The Logitech bundle doesn't include the shifter tho, so add another $60 for that. At this price point not saving up a little more for a DD wheel is foolish.
@@m4rcin847direct drive has more force. You can feel alot more than the gears the other one has. The gear system logitech uses is by no doubt heavily outdated but still a decent working idea. Direct drive is a more modern sophisticated technology.
@@misterpervysage476 Agree with everything you said. The problem is that R3 is not worth extra money over Logitech or T300 RS. Its super budget, low quality product. Ive tested it, didnt feel that much difference between Moza and Thrustmaster T300 in terms of FF. I wouldnt bother with this if I was new. R5 or CSL DD is the minimum. Cheaper stuff from Logi and Thrust is just better bang for buck for new guys IMO.
@@m4rcin847 the r3 is such a waste of developmental costs. I mean you could buy it then upgrade your motor to an r5 but that means you plan on sticking with moza. When you switch to an r9 your pedals become invalidated and the es wheel wont be satisfying enough so its like buying the whole ecosystem again
@@DutchDriverr when you are in the middle of a game and you take the wheel off (with the quick release) the force feedback quits working and you have to retart the game so we only take it off when we’re done playing. Not a big deal really. Some issues mapping buttons too but logitech also has that issue. Minor complaints. I haven’t had it very long but as of right now I think it is definitely better than the logi.
Spot on reviews. I've had a G923 for years and even put an Acelith mod on it, but just upgraded to an R3 and the difference is significant. The R3 now works on F1 24 and it's a blast to use. Highly recommend it.
My buddies r3 feels loose like a Milwaukee impact. You can feel both sides hit a metal piece inside when you move in the opposite direction. Like the steering drive isn’t directly connected and its banging into some weight.
YES, IT'S BETTER. The problem: Moza doesn't have official distributors on some countries, like mine, Mexico. Buying a wheel that is not from logitech is at leas paying 50 or 60% more in taxes and shipping
Get the one that suits your budget. They both seem like great wheels and with experience of the g923 I can say you'll love it. Pick one up hardly ever used like I did, boxed with the tape still on the centre for £120. 🙂
Given the torque output of the R3 (ca. 3.9Nm) isn’t the Thrustmaster T-X a better comparison? They are more closely comparable in terms of FFB output and both allow for changing rims natively.
Absolutely a better comparison. I used to have a tx and have driven the R3 and even tho technically they have the same ffb power, the r3 feels a lot better, stronger and faster return to centre (obviously as its direct drive) , i also found you can run the r3 closer to full power for longer without ffb fade issues. The TX you need to run it at around 70% power or face the potential of it overheating (i went through 2 motors on my tx)
I got my G923 on sale for 279$ BINB. Also I like the ability to add a shifter down the line. Resale value might be better on the 923 PS4/PS5 version IMO due to the more plug and play nature. I am not super into sim but as a tool to practice tracks where I will be having track days IRL.
@@InfernalAvr0ra I'm about to buy the R3. What do you think it'll perform on : Touring car? Rally? Drifting? Open wheel? Truck/bus? Some random bloke on internet says : R3 is good enough for everything except rally and drifting. Is that true?
Awesome comparison video. I see how the Moza R3 comes out on top in this battle. I think your review videos are the best in breaking down the pros and cons of these products. best wheel goes to Geek Street ✊✊✨✨
Best Wheel 👍🏻 I’ve ordered a Moza R3 bundle as my first ever sim wheel. Everything I’ve watched over the past couple of days tells me it’s the one to go for, especially as in the UK I am able to get it on 3 interest free payments with Klarna. For sim racing on a (relative) budget it seems like a fair bit of upgrading is possible by going with Moza and starting off with a DD is just going to give a better experience
i got the logitech g29 for around 160 usd brandnew of a person on marketplace "wich is a steal price for me as a new sim gamer'' ive seen this moza r3 and planning to upgrade but not sure if its worth it
Same here, got my g923 off of fb marketplace for $250 cad (180 usd) it came with some mods, inverted pedals and a full on racing seat. In my opinion I’ll probably save up and wait till I see a good deal, or until the hype all dies down. Unless you have extra cash lying around I wouldn’t push myself to upgrade
@@kentieu7106 that’s a good price considering that it’s the newer model with true force and comes with racing seats. The only downside of buying used is that sometimes some buttons don’t work “in my case the first time i bought used the L3 and R3 buttons dont work very well” i had to return the wheel and got my money back. luckily the second time i bought used it was brandnew open box so it’s basically new but a little bit on the expensive side with the price of 160 usd without the racing seats. Had to buy the playseat racing seat totaling the cost of 299 usd with the steering wheel and everything. but i would say it’s still cheaper than a DD steering wheel. It would be nice to have a direct drive but i wouldn’t consider it as i only play occasionally and the g29 would suffice.
