Tywin was, above all, a hypocrite. He never cared about his family, only himself. He never cared who sat on the throne as long as he commands the king. He never cared about his son's whore, only how he perceived his image as a result, same with his children's affair. All he ever cared about was himself.
@@Ilivedbih A hypocrite still knows the lessons, even if they never learn or apply them internally. In this case. He knows the lesson he told Imp. He doesn't practice what he preaches because he uses the Cleganes like the dogs they have on their banner.
@@TKize777 It’s part of the 9 alignment system. Imagine a chart with Good, Neutral, and Evil, intersecting with Lawful, Neutral, and Chaotic. Neutral Evil is an evil thing that does not follow a particular code, does not actively seek to sow chaos for shits and giggles, rather is completely self interested, no motives aside from what benefits them
@@TKize777except neutral evil is a thing. You have lawful, neutral, and chaotic evil just as you have good and lawful neutral, true neutral, and chaotic neutral. Learn your fucking alignment chart
He was cool af...but I still can't understand why tf he just became a loud cocky MF shouting at the crowd instead of landing the kill blow on the mountain 🤣🤣🤣 now your head is caved in and you still never got revenge for your sister
@@justinpederson2217 I believe he’s referencing “The Office” where Dwight is interrogating the workers in the office because he found a joint in the parking lot, and when he interrogates Jim, Jim flips it around and starts interrogating Dwight lol
@@sage3576 You didn't even "fix" or add anything to what OP said, your comment is literally irrelevant and unnecessary. You just wanted to be pedantic for the sake of it 🤓
Pedro Pascal was a hidden gem. He had all these small roles and flourished during GoT. For a character who was only around for one season, he really stole our hearts.
like all actors/musicians/whatever, if they kept their politics to themselves, they'd be a lot more likeable. but like all Hollywood, Pedro is a Libtard.
There is a book theory that Oberyn had already started to poison Tywin because he was complaining about bowel problems before his death. After Tyrion killed home on the privy, I do believe that the maester commented on his innards being black & smelling putrid
@@alyssondasilva4484 Yeah, it was emphasized heavily with Tywin. If it was just decomposing then that would also apply to every dead person in the Sept before him. But the emphasis on the stench meant it was very unusual and unexpected.
@@deathstalkerx4415 that and when pycelle was listing the poisons tyrion had confiscated from the grand maesters office, widows blood was the only poison we were given the symptoms of. Symptoms Tywin coincidently exhibits after Oberyns arrival to King's Landing.
@@josecalufele7786 He learn on Citadel get 6 Chain of Maester in short time & became 2nd jenius person on Citadel History after Lord Lyonel Strong first get 6 Maester chain in short time. Because normal person need 30 year for collect 6 Maester chain.
Because that's his first language. It is like comparing a person from U.S.A. to someone from Canada. Or someone from London to someone to Liverpool. They speak the same Language just with different accents.
@@starwarsfan-ye9hw im gonna butcher everyone's name but because elia's children where with reagar targarien so they would all have a claim to the throne. He had to eliminate any future threats to his families power.
Simply put.. Tywin ordered the mountain to kill Rhegar’s heirs. The kids. Tywin did not order the mountain to kill Princess Elia Martell. The issue is that Tywin didn’t care what the mountain did. This is part of the reason everyone in Westeros feared Tywin
One of the first badass evil rules I ever saw him in was when he played the bad guy/demon in the movie The Golden Child! And even though I remember his name from the movie don't ask me to spell it on here.😅
Methinks you don't know what categorically means. His response doesn't mean "not exactly" or "not in the way you think". His response means "I had absolutely nothing to do with it in any way."
@@ijuhi Categorically - in a way that is unambiguously explicit and direct Huh no kidding, I thought it just meant he had nothing to do with how the murder went down
@@ijuhiAnd that could still be true if he used that word. If he said capture and bring her to me, she resists, and then The Mountain rapes, and murders her, Tywin had nothing to do with that. That would be totally on The Mountain.
Back when the writing and characterization were still good and consistent. Tywin admits no guilt, so the only punishment for him and the Mountain would be Karmic....I wonder what karma the Red Viper was carrying.
Imagine if they waited on GRR Martin to write the last 4 episodes. We'd be freaking out about that. At least it's been through this incarnation. You just can't compare 1-4 & 5-8. Its sad but someone had to finish the damn thing in time to film it. I try to think of it as two stories, told from different perspectives, as the og writer did, with new twists from D.B. and Dan.
