I've learned the hard way that in life there are times where even if you act with the best of intentions. There's always someone out there who will treat you like you are a POS scumbag. I've lost some faith in humanity from the few times of experiencing this.
@@Grimm_Entertainment well I mean if your boss banged your girl, also paid tons of people to banged your previous girl and condemned you to die i probably kill him too.
No, no, no. No. Both competence and relationship w the boss matter. How do you not see that in this drama. Does Tywin suffer a single fool in power under him?
@@RedVelvetBlackleather she figured out viserion was wounded if not dead based on just the other 2 dragons arriving the dothraki & unsullied but not him and thats just 1 thing
Fun fact: Charles Dance was so appalled by Tywin's treatment towards Tyrion that he kept apologizing to Peter Dinklage, between takes, for all the horrible things he told him while acting.
Dinklage kind of deserves all those horrible things said to him. He climbed the ladder as a little person in Hollywood, then pulled it up behind him so he'd be the only little person in Hollywood.
Hatred? Such cold clear.disdain can't possibly be for the hated. But the dissapointement? That tyrion is not tywin. But worse. He is tywins father in a body that suits tywins fathers form.(in tywins mind. A jester. A clown. An imp of a man) He is tywins father remade. A reminder of everything tywin isn't without Joanna. And because of him (tyrion) he (tywin) is without Joanna. The living memory of your only joy and greatest horror both.
Yes he hated him but not just for being a dwarf. I genuinely think he could have got over that. What must annoyed him I feel was he was a rebel, never wanted to do what his father said. He partied hard and enjoyed women and attention. He was known throughout the kingdoms as the half man but also as a drunk and whore lover. Which I'm sure for a man like tywin was much worse to hear than jokes about his dwarfism. Tywin could ignore jokes about his twins incest, but the drunk and whore lover with the sharp tongue most upset him. Tywin was a bad father but tyrion loved being a problem too
@X What? probably as a reward or that he also is a whore lover in secret, this suggests that one of the reasons tywin hated tyrion was because tyrion had characteristics he held and was secretly ashamed of whilst his son could do it without a care in the world
@@hollywoodshopaholic nobody makes the choice to "come into the world." The risks that come with childbirth are totally on the parents. Tyrion could actually be more justified in blaming his parents for creating him (as a dwarf). So not only is his statement cruel, it's just completely wrongheaded.
3:37 - 4:35 has got to be one of the most brutal and cruel sets of lines ever spoken on screen; you barely have time to breathe or process before he delivers the next insult. There's not even a hint of comedic relief to find here, just pure and uninterrupted verbal annihilation, and so beautifully delivered by Charles Dance.
It's tough love. I don't think he actually hated Tyrion, he was just tired of Tyrion's BS. Wasting the crown's money on getting drunk with strangers, and sleeping with random women in Brothels instead of making a name for himself and helping Twyin's legacy and family name. He was just disappointed, and angry at Tyrion's actions. He still loved him though.
@@thamayor6324 I still don't think Twyin hated Tyrion in the show (never read the books so not sure how he was treated) but in the show it seemed like Twyin was more frustrated and disappointed in Tyrion but still loved him. And he just wanted to point out Tyrion's flaws instead of acting like a proper Lannister, he was drinking and partying. He wanted Tyrion to grow up. Not be a child. But still loved him
@@Zybezane I've read the books and I'm sure of two things. One Tyrion is not his son. Two tywin hated that he killed his wife and that he does EVERYTHING to disgusting excess.
I think the conversation was good at the beginning of the show, because they have true conversation. After season 4, the dialogue seem like combat of who have the most fine word, who have the last word... (I don't know if it's the correct explanation in english, so in french I will say "un duel de répartie, un duel de bons mots" )
As a fun fact that might reinforce this scene. Tywin had a favorite sister, one of the few people that could make him smile after his wife died and she was also Tyrion's favorite aunt. However when she once remarked to Tywin how similar Tyrion was to him in how capable and smart he was, Tywin became so angry that he didn't spoke to her in years after that. I think this scene really captures their relationship perfectly. Also an interesting contrast that both Tywin and Tyrion had the same favorite sister/aunt showing how similar they were which was reinforced by Shae lying on Tyiwin's bed in the end. PS: I think this aunt is mentioned in the show as the "fat Lannister", the mother of the Lannister that shared a cell with Jaime.
In the books the brothel Tyrion visits has a secret passage built by a previous Hand of the King. Fan theory believes it was Tywin who would never want it to be known he goes.
Not too much in common of course, as Tyrion's favorite uncle was Gerion, who Tywin resented for his jovial nature and kindness to Tyrion. I don't recall if the book ever discusses Tywin's feelings regarding the man after his death though. Maybe he respected him somewhat for his desire to see Brightroar reclaimed, or maybe he thought him just a suicidal fool, prancing in the mists of doomed Valyria for a lost sword and a petty token of honor.
2:52 Love the way Tywin swallows his rage, offers Tyrion a diplomatic compromise, then lashes out at him. Says so much about their relationship. Even the way the shots are framed in this scene makes it seem like both characters are staring into a warped mirror, each seeing in the other parts of themselves which they despise.
And that is why Tywin hates him, everything that Tyrion is he wants for Jaimie, bit Jaimie is a weirdo who sleeps with his sister and allows her to manipulate him. Theon pretty much had the same issue, and it cost him his manhood.
I think if Joanna Lannister had lived, it would have been much different. The dwarf thing is a small issue(lol), but the death of the wife/mother is the main catalyst for Tywin and Cersei hating Tyrion so much. There were also theories that Tyrion was the son of Aerys II and not Tywin, which made a lot of sense if you read info from the books.
I love how Tywin mentions his father (Tytos Lannister), then immediately mentions his father's father (Gerold Lannister). Tytos was hated by Tywin. Tytos used to "waddle about" being laughed at by the members of other houses, as Tytos threw his money around, spending it on wine and prostitutes, and Tywin mentions with Arya in S2 that Tytos "nearly destroyed our house and name." The exact same things that Tywin is accusing Tyrion of doing. He sees Tyrion as his Tytos, but in a body more suited to his behaviour in life. Tytos' father, Gerold Lannister, known as Gerold the Golden was, on the other hand, known to be exceptionally smart, quick-witted, and a very capable lord who massively increased the wealth of House Lannister. A man who was greatly respected by Tywin. Kind of funny how he immediately mentions "his father before him" after mentioning Tytos.
Ironically, Tyrion was not born being into drinking and whoring. He only did it as a coping mechanism against Tywin's abuse ever since he was aware of his surroundings. Tywin went on and on about the family legacy, but he's the one who ultimately led to its demise.
Gerold Lannister also supposedly murdered both his brother and his niece to get Casterly Rock. If Tywin went back any further than his own grandfather, he'd have to break the line of descent and acknowledge that "low cunning" has always been what the Lannisters are best at.
Because as trash as his grandfather and father were he still valued his last name, Lannister. He valued what it meant and hated what his recent ancestors had done to that name. But it doesn't diminish his respect for them bearing that name. Such a great character
@@xshadionytpx7891 Nah he wouldve gone to the North to have the Night King married Cersei so they could crush the Starks and Targaryens. Which would kill him cause the Night King is what he is
I love the way Tyrion is so hurt he doesn’t even wait for Tywin to finish before he turns and finishes walking away. Such a moving scene, damn near moves me to tears.
"And I would let myself be consumed by maggots before mocking the family name by making you heir to Casterly Rock." This scene actually makes me cry lol. Tyrion really wanted his father to love him and be proud of him and treat him with respect. That's what he's really asking for in this scene, he literally proved himself in battle, as a family Tyrion and Tywin won the Battle of Blackwater together. Yet Tywin is as hateful and condescending as ever. Had Tywin been able to love and respect Tyrion their house name would have lived on like he so desperately wanted. (btw I love Tywin as a character and Charles Dance is amazing, just his character is an awful father/person)
Tywin would have probably killed for a ruthless “devote” succesor like stannis, instead of someone out the box yet unlawful and prone to mockery. For someone that creates his power structure from fear or respect he’s practically his nemesis.
Tywin was a smart man - one of the smartest in all Westeros. Unfortunately, he couldn't get past his hate and shame for Tyrion, even when he recognized how capable Tyrion was. As a real team, they would have been virtually unstoppable.
The thing I love about this show is that characters face the consequences of their OWN actions, rather than their enemy's. It wasn't betrayal of his own king or the cruelty of the red wedding that killed him. It was being a hypocrite to himself by believing "family is everything" yet hating Tyrion that killed him.
Tywin is a real tragic shakespearian protagonist. He was one of the strongest lords of his time and laid great foundations for his family's future. And then his wife died and the grief changed him and then turned into hatred against the son his wife died trying to bring into the world, which ultimately leads to his doom at the hands of the child he never loved, ironically the most promising of the three and the best-suited to take the family name.
@@TyTimeIsAwesome maybe, maybe Robb just wouldn't have been alive because they would always scheme against him and kill him somehow. Anyhow, Robb is definitely outmatched in terms of political skills and smarts so he'd have to rely on his advisors. He'd definitely "win the battle but lose the war" but maybe Jon would maybe have his back there, hard to say. They definitely stand a chance, anyway.
4:43 Never noticed it until now but as Tywin talks, Tyrion just nods midway through and continues walking, not staying or dramatically staring at his father while he speaks. He had enough of his shit, just the same thing he’s heard since birth.
Tywin Lannister was such a hypocrite, presenting himself as a man of honor and respectability, all about following the law and proper etiquette, while condemning Tyrion for his hedonistic lifestyle, but in the same time engaging in an extramarital affair with Shae.
It is actually kinda funny. In the books, Tyrion uses a certain tunel said to have been built by a previous hand of the king with the intuit of having affairs with whores without it becoming public, and is very much hinted that said hand was Tywin.
Tywin's issue was never the fucking and drinking - his issue was that Tyrion *_let it be known._* It's about *_reputation._* He still would have hated Tyrion, but less so if he'd been discreet.
@@JamesJNothingIsTooSensitiveyes this! Most honor-bound societies expect people to act in a high brow way publicly, regardless of their actions behind closed doors. Tyrion, by contrast, openly enjoyed "playing the court jester," whether that be publicly dating prostitutes, pointlessly antagonizing and challenging the king, having scoundrels like Bronn at court, etc. Tyrion, by medieval standards (and by most public political standards), would rightly be seen as a personal and family embarrassment.
That was the most cruel, cold-hearted and sadistic statement to throw into the face of your own son. Completely barren of all emotions, but resentment.
i think the scene where he sentences him to death or the scene where he tells tyrion of the last time he did something for the family not himself where at least as cruel and cold hearted as this one
to be fair... Tyrion DID bring a whore the the capital right after Tywin told him not to, he got the justification for his hatred even more because Tyrion fucked up.
What does he want from Tyrion. He always treated him like shit and didn't care about him or his life. Just the name he bares matters only reason he makes any effort to hide his disdain
@@legion160 I don't see any trouble in defence of kings landing because of Shae during the battle....I don't know why people defend Tywin for being cruel to Tyrion. It's like they forgot that Tywin was Tyrion's father...And as father you love your children.