Nice review man! I have been looking into the G923 for how easy it is to get in my country. Companies like moza or fanatec are very hard to get and usually cost more. Where i live the G923 is around 350 and the R3/R5 ranges from 400-600 dollars. Is the G923 still worth the cash?
@@fajaradi1223 yeah same beacuse of import tax i can get only popular wheels like G29, G923... moza would be 2X more expensive than G923 and with that money you can get a car :D
11:16 hey nice video.. i have question.. did moza planning on update the moza hgp shifter compatibility with any game on xbox anytime soon.. it really sad i cant use my hgp on fh5 now..
@@GeekStreet hey I just got the r3 and the sequential shift with it and for the life of me I can not get it working on any Xbox game... are they planning on updating the sequential shifter for Xbox game's
ive got nothing to compare my r3 bundle to other than the controller. Its next level for me and I’m way smoother hauling ass in Forza 7 on an xbox one in any race i do.
"best wheel" reviews are found here on this channel. Just giving thoughts and facts w/o pushing affiliate links and strong personal preferences that end up muddying and over complicating things. Stares at certain other loong form review channels. I digress bc i get it though; I get it some ppl like long and opinionated reviews, I just seek answers to my own questions and have consistently find them here... and now I've influenced myself to subscribe lol. P.s. just so were clear---- BEST WHEEL lol
I have the g920 bought from a catalogue pay monthly as I am on disability benefits catalogue company only had that choice or the g29 or g923 that was 2yrs ago, but with money limited I chose the g920 it does it job OK I drive in ATS and ETS2 plus Forza 5 ..
@@virenhoo5449 i dont regret my purchase though. i think its a great wheel which is vey similar to a real care with the trueforce feedback and you can get the spring and clutch included. if you want to get a racing wheel i would highly recommend it.
I don’t have the R3 but I had g29 but I sold it. Now I have t300, Logitech G Pro and t-Gt ll G29 is a toy. The only steering wheel it can beat is the Hori steering wheel witch I also have😅 (it was my first one bought) Go for the R3 guys DD is the best ❤
Biggest downside with the R3 being a console player is the lack of compatibility with ACC, not sure if they fixed it by now but very disappointing to hear at $400, like my cheap ass Ferrari thrust master with no FF is compatible with ACC
My g29 is compatible with my ps3, my ps4 and my pc - Including xbox games app. From Moza, only the r3 is xbox and pc compatible. The way I see it for me personally G29=pay less get more. Moza and many other DD manufacturers=pay more get less. G29 is enough for me as a casual sim Gamer across my consoles and pc. If I were to upgrade it would be Fanatec DD pro due to being somewhat cheaper compared to other DD wheels and compatibility with PS. But everytime I look at one I think fuck it, the price still just doesnt justify the purchase for me. Plus my g29 is still kicking hard so no need to replace it. And since I've never used a DD wheel, I dont know what im missing out on. Ill just keep using my g29 until it dies.
@@simplevoicereviewssvr6418 Now with Fanatec in disarray, going bankrupt. Not sure its a good idea for me to be purchasing gear from them. Will wait and see what becomes of them
The logishit wheels are much much overpriced. Also, you don't discuss all of the issues with the software, as well as the fact that sometimes these wheels will last a few years sometimes they break a year after purchase.
Went with the Logitech because I didn’t want to wait so long for Moza to finally release. I swear it took nearly a year for them to release it from when they first announced it.