The cinematography in 5-8 got consistently better. The Battle of the Bastards had some of the most beautiful shots of war horses in full charge and the suffocating atmosphere of the death pile.
While I don’t necessarily like the karma concept applied here, the red viper was drunk on revenge and pride. He made sure the mountain would never die quickly by choosing poison, and celebrated taking him down too early. I guess that’s his punishment. I remember reading this and crying lol like why him out of all people, absolutely favourite character
yes. His desire to have the Mountain or Tywin confess the planning of the murder of his sister and her children was Oberyn's downfall. He planned the whole fight around this. He was so superior to the Mountain that he could play with him - by that he was sure. And then he got a bit too reckless and died horribly for it. Still, I fully can understand his reasoning.
*What I love about Oberyn is that he seems like a kind of clumsy man who just likes to drink and have a good time, when in fact he's calm, funny, smart, fierce, meticulous with his words and his actions. He died at the hands of The Mountain because of a mistake, but, for me at least, he remains the strongest warrior on Game of Thrones.*
We never saw Jaime at full flight. At the battle before he was captured by Robb he was single handedly mowing down dozens of soldiers according to the books and we got nothing in the show. It would've been a hell of a sight to witness a fighter truly above everyone else.
@@canchero724 good point. In the books Jaime even says that he could defeat The Mountain with agility, strategy, leaving him tired. But Jaime doesn't know Oberyn's skill, and the Red Viper is known to be virtually unstoppable. It would be an incredible battle between them two. But I think Oberyn would win because of the spear reach advantage.
@@calebesagaz5226beryn isn't a fighter knights r used to. Spears rnt used in duels, they r meant to be lined up in war to make a wall. this itself will throw off a lot of people.
Tywin never told the mountain to do it because Tywin permitted it through inaction. Standard procedure for bad leaders. If you ever end up in a situation where your boss tells you to do something seemingly impossible without any help or guidance and refuses to approve any ideas you have and then sends you on your way, it means they want you to lie to them so that if it doesn't work you take the fall and if it succeeds they still get credit. I saw a manager of mine do that constantly and they got promoted after a few years.
Tywin admitted in the book it was carelessness on his part that killed elia martell😂 apparently he told armory lorch and the mountain to kill the children they killed elia martell because he never told them not to he actually wanted to negotiate peace with dorne using elia
People dont realize oberyn actually killed both tywin n the moutain.. moutain just became a zombie n tyrion killed tywin as the posion started taking its affect on him…
The best part of this is that Tywin sets up Oberyn to fight The Mountain, knowing full well that either The Mountain will be strong enough to kill him and get the "thorn" out of his side or he fails and Oberyn is content having known he's avenged his sister. Either way he wins
No he doesn't. Tywin wasn't ever expecting that to happen. He wanted Tyrion to confess. He never wanted a trial by combat and hated the fact that it was Oberyn bc he knew he'd have problems with Dorne if he died.
*When I first read the third book and Oberyn was winning the battle against the Mountain, I could have sworn Oberyn would throw his spear at Twyin, killing him in front of everyone.*
@@randycrawford1132 nah. Tywin is a man obsessed with brutality and fear, just look at how he treated the Raynes, and Tysha, and how he has his men do the exact same shit in the riverlands during the war of the 5 kings. He rules explicitly through fear and makes sure that threats to him and his power aren't just defeated, but that they die in the most brutal and savage ways he and his men can devise.
@@krishan8735 Doesn't make much sense for him to order Elia's murder. Her connection to the Targaryen regime was through marriage, not blood, she wouldn't be able to contest Robert for the throne. Her children were dangers to Roberts crown and it made sense why Tywin disposed of them. But Elia's death just caused a needless blood feud between the Lannisters and Martells. The situation with the Reynes and Tarbecks was different. They were bannerman to the Lannisters and they had initially rebelled against their Leige Lord. Tywin had put them down and would of faced no repercussions for his decision. Additionally, all the reynes were in the Westerlands and he destroyed them all in their seat of power, Castamere. The Martells are a house (on paper) on par with House Lannister (being direct vassals of the King). He also had no plans to kill the other Martells and displace them of their position and I very much doubt he could. So killing Elia Martell would of only made the other Martells pissed whilst gaining nothing from it. What likely happened was that Tywin ordered the death of the kids and did not directly tell Gregor Clegane to not kill Elia. In Gregors insane lust for murder he killed her as well.