@@legion160 That's still not fair. Tywin would have came to KL with a dead daughter, grandchildren and a vacated throne where it not for Tyrion, a damn dwarf leading the defense of Kings Landing and he knew that. Truth be told we watched Tyrion personally kill more people than Tywin has at this point in his career. Tywin just couldnt stand the fact that he knew Tyrion deserved what he was asking for and even more.
In the books Tywin's contempt for Tyrion makes a bit more sense as Tyrion is a far less heroic figure. He's more like Tywin with an even greater perchant for manipulating his own family. In the books Tywin's words about Tyrion being a "spiteful creature" make more sense as Tyrion is a more dastardky schemer who takes the fate of his family into his own gambles and Tywin - whome family and reputation are everything - is absolutely appalled by this.
except there is no need for his hatred on screen. this tyrion is not the tyrion in the book. so there is no understanding why he treats tyrion the way he does expect for shame and really not knowing if tyrion is his son. there were no DNA test back then. By the way tyrion's whoring and drinking was based on being rejected and laughed at. Tywin got it in the end from the one who deserved to do him in.
@@kcorpora1 But the screen only showed a small part of , none of Tyrions antics growing up, but either way what's shown and told is enough for Tywins hatred
@@gyula47236 again Tywin hated him because his wife died from tyrions birth. Also born a dwarf! So whatever antics he did was based on him lashing out based on how he was treated. That is obvious to a blind person.
@@kcorpora1 in the books Tyrion acts in a more vilainous way, he threatens to hurt Tommen if Cersei hurts his hooker friend ( deep down he doesn't want to hurt Tommen but he makes Cersei believe he will), he also almost breaks Cersei's arm while threatening her. In the books it's one of the reasons Tywin gets extremely angry at Tyrion in this scene. In the books Tywin also hates Tyrion because he reminds him of his father and of his own insecurities.
It's ironic as Tywin was obsessed with family legacy and the bloodline moving on but the only way the bloodline moves on now is through Tyrion, who he hated the most
Jeremy Terkelsen That made the scene for me. This is such a real depiction of a father’s contempt for his son and the son’s powerlessness in the presence of his father that it’s painful to watch.
Opamigaaa It’s because he turns away *during* Tywin’s last remark instead of afterwards that makes it realistic, not the fact that he just turned away.
Tyrion rose on unsteady legs, closed his eyes for an instant as a wave of dizziness washed over him, and took a shaky step toward the door. Later, he would reflect that he should have taken a second, and then a third. Instead he turned. “What do I want, you ask? I’ll tell you what I want. I want what is mine by rights. I want Casterly Rock.” His father’s mouth grew hard. “Your brother’s birthright?” "The knights of the Kingsguard are forbidden to marry, to father children, and to hold land, you know that as well as I. The day Jaime put on that white cloak, he gave up his claim to Casterly Rock, but never once have you acknowledged it. It’s past time. I want you to stand up before the realm and proclaim that I am your son and your lawful heir.” Lord Tywin’s eyes were a pale green flecked with gold, as luminous as they were merciless. “Casterly Rock,”he declared in a flat cold dead tone. And then, “Never.” The word hung between them, huge, sharp, poisoned. I knew the answer before I asked, Tyrion said. Eighteen years since Jaime joined the Kingsguard, and I never once raised the issue. I must have known. I must always have known. “Why?” he made himself ask, though he knew he would rue the question. “You ask that? You, who killed your mother to come into the world? You are an ill-made, devious, disobedient, spiteful little creature full of envy, lust, and low cunning. Men’s laws give you the right to bear my name and display my colors, since I cannot prove that you are not mine. To teach me humility, the gods have condemned me to watch you waddle about wearing that proud lion that was my father’s sigil and his father’s before him. But neither gods nor men shall ever compel me to let you turn Casterly Rock into your whorehouse.” -Tyrion A Storm of Swords
@@germanandres24 True but I feel like the writing for Tyrion's character is so good another actor might've been able to pull it off. Maybe not as well as Peter but still. Tywin's character has an unspoken air to him that makes him dominate other characters without saying anything. Charles was made for this role.
@@yilmazh3127 Nobody couldve played tyrion better imo. Tyrion on trial is probably thw best acted scene ive ever seen. GoT had a near perfect cast, especially considering mosf of the actors nobody knew prior to the show. Hopefully House of Deagons is just as good
The way Tyrion asks “why?” is just genius acting. Feels like, as well as genuinely asking why, he’s questioning why his father is so relentlessly cruel and disrespectful to him, not just in this instance but his throughout his entire life
@Nogent Sounds like Dinklage captured that perfectly then. I’m reading the books now and it’s become clear how many of the genius dialogues are taken straight from them, props to the actors for some of the amazing deliveries of course but as Charles Dance said I believe, with the GOT script the actors didn’t have to try and make a “purse out of a pigs ear”
@@tastycattoast8708 I'm listening to the audiobook of AGoT and hearing many of the exact same dialogues that made the show so memorable without the special touch the actors gave them. Not that there's anything wrong with Roy Dotrice's narration, but it just doesn't have the same spark as the GoT performances, and it shows you just how much life a good actor can bring to a part.
I think he always knew the answer to “why?”, but I think it was just an exhausted reaction that just slips out of him. The fact that no matter how much he tries to be in his father’s good graces he will never earn his respect and will always hold a grudge against him for killing his mother (even though it wasn’t his fault, had no control over it and didn't ask to be born, something only Jaime seems to understand) and hates him for being an embarrassment because of his dwarfism
I have to say the political storylines in seasons 1-4 were the best part of the show. I anticipated seeing Tywin, Varys, Littlefinger, and even Tyrion, using their political prowess.
kuledinho Lol .. Tywin is not cold at all. He is extremely prideful and he lets his emotions cloud his decisions more than some times. Roose Bolton is what you call as a cold man with no emotions whatsoever.
+Siran424 agreed tywin is a product mix of pride and coldness specially towards his children. when tywin wanted something from someone of power he becomes fairly soft tongue. roose bolton is pure coldness. no emotion no feeling. His coldness is best described in the scene where he tells his son Ramsey about his mother.
@@siran424 Dude he literally had his sons first love gang raped then made Tyrion do it last. That in its self is sick and cold beyondmeasure in itself then he wiped out two whole noble houses Women and Children had them drowned. The guy is truly a monster like a crueler medieval Augustus Caesar. Lets also not forget the murder of both the Prince and Princess ordered by Tywin during the rebellion and the cruel remarks he makes to Tyrion. Also the cluster fuck that is Cersei and Jaime can also be partially be thrown at Tywin's coldness. Guys a gifted individual but he's as cruel and cold. Closest character I can see in him is the Michael Corleone from the Godfather if Michael ever chose to murder babies and be cruel to his deformed son.
My favorite bit is right at the end: Tyrion stops and turns to hear Tywin's last remark but as soon as he hears the word "whore" leave Tywin's mouth, he immediately turns in disgust and starts walking again. The little nod Tyrion gives too like "yup, of course it's one last barb on the way out". Always loved that little touch.
The way that last line is delivered and timed with the music is absolutely amazing. It expresses so much emotion. It was already such a tense scene yet somehow that part just made it feel so much more ominous and real
It’s so beyond good how this show portrays real conversations like this. It’s like Tyrion half expected something nice but then just nodded to himself like you do when you’re getting chewed out by a parent.
@@TJ-fe7rrRight, Tyrion threatening to beat and violate Tommen was fine and Tywin should not be angry. 🙄 They did say "in the books". From where the dialogue comes. Sorry to bust your TV bubble but noble Tyrion ain't a thing IN THE BOOKS.
@@KrolockTepes I've read the books dumbass. I know what Tyrion is like in the books and how exactly Tywin has treated him through the years. Tyrion tried to help Joffrey and he's always tried to make his father proud, to no avail.
EkhidnaSkiz you are basically judging his character from a 21st century point of view ( im not saying you are wrong). but going back 200-1000 years back. A very powerful lord or king wouldrarely let his dwarf son or daughter be the heir if he has other sons.
Their relationship is the most interesting on the show. Tywin sees Tyrion's strategic abilities, leadership skills, and intelligence as right up there with his own, which is why he made him hand of the King, and he has deep conversations with him about running the kingdom more than any other character. Tyrion's is the only opinion other than his own that he gives any consideration to when it comes to matters of leadership. Yet the things that disgust him about Tyrion, specifically the way he chooses to live, is pretty much entirely due to Tywin never properly accepting him as his son and being disgusted by his existence.
Tywin has generally been a character I couldn’t come to hate due to his extreme intelligence and presence but this scene is an exception. Tyrion’s been looked down upon by the whole world, including his father and sister, for being a dwarf and ‘killing’ his mother, something he can’t control. This unfortunately happens in real life too, so many awful parents are biased against certain children for qualities and characteristics they can do nothing about
To teach me humility the gods have condemned me to watch u waddle about. The way he moves his head when he says waddle about. The disdain and half truths in his monologue are so vicious. Charles Dance is a savage.
Jerry Cregan Stark Mathurin I was referring to Tyrion killing his Mother, I think. That’s one way to look at it but a really twisted perspective. Not fair. As for what ur talking about, I don’t know. I never read the books and wasn’t that into the show.
No matter how many times I watch this...this scene still gives me chills. I dont understand how D&D became so disconnected with what made this show amazing in the first place. Any show or movie can up the budget and raise the bar with battle scenes and CGI dragons, but this shows best moments are when two characters are face to face, talking in a room while drinking wine, with an epic soundtrack in the backround.
@@LPSven89D&D wrote many great scenes that weren't in the books. Don't rob them of their actual accomplishments. Managing to adapt ASOIAF in the first place was a feat all on its own.
@letthemadnessspeak You're clueless. There's a bunch of them. >Robert, Jaime and Barristan sharing war stories >Tywin telling Jamie about the value of power as he skins a deer >Arya serving as Tywin's cupbearer >Varys and Littlefinger interactions >Catlyn Stark telling the story about Jon as a baby >Arya and the hound fighting Lannister soldiers at the Inn >The entirety of Hardhome >Drogon clearing out the seige of Mereen >Battle of the Bastards >Cersei blowing up the sept I've probably missed some but they wrote a bunch of great original scenes that weren't in the books.
The most perfect part is when Tyrion walks off at the end. He turns to listen, realises immediately that he doesn't want to hear it and walks away. I've never seen anyone do that in a show before but it happens in real life when you hate someone but have to listen to them
Tywin knew this whole time he was talking to his only worthy successor, but his idiotic hatred prevented him from ever admitting it. He and Tyrion would have been unstoppable as a team.
I think thats you projectinf on Tywin. All Tywin sees is a disgusting little imp that he feels compelled but not honored to attach himself to. He never looked at Tyrion as a son and not even as an ally. Tyrion is a tool at the best of times and a liability the rest of the time. Tywin is not even convinced Tyrion is his biological son as he hints in this very scene. There is no quiet respect and understanding that people love to add in.
The acting in this scene is phenomenal. Peter Dinklage's expressions as the scene continues is a master class. From confidence, to confusion, to shame, to anger, to hatred, to emotionally checking out. The little nod he gives at the end like, "Yeah, whatever..." is just so on point. These two actors together during that time of the show, there was really nothing like it on television.