@@sheepmasterrace Several let you hear it, but when they don't it is because the whole internet is full of clips of the sound and the sound is the same with the: G25, G27, G29, G920, G923. That is a year range of arou d 2007 to 2020 loo,ing at year of release, if you as a simracer, after all those years still havent heard once of the sound or heard the sound itself it is a you issue. The rattle is so wellknown people just know it.
@FirssenSimracing because you're saying that gear and belt driven wheels are better than an equivalent strength direct drive wheel. Gears and belts have slop. Direct drive wheels don't have that slop, so they are able to have a more accurate response. That's not marketing hype, it's just how the mechanics of the system works. The more components the motion has to go through, the more tolerances are introduced, which results in less detailed feedback. DD is superior in that aspect.
Check out my review of Moza Vs Fanatec CSL - czcams.com/video/OyfJNsEUqNQ/video.html
Which one would you choose?
@@GeekStreet I already have the Moza, so Moza!!
@@GeekStreet definitely Moza
Got the G923 and love it. Got it for £120 second hand. Literally never used. So much better than a controller.
i have the g920 + shifter
fanatec csl dd bundle ofc
Well sadly it is 2x more expensive than the G923 in my country including the import tax and no there aren't any local resellers
The Logitech bundle doesn't include the shifter tho, so add another $60 for that.
At this price point not saving up a little more for a DD wheel is foolish.
Why its foolish? R3 is quiet and that's it. Cost alot more.
@@m4rcin847direct drive has more force. You can feel alot more than the gears the other one has. The gear system logitech uses is by no doubt heavily outdated but still a decent working idea. Direct drive is a more modern sophisticated technology.
@@misterpervysage476 Agree with everything you said. The problem is that R3 is not worth extra money over Logitech or T300 RS. Its super budget, low quality product. Ive tested it, didnt feel that much difference between Moza and Thrustmaster T300 in terms of FF. I wouldnt bother with this if I was new. R5 or CSL DD is the minimum. Cheaper stuff from Logi and Thrust is just better bang for buck for new guys IMO.
@@m4rcin847 the r3 is such a waste of developmental costs. I mean you could buy it then upgrade your motor to an r5 but that means you plan on sticking with moza. When you switch to an r9 your pedals become invalidated and the es wheel wont be satisfying enough so its like buying the whole ecosystem again
We bought the r3 and the 923 and I returned the 923 yesterday. The r3 isn’t perfect but dd is awesome.
@@FalconPunch1978 what’s wrong with the r3? I’m looking to buy it soon
@@DutchDriverr when you are in the middle of a game and you take the wheel off (with the quick release) the force feedback quits working and you have to retart the game so we only take it off when we’re done playing. Not a big deal really. Some issues mapping buttons too but logitech also has that issue. Minor complaints. I haven’t had it very long but as of right now I think it is definitely better than the logi.
@@FalconPunch1978 thanks!
@@DutchDriverr 👍
@@FalconPunch1978 just opted for the r3 from the g29 on xbox, finally have a dd and handbrake, just need that AC on pc now
I upgraded to moza r3 from a g920. Massive difference in feeling. Its my first experience with a DD wheel. Very happy with it so far
@@citedcanvas85 💪
why noy upgrade to R5 instead?
@@user-vk3dv3mi6h with that logic, why not R9?
Where I live the r3 is more than double the price of the g923, is it worth it?
Here in South Africa, the g923 and moza r3 are roughly the same price give or take a few Bob. Its pretty much a no brainer
@@velxty4969 EG sim, Takealot, and Simulator Cave
@@robertcarr4172 pretty much 🇿🇦
Spot on reviews. I've had a G923 for years and even put an Acelith mod on it, but just upgraded to an R3 and the difference is significant. The R3 now works on F1 24 and it's a blast to use. Highly recommend it.
My buddies r3 feels loose like a Milwaukee impact. You can feel both sides hit a metal piece inside when you move in the opposite direction. Like the steering drive isn’t directly connected and its banging into some weight.
YES, IT'S BETTER.
The problem: Moza doesn't have official distributors on some countries, like mine, Mexico.
