more masculine grass version if cinderace that one I will admit dose but the others are a massive stretch and it was revealed that the person who compared the models side by side faked the evidence because he didn't like what the players can do to pals if they want
lmao at calling NoahJ a pokemon youtuber and asking him about this
Anubis and Lucario are jsut inspired by the egyptian God Anubis....
The lesson? 30$ and a great game without MTX? Take that AAA game companies.
This guy is a pokemon fan it seems. It's more enjoyable than the bargain bin games that pokemon has had for so long. I didn't make it far because not only is your preference showing,but your bias.
Other than model theft i say its all legit
3:58 we just had to make back handed comment against digimon huh? It's not ripping off Tamagochi, its a sub brand of it. They where both a Bandai Namco product and the producer of Tamagochi made digimon to appeal to boys as they assumed the Cutesy style of Tamagochi won't cater to the demographic enough. The western sentiment of Digimon being a Pokemon knock-off is rooted to the western misinformed belief back then that Pokemon, Digimon, and Power Rangers were complete homegrown american brands. :v thinking a rival network made Digimon solely to be a Pokemon Bootleg despite having nothing in common except otherworldly creatures with childrens involved.
Meanwhile Pokémon stole idea from dragonQuest