@@carloscortez6842 Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul or two of the greatest shows in modern television. But those shows are grounded in a real world mythology. There has never been a fantasy show that has equaled Game of Thrones at its zenith. Nothing with its budget; its cinematic grandeur; its effects; or its massive cast. Breaking Bad was an intimate show that focused on Walter White's exploits. The show revolved around him. Game of Thrones was an ensemble show with a slew of plotlines all going on at once. The notion that they are comparable in that respect is absurd. Game of Thrones stands alone that aspect. Game of Thrones wasn't able to do what Breaking Bad did within its wheelhouse, and Breaking Bad couldn't do what Game of Thrones did within its wheelhouse. Comparing the two would be like comparing Fellowship of the Ring with One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Both are exceptional in their own way, and both are exceptional primarily in ways the other isn't.
You forgot immense pain and hurt from the words coming out of his own father's mouth. But he'd be damned if he was going to let this cold hard loveless sonofab!tch see him cry.
That not looking at Tywin while he asks for Casterly Rock, that completely removes any need for suspension of disbelief, I really believe that Dinklage is Tyrion Lannister and acts like a person would act in that scenario. Masterclass by both actors!
Dialogues this season were, “She is my queen” and “I don’t want it. She is my queen”. Missed such intellectual discussions that were so much a signature of the show
It's so great how in one breath Tywin can diminish Tyrion's achievements by emphasising that he's a Lannister and his son, and then in the next, completely undercut what Tyrion being his son should mean. If Tywin actually treated him like a son, instead of just weaponising it against him, Tyrion wouldn't have turned out how he is.
Yeah. And this is because Tywin is an immature apathetic person who believes that admitting a mistake is weakness and who sees everything that is immoral, unfair and wrong in society as universal rules of life. Tywin thought so much about the family's political position that he ignored any of the family's needs.
Despite Tywin's great wisdom, his own stubborness blinded him to the fact that despite all of his whoring and joking, Tyrion is the only Lanister fit to replace Tywin. He may not have his stature, but he has proven time and again to have a wit equal to or beyond that of Tywin himselft.
i think tyrions even better because he can adapt really easy he finds out what everyone arounds him want so that he knows the players of the game and then he adapts his strategies. he would make the lannisters even more powerfull then they already are.
i think tyrions even better because he can adapt really easy he finds out what everyone arounds him want so that he knows the players of the game and then he adapts his strategies. he would make the lannisters even more powerfull then they already are.
I think this was the moment (if there was a single one) where Tyrion realized he could never mean anything to Tywin. As much as he liked jousting with his father, I think Tyrion had hope for gaining SOMETHING from him, even if just some grudging respect.
@@ispeakonlyfacts.3228 I don't know if I'd go that far. He had enough pride in his house and love for his wife to not drown Tyrion at birth, his (most likely) and the woman he loved's last son, even though he "killed" her. (Obviously not Tyrion's fault, but going off Tywin's logic.) While I think deep down, he has a grudging respect for Tyrion, it's too covered in his disappointment that it was Tyrion the dwarf that was most like him instead of Jaime or even Cersei, disappointment and embarrassment in his whoring and drinking, (which is probably some projecting and generational shame as we clearly see later that Tywin is not so above whoring as he claims and acts,) and grief turned hate for his wife to truly ever be considered love. I think Tywin is certainly capable of loving his family, as we see with him and Tommund, but there's just too much covering any possible love he may have for Tyrion to be even considered that anymore imo
Tywin didint like Tyrion. He was too obsessed with the image of house lannister. But desperate times gave in to desperate measures. He was ready to use Tyrion as long as it was necessary for the survival of the house. Once the future of the house was more or less secure, he didnt mind getting rid of him as long as the house itself was not hurt.
Tirions performance as Hand of the King did impress Tywin, at least somewhat. The problem was that due to Tirion's deformity, Tywin raised his expectations nearly to the ceiling. Tirion did cut back on whoring, limiting himself to a single courtesan, and he did cut down on drinking, and he rose to the challenge of being Hand of the King. However, Twyin probably was expecting little to no drinking, no whoring at all, and sole consumption of Tirion's time with his duties, as Tywin often is. An unrealistic expectation, honestly. Still, I'm not sure Tirion ever could have been "good enough" for Tywin.
The saddest and ironic about this scene is that Tyrion is the child that so like and closest to his father in talents and ability compared to his other siblings. Yet Tywin due to his hatred and loathing of Tyrion can never see that or praise him for it. Creating as lasting hatred between that will eventually cause Tywin's death.
Even without Tywin, the show got less and less interesting as all the characters started dying. Robert, Ned, the Tyrells, they all contributed. In Season 8 there were like 5 characters left.
I felt the show went down the moment Ned Stark was killed.. everyone else who came after him, even though as good as Charles Dance, felt like just a consolation for the viewing audience. Season 8 may be the worst season, but the show has become shit by Season 2. It should have been cancelled after season 1.
Has nothing to do with Game of Thrones riding and everything to do with the Song of Ice and Fire riding this scene is Straight From A Storm of Swords by George RR Martin he deserves all the credit
"In reality, Charles Dance was appalled and disgusted at Lord Tywin's treatment of his son, Tyrion. He remarked that it was extremely difficult for him to mistreat a genuinely nice man like Peter Dinklage. So Charles Dance kept apologizing to Dinklage between takes." . It proves that Peter Dinklage is really a man of honor. Besides, both are great actors indeed.
Well if that's the case then Mr dance deserves some type of award for his acting abilities. Some of these English actors are just... Dance just steals every scene that he's in with his closing monologues.
Killer Joe as much as I love Dance as an actor is GoT, I don’t think we can proclaim him top 10 or deserving of so many awards like some claim until the shows he’s capable of diverse acting. He has a large body of work throughout his career and yet is only known for 1 serious role. I think a lot of mainstream actors get overlooked simply for being mainstream that are better actors overall with a lot more diversity to their craft. (Denzel Washington, Tom Cruise, Matt Damon, Leonardo DiCaprio, etc.)
I think that shows disrespect to Peter Dinklage... If you aren't a mature and sensible enough actor to understand that you're ACTING as someone and it's a script, then that just makes you look like an idiot.
3:54. I just realised that Tywin hates Tyrion so much, that he would rather think that Joana cheated on him, than acknowledge that he is the father. Damn
Something I love about this series is just listening to the ambience of the scenes. The wine being poured into the cups, the faint animal sounds in the background, the scratching of Tywin's pen as he writes, footsteps in the stone corridors...in this world of unpleasantness, there's something so...calming about it all :)
If Tyrion's birth was intended to teach Tywin humility, the gods really dropped the ball on that one. Just as well plan B was to make sure Tyrion could shoot straight.
The writing and acting in this scene is so good. Just watch tyrions face when Tywin says that he killed his mother to come into the world. Just little facial gestures that make this world so much more beieveable
Tyrion never stood a chance. Even if he wasn't a dwarf, even if he was the epitome of virtue, Tyrion (in Tywin's eyes) killed the one woman he ever loved. That was unforgivable.
Interesting thought, he would definitely still be hated by Cersei because he killed their mother on his birth. Tywin would probably still harbor hatred for Tyrion or atleast in this initial stages of his childhood life. This hate/hatred from both his sister and father would probably lead him down the same path of whores and alcohol. Idk but his stature feels more like an accessory or add on to the fact that he killed his mother on his birth
Plus, Tywin having intercourse with Shane after she betrayed Tyrion felt more like a power move especially after Tyrion professed his love for her and Tywin being held at gun point. Even as he was being held at gun point, he didn’t care about calling Shane a whore. I remember some dialogue about a prank Tywin did to Tyrion when he was young. Tywin hired a whore to pretend to love and marry Tyrion. Both of these scenarios paint a story about Tywin never allowing Tyrion to have true love because he took his true love away from him.
Tyrion season 3 episode 1:I organized the defense of this city while you held court in the ruins of Harrenhal. I led the foray when the enemies were at the gate while your grandson, the king, quivered in fear behind the walls. I bled in the mud for our family. And as my reward, I was trundled off to some dark little cell. But what do I want? A little bloody gratitude would be a start. Tyrion season 8: I have balls and you don't hehe
Or: "When she murdered the slavers of Astapor, I’m sure no one but the slavers complained. After all, they were evil men. When she crucified hundreds of Meereenese nobles, who could argue? They were evil men. The Dothraki khals she burned alive? They would have done worse to her. Everywhere she goes, evil men die and we cheer her for it. And she grows more powerful and more sure that she is good and right. She believes her destiny is to build a better world for everyone. If you believed that, if you truly believed it, wouldn’t you kill whoever stood between you and paradise?"
@@darth856 The answer for that question is the difference between dany and Agon the dragon, jaehaerys the conciliator, tywin, tyrion. If you think that was good dialogue then dany was meant to be mad and if not this is the shittest thing I ever heard.
Possibly the most anger inducing scene in the show. Tyrion rounded up the known thieves, he organised the defence of the city and held it long enough for Tywin's reinforcements to come, he fought on the battlefield and rallied the men when both the Hound and King Joffrey ran, while Cersei sat in her chambers drinking wine before bringing Tommen to meekly commit suicide in fear of Stannis. Tywin says 'Jugglers and singers require applause' as if it's reserved for the lowly entertainment but that's why King Joffrey and co awarded 600 knighthoods in the post-battle ceremony? But Tyrion's above any praise for being the key component in saving the city, aside from the Tyrell-Lannister last minute alliance and Stannis' forces thinking Loras (not in the books but in the show) was Renly's ghost and being spooked into retreating. 'You are a Lannister', so you reserve that for being said when it means Tyrion is denied any recognition for his fantastic performance as Hand of the King and yet at the same time Tywin foams at the mouth at the very idea that his unwanted son was absolutely critical to saving all he held dear and doing so in the name of the family Tywin argues to love and support for the sake of it's dynasty. What an ego-maniacal piece of shit. People gloss over Tywin's atrocities and overemphasize any small thing Tyrion does because of Charles Dance's ridiculously awesome performance but make no mistake, Tywin is a narcissistic, hypocritical heap of shit and never more so than when denying the capabilities and position of Tyrion as the most useful Lannister child, followed by Jaime and then a deep gap to Cersei.
@Anjelica Snorcket Exactly. Eye for an eye. Tywin should have been proud given how malicious and focused on creating constant vendettas Cersei is. Tywin ravaged Castamere and forced Jaime to lie to Tyrion about Tysha before forcing Tyrion to have sex with her after she'd been forced to sleep with his guards. This sounds right up his alley.
@Anjelica Snorcket He happily ordered a plethora of his guards to sexually violate a young girl one after the other, manipulated Tyrion, his SON, through his other son Jaime, into thinking this young, sweet girl he'd married was a whore only interested in him for his riches and mentally abused Tyrion, forcing him into sleeping with this girl while the latter had been lied by Tywin into thinking she was nothing more than an uncaring whore and not the one person who ever loved Tyrion for who he is. And Tywin made damn sure to emotionally and physically damage her and Tyrion forever. The man is off his trolley, only short of true lunatics like Joffrey and Ramsey who can't even disguise their atrocities, unlike Tywin who hides it into the pretence of 'family' and 'legacy', which, given his behaviour and crimes, is a crock.