@@amanimckenzie32 you make a good point about Elia not being to the Targereyn's anymore, but I still think he'd ordered the murder of Elia. And the reason is, just look at the red wedding. He specifically made a point of going after Catelyn, and in the show, Robs wife. And again, I'd just site Tysha. His brutality and fear mongering is specifically to make a point. To intimate and to terrify people into obeying the lannisters. This goes all the way back to his childhood, with his father. Tytos was a man nobody respected. People laughed to his face, and blatantly took advantage of him, and humiliated him left right and centre. And the thing Tywin hated most, is when Tytos married a common woman. He saw this as such shame upon the name of Lannisters, and so to make up for this, when his father died, he had the woman stripped, beaten and walked naked out on the streets to show the world how beneath the Lannisters she was. This is how Tywin is, he rules specifically through brutality and fear because deep down, he's deeply insecure, and massively wants the world to see him and his family as undeniably above them. Hence why he is SO brutal, killing the Raynes even after they surrendered (and writes a song about this to inspire more fear, no less), having his men raid and rape in the riverlands during the war of the 5 kings, the red wedding, Tysha, etc. And hell, it's telling that he tries to ensure that Oberyn in the dark about Elia, but makes barely effort at all with regards to anyone else. Do you really think it'd be hard for him to stop the rumors from spreading in the first place?
@@krishan8735 If I recall correctly he said to Tyrion he ordered the children's deaths but not hers. I think Joanna was also close friends with the Martells so Tywin had no reason to basically get them as enemies because of the Mountain.
Tywin needed to show his new King his allegiance. Wouldn't the alive Elia and her young children be a better offering than dead? Robert could choose what he wanted to deal with them. Tywin knew this too. I believe the mountain acted out of order.
Оберин лучший персонаж. Красивый, харизматичный, умный. Эту роль никто бы не исполнил лучше чем этот актёр. Очень приятный мужчина! Я даже плакала когда его убили 😭 Я предвидела, что так и кончится его история. Не могли просто так наказать Тайвина Ланистера. Было бы глупо. Очень жаль, что Оберин так мало задержался на экранах 😢😢
An extremely interesting exchange between these two characters and great actors! Tywin got what he had coming although his character did show threads of some decent humanity(the Arya exchanges). Oberyn's death was needless and unlikeable.The Mountain with all his power and girth was no match for Oberyn in combat.Oberyn was killed because his overwhelming passion consumed his reasoning at an essential moment
In my personal headcanon Tywin wanted them alive to present to Robert Knowing Robert in his temper would kill them himself, putting over a strong case to have him removed from power as soon as he has an heir with Cercei, allowing Tywin to rule again as hand of the king The mountain going against his orders would be a greater shame to Tywin than having people think of him as a butcher
The claim from Book Tywin to Tyrion is that he ordered the children’s deaths to show commitment to Robert but not Elia’s. That Amery Lorch & the Mountain got too enthused basically This could be a lie but is worth mentioning
Hot take: if we're ever going to remake Princess Bride, we need to do it *tomorrow* before Pedro Pascal stops naturally being the person that Mandy Patinkin was pretending to be.
The inflection at the end of catagorically changes the meaning. Its no longer 'definitly with out catagories"' and becomes "with some catagories reserved".
Thank you. Most likely he absolutely ordered the death of the kids but failed to specify not to kill Elia. Thus he never ordered her death but her death did come about as the result of his order.
this is what we've been missing out in 2022, 2 amazing actors exchanging words, some camera works and a room setup with certain themes. now all we got is diversity, 9 years old dialogues, cameraman doesn't know what they're doing, and u don't even know where they at because even tho they did traveled far, but the location all looks the same.
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"when soldier lack of dicipline, the fault lies with their commander" Tywin said to Tyrion
That’s our hypocrite! What a loveable guy.
Tywin was, above all, a hypocrite. He never cared about his family, only himself. He never cared who sat on the throne as long as he commands the king. He never cared about his son's whore, only how he perceived his image as a result, same with his children's affair. All he ever cared about was himself.
He learned from experience
@@spanishflea634Except he didn't learn. His whole shtick is that he's a massive hypocrite lol.
@@Ilivedbih A hypocrite still knows the lessons, even if they never learn or apply them internally. In this case. He knows the lesson he told Imp. He doesn't practice what he preaches because he uses the Cleganes like the dogs they have on their banner.
So Tywin basically said : "I ordered the hit, but not in that manner"
Yeah, but he's amoral it seems he doesn't give a damn what his men do as long as they get the mission done neutral evil is neutral.
No, he didn't say or imply that.
