BEWARE: Ownership Costs of BMW R1200/1250 GS/A
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- čas přidán 17. 06. 2024
- In this video I describe my experience in the ownership costs of the BMW R1200GS Rallye. These costs included the high price for service and the frequent tire changes required to keep this motorcycle reliable. I also talk about the cost of repairing this motorcycle after the front front ESA shock started leaking. Thankfully, it was under warranty for a few more months. The cost of ownership can applied to the new R1250GS and the GSA. These bikes are expensive to maintain and I talk about what I have learned over the last three years of adventure motorcycle riding.
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It was brought to my attention the valve adjustment can be completed without any special tools. There are is a good tutorial on how to do it a R1200RT. Unfortunately, when I did my research I missed this and found several places that referred to a BMW specific tool.
The GS platform is the most widely used today, for play time and aggressive pursuits. It can boast the most widely situated service in the world.
@@jalexandr55 the GS platform has many variations. I agree they everywhere. Each with its own associated ownership costs. The G310GS of course will be less expensive to own than the new R1250GS. Depending how you ride it the costs will greatly vary. I was trying inform riders out there planning to ride it aggressively that it will have large associated cost. No different than any big adventure bike, but I don't have experience on other brands, yet.. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I gotcha. I have recently seen these videos as well. The guy I'm thinking of buying from has a technician come service his at his shop. So he will get me in contact with him to keep things going so no need for long drives to a dealer. I'm also looking at a 2020 triumph tiger 1200. A top heavy bike doesn't bother me since I'm coming off of a zx 14r
I have 112,000 miles on my GSA. I've ridden in any environment you can imagine. And I absolutely smash it off road. I've crashed it hard once, and got hit by a car another time. The bike is parked outside in the weather, I don't have a garage. I do all my own maintenance in the driveway. I'm still on original shocks, water pump and clutch. My maintenance costs have been minimal.
I run Anake 3s for tires, you'd be surprised how far they'll get you off road.
I run Rotella T6 for oil, you can get a gallon of it at Wallmart for $25.
I haven't adjusted my valves in over 75,000 miles. Don't care, runs fine.
The only part that failed was a drive shaft at 76,000 miles.
If I crashed this bike, I would immediately get another one without even thinking.
What year are you riding? I prefer to do proper maintenance. Many have suggested using Rotel but it's not meant for wet clutches and motorcycle transmissions. It's great if it works but it's not formulated for motorcycles. Non-ESA suspensions seem to last a bit longer. Not sure what year of bike you have, but I am personally aware of several watercooled GSs that had leaky shocks. Glad your bike has ran so well for you.
I would do the same Ilya, maintenance on these bikes is easy to do if you have the interest and patience to get the job done. For the price the dealer charges you could save yourself huge money if you do it yourself. I have a 1100 GS, it's bulletproof and I do almost all repairs on it myself.
@@advmatt I have 2015, ESA shocks, Rotella T6 works fine.
@@ilyafilru yeah I have never had a valve out of spec on my R bikes.. I no have an s1000xr now. We will see how that goes. I'm not a rev bommber though.
Did you lube the drive shaft or was it ignored
I have a lot of respect for you Matt for being able to speak openly about the issues about 1250GS....a lot of owners get possessed once they buy one and say only (best in the world...best in the world...best in the world...)...you are providing an authentic perspective of a true adventurer who is going out to explore instead of sitting in a starbucks bragging about how shinny is the bike
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. It can be risky being honest instead of glowing about bikes.
Hey Matt. Awesome Vid. Super helpful and informative. Well done for taking the time to explain your (cost) journey.
I literally bought a 2nd hand identical bike to yours only 2wks ago!
I too was completely and utterly sold on the BMW R1200GS and finally took the plunge after weeks of CZcams’ing. I can honestly say, I don’t recall one negative review... and I’ve watched 100’s!! Regardless, this is going to be my next hobby/adventure and I’m going in to it with (cost) eyes wide open. What your review has done for me is steer me to a more touring and forest roads bias, so thank you for that. Stay safe and keep up the great work!
Very informative and lots of stuff to think about. I'm glad I saw this and very glad you made it.
Beautiful review , and awesome bike. It's nice to see a breakdown on the cost of ownership of the bmw GS.
Mechanics that ride should do more reviews like these, its been 4 days researching for realistic and informative reviews. Thanks Matt, one of the best reviews Ive seen.
Thanks, it has made some BMW owners mad. This was my experience with this bike.
Great review I have enquired on other reviews about maintenance up cost. Sometimes things can like service reminder is a joke. Keep up the good reviews.
I have a 2010 GS with 80,000 miles and it’s been very inexpensive to maintain. The valves are easy to adjust and everything thing else is a snap. This bike has been rock solid although I did upgrade to Ohlins suspension and I replaced a leaking fuel fitting. The only time it’s been in the shop was for the tank recalls. My bike was a demo and I paid $14,000 for it. The biggest expense is the accessories but that’s true with any bike. I have a CZcams channel also, I’ll do a full review next month.
I think the oil head 1200GS is a better bike. Less to go wrong, and seems to have less long term problems. Keep on riding your bike.
ADV Matt, this is a wonderful review, very informative, and I learned a lot. Kudos to you for admitting your mistakes (been there!) and sharing your repair & maintenance costs. I own two BMW GSs, both used (with low mileage) and got the cheaper, lighter one before making the financial plunge into the 1200GS. Also took motorcycle mechanics classes so I can repair my bike when I am far from a mechanic shop, so for minor repairs/maintenance, I do those myself at the mechanics shop that offers classes. For major work, the bike goes to the BMW dealer.