Buying a wheel that is not from logitech is at leas paying 50 or 60% more in taxes and shipping
they want £130 to ship to uk for moza r3 so its not £399 more like £529
Get the one that suits your budget. They both seem like great wheels and with experience of the g923 I can say you'll love it. Pick one up hardly ever used like I did, boxed with the tape still on the centre for £120. 🙂
ACC and F1 24 are compatible now!
@@dnboii4404 Is f1 Acc definitely ok with R3 now? Cheerz As a wasn’t going to get As I mainly play F1
@@Bubba420- yes they 100% work! F1 23 does not work yet, but F1 22 does work
Given the torque output of the R3 (ca. 3.9Nm) isn’t the Thrustmaster T-X a better comparison?
They are more closely comparable in terms of FFB output and both allow for changing rims natively.
Absolutely a better comparison. I used to have a tx and have driven the R3 and even tho technically they have the same ffb power, the r3 feels a lot better, stronger and faster return to centre (obviously as its direct drive) , i also found you can run the r3 closer to full power for longer without ffb fade issues. The TX you need to run it at around 70% power or face the potential of it overheating (i went through 2 motors on my tx)
I got my G923 on sale for 279$ BINB. Also I like the ability to add a shifter down the line. Resale value might be better on the 923 PS4/PS5 version IMO due to the more plug and play nature. I am not super into sim but as a tool to practice tracks where I will be having track days IRL.
For me it’s just way to expensive for only 3 NM, at that point I would rather save for the csl DD or the R5.
Its 3.9nm , and it feels really nice
@@robertcarr4172 Still underpowered.
@@InfernalAvr0ra
I'm about to buy the R3. What do you think it'll perform on :
Touring car?
Rally?
Drifting?
Open wheel?
Truck/bus?
Some random bloke on internet says : R3 is good enough for everything except rally and drifting. Is that true?
@@fajaradi1223 Yea save for CSL DD.
Awesome comparison video. I see how the Moza R3 comes out on top in this battle. I think your review videos are the best in breaking down the pros and cons of these products.
best wheel goes to Geek Street ✊✊✨✨
Thanks bro!
@@GeekStreet just so yk these verified guys are actually bots that use ai to combine the most popular comments, think about it.
Best Wheel 👍🏻 I’ve ordered a Moza R3 bundle as my first ever sim wheel. Everything I’ve watched over the past couple of days tells me it’s the one to go for, especially as in the UK I am able to get it on 3 interest free payments with Klarna.
For sim racing on a (relative) budget it seems like a fair bit of upgrading is possible by going with Moza and starting off with a DD is just going to give a better experience
Quick question: can you use a Logitech shifter if you have the Moza r3? Because I really like the feel of the Logitech one.
Yes you can but on PC only and you'd have to get this adapter czcams.com/video/bcOJ_iGkwKU/video.html
@@GeekStreet thanks man
If you are on PC and want a shifter get an SHH. They are great little units, can do sequential too... So much better than Logitech's H pattern.
How does the throttle stiffness compare to the weaker Logitech?
i got the logitech g29 for around 160 usd brandnew of a person on marketplace "wich is a steal price for me as a new sim gamer'' ive seen this moza r3 and planning to upgrade but not sure if its worth it
Same here, got my g923 off of fb marketplace for $250 cad (180 usd) it came with some mods, inverted pedals and a full on racing seat. In my opinion I’ll probably save up and wait till I see a good deal, or until the hype all dies down. Unless you have extra cash lying around I wouldn’t push myself to upgrade
@@kentieu7106 that’s a good price considering that it’s the newer model with true force and comes with racing seats. The only downside of buying used is that sometimes some buttons don’t work “in my case the first time i bought used the L3 and R3 buttons dont work very well” i had to return the wheel and got my money back. luckily the second time i bought used it was brandnew open box so it’s basically new but a little bit on the expensive side with the price of 160 usd without the racing seats. Had to buy the playseat racing seat totaling the cost of 299 usd with the steering wheel and everything. but i would say it’s still cheaper than a DD steering wheel. It would be nice to have a direct drive but i wouldn’t consider it as i only play occasionally and the g29 would suffice.