He said categorically though, which means he is saying he had absolutely no role in Elia’s death
@@TKize777 It’s part of the 9 alignment system. Imagine a chart with Good, Neutral, and Evil, intersecting with Lawful, Neutral, and Chaotic. Neutral Evil is an evil thing that does not follow a particular code, does not actively seek to sow chaos for shits and giggles, rather is completely self interested, no motives aside from what benefits them
@@TKize777except neutral evil is a thing. You have lawful, neutral, and chaotic evil just as you have good and lawful neutral, true neutral, and chaotic neutral. Learn your fucking alignment chart
I was pissed when Oberyn died. I fucking loved this guy.
He was cool af...but I still can't understand why tf he just became a loud cocky MF shouting at the crowd instead of landing the kill blow on the mountain 🤣🤣🤣 now your head is caved in and you still never got revenge for your sister
This describes half of the people in the show lol
Not to mention the way he died was absolutely idiotic. Nobody gets up from a beatin' like that. Nobody.
@@DarkMatterX1 have you ever been to a beating? 💀
And now he rarely takes his helmet off ;)
I love the fact that tywin started the interrogation but in the end he was the one who was interrogated.
Exactly how much pot do you think he did?
@@mgs_4k198 huh? 😂
@@justinpederson2217 I believe he’s referencing “The Office” where Dwight is interrogating the workers in the office because he found a joint in the parking lot, and when he interrogates Jim, Jim flips it around and starts interrogating Dwight lol
@@jtg8513 ohhhh I get it now. Makes that even better. 😂😂
@@jtg8513 I thought I was an office addict. That was such a vague reference with a very broad comment, and you still got it lol
Brilliant acting from both.
Brilliant actors* :)
@@Sirisma not really. i was adding to it, hence the ":)"
@@Sirisma * fare :))
@@sage3576 You didn't even "fix" or add anything to what OP said, your comment is literally irrelevant and unnecessary. You just wanted to be pedantic for the sake of it 🤓
@James Duncan literally no one cares bro lol
Pedro Pascal was a hidden gem. He had all these small roles and flourished during GoT. For a character who was only around for one season, he really stole our hearts.
definitely not hidden anymore :)
He stole mine definitely. He owns me.
He is still a 🐐
Yeah he burst
like all actors/musicians/whatever, if they kept their politics to themselves, they'd be a lot more likeable. but like all Hollywood, Pedro is a Libtard.
tywin talking to someone of the same wavelength is terrifying
No sugarcoating
Exactly 💯
He smacked the Queen of Thorns verbally. Dude's on a different level.
Exactly!
Coward
There is a book theory that Oberyn had already started to poison Tywin because he was complaining about bowel problems before his death. After Tyrion killed home on the privy, I do believe that the maester commented on his innards being black & smelling putrid
Wouldn't that just be a result of his body now being a decaying corpse?
@@isaiahgeorge906 yes, but the smell is mentioned multiple times in the books, If i recall..
@@isaiahgeorge906 your innards aren’t black or putrid immediately after death…he’s saying it was poison from someone
@@alyssondasilva4484 Yeah, it was emphasized heavily with Tywin. If it was just decomposing then that would also apply to every dead person in the Sept before him. But the emphasis on the stench meant it was very unusual and unexpected.
@@deathstalkerx4415 that and when pycelle was listing the poisons tyrion had confiscated from the grand maesters office, widows blood was the only poison we were given the symptoms of. Symptoms Tywin coincidently exhibits after Oberyns arrival to King's Landing.
The title: Tywin questions Oberyn
The reality: Oberyn questions Tywin
The actual reality: Tywin tries to question Oberyn but gets counter-questioned instead
Reality
His accent was foreign but the grammar and choice of words was even better than the descendants of the first men
dude it because most Dornish people was Half Rhoynar. Expecialy Member of house martell.
How many First Men have you been able to compare him too?
He’s a prince, of course his grammar is “better”.
@@josecalufele7786 He learn on Citadel get 6 Chain of Maester in short time & became 2nd jenius person on Citadel History after Lord Lyonel Strong first get 6 Maester chain in short time.
Because normal person need 30 year for collect 6 Maester chain.
Because that's his first language.
It is like comparing a person from U.S.A. to someone from Canada. Or someone from London to someone to Liverpool.
They speak the same Language just with different accents.
I love how he uses the word "categorically "
but did he give the order or not ? 🤔
@starwarsfan1919 The answer is inconsequential since they're all dead
@@starwarsfan-ye9hw he absolutely did. The mountain wouldn't have done something like that to someone that important without being told.