@Anjelica Snorcket I didn't say you hadn't. But I have as well. And how you could have read the books and yet still choose to remain oblivious to Tywin's egomaniacal, cruel behaviour even when I've referenced examples of his spite and low cunning even against the most useful member of his family, a family he constantly claims to be doing everything in his power to assure the legacy of, is beyond me. You might do with reading those books a few more times to actually get what's going on as this is day one stuff.
When Tywin says "And one more thing." Tyrion stops and faces him. But as soon as he hears the word "whore" he turns and continues walking, while his father is still talking. No need to hear the rest, he knows exactly what his father is going to say and that he's dead serious about it.
I was actually upset when tywin died. such a man didn't deserve such an embarrassment of a death especially the book version of his death and aftermath. so sad for such a legend of a character
You can see the rage on Tywin's face when Tyrion makes his demand but he swallows it and starts off with a reasoned response about how he'll get better accomodations and a suitable position soon. THEN he unloads.
I don't think he regretted being shitty to Tyrion. He regretted not killing him. He wasn't really surprised by the whole situation. His last thoughts were probably like: "I fucking knew it was coming. Fucking Tyrion, should have smothered him in the crib...".
Even tho its been awhile, you should never speak such words out loud, people could hear ! you. It would be blasphemous if the prophesy was spoiled by such in impotent whelp such as yourself.
Charles Dance does brilliantly well with these regal type roles. The tone of his voice commands respect and fear. I loved the fact he voiced Emyr in the witcher 3 too. Just another perfect casting.
Everyone always talks about how smart and badass Tywin was, which is true. But he was also an evil hypocrite full of irrational hatreds and bigotries, his lack of control over which caused his doom.
That's why I'll always prefer the book version of Tywin, even if Charles Dance's acting is incredible. Book Tywin is a massive hypocrite, and that's the whole point of his character. He enjoys whores just like Tyrion (who do you think built the secret tunnel to reach the brothel in King's Landing), he is as insecure and vengeful as Tyrion, using gratuitous violence to heal his wounded pride, etc.
I had this feeling in the last few seasons , something just didn’t feel right with the characters. Then I found out there was no more book material. D&D were only good at taking important pieces from a great book and making good scenes from that.
Interestingly, despite Tywins general lack of regard for Tyrions amazing accomplishments and sacrifices, and his weird control over Tyrions sex life, instead of Casterly Rock he gave Tyrion…the North. Gotta admit thats a hell of a bauble to make up for not getting Casterly Rock.
You do really get the impression if they were just on the same page and if the Red Wedding wasn't involved this was a hell of an olive branch between them. But then again it wouldn't be this story wouldn't it.
What Tywin did to Tyrions first wife was so cruel they didn't even keep it in the show. Tywin broke him and then hated him for being broken. It's really awful to listen to this scene and the scene with Oberyn telling Tyrion about when he first met him as a baby.
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Tyrion made me realize, no matter how hard you work or how effective your solutions to problems are, it all boils down to if your boss likes you.
I mean.... he kinda killed his boss for that.
I've learned the hard way that in life there are times where even if you act with the best of intentions. There's always someone out there who will treat you like you are a POS scumbag. I've lost some faith in humanity from the few times of experiencing this.
@@ball3677 usually that someone is a pos themselves and is insecure about it, so they project it onto someone they are jealous of
@@Grimm_Entertainment well I mean if your boss banged your girl, also paid tons of people to banged your previous girl and condemned you to die i probably kill him too.
No, no, no. No. Both competence and relationship w the boss matter. How do you not see that in this drama. Does Tywin suffer a single fool in power under him?
“You are an ill made spiteful little creature, full of envy, lust and low cunning”
That’s pretty much Cersei though
@@RedVelvetBlackleather she figured out viserion was wounded if not dead based on just the other 2 dragons arriving the dothraki & unsullied but not him and thats just 1 thing
Hahaha exactly
The BatBøy that’s show nonsense, only books are canon
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More like separate universes tbh. In the books giants were more hairier and the dragons are more OP.
Xenomorph Queen the show butchered too many good characters for me to consider it anything but false. Tyrion in particular was lobotomised
Fun fact: Charles Dance was so appalled by Tywin's treatment towards Tyrion that he kept apologizing to Peter Dinklage, between takes, for all the horrible things he told him while acting.
They are professionals, this is a lie. Stop this bullshit
That’s pretty intense ngl.
Sad if true. They were just acting. We all know Charles Dance is a warm and cuddly fellow.
Dinklage kind of deserves all those horrible things said to him. He climbed the ladder as a little person in Hollywood, then pulled it up behind him so he'd be the only little person in Hollywood.
@@OnlyTwoShoes He did no such thing. Making a comment on a podcast means nothing. Blame disney, not dinklage. He is allowed to his opinion.
Straight from the book. Charles and Peter absolutely killed this scene
Sadly one of the last from the books.
@@wades9327one of the last? What about season 4 lmao
the contempt in every utterance. for his own child. even I'm hurt
This was Tywin’s only weakness, his hatred for his son. It ended up killing him.
Yep.
Hatred?
Such cold clear.disdain can't possibly be for the hated.
But the dissapointement? That tyrion is not tywin. But worse. He is tywins father in a body that suits tywins fathers form.(in tywins mind. A jester. A clown. An imp of a man)
He is tywins father remade.
A reminder of everything tywin isn't without Joanna. And because of him (tyrion) he (tywin) is without Joanna.
The living memory of your only joy and greatest horror both.
Tywin forgot that Lannisters always pay their debts.
Yes he hated him but not just for being a dwarf. I genuinely think he could have got over that.
What must annoyed him I feel was he was a rebel, never wanted to do what his father said. He partied hard and enjoyed women and attention. He was known throughout the kingdoms as the half man but also as a drunk and whore lover. Which I'm sure for a man like tywin was much worse to hear than jokes about his dwarfism. Tywin could ignore jokes about his twins incest, but the drunk and whore lover with the sharp tongue most upset him.
Tywin was a bad father but tyrion loved being a problem too
@X What? probably as a reward or that he also is a whore lover in secret, this suggests that one of the reasons tywin hated tyrion was because tyrion had characteristics he held and was secretly ashamed of whilst his son could do it without a care in the world
"You who killed your mother to come into the world."
The evil in that sentence can't be overstated.
Ikr?? I can’t imagine the pain someone would feel hearing that from their own parent. Tywin is a monster
@@hollywoodshopaholic nobody makes the choice to "come into the world." The risks that come with childbirth are totally on the parents. Tyrion could actually be more justified in blaming his parents for creating him (as a dwarf). So not only is his statement cruel, it's just completely wrongheaded.
ArcViper agreed
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Same reason why Viserys would be so cruel to Daenerys since their mom died giving birth to her.
@@ArcViper he think of him as bastard
3:37 - 4:35 has got to be one of the most brutal and cruel sets of lines ever spoken on screen; you barely have time to breathe or process before he delivers the next insult. There's not even a hint of comedic relief to find here, just pure and uninterrupted verbal annihilation, and so beautifully delivered by Charles Dance.
It's tough love. I don't think he actually hated Tyrion, he was just tired of Tyrion's BS. Wasting the crown's money on getting drunk with strangers, and sleeping with random women in Brothels instead of making a name for himself and helping Twyin's legacy and family name. He was just disappointed, and angry at Tyrion's actions. He still loved him though.
“🙄 waddle around”
@@thamayor6324 I still don't think Twyin hated Tyrion in the show (never read the books so not sure how he was treated) but in the show it seemed like Twyin was more frustrated and disappointed in Tyrion but still loved him. And he just wanted to point out Tyrion's flaws instead of acting like a proper Lannister, he was drinking and partying. He wanted Tyrion to grow up. Not be a child. But still loved him
I love this whole scene because its showing what seemingly everyone else is choosing to ignore about tyrion
@@Zybezane I've read the books and I'm sure of two things. One Tyrion is not his son. Two tywin hated that he killed his wife and that he does EVERYTHING to disgusting excess.
Even as grown adults, the fear they all have for their father is so relatable and so apparent.
Until Tyrion has enough of his bullshit and puts two bolts through him lol
@@J_C_CH even then it took him killing someone he loved to push him over the edge.
Jamie has 0% fear
Tyrion has maybe 30% fear
Cersei has 75% fear
@@princelevi3733 makes sense, Jamie was the favorite
No not fear. Respect. I'm not afraid of my dad but I do respect him
This conversation alone is greater than the entire season 8 script.
Even more true now after the finale
*YoU aRe My QuEeN*
I think the conversation was good at the beginning of the show, because they have true conversation. After season 4, the dialogue seem like combat of who have the most fine word, who have the last word... (I don't know if it's the correct explanation in english, so in french I will say "un duel de répartie, un duel de bons mots" )
If people could stop spamming "bla bla season 8" on every single game of throne video that would be quite a relief. It's getting so old.
AMEN!!
Thinking: "The worst thing that can happen is that she says no."
Reality:
Basically.
This was the most savage take downs in the whole show
I'm fucking dead
Imagine watching your buddy get decimated like this by a random chick at the bar 🤣
@@WayneMercy right? Lol in full game of thrones words. 😂
As a fun fact that might reinforce this scene. Tywin had a favorite sister, one of the few people that could make him smile after his wife died and she was also Tyrion's favorite aunt. However when she once remarked to Tywin how similar Tyrion was to him in how capable and smart he was, Tywin became so angry that he didn't spoke to her in years after that. I think this scene really captures their relationship perfectly.
Also an interesting contrast that both Tywin and Tyrion had the same favorite sister/aunt showing how similar they were which was reinforced by Shae lying on Tyiwin's bed in the end.
PS: I think this aunt is mentioned in the show as the "fat Lannister", the mother of the Lannister that shared a cell with Jaime.
Genna lannister. She has some dialogue with Jamie in "feast for crows"? She married a frey and was at siege if riverrun i think
In the books the brothel Tyrion visits has a secret passage built by a previous Hand of the King. Fan theory believes it was Tywin who would never want it to be known he goes.
Robert to Lancel "Your mother was a whore with a fat ass"
Not too much in common of course, as Tyrion's favorite uncle was Gerion, who Tywin resented for his jovial nature and kindness to Tyrion. I don't recall if the book ever discusses Tywin's feelings regarding the man after his death though. Maybe he respected him somewhat for his desire to see Brightroar reclaimed, or maybe he thought him just a suicidal fool, prancing in the mists of doomed Valyria for a lost sword and a petty token of honor.
it was half a year he didn’t speak to her
2:52 Love the way Tywin swallows his rage, offers Tyrion a diplomatic compromise, then lashes out at him. Says so much about their relationship. Even the way the shots are framed in this scene makes it seem like both characters are staring into a warped mirror, each seeing in the other parts of themselves which they despise.
Gods, the dialogues were strong then.
This is the most under rated comment ever XD
Nice copy and paste
Ikr they were so impactful, usually what happens when u stray from good books with weak screenplay writers!
Caved in his breastplate 😄
Tyrion went from "Mind needs books like a sword needs wheatstone" to "i drink and i know things". Just shallow dialogue writing.
If you want a great cold 'villian', cast an old English theatre veteran
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Goodbye Clarice
@@overlex Hannibal never says that.
Perfect
BeastJCL Tywin isn’t a villain he is a true leader
Its sad tyrion had basically everything tywin wanted for his kids. Hes smart, brave, cunning the only thing he was lacking, was size
And that is why Tywin hates him, everything that Tyrion is he wants for Jaimie, bit Jaimie is a weirdo who sleeps with his sister and allows her to manipulate him. Theon pretty much had the same issue, and it cost him his manhood.