A great comparison video bro 👍🏼
"BEST WHEEL" 🔥
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Nice review man! I have been looking into the G923 for how easy it is to get in my country. Companies like moza or fanatec are very hard to get and usually cost more. Where i live the G923 is around 350 and the R3/R5 ranges from 400-600 dollars. Is the G923 still worth the cash?
Would love to see comparison with T300 RSGT
I bought the R3 for my daughter and me. It will arrive this week and I'm very curious. It'll be our first wheel, so fingers crossed.
What u think is it worth it and which games u are playing with that
Im so glad I chose cammus, 7 nm peak and twice the build quality of either the moza or jokitech and best bit,, $250 bucks
It's the price of G29 on where I live. G29, not G920, T300RS, let alone Moza.
@@fajaradi1223 yeah same beacuse of import tax i can get only popular wheels like G29, G923... moza would be 2X more expensive than G923 and with that money you can get a car :D
but you can get the logitech for 240 US right now would that be worth it? I think the Moza would be out of budget
logitech should come up with a budget dd wheel , it will be move available to 3rd world countries
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Agreed! Logitech owns one the best global distribution network. A budget DD like the R3 will be a market killer.
Also, we'd definitely see a Playstation version from Logitech. Moza currently just don't do Playstation at all.
Question for you guys out there, is there a way to get the shift light in the Logitech g923 wheel to work. Like anything out there?
11:16 hey nice video.. i have question.. did moza planning on update the moza hgp shifter compatibility with any game on xbox anytime soon.. it really sad i cant use my hgp on fh5 now..
Yes they are working on getting the accessories working.
@@GeekStreet wow seriously that is a really good news.. thanks man.. its been a month i playing moza r3 without a shifter and it feel weird😅
@@GeekStreet hey I just got the r3 and the sequential shift with it and for the life of me I can not get it working on any Xbox game... are they planning on updating the sequential shifter for Xbox game's
ACC сейчас на xbox уже работает. Сам проверял.
Awesome review mate 😊 “Best Wheel”
Thanks bro!
Where I live the R3 is more than double the price of the g923. Is it worth it?
t300rs gt vs moza r3, which do you prefer?
R3 of course. They cost almost the same.
@@fajaradi1223 hard to find moze r3 used, and t300rs gt used just for 300 bucks
ive got nothing to compare my r3 bundle to other than the controller. Its next level for me and I’m way smoother hauling ass in Forza 7 on an xbox one in any race i do.
Im thinking to buy a wheel but im not sure what to buy, should I get the r3 or the thrustmaster 300rsgt. Any suggestions ? 😅
i have the r3 its a great wheel feels very premium, only con is the wheel isnt soft
"best wheel" reviews are found here on this channel. Just giving thoughts and facts w/o pushing affiliate links and strong personal preferences that end up muddying and over complicating things. Stares at certain other loong form review channels. I digress bc i get it though; I get it some ppl like long and opinionated reviews, I just seek answers to my own questions and have consistently find them here... and now I've influenced myself to subscribe lol. P.s. just so were clear---- BEST WHEEL lol
Thank you so much ❤️
currently using the g920, but I have the fanatec csl dd coming in today! can't wait
enjoy bro
The cammus c5 is about the best direct drive wheel and its cheaper
@@VultureUk-Rich except it's not Xbox compatible
I have the g920 bought from a catalogue pay monthly as I am on disability benefits catalogue company only had that choice or the g29 or g923 that was 2yrs ago, but with money limited I chose the g920 it does it job OK I drive in ATS and ETS2 plus Forza 5 ..
F1 24 is now supported. But the ACC issue is ridiculous.
Hopefully not long for ACC support 🙏
@@GeekStreet @robertcarr4172 I believe ACC support was added in a patch yesterday.
I love my G923 PS4/5 version, why, Trueforce, more and more games have it, i also have a G27, G29, and Thrustmater T-GT II (6nm)
i literally got a g923 last week
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@@virenhoo5449 i dont regret my purchase though. i think its a great wheel which is vey similar to a real care with the trueforce feedback and you can get the spring and clutch included. if you want to get a racing wheel i would highly recommend it.
Enjoy! Great aren't they, so did I.😎
No worries at 3nm I'm sure you would still want to upgrade if you keep racing.