@@johnv6806 but why did he order that ?
@@starwarsfan-ye9hw im gonna butcher everyone's name but because elia's children where with reagar targarien so they would all have a claim to the throne. He had to eliminate any future threats to his families power.
“Categorically” that’s one of Tywin’s most bad ass replies.
Such a legendary character, even lying he could be badass.
it sounds intelligent but also seems like he is lying
I didn't find it badass, just infuriating lol
"when soldiers lack discipline, the fault lies on their commander" Tywin the hipocritical clown 😂
@@ericmaya3657 you're comparing a sack of a city, to a generic battle lmao, he had the intention of a sacking, not discipline
Oberyn basically told Tywin he would kill him if he could get away with it.
It'd be silly to act otherwise - men half as bright as Tywin would immediately suspect him if he acted as if a loyal _something_ or whatever.
Its very likely oberyn did kill him. Its believed that tywin had already been poisoned when his son shot him with the crossbow.
@@johnv6806 source: my ass
@@vengeancegauloise6049 Book
Poetic justice
Tywin is nervous in this scene. He’s fidgety and he blinks WAY more than usual and gives away that he’s lying, which Oberyn notices.
Simply put.. Tywin ordered the mountain to kill Rhegar’s heirs. The kids.
Tywin did not order the mountain to kill Princess Elia Martell.
The issue is that Tywin didn’t care what the mountain did. This is part of the reason everyone in Westeros feared Tywin
God I love Charles Dance, the presence he can bring to any role, no matter who he is playing
He's a freaking legend. Master at his craft.
It was hard watching him and Nick in Against the Ice and not think of my lions :c
The drug dealer of the house!
He’s great as emhyr from the witcher
One of the first badass evil rules I ever saw him in was when he played the bad guy/demon in the movie The Golden Child! And even though I remember his name from the movie don't ask me to spell it on here.😅
“Categorically” Basically I said bring them to the king, but I sent my two most sadistic men to do it and didn’t exactly say be gentle about it
Methinks you don't know what categorically means. His response doesn't mean "not exactly" or "not in the way you think". His response means "I had absolutely nothing to do with it in any way."
@@ijuhi Categorically - in a way that is unambiguously explicit and direct
Huh no kidding, I thought it just meant he had nothing to do with how the murder went down
@@ijuhi Language is more than the explicit meanings of words used. K
@@ijuhi
He ordered it bro.
@@ijuhiAnd that could still be true if he used that word. If he said capture and bring her to me, she resists, and then The Mountain rapes, and murders her, Tywin had nothing to do with that. That would be totally on The Mountain.
God I loved interactions Tywin has, such a commanding presence in every scene
Mr. Dance truly is an outstanding craftman
Yup favorite character of the whole show
Overyn, the man who made Tywin second guess himself
Oberyn*
@@Tomboyy9818oburntin
Back when the writing and characterization were still good and consistent. Tywin admits no guilt, so the only punishment for him and the Mountain would be Karmic....I wonder what karma the Red Viper was carrying.
Karma doesn't exist
@@deusvult6920 you are talking in a fantasy world
Imagine if they waited on GRR Martin to write the last 4 episodes. We'd be freaking out about that. At least it's been through this incarnation. You just can't compare 1-4 & 5-8. Its sad but someone had to finish the damn thing in time to film it. I try to think of it as two stories, told from different perspectives, as the og writer did, with new twists from D.B. and Dan.
The cinematography in 5-8 got consistently better. The Battle of the Bastards had some of the most beautiful shots of war horses in full charge and the suffocating atmosphere of the death pile.
While I don’t necessarily like the karma concept applied here, the red viper was drunk on revenge and pride. He made sure the mountain would never die quickly by choosing poison, and celebrated taking him down too early. I guess that’s his punishment. I remember reading this and crying lol like why him out of all people, absolutely favourite character
Pedro Pascal is amazing, from got, to Narcos, Mandalorian, and now the last of us
And the equalizer.
And he mourned the death of a gRapist
@@browngone1782 You died?
@@browngone1782 Who?
@@mustlovebooknerd look up the people that the Hero Kyle Rittenhouse defended himself from
The scenes between these two were some of the best in the show.