Yeah pretty much he hated him for being a midget.
also he was pretty fucking ugly in the books, and was also pretty sinister compared to handsome Peter Dinklage
I think if Joanna Lannister had lived, it would have been much different. The dwarf thing is a small issue(lol), but the death of the wife/mother is the main catalyst for Tywin and Cersei hating Tyrion so much. There were also theories that Tyrion was the son of Aerys II and not Tywin, which made a lot of sense if you read info from the books.
I tink the bigguest ting is that he drinks and partys around Tywin sees this as a mocking of his name
I love how Tywin mentions his father (Tytos Lannister), then immediately mentions his father's father (Gerold Lannister). Tytos was hated by Tywin. Tytos used to "waddle about" being laughed at by the members of other houses, as Tytos threw his money around, spending it on wine and prostitutes, and Tywin mentions with Arya in S2 that Tytos "nearly destroyed our house and name." The exact same things that Tywin is accusing Tyrion of doing. He sees Tyrion as his Tytos, but in a body more suited to his behaviour in life. Tytos' father, Gerold Lannister, known as Gerold the Golden was, on the other hand, known to be exceptionally smart, quick-witted, and a very capable lord who massively increased the wealth of House Lannister. A man who was greatly respected by Tywin. Kind of funny how he immediately mentions "his father before him" after mentioning Tytos.
Ironically, Tyrion was not born being into drinking and whoring. He only did it as a coping mechanism against Tywin's abuse ever since he was aware of his surroundings. Tywin went on and on about the family legacy, but he's the one who ultimately led to its demise.
Gerold Lannister also supposedly murdered both his brother and his niece to get Casterly Rock. If Tywin went back any further than his own grandfather, he'd have to break the line of descent and acknowledge that "low cunning" has always been what the Lannisters are best at.
Because as trash as his grandfather and father were he still valued his last name, Lannister. He valued what it meant and hated what his recent ancestors had done to that name. But it doesn't diminish his respect for them bearing that name. Such a great character
@@luxemburgist1635 Sacking the city after the war was over was definitely low cunning to me
@@theeverchosen1504And having a noble woman raped and killed was also a bad idea
"Hey dad can I have the massive castle?"
- "No"
If this scene took place in season 8
@@matheuscruz8574 dont forget that tywin would be making cock jokes
@@matheuscruz8574 My same thoughts
@@xshadionytpx7891 Nah he wouldve gone to the North to have the Night King married Cersei so they could crush the Starks and Targaryens.
Which would kill him cause the Night King is what he is
In Season 8 Tywin would offer Tyrion the Rock only for him to pull a Jon and say "Idunwanit shez mah kween".
"I'll let myself be consumed by maggots before you have casterly rock" well tyrion has casterly rock and you are being consumed by maggots. Lol
Technically he is not, since he is buried in a stone crypt under sept of Baelor (i think)
@@dukatelon9040 Well he was. Now I assume he's just disintegrated.
Gadget Gadget ....... shut up
tyrion is dead too. well in a few weeks he will
@@kelseyvision littlefinger is not dead
I love the way Tyrion is so hurt he doesn’t even wait for Tywin to finish before he turns and finishes walking away. Such a moving scene, damn near moves me to tears.
"And I would let myself be consumed by maggots before mocking the family name by making you heir to Casterly Rock."
This scene actually makes me cry lol. Tyrion really wanted his father to love him and be proud of him and treat him with respect. That's what he's really asking for in this scene, he literally proved himself in battle, as a family Tyrion and Tywin won the Battle of Blackwater together. Yet Tywin is as hateful and condescending as ever. Had Tywin been able to love and respect Tyrion their house name would have lived on like he so desperately wanted.
(btw I love Tywin as a character and Charles Dance is amazing, just his character is an awful father/person)
Tywin would have probably killed for a ruthless “devote” succesor like stannis, instead of someone out the box yet unlawful and prone to mockery. For someone that creates his power structure from fear or respect he’s practically his nemesis.
The family did live on, Tyrion inherited Casterly Rock after the death of Jaime
I love Tywin Lannister, but, in this instance, he needed his ass beat. He learns later what treating his son like shit leads to.
He is not wrong about some things tho. Tyrion also led Daenerys to her demise so Tywin was right for the most part in judging Tyrion`s abilities.
Tywin was a smart man - one of the smartest in all Westeros. Unfortunately, he couldn't get past his hate and shame for Tyrion, even when he recognized how capable Tyrion was. As a real team, they would have been virtually unstoppable.
You are totally right
The thing I love about this show is that characters face the consequences of their OWN actions, rather than their enemy's. It wasn't betrayal of his own king or the cruelty of the red wedding that killed him. It was being a hypocrite to himself by believing "family is everything" yet hating Tyrion that killed him.
Tywin is a real tragic shakespearian protagonist. He was one of the strongest lords of his time and laid great foundations for his family's future. And then his wife died and the grief changed him and then turned into hatred against the son his wife died trying to bring into the world, which ultimately leads to his doom at the hands of the child he never loved, ironically the most promising of the three and the best-suited to take the family name.
Would they had beaten the North if Robb was still alive and Jon came back to help?
@@TyTimeIsAwesome maybe, maybe Robb just wouldn't have been alive because they would always scheme against him and kill him somehow. Anyhow, Robb is definitely outmatched in terms of political skills and smarts so he'd have to rely on his advisors. He'd definitely "win the battle but lose the war" but maybe Jon would maybe have his back there, hard to say. They definitely stand a chance, anyway.
I didn't know they televised my relationship with my dad.
my asian dad
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4:43 Never noticed it until now but as Tywin talks, Tyrion just nods midway through and continues walking, not staying or dramatically staring at his father while he speaks. He had enough of his shit, just the same thing he’s heard since birth.
Tywin Lannister was such a hypocrite, presenting himself as a man of honor and respectability, all about following the law and proper etiquette, while condemning Tyrion for his hedonistic lifestyle, but in the same time engaging in an extramarital affair with Shae.
It is actually kinda funny. In the books, Tyrion uses a certain tunel said to have been built by a previous hand of the king with the intuit of having affairs with whores without it becoming public, and is very much hinted that said hand was Tywin.
Where’s the hypocracy in that
Tywin's issue was never the fucking and drinking - his issue was that Tyrion *_let it be known._* It's about *_reputation._* He still would have hated Tyrion, but less so if he'd been discreet.
@@JamesJNothingIsTooSensitiveyes this! Most honor-bound societies expect people to act in a high brow way publicly, regardless of their actions behind closed doors. Tyrion, by contrast, openly enjoyed "playing the court jester," whether that be publicly dating prostitutes, pointlessly antagonizing and challenging the king, having scoundrels like Bronn at court, etc.
Tyrion, by medieval standards (and by most public political standards), would rightly be seen as a personal and family embarrassment.
That was the most cruel, cold-hearted and sadistic statement to throw into the face of your own son. Completely barren of all emotions, but resentment.
i think the scene where he sentences him to death or the scene where he tells tyrion of the last time he did something for the family not himself where at least as cruel and cold hearted as this one
agreed
as charles dance once said, "tywin lannister is emotional desert"
It was spot on.
And thus did Tywin set himself up to take a couple of crossbow bolts on the shitter.
If I were Tyrion I’d have cried my eyes out man. Tywin’s words were VISCIOUS.
to be fair... Tyrion DID bring a whore the the capital right after Tywin told him not to, he got the justification for his hatred even more because Tyrion fucked up.
What does he want from Tyrion. He always treated him like shit and didn't care about him or his life. Just the name he bares matters only reason he makes any effort to hide his disdain
legion160 except Tyrion didn’t really fuck up, he actually did his job as acting hand and did a very good job at it
@@legion160 I don't see any trouble in defence of kings landing because of Shae during the battle....I don't know why people defend Tywin for being cruel to Tyrion. It's like they forgot that Tywin was Tyrion's father...And as father you love your children.
@@legion160 That's still not fair. Tywin would have came to KL with a dead daughter, grandchildren and a vacated throne where it not for Tyrion, a damn dwarf leading the defense of Kings Landing and he knew that. Truth be told we watched Tyrion personally kill more people than Tywin has at this point in his career. Tywin just couldnt stand the fact that he knew Tyrion deserved what he was asking for and even more.
I love how the emotion in Tywin's voice slowly increases throughout the scene.
In the books Tywin's contempt for Tyrion makes a bit more sense as Tyrion is a far less heroic figure. He's more like Tywin with an even greater perchant for manipulating his own family. In the books Tywin's words about Tyrion being a "spiteful creature" make more sense as Tyrion is a more dastardky schemer who takes the fate of his family into his own gambles and Tywin - whome family and reputation are everything - is absolutely appalled by this.
except there is no need for his hatred on screen. this tyrion is not the tyrion in the book. so there is no understanding why he treats tyrion the way he does expect for shame and really not knowing if tyrion is his son. there were no DNA test back then.
By the way tyrion's whoring and drinking was based on being rejected and laughed at.
Tywin got it in the end from the one who deserved to do him in.
@@kcorpora1 But the screen only showed a small part of , none of Tyrions antics growing up, but either way what's shown and told is enough for Tywins hatred
@@gyula47236 again Tywin hated him because his wife died from tyrions birth. Also born a dwarf! So whatever antics he did was based on him lashing out based on how he was treated. That is obvious to a blind person.
@@kcorpora1 in the books Tyrion acts in a more vilainous way, he threatens to hurt Tommen if Cersei hurts his hooker friend ( deep down he doesn't want to hurt Tommen but he makes Cersei believe he will), he also almost breaks Cersei's arm while threatening her. In the books it's one of the reasons Tywin gets extremely angry at Tyrion in this scene. In the books Tywin also hates Tyrion because he reminds him of his father and of his own insecurities.
@@pcprincipal9517 interesting
It's ironic as Tywin was obsessed with family legacy and the bloodline moving on but the only way the bloodline moves on now is through Tyrion, who he hated the most
Tywin was in denial
Poetic justice
Why didn't he try to procreate another son?
@@brianlam257 maybe his noodle gone limp
@@deusrex6230 Qyborn may be able to help
I love how Tyrion turns away from his father during his last remark. Such a subtle human moment.
Jeremy Terkelsen That made the scene for me. This is such a real depiction of a father’s contempt for his son and the son’s powerlessness in the presence of his father that it’s painful to watch.
I was just going to write this. It’s a subtle thing but such a perfect acting choice.
Opamigaaa It’s because he turns away *during* Tywin’s last remark instead of afterwards that makes it realistic, not the fact that he just turned away.
@Opamigaaa Dipshit
Opamigaaa you’re so delusional my god
My favorite line from the entire seires ,
" jugglers and singers require appulse you arrre a lanister ", that sets the bar really high .
Tyrion rose on unsteady legs, closed his eyes for an instant as a wave of dizziness washed over him, and took a shaky step toward the door. Later, he would reflect that he should have taken a second, and then a third. Instead he turned. “What do I want, you ask? I’ll tell you what I want. I want what is mine by rights. I want Casterly Rock.”