Is it PLAY station compatible
At the end of the day it comes to skill, so using a g923 and still being able to perform drifts or insane cornering with it shows it all🗿
I don’t have the R3 but I had g29 but I sold it. Now I have t300, Logitech G Pro and t-Gt ll
G29 is a toy. The only steering wheel it can beat is the Hori steering wheel witch I also have😅 (it was my first one bought) Go for the R3 guys DD is the best ❤
Monza is only PC ??
You didn't watch the video 🤦🏽♂️
@@GeekStreet oops
Cammus C5 will beat both of those in price and performance.
I chose the Thrustmaster t128 bcuz its 1/2 the price of the G923 and 1/3 of the Moza and for entry wheel i think it will suffice ..
Biggest downside with the R3 being a console player is the lack of compatibility with ACC, not sure if they fixed it by now but very disappointing to hear at $400, like my cheap ass Ferrari thrust master with no FF is compatible with ACC
Could do a r3 vs t300rs.
Thrustmaster global distribution kinda sucks. It's hard to find, and when they're available. The price is bloated.
I think that there is no competition here
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I choose nothing between these two because 3.9Nm is too weak for a dd. I'll just jump straight to R5 or more powerful.
F1 24 is now compatible with the R3
@@theexcrim excellent news 👌
My g29 is compatible with my ps3, my ps4 and my pc - Including xbox games app.
From Moza, only the r3 is xbox and pc compatible.
The way I see it for me personally
G29=pay less get more.
Moza and many other DD manufacturers=pay more get less.
G29 is enough for me as a casual sim Gamer across my consoles and pc.
If I were to upgrade it would be Fanatec DD pro due to being somewhat cheaper compared to other DD wheels and compatibility with PS. But everytime I look at one I think fuck it, the price still just doesnt justify the purchase for me. Plus my g29 is still kicking hard so no need to replace it. And since I've never used a DD wheel, I dont know what im missing out on. Ill just keep using my g29 until it dies.
@@2770monz gotta get a DD, it's next level
@@simplevoicereviewssvr6418 Now with Fanatec in disarray, going bankrupt. Not sure its a good idea for me to be purchasing gear from them. Will wait and see what becomes of them
best wheel
@@seantilbury-jones8294 🤩
R3 is twice cost surely ?
And 10x better.
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The logishit wheels are much much overpriced. Also, you don't discuss all of the issues with the software, as well as the fact that sometimes these wheels will last a few years sometimes they break a year after purchase.
Went with the Logitech because I didn’t want to wait so long for Moza to finally release. I swear it took nearly a year for them to release it from when they first announced it.
I really need Moza to thinks playstation
a used G29 is still king.
comparing a DD wheel, no matter which, with a gear-driven FFB is a joke..........
@@danielburda6918 when they cost almost the same its not
the r3 is a lot more expensive
You aren’t planning on giving the R3 to someone in need are you 👀 just consider me please love your vids ❤ BEST WHEEL
@@acons2 🤩
every reviewer complains about the g923's noise but NOT A SINGLE VIDEO ever lets you hear the noise!
@@sheepmasterrace Several let you hear it, but when they don't it is because the whole internet is full of clips of the sound and the sound is the same with the: G25, G27, G29, G920, G923. That is a year range of arou d 2007 to 2020 loo,ing at year of release, if you as a simracer, after all those years still havent heard once of the sound or heard the sound itself it is a you issue. The rattle is so wellknown people just know it.
No much of a comparison to be had to be honest brotha😅
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Small torque DDs are dead end in FFB development.
Gear and belt driven FFB wheels with similar toque beats that idea in terms of feeling any day.
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Tell me you've never used a dd, without telling me you've never used a dd
@@48dart because I think something different than hype and marketing crap?
xD
@@48dart 🤡
@FirssenSimracing because you're saying that gear and belt driven wheels are better than an equivalent strength direct drive wheel. Gears and belts have slop. Direct drive wheels don't have that slop, so they are able to have a more accurate response. That's not marketing hype, it's just how the mechanics of the system works. The more components the motion has to go through, the more tolerances are introduced, which results in less detailed feedback. DD is superior in that aspect.