Charles Dance and Pedro Pascal were the BEST casting choices in the whole show. Absolutely perfect for their roles :)
Olenna
Two men with ASMR level voice aggh, could listen to them endlessly
His desire to get evidence of Tywin's involvement was too strong, and made him reckless. It's tragic.
yes. His desire to have the Mountain or Tywin confess the planning of the murder of his sister and her children was Oberyn's downfall. He planned the whole fight around this. He was so superior to the Mountain that he could play with him - by that he was sure. And then he got a bit too reckless and died horribly for it. Still, I fully can understand his reasoning.
Oberyn was a man who was very passionate about everything he did and he got killed because of his passion to avenge his sister
Mandatory the dialogue was so good back then
Some damn good writing in these comment sections 😅
“You poisoned my grandson”
“This is the way”
*What I love about Oberyn is that he seems like a kind of clumsy man who just likes to drink and have a good time, when in fact he's calm, funny, smart, fierce, meticulous with his words and his actions. He died at the hands of The Mountain because of a mistake, but, for me at least, he remains the strongest warrior on Game of Thrones.*
We never saw Jaime at full flight. At the battle before he was captured by Robb he was single handedly mowing down dozens of soldiers according to the books and we got nothing in the show. It would've been a hell of a sight to witness a fighter truly above everyone else.
@@canchero724 good point. In the books Jaime even says that he could defeat The Mountain with agility, strategy, leaving him tired. But Jaime doesn't know Oberyn's skill, and the Red Viper is known to be virtually unstoppable. It would be an incredible battle between them two. But I think Oberyn would win because of the spear reach advantage.
@@calebesagaz5226 also, he uses poisons. One tuny cut, and you're already dead...even if you win, you lose.
Mortal kombat
@@calebesagaz5226beryn isn't a fighter knights r used to. Spears rnt used in duels, they r meant to be lined up in war to make a wall. this itself will throw off a lot of people.
This actor is very handsome, especially when he smiles, those dimples and his eyes.
Not sure which one you're talking about, since those apply to both Charles Dance AND Pedro Pascal 😂
@@inkeriananas ? The actor that was laying across the bed smiling with dimples, Saying why haven't you threw me in a dugeon
One of the few people who can go toe to toe conversationally with Tywin. Beautiful scene.
This show needed more interaction between these two fantastic actors
God damn. They were both SO freaking good in thier respective roles!
An incredible show with two incredible actors. Gods, the dialogue was strong back then.
I love this conversation. No reading between the lines. Everything is crystal clear. I wish my everyday conversations were like that.
It‘s these kind of dialogues, what makes GoT unique.
Pedro Pascal KILLED this role.😊
Tywin never told the mountain to do it because Tywin permitted it through inaction. Standard procedure for bad leaders.
If you ever end up in a situation where your boss tells you to do something seemingly impossible without any help or guidance and refuses to approve any ideas you have and then sends you on your way, it means they want you to lie to them so that if it doesn't work you take the fall and if it succeeds they still get credit. I saw a manager of mine do that constantly and they got promoted after a few years.
Tywin admitted in the book it was carelessness on his part that killed elia martell😂 apparently he told armory lorch and the mountain to kill the children they killed elia martell because he never told them not to he actually wanted to negotiate peace with dorne using elia
Dialogue and scene writing in the earlier scenes hit different
Oberyn was great. Needed more of that character. One of the most brutal deaths in the show
Charles Dance is such an under appreciated actor. The man can play a villain so well.
Two powerhouses of acting. I loved this episode.
No death made me more sad than Oberyn's death.
I'm obsessed with Tywin's "what did you discuss :)🙄"
so am I, the second one, that is
People dont realize oberyn actually killed both tywin n the moutain.. moutain just became a zombie n tyrion killed tywin as the posion started taking its affect on him…
Huh? I'm pretty sure the arrow puncturing tywins vitals would've killed him regardless.
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 he might not have been in a vulnerable position
Charles Dance was absolutely perfect for this role.
I love how differently each of these actors brings charisma and deadliness to his character.
Oberyn Martell, the most badass man in the entire Westeros.
Was the most BADASS man in Westeros in Season 3
That title goes to the Hound
@@Crusher888Arthur Dayne*
The best part of this is that Tywin sets up Oberyn to fight The Mountain, knowing full well that either The Mountain will be strong enough to kill him and get the "thorn" out of his side or he fails and Oberyn is content having known he's avenged his sister. Either way he wins
No he doesn't. Tywin wasn't ever expecting that to happen. He wanted Tyrion to confess. He never wanted a trial by combat and hated the fact that it was Oberyn bc he knew he'd have problems with Dorne if he died.
huge reach
oberyn would expicitly not be satisfied with just the mountain dead.