His father’s mouth grew hard. “Your brother’s birthright?” "The knights of the Kingsguard are forbidden to marry, to father children, and to hold land, you know that as well as I. The day Jaime put on that white cloak, he gave up his claim to Casterly Rock, but never once have you acknowledged it. It’s past time. I want you to stand up before the realm and proclaim that I am your son and your lawful heir.”
Lord Tywin’s eyes were a pale green flecked with gold, as luminous as they were merciless. “Casterly Rock,”he declared in a flat cold dead tone. And then, “Never.”
The word hung between them, huge, sharp, poisoned. I knew the answer before I asked, Tyrion said. Eighteen years since Jaime joined the Kingsguard, and I never once raised the issue. I must have known. I must always have known.
“Why?” he made himself ask, though he knew he would rue the question. “You ask that? You, who killed your mother to come into the world? You are an ill-made, devious, disobedient, spiteful little creature full of envy, lust, and low cunning. Men’s laws give you the right to bear my name and display my colors, since I cannot prove that you are not mine. To teach me humility, the gods have condemned me to watch you waddle about wearing that proud lion that was my father’s sigil and his father’s before him. But neither gods nor men shall ever compel me to let you turn Casterly Rock into your whorehouse.”
-Tyrion
A Storm of Swords
you mean "- Twyin" at the end.
@@supermal112233 no. It’s a Tyrion POV chapter
Wow
Charles Dance was the absolute perfect cast for this role.
And Peter Dinklage for his role.
@@germanandres24 True but I feel like the writing for Tyrion's character is so good another actor might've been able to pull it off. Maybe not as well as Peter but still.
Tywin's character has an unspoken air to him that makes him dominate other characters without saying anything. Charles was made for this role.
This is the one case in the tv show in which a character is portrayed better here than in the books
@@yilmazh3127 Nobody couldve played tyrion better imo. Tyrion on trial is probably thw best acted scene ive ever seen. GoT had a near perfect cast, especially considering mosf of the actors nobody knew prior to the show. Hopefully House of Deagons is just as good
He did crush it!👍🤘
The way Tyrion asks “why?” is just genius acting. Feels like, as well as genuinely asking why, he’s questioning why his father is so relentlessly cruel and disrespectful to him, not just in this instance but his throughout his entire life
@Nogent Sounds like Dinklage captured that perfectly then. I’m reading the books now and it’s become clear how many of the genius dialogues are taken straight from them, props to the actors for some of the amazing deliveries of course but as Charles Dance said I believe, with the GOT script the actors didn’t have to try and make a “purse out of a pigs ear”
I want to give you a like but it's at 666 which is just perfect.
@@lightningmuhqween4828 It is currently at 911. Should I like it?
@@tastycattoast8708 I'm listening to the audiobook of AGoT and hearing many of the exact same dialogues that made the show so memorable without the special touch the actors gave them. Not that there's anything wrong with Roy Dotrice's narration, but it just doesn't have the same spark as the GoT performances, and it shows you just how much life a good actor can bring to a part.
I think he always knew the answer to “why?”, but I think it was just an exhausted reaction that just slips out of him.
The fact that no matter how much he tries to be in his father’s good graces he will never earn his respect and will always hold a grudge against him for killing his mother (even though it wasn’t his fault, had no control over it and didn't ask to be born, something only Jaime seems to understand) and hates him for being an embarrassment because of his dwarfism
I know it's been a long time, but I'm still shocked how terribly this once amazing show ended. What we could have had :(
Well put
I have to say the political storylines in seasons 1-4 were the best part of the show. I anticipated seeing Tywin, Varys, Littlefinger, and even Tyrion, using their political prowess.
It's a shame HBO cancelled it after the 6th season
@@BedroomPianistAfter the 4th.
I love how Tyrion knows exactly what kind of powerplay Tywin is trying to pull with the pen, but Tyrion just keeps sitting and poking fun at papa.
Just read this chapter, Tywin is incredibly cold, and Charles Dance portrayed him fantastically.
kuledinho Lol .. Tywin is not cold at all. He is extremely prideful and he lets his emotions cloud his decisions more than some times.
Roose Bolton is what you call as a cold man with no emotions whatsoever.
+Siran424 agreed tywin is a product mix of pride and coldness specially towards his children. when tywin wanted something from someone of power he becomes fairly soft tongue.
roose bolton is pure coldness. no emotion no feeling. His coldness is best described in the scene where he tells his son Ramsey about his mother.
Tywin is a great character. If only he didnt have that sort of relationship with Tyrion, he would probably be my favorite.
Tywin gives him much more credit than he does here.
@@siran424 Dude he literally had his sons first love gang raped then made Tyrion do it last. That in its self is sick and cold beyondmeasure in itself then he wiped out two whole noble houses Women and Children had them drowned. The guy is truly a monster like a crueler medieval Augustus Caesar. Lets also not forget the murder of both the Prince and Princess ordered by Tywin during the rebellion and the cruel remarks he makes to Tyrion. Also the cluster fuck that is Cersei and Jaime can also be partially be thrown at Tywin's coldness. Guys a gifted individual but he's as cruel and cold. Closest character I can see in him is the Michael Corleone from the Godfather if Michael ever chose to murder babies and be cruel to his deformed son.
Twyn really has an imposing presence, he has this ruthless, severe aristocratic air about him that reminds me a lot of Christopher Lee.
Although Tywin would be extremely out of his depth if he ever crossed paths with Saruman.
I don't think Christopher Lee ever gave a performance like that.
@@snowlion2593 No shit, Tywin isn’t a wizard.
@@snowlion2593 A better comparison to Tywin would be Denethor, if you ask me. They're both great rulers with sons who frustrate them.
@@jamesgravil9162 Wasn't Denethor a selfish fool?
For any man who looks for admiration from his father this scene speaks volumes
“Men’s laws give you the right to bear my name and display my colours since I cannot prove you are not mine.” Brutal
back when dialogues are impactful :(
Jaberwalk1e were*
Whatever
D&D: "wE SuBvERteD YouR ExpEctAtioNS wiTH Our SHittY ScenaRiO"
@Jaberwalk1e well said, once they ran out of source material the dialogue and writing in general have jumped the shark.
Γνωστός Άγνωστος I’m on the verge of not even watching the rest of the season
My favorite bit is right at the end: Tyrion stops and turns to hear Tywin's last remark but as soon as he hears the word "whore" leave Tywin's mouth, he immediately turns in disgust and starts walking again. The little nod Tyrion gives too like "yup, of course it's one last barb on the way out". Always loved that little touch.
Omg he actually gives it a nod like "ah yeah what I expected, why'd I even stop to listen?"
Lmao this is great
It’s so realistic, I can totally relate to that feeling
The way that last line is delivered and timed with the music is absolutely amazing. It expresses so much emotion. It was already such a tense scene yet somehow that part just made it feel so much more ominous and real
wtf happened to that subtly in the later seasons
It’s so beyond good how this show portrays real conversations like this. It’s like Tyrion half expected something nice but then just nodded to himself like you do when you’re getting chewed out by a parent.
The acting in this scene is incredible. The timing of the music in the background was impeccable
The most heartbreaking dialogue on the show. Tywin's cruelty here was legendary.
It's lifted from the books - where he actually deserved at least some of it.
@@CharleyGurlhe didn't deserve any of it ya heartless bastard
@@TJ-fe7rrRight, Tyrion threatening to beat and violate Tommen was fine and Tywin should not be angry. 🙄
They did say "in the books". From where the dialogue comes. Sorry to bust your TV bubble but noble Tyrion ain't a thing IN THE BOOKS.
@@KrolockTepes I've read the books dumbass. I know what Tyrion is like in the books and how exactly Tywin has treated him through the years. Tyrion tried to help Joffrey and he's always tried to make his father proud, to no avail.
@@TJ-fe7rrAnd I'm the Queen of England. You're just a TV fan.
Can you imagine if Twying had embraced Tyrion after this point and treat him not like a son but as an equal? They would've been unstoppable.
well unstoppable till the night king came knocking
Tywin would have wrecked that bitch
***** truth is what you speak
EkhidnaSkiz you are basically judging his character from a 21st century point of view ( im not saying you are wrong). but going back 200-1000 years back. A very powerful lord or king wouldrarely let his dwarf son or daughter be the heir if he has other sons.
Nathan Drake Yes, but it is till messed up anytime in history
“I’ll let myself be consumed by maggot before I let you have casterly rock”
*deal*
😂
*maggots**
And now Tyrion is Lord of Casterly Rock in season 8 ending.
And Tywins body is being consumed by maggots in his grave.
Lol
Bitch that shit was funny as fuck! It was sad, but low key funny! 😂😂😂🤭💯
Their relationship is the most interesting on the show. Tywin sees Tyrion's strategic abilities, leadership skills, and intelligence as right up there with his own, which is why he made him hand of the King, and he has deep conversations with him about running the kingdom more than any other character. Tyrion's is the only opinion other than his own that he gives any consideration to when it comes to matters of leadership. Yet the things that disgust him about Tyrion, specifically the way he chooses to live, is pretty much entirely due to Tywin never properly accepting him as his son and being disgusted by his existence.
Yep. Great writing
Tywin has generally been a character I couldn’t come to hate due to his extreme intelligence and presence but this scene is an exception. Tyrion’s been looked down upon by the whole world, including his father and sister, for being a dwarf and ‘killing’ his mother, something he can’t control. This unfortunately happens in real life too, so many awful parents are biased against certain children for qualities and characteristics they can do nothing about
"Jugglers and singers require applause." Damn.
"Do you think I demanded a garland of roses every time I suffered a wound on the battlefield?" Lmao
Clap clap clap.
He was right. Some people do not deserve applause or graitification for acts that are expected of them.
@@CallieKills But Tyrion went far beyond what was expected of him, imo.
@@TehIdiotOne for what exactly? He was losing before tywin and garlan saved the day
To teach me humility the gods have condemned me to watch u waddle about. The way he moves his head when he says waddle about. The disdain and half truths in his monologue are so vicious. Charles Dance is a savage.
Jerry Cregan Stark Mathurin I was referring to Tyrion killing his Mother, I think. That’s one way to look at it but a really twisted perspective. Not fair. As for what ur talking about, I don’t know. I never read the books and wasn’t that into the show.
His head movement is forever imprinted in my memory. That's how well he delivered his line.
Tyrion had to be so self conscious of his waddling as he turned to leave to the room 😭
Thats the bit I always liked.
@@barneyboyle6933 😀
No matter how many times I watch this...this scene still gives me chills. I dont understand how D&D became so disconnected with what made this show amazing in the first place. Any show or movie can up the budget and raise the bar with battle scenes and CGI dragons, but this shows best moments are when two characters are face to face, talking in a room while drinking wine, with an epic soundtrack in the backround.
D & D arent George Martin - this scene is ripped from the books.
@@LPSven89D&D wrote many great scenes that weren't in the books. Don't rob them of their actual accomplishments. Managing to adapt ASOIAF in the first place was a feat all on its own.
@@AimForMyHead81there’s not even one
@letthemadnessspeak You're clueless. There's a bunch of them.