Two of the most cunning and tenacious personalities in GOT. It was a pleasure and honor to enjoy them both.
"Categorically." Great scene! Charles Dance and Pedro Pascal are absolutely excellent.
Oberyn basically looked at Tywin like: "I can bring you in warm or I can bring you in cold."
Charles dance owns every scene he was in.
Pedro Pascal was born to play Oberyn Martell. Can’t wait to see his character in the books.
Those two are so good together.
Oberyn was such a fantastic character played by an equally fantastic actor. I wish he had gotten his revenge and/or lasted longer in the show.
He is being questioned for murder. Instead of being fearful or concerned, he turns it around and puts the focus on his questioner.
Pedro just makes roles BETTER
Why are both of them such good actors 🥰🥰🥰
This meant everything. To his character. His family. His kingdom. It was everything.
I don’t like when people say he got himself killed for nothing.
Man these two were so great together, I'd love to see them again in some other setting. Maybe that 40K series on Amazon, a man can dream...
I like his attitude why don't they make a special web series on him like red viper
“Categorically” 🥶
They are both soooooo beautiful in their own ways.
I wish there was more time with just Oberyn and Tywin . The dialogue between them it’s always so intriguing.
Bro pulled the Uno Reverse card on the interrogation
*When I first read the third book and Oberyn was winning the battle against the Mountain, I could have sworn Oberyn would throw his spear at Twyin, killing him in front of everyone.*
Oberyn was my favorite character.
Best season by FAR. This scene alone was better than seasons 7 & 8 combined.
I didn't feel so sad for book Oberyn but man, i would kill for show oberyn, pedro pascal fucking nailed it
This scene has forever changed how I hear the term “categorically”
Pedro pascal is good in everything.
Him in a show or movie is often a sign it's going to be good.
God Oberyn was a badass character. We didn't get anough episodes with him
Amazing story, I hope the young big foot made it out alright. Hopefully, she’s still around.
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Well she married the chupacabra in an arranged marriage, but that's westeros for you.
Got never recovered after his death.
I literally stopped watching after his death. He was the only thing keeping me watching the show with the dragons if I'm being honest
My god, none of us knew at the time just how huge this man’s career was gonna blow up.
The way he blinked twice when he said *Categorically* means that he lies, he ordered it all.
He didn’t though not on her but he did on her kids
@@randycrawford1132 nah. Tywin is a man obsessed with brutality and fear, just look at how he treated the Raynes, and Tysha, and how he has his men do the exact same shit in the riverlands during the war of the 5 kings. He rules explicitly through fear and makes sure that threats to him and his power aren't just defeated, but that they die in the most brutal and savage ways he and his men can devise.
@@krishan8735 Doesn't make much sense for him to order Elia's murder. Her connection to the Targaryen regime was through marriage, not blood, she wouldn't be able to contest Robert for the throne. Her children were dangers to Roberts crown and it made sense why Tywin disposed of them. But Elia's death just caused a needless blood feud between the Lannisters and Martells. The situation with the Reynes and Tarbecks was different. They were bannerman to the Lannisters and they had initially rebelled against their Leige Lord. Tywin had put them down and would of faced no repercussions for his decision. Additionally, all the reynes were in the Westerlands and he destroyed them all in their seat of power, Castamere. The Martells are a house (on paper) on par with House Lannister (being direct vassals of the King). He also had no plans to kill the other Martells and displace them of their position and I very much doubt he could. So killing Elia Martell would of only made the other Martells pissed whilst gaining nothing from it.
What likely happened was that Tywin ordered the death of the kids and did not directly tell Gregor Clegane to not kill Elia. In Gregors insane lust for murder he killed her as well.
@@amanimckenzie32 you make a good point about Elia not being to the Targereyn's anymore, but I still think he'd ordered the murder of Elia. And the reason is, just look at the red wedding. He specifically made a point of going after Catelyn, and in the show, Robs wife. And again, I'd just site Tysha. His brutality and fear mongering is specifically to make a point. To intimate and to terrify people into obeying the lannisters.