>Robert, Jaime and Barristan sharing war stories
>Tywin telling Jamie about the value of power as he skins a deer
>Arya serving as Tywin's cupbearer
>Varys and Littlefinger interactions
>Catlyn Stark telling the story about Jon as a baby
>Arya and the hound fighting Lannister soldiers at the Inn
>The entirety of Hardhome
>Drogon clearing out the seige of Mereen
>Battle of the Bastards
>Cersei blowing up the sept
I've probably missed some but they wrote a bunch of great original scenes that weren't in the books.
These 2 actors were made for these roles. They were phenomenal!
The most perfect part is when Tyrion walks off at the end. He turns to listen, realises immediately that he doesn't want to hear it and walks away. I've never seen anyone do that in a show before but it happens in real life when you hate someone but have to listen to them
He turned away as soon as Tywin said "whore".
Like "oh I already know where this crap is going"
@@matheuscruz8574 True. Its so realistic, that i would totally imagine myself doing it in a similair/same Situation.
It’s the subtle nod when Tywin says ‘Whore’. Like he’s thinking ‘yep, heard this one before’
In Tywin's old age he muddled up the words 'hang' and 'bang'. :)
CapPorky i would like this comment but there are 69 likes
@@portsidedyldo2661 I was the 666th.
🤣🤣🤣
OMFG XD
LOL
Tywin knew this whole time he was talking to his only worthy successor, but his idiotic hatred prevented him from ever admitting it. He and Tyrion would have been unstoppable as a team.
I think thats you projectinf on Tywin. All Tywin sees is a disgusting little imp that he feels compelled but not honored to attach himself to. He never looked at Tyrion as a son and not even as an ally. Tyrion is a tool at the best of times and a liability the rest of the time.
Tywin is not even convinced Tyrion is his biological son as he hints in this very scene. There is no quiet respect and understanding that people love to add in.
@@shihoblade The books disagree.
@@tek512 You're gonna need to provide textual evidence for that because in the books Tywin seems even less fond of Tyrion imo lol.
@@shihoblade it's a bit more complicated than that.
4:47 phenomenal acting by Dinklage. As soon as Tywin starts the sentence he knows where it’s going and just turns to walk away.
Loved S1-4 :///
The acting in this scene is phenomenal. Peter Dinklage's expressions as the scene continues is a master class. From confidence, to confusion, to shame, to anger, to hatred, to emotionally checking out. The little nod he gives at the end like, "Yeah, whatever..." is just so on point. These two actors together during that time of the show, there was really nothing like it on television.
You named it all
Breaking Bad ? Try again sir
@@carloscortez6842 Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul or two of the greatest shows in modern television. But those shows are grounded in a real world mythology.
There has never been a fantasy show that has equaled Game of Thrones at its zenith. Nothing with its budget; its cinematic grandeur; its effects; or its massive cast.
Breaking Bad was an intimate show that focused on Walter White's exploits. The show revolved around him. Game of Thrones was an ensemble show with a slew of plotlines all going on at once.
The notion that they are comparable in that respect is absurd. Game of Thrones stands alone that aspect. Game of Thrones wasn't able to do what Breaking Bad did within its wheelhouse, and Breaking Bad couldn't do what Game of Thrones did within its wheelhouse. Comparing the two would be like comparing Fellowship of the Ring with One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Both are exceptional in their own way, and both are exceptional primarily in ways the other isn't.
You forgot immense pain and hurt from the words coming out of his own father's mouth. But he'd be damned if he was going to let this cold hard loveless sonofab!tch see him cry.
That not looking at Tywin while he asks for Casterly Rock, that completely removes any need for suspension of disbelief, I really believe that Dinklage is Tyrion Lannister and acts like a person would act in that scenario. Masterclass by both actors!
Dialogues this season were, “She is my queen” and “I don’t want it. She is my queen”.
Missed such intellectual discussions that were so much a signature of the show
narayananramanathan
“Don’t fight for your king, and don’t fight for his kingdoms.”
There’s plenty in seasons 5-8 but your just too fucking stupid to pay attention
@@Da_Homie12 No.
Eru Iluvataår V. I’ve proven my point
@@Da_Homie12 Taking into consideration the intellectual level of a person you don't even know?
Ha, poor mind.
"Ask her out, the worst she can say is no"
Her response:
It's so great how in one breath Tywin can diminish Tyrion's achievements by emphasising that he's a Lannister and his son, and then in the next, completely undercut what Tyrion being his son should mean.
If Tywin actually treated him like a son, instead of just weaponising it against him, Tyrion wouldn't have turned out how he is.
Do u have instagram
Yeah. And this is because Tywin is an immature apathetic person who believes that admitting a mistake is weakness and who sees everything that is immoral, unfair and wrong in society as universal rules of life. Tywin thought so much about the family's political position that he ignored any of the family's needs.
Despite Tywin's great wisdom, his own stubborness blinded him to the fact that despite all of his whoring and joking, Tyrion is the only Lanister fit to replace Tywin. He may not have his stature, but he has proven time and again to have a wit equal to or beyond that of Tywin himselft.
But then, Tyrion's bad habits of drinking & whoring are a minus.
yep
i think tyrions even better because he can adapt really easy he finds out what everyone arounds him want so that he knows the players of the game and then he adapts his strategies. he would make the lannisters even more powerfull then they already are.
i think tyrions even better because he can adapt really easy he finds out what everyone arounds him want so that he knows the players of the game and then he adapts his strategies. he would make the lannisters even more powerfull then they already are.
Tyrion is a Mad King's son. Not Tywin's. And Tywin knows it.
I think this was the moment (if there was a single one) where Tyrion realized he could never mean anything to Tywin. As much as he liked jousting with his father, I think Tyrion had hope for gaining SOMETHING from him, even if just some grudging respect.
Tywin did respect Tyrion. This interaction showed that. He may not like or even love him but he values him as a son.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 He loved his son it was obvious he just had a grudge against him and his pride would not let go of it
@@ispeakonlyfacts.3228 I don't know if I'd go that far. He had enough pride in his house and love for his wife to not drown Tyrion at birth, his (most likely) and the woman he loved's last son, even though he "killed" her. (Obviously not Tyrion's fault, but going off Tywin's logic.) While I think deep down, he has a grudging respect for Tyrion, it's too covered in his disappointment that it was Tyrion the dwarf that was most like him instead of Jaime or even Cersei, disappointment and embarrassment in his whoring and drinking, (which is probably some projecting and generational shame as we clearly see later that Tywin is not so above whoring as he claims and acts,) and grief turned hate for his wife to truly ever be considered love. I think Tywin is certainly capable of loving his family, as we see with him and Tommund, but there's just too much covering any possible love he may have for Tyrion to be even considered that anymore imo
Tywin didint like Tyrion. He was too obsessed with the image of house lannister. But desperate times gave in to desperate measures. He was ready to use Tyrion as long as it was necessary for the survival of the house. Once the future of the house was more or less secure, he didnt mind getting rid of him as long as the house itself was not hurt.
Tirions performance as Hand of the King did impress Tywin, at least somewhat. The problem was that due to Tirion's deformity, Tywin raised his expectations nearly to the ceiling. Tirion did cut back on whoring, limiting himself to a single courtesan, and he did cut down on drinking, and he rose to the challenge of being Hand of the King. However, Twyin probably was expecting little to no drinking, no whoring at all, and sole consumption of Tirion's time with his duties, as Tywin often is. An unrealistic expectation, honestly. Still, I'm not sure Tirion ever could have been "good enough" for Tywin.
The saddest and ironic about this scene is that Tyrion is the child that so like and closest to his father in talents and ability compared to his other siblings. Yet Tywin due to his hatred and loathing of Tyrion can never see that or praise him for it. Creating as lasting hatred between that will eventually cause Tywin's death.
now that i think about it tyrion is the only one who managed to be hand of the king and survive
Rain
And now Qyburn of all people.
@@thedarkknight9153 Qyburn and Davos but who of those will last to the very end?
Until Tyrion shot him with a crossbow....
@@swaghauler8334 nobody's talking about Tywin here
swaghauler Read something throughly before say something stupid
As cruel as Tywin was, I loved his character for some reason; the show started going downhill ever since Tywin died.
Just let the story of Castamere run through your head. Tywin was the best. GOT. SHIT. DONE!
Even without Tywin, the show got less and less interesting as all the characters started dying. Robert, Ned, the Tyrells, they all contributed. In Season 8 there were like 5 characters left.
Ghaffar_KH in large part because Charles Dance played him brilliantly. His glare and presence intimidated nearly everyone
@Lone Reaper what do you mean? i dont read the book. Can you tell me?
I felt the show went down the moment Ned Stark was killed.. everyone else who came after him, even though as good as Charles Dance, felt like just a consolation for the viewing audience. Season 8 may be the worst season, but the show has become shit by Season 2. It should have been cancelled after season 1.
Tywin gets up, writes letters, emotionally destroys his children, goes about his day as if nothing happened..
This show cast phenomenal actors, but Charles Dance stil stood above them all in each scene. He is truly next level.
The greatest acomplishment of Game of Thrones writing is the utter vile hate it can induce by presenting us the psyche of Lannisters.
i sent my dad this scene...he became more nice
Only love for the lannisters
@@PeterParker-yg6fc Your dad's dead mate. I think the symbiote is getting to you again.
Has nothing to do with Game of Thrones riding and everything to do with the Song of Ice and Fire riding this scene is Straight From A Storm of Swords by George RR Martin he deserves all the credit
@@scholarmonk3380 the show deserves credit too because it presented the scene from the book so well.
"In reality, Charles Dance was appalled and disgusted at Lord Tywin's treatment of his son, Tyrion. He remarked that it was extremely difficult for him to mistreat a genuinely nice man like Peter Dinklage. So Charles Dance kept apologizing to Dinklage between takes."
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It proves that Peter Dinklage is really a man of honor. Besides, both are great actors indeed.
Well if that's the case then Mr dance deserves some type of award for his acting abilities. Some of these English actors are just... Dance just steals every scene that he's in with his closing monologues.
I can only imagine as soon as they cut....
Peter!!!! Im so sorry
Killer Joe as much as I love Dance as an actor is GoT, I don’t think we can proclaim him top 10 or deserving of so many awards like some claim until the shows he’s capable of diverse acting. He has a large body of work throughout his career and yet is only known for 1 serious role. I think a lot of mainstream actors get overlooked simply for being mainstream that are better actors overall with a lot more diversity to their craft. (Denzel Washington, Tom Cruise, Matt Damon, Leonardo DiCaprio, etc.)
I think that shows disrespect to Peter Dinklage... If you aren't a mature and sensible enough actor to understand that you're ACTING as someone and it's a script, then that just makes you look like an idiot.
@@ronsellick5093 Exactly, OP is probably talking out his arse
3:54. I just realised that Tywin hates Tyrion so much, that he would rather think that Joana cheated on him, than acknowledge that he is the father.
Damn
Charles Dance is so good at playing this character that it still puzzles my mind. I know it is cliché to say but he was born to play this role.
3:38 Tywin’s dialogue is practically 100% word for word out of A Storm of Swords
Oh wow ... need to read the books ASAP
Something I love about this series is just listening to the ambience of the scenes. The wine being poured into the cups, the faint animal sounds in the background, the scratching of Tywin's pen as he writes, footsteps in the stone corridors...in this world of unpleasantness, there's something so...calming about it all :)
LOVE THIS!
Dont forget the hands seal
It makes it feel alive and real.