This goes all the way back to his childhood, with his father. Tytos was a man nobody respected. People laughed to his face, and blatantly took advantage of him, and humiliated him left right and centre. And the thing Tywin hated most, is when Tytos married a common woman. He saw this as such shame upon the name of Lannisters, and so to make up for this, when his father died, he had the woman stripped, beaten and walked naked out on the streets to show the world how beneath the Lannisters she was. This is how Tywin is, he rules specifically through brutality and fear because deep down, he's deeply insecure, and massively wants the world to see him and his family as undeniably above them. Hence why he is SO brutal, killing the Raynes even after they surrendered (and writes a song about this to inspire more fear, no less), having his men raid and rape in the riverlands during the war of the 5 kings, the red wedding, Tysha, etc. And hell, it's telling that he tries to ensure that Oberyn in the dark about Elia, but makes barely effort at all with regards to anyone else. Do you really think it'd be hard for him to stop the rumors from spreading in the first place?
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If I recall correctly he said to Tyrion he ordered the children's deaths but not hers.
I think Joanna was also close friends with the Martells so Tywin had no reason to basically get them as enemies because of the Mountain.
Tywin needed to show his new King his allegiance. Wouldn't the alive Elia and her young children be a better offering than dead? Robert could choose what he wanted to deal with them. Tywin knew this too.
I believe the mountain acted out of order.
Yes and no. Tywin likely ordered the kids killed but Elia to be spared. Then the Mountain went full Mountain.
Tywin came to question Oberyn but it went the other way round😂
It truly felt like two brilliant men in a full blown contest of wits
Pedro Pascal is damn good
Оберин лучший персонаж. Красивый, харизматичный, умный. Эту роль никто бы не исполнил лучше чем этот актёр. Очень приятный мужчина! Я даже плакала когда его убили 😭
Я предвидела, что так и кончится его история. Не могли просто так наказать Тайвина Ланистера. Было бы глупо.
Очень жаль, что Оберин так мало задержался на экранах 😢😢
The ice cold delivery of that straight faced single worded lie was perfect.
Tywin Lannister was played so well i cant think of anyone else to play it....
An extremely interesting exchange between these two characters and great actors! Tywin got what he had coming although his character did show threads of some decent humanity(the Arya exchanges). Oberyn's death was needless and unlikeable.The Mountain with all his power and girth was no match for Oberyn in combat.Oberyn was killed because his overwhelming passion consumed his reasoning at an essential moment
If the Princess Bride was ever remade, Pedro Pascal would be perfect as Inigo Montoya.
Did you watch the Zoom version w/ multiple actors doing short scenes from their own homes during the pandemic lockdown? 😅
Never has anyone said "categorically' with such grace
I like how Oberyn turned the interrogation to Tywin
God's, the writing was strong then!!
In my personal headcanon Tywin wanted them alive to present to Robert
Knowing Robert in his temper would kill them himself, putting over a strong case to have him removed from power as soon as he has an heir with Cercei, allowing Tywin to rule again as hand of the king
The mountain going against his orders would be a greater shame to Tywin than having people think of him as a butcher
No he order The Mountain and another guy to kill the kids but The Mountain decided to kill her and rape her
The claim from Book Tywin to Tyrion is that he ordered the children’s deaths to show commitment to Robert but not Elia’s. That Amery Lorch & the Mountain got too enthused basically
This could be a lie but is worth mentioning
2 of the best actors in the show
Pedro just plays cool characters.
I mean Oberyn helped capture Pablo Escobar
Hot take: if we're ever going to remake Princess Bride, we need to do it *tomorrow* before Pedro Pascal stops naturally being the person that Mandy Patinkin was pretending to be.
For now, watch the version done over Zoom by multiple actors in their own homes during the pandemic lockdown. 😅
The way he categorically says "categorically". Every scene with Twyin was a masterpiece.
And the legend of Pascal was born with this role... he had many small ones before this but his star was set ablaze after Oberyn.
The inflection at the end of catagorically changes the meaning. Its no longer 'definitly with out catagories"' and becomes "with some catagories reserved".
Thank you. Most likely he absolutely ordered the death of the kids but failed to specify not to kill Elia.
Thus he never ordered her death but her death did come about as the result of his order.
this is what we've been missing out in 2022, 2 amazing actors exchanging words, some camera works and a room setup with certain themes.
now all we got is diversity, 9 years old dialogues, cameraman doesn't know what they're doing, and u don't even know where they at because even tho they did traveled far, but the location all looks the same.
What does diversity mean
Gos this guy is a BADASS! He radiates a dangerous calm a causally lethal energy
brilliant scene
Pedro Pascals best Role to this day
Tywin never said he didnt
He denied it categorically tho
@@neontime8507 in the most indirect way possible
@@runtergerutscht4401 categorically means direct
@@neontime8507 yes, the statement and the way he states it are contradictory
@@runtergerutscht4401 Denying something categorically is very direct.
I never believed Tywin