Yes so true
The wind and the bird chirps too. Etc
If Tyrion's birth was intended to teach Tywin humility, the gods really dropped the ball on that one. Just as well plan B was to make sure Tyrion could shoot straight.
The writing and acting in this scene is so good. Just watch tyrions face when Tywin says that he killed his mother to come into the world. Just little facial gestures that make this world so much more beieveable
Dialogues then: (this video)
Dialogues now:
- You are the rightful heir to the throne.
- uwuwuw i dun wunt to be king uwuwuw
And:
She is muh queen
It hurts even more when you consider his first interactions with her.
I honestly can’t remember any actual conversation/dialogue in s8.
Uh don’t wahn it
Uh don’t wahn tha crown
Cielo Pachirisu “DaNy iS nOt A tHrEaT
If Tyrion wasn’t a dwarf, he’d be Tywin’s favourite.
Probably not.
Tyrion does spend a lot of time chasing whores and drinking
Tyrion never stood a chance. Even if he wasn't a dwarf, even if he was the epitome of virtue, Tyrion (in Tywin's eyes) killed the one woman he ever loved. That was unforgivable.
Interesting thought, he would definitely still be hated by Cersei because he killed their mother on his birth. Tywin would probably still harbor hatred for Tyrion or atleast in this initial stages of his childhood life. This hate/hatred from both his sister and father would probably lead him down the same path of whores and alcohol. Idk but his stature feels more like an accessory or add on to the fact that he killed his mother on his birth
Plus, Tywin having intercourse with Shane after she betrayed Tyrion felt more like a power move especially after Tyrion professed his love for her and Tywin being held at gun point. Even as he was being held at gun point, he didn’t care about calling Shane a whore. I remember some dialogue about a prank Tywin did to Tyrion when he was young. Tywin hired a whore to pretend to love and marry Tyrion. Both of these scenarios paint a story about Tywin never allowing Tyrion to have true love because he took his true love away from him.
@@frisby7143 don't you think the whores and drinking is because of the dwarfism
*afterwards*
Bronn: So what did he say?
Tyrion: He said he'll think about it.
You could see the moment Tywin broke Tyrion’s heart on his face great acting.
Back then you could savour every spoken interaction like a fine wine.
Cersei raises her glass
Tyrion season 3 episode 1:I organized the defense of this city while you held court in the ruins of Harrenhal. I led the foray when the enemies were at the gate while your grandson, the king, quivered in fear behind the walls. I bled in the mud for our family. And as my reward, I was trundled off to some dark little cell. But what do I want? A little bloody gratitude would be a start.
Tyrion season 8: I have balls and you don't hehe
CoCks are Important .
It is KnoWn
Or: "When she murdered the slavers of Astapor, I’m sure no one but the slavers complained. After all, they were evil men. When she crucified hundreds of Meereenese nobles, who could argue? They were evil men. The Dothraki khals she burned alive? They would have done worse to her. Everywhere she goes, evil men die and we cheer her for it. And she grows more powerful and more sure that she is good and right. She believes her destiny is to build a better world for everyone. If you believed that, if you truly believed it, wouldn’t you kill whoever stood between you and paradise?"
@@darth856 thats actually good dialogue ?
@@darth856 The answer for that question is the difference between dany and Agon the dragon, jaehaerys the conciliator, tywin, tyrion. If you think that was good dialogue then dany was meant to be mad and if not this is the shittest thing I ever heard.
Tyrion is big mad that Daenerys Targaryen killed evil men? Every major character killed evil men. Lucky for them that their father’s aren’t Evil!
Possibly the most anger inducing scene in the show. Tyrion rounded up the known thieves, he organised the defence of the city and held it long enough for Tywin's reinforcements to come, he fought on the battlefield and rallied the men when both the Hound and King Joffrey ran, while Cersei sat in her chambers drinking wine before bringing Tommen to meekly commit suicide in fear of Stannis. Tywin says 'Jugglers and singers require applause' as if it's reserved for the lowly entertainment but that's why King Joffrey and co awarded 600 knighthoods in the post-battle ceremony? But Tyrion's above any praise for being the key component in saving the city, aside from the Tyrell-Lannister last minute alliance and Stannis' forces thinking Loras (not in the books but in the show) was Renly's ghost and being spooked into retreating. 'You are a Lannister', so you reserve that for being said when it means Tyrion is denied any recognition for his fantastic performance as Hand of the King and yet at the same time Tywin foams at the mouth at the very idea that his unwanted son was absolutely critical to saving all he held dear and doing so in the name of the family Tywin argues to love and support for the sake of it's dynasty. What an ego-maniacal piece of shit. People gloss over Tywin's atrocities and overemphasize any small thing Tyrion does because of Charles Dance's ridiculously awesome performance but make no mistake, Tywin is a narcissistic, hypocritical heap of shit and never more so than when denying the capabilities and position of Tyrion as the most useful Lannister child, followed by Jaime and then a deep gap to Cersei.
@Anjelica Snorcket Exactly. Eye for an eye. Tywin should have been proud given how malicious and focused on creating constant vendettas Cersei is. Tywin ravaged Castamere and forced Jaime to lie to Tyrion about Tysha before forcing Tyrion to have sex with her after she'd been forced to sleep with his guards. This sounds right up his alley.
@Anjelica Snorcket He happily ordered a plethora of his guards to sexually violate a young girl one after the other, manipulated Tyrion, his SON, through his other son Jaime, into thinking this young, sweet girl he'd married was a whore only interested in him for his riches and mentally abused Tyrion, forcing him into sleeping with this girl while the latter had been lied by Tywin into thinking she was nothing more than an uncaring whore and not the one person who ever loved Tyrion for who he is. And Tywin made damn sure to emotionally and physically damage her and Tyrion forever. The man is off his trolley, only short of true lunatics like Joffrey and Ramsey who can't even disguise their atrocities, unlike Tywin who hides it into the pretence of 'family' and 'legacy', which, given his behaviour and crimes, is a crock.
@Anjelica Snorcket I didn't say you hadn't. But I have as well. And how you could have read the books and yet still choose to remain oblivious to Tywin's egomaniacal, cruel behaviour even when I've referenced examples of his spite and low cunning even against the most useful member of his family, a family he constantly claims to be doing everything in his power to assure the legacy of, is beyond me. You might do with reading those books a few more times to actually get what's going on as this is day one stuff.
@Anjelica Snorcket Good. Then we agree to disagree and leave it there.
The acting, lighting, voice acting/dubbing, camera work the choreography is just so great in such a short scene. I miss it man.
When Tywin says "And one more thing." Tyrion stops and faces him. But as soon as he hears the word "whore" he turns and continues walking, while his father is still talking. No need to hear the rest, he knows exactly what his father is going to say and that he's dead serious about it.
Lmfao you copied someone else's post. What a retard
Everytime I watch a scene like this, it makes Tywin being killed by Tyrion all the sweeter
I was actually upset when tywin died. such a man didn't deserve such an embarrassment of a death especially the book version of his death and aftermath. so sad for such a legend of a character
actually it suited him quite well. It was the ultimate worse kind of defeat for him
well, it was karma reaching him. It goes like that for all the characters. If Tyrion dies, it will be because he couldn't keep his mouth shut.
lizbennetgenova na if tyrian dies its gonna be from drowning in wine and tits.
c0cksmak lol; i hope you're right, even if that GoT line back in S2 "lady Sansa, you may survive us yet" has me concerned that he might die in the end
You can see the rage on Tywin's face when Tyrion makes his demand but he swallows it and starts off with a reasoned response about how he'll get better accomodations and a suitable position soon. THEN he unloads.
Tywin’s biggest mistake was never accepting Tyrion. This moment was his death warrant
Tywin: Jogglers deserve applause...
Also Tywin: Ride in the Throne Room on a white horse in his armor and cloak with an audience lining his path
He probably fed his horse laxatives so it would take a dump on the floor.
😂
@@maggiesmith856 hahaha
For myth-building and the resulting political leverage, not for emotional satisfaction
Well he was kind of a hypocrite
One day, while Tywin sits on the privy, he will regret those words.
I don't think he regretted being shitty to Tyrion. He regretted not killing him. He wasn't really surprised by the whole situation. His last thoughts were probably like: "I fucking knew it was coming. Fucking Tyrion, should have smothered him in the crib...".
He was like “Let’s chill out! (Then secretly kill u)”
Oddly specific
Just as I regretted eating Taco Bell
Even tho its been awhile, you should never speak such words out loud, people could hear ! you.
It would be blasphemous if the prophesy was spoiled by such in impotent whelp such as yourself.
Charles Dance does brilliantly well with these regal type roles. The tone of his voice commands respect and fear. I loved the fact he voiced Emyr in the witcher 3 too. Just another perfect casting.
Can you imagine how differently things would have played out if Tywin had just given Tyrion Casterly Rock
“Seven Kingdoms to look after, and Three of them are in open rebellion”
Tywin just epitomes power.
Charles Dance was so upset with the way he spoke to Peter dinklage he hugged him after they shot this scene
madandy2008 awwwwwwww that’s sweet
fck man!!! how did tyrion not cry or even shed a tear?!..those words are like knife stabbing a heart then twist it.🥺😭
Everyone always talks about how smart and badass Tywin was, which is true. But he was also an evil hypocrite full of irrational hatreds and bigotries, his lack of control over which caused his doom.
That's why I'll always prefer the book version of Tywin, even if Charles Dance's acting is incredible. Book Tywin is a massive hypocrite, and that's the whole point of his character. He enjoys whores just like Tyrion (who do you think built the secret tunnel to reach the brothel in King's Landing), he is as insecure and vengeful as Tyrion, using gratuitous violence to heal his wounded pride, etc.
This less than 5 minute long scene makes me feel more than all of the seventh and half the eighth season (released so far) combined.
Lierrr ;^;
Garbage ass retcon nonsense. There are plenty of awesome dialogues in both seasons but whatevs
Ofcourse noone on the show compares to Charles Dance I can agree on that
Seeing where this series was and how it ended is almost sickening. Such a powerful scene
Almost? It is sickening.
so saaad:(
I had this feeling in the last few seasons , something just didn’t feel right with the characters. Then I found out there was no more book material. D&D were only good at taking important pieces from a great book and making good scenes from that.
Interestingly, despite Tywins general lack of regard for Tyrions amazing accomplishments and sacrifices, and his weird control over Tyrions sex life, instead of Casterly Rock he gave Tyrion…the North.
Gotta admit thats a hell of a bauble to make up for not getting Casterly Rock.
You do really get the impression if they were just on the same page and if the Red Wedding wasn't involved this was a hell of an olive branch between them. But then again it wouldn't be this story wouldn't it.
What Tywin did to Tyrions first wife was so cruel they didn't even keep it in the show. Tywin broke him and then hated him for being broken. It's really awful to listen to this scene and the scene with Oberyn telling Tyrion about when he first met him as a baby.
Im here for the real Game of Thrones
Watches this scene
*Perfection*
I want the real Game of Thrones.
Season 8
THE REAL GAME OF THRONES.
Seasons 1-6
Perfection.
Twice Fans Channel Ros: can you pass me my robe.
Us: have you ever tried to clothe a whore?
@Twice Fans Channel The real Game of Thrones
Seasons 1 to 6
PERFECTION
You should have been better to your son Tywin