Have owned several BMW cars (M5 and 3-series), so I was familiar with the costs of BMW ownership. Ironically, my Prius is the best car I've ever owned and have no desire to ever own a BMW car again--except "maybe" their electric cars.
Recently retired and gifted myself these "adventure" bikes and took off on long-distance travels! More than 10,000 miles in 12 months, mostly along twisty SCENIC roads (avoiding major highways) and do very few off-road riding.
I considered other motorcycles (Honda 500x, VStrom 650 & Triumph), but after doing cost-benefit analysis, the BMW GSs won. The 700GS came out, actually, as the better deal in comparison.
In sum, very few folks give detailed info as you did. Very few also are willing to admit their mistakes! It always raised my eyebrows when other reviewers note that BMW GSs have 1) high maintenance costs and 2) (gasp!) are not too reliable. Your video provided support for that view.
Thanks for info on the COSTS of your forks and shocks--WOW.
Many thanks again.
Thanks for your honesty in this review!!!
Thank you for your analysis on the costs! Very helpful on my decision making process for a new adventure touring.
I recommend doing a similar cost analysis on any bike you are looking at. The smaller the bike the cheaper to operate.
Great review. I’m glad I can do my own maintenance and I did buy the GS-911 wifi tool 😀. Fair call on limiting the rough stuff. It will take its toll eventually.
I think I would do the maintenance if I was retired. However, I’d pay for my time on the weekends and on holidays in order to get more time doing what I want.
Interesting video.
I do some of the work on my BMW, sort of like you I can check the valves, but not sure if I feel up to doing the work if they need adjustment. I'm not as hard off road as you, so my tire costs are less. As for the suspension, there are plenty of places that do BMW rebuilds out there, with OEM parts. So I do what I can to keep my costs down. Also my nearest dealer is 250km away. So that alone helps motivate me to do what I can. That being said, I have been happy with the work my dealer has done for me, and at a fair price.
I always knew it would be more that say a Honda, but like you it was my dream bike.
Keep up the good work.
You are right, everyone tells good things into reviews, but they never say about the sides expenses. Thanks for sharing.
All motorcycle are costly today. All the extras like fuel injection, ABS brakes, water pumper, etc. Also dealers convince people you have to use there oil or filter. Which is bull.
Just use decent oil with proper grade and a filter you would bring cost way down.
Had all types of bike European, American, and made in Japan.
Drove over 54 yrs. Motorcycle daily. Even bad weather.
Loved them all but I prefer old standard.
I drive and own a 1964 Ural with sidecar so much fun carving the corners and off roading. Also a old Harley Ironhead chop
hardtail love the bouncy frame, both easy to work on, also cheap on parts unless you buy fancy goodies.
No fancy goodies for me well weathered and beaten. Also build a VW trike from a square back VW frame and a hardtail modified frame butted together, nice and short only fork sticks out quite a ways.
@@bert5209 nice
Thank you very much for that elaborate explanation. What I have liked about you is that you speak the truth, you are not like these other guys who only mention the advantages and fail to talk about the disadvantages. I wanted to order one in January 2022 for my trip to Kenya. Your explanation has changed my thinking and perception about R1200GS. Please give me some light on a cost-effective bike can buy for my trip.Thank you and be blessed
I think the Honda Africa Twin is a really good bike. The KTM 890 Adventure is also a really good bike for about the same cost. It really depends on the type of rising of riding you plan to do. Good luck making your choice. All these bikes are really good. Cheers.
Nice heads up for my GSA I bought last year. Having owned numerous German cars, I'm not surprised about maintenance costs for the bike.
Very informative video...thank you for your insights...i'm in the market for a motorcycle and like the, Yamaha Super Tenere 1200. Your video help me realize a few things I did not consider.
I’m very glad that I watched your video. I was going to get this bike. Thank you very much.
Thanks Matt for your advice as a prospective owner
Enjoyed the video. I am in similar situation. Rallye just going to be for touring and looking for something else for trails.look forward to seeing your plans. Nick
Thank you for this candid review of ownership cost. I have ridden this and many similar bikes. My V-strom650 cost me less than $5k with 1,349 miles on it . $1500 in farkles/armor and 25,000 miles on/off road later, no issues. Home oil change is less than $20, I've done all fluid changes and brakes myself without issue. I ride with a friend on a 1200GSA who is understandably concerned about devaluing it by riding offroad. I believe he's had 3 warranty repairs in about a year of ownership. I wouldn't trade straight across if I had to keep it. BMW is a better bike, but less reliable, 100 pounds heavier, more complicated and waaay more expensive. Not enough better to justify the the cost imo. I can truly afford either, but I'm pragmatic and seek value over status.
I love my V Strom 1000!! great bike, cheap oil, change my own brakes....which i tend to stay off of - using the engine to slow down.....And easy to fix the chain...Oh, btw, I found it in Newport Beach, CA, 6000 miles on her, 2999.00...on Ebay...what a deal!! lol never ever buy new....Retail is for suckers...
I ride my gs because I enjoy riding it. I don’t ride it for status. I don’t ride dirt and gravel roads in the middle of nowhere to try and show it off. No one is out there. As far as riding it off road of course it’s not a dual sport and you are going to rack up repair costs quick if you treat it like one. It’s a adv touring bike and if you stay in the lane of what it was made for it’s a fabulous bike. I have smashed it into trees and laid it over more times than I can count. It’s not a fairy princess that faints at the first sign of danger but it’s not a kLR either.
@Branion Woody I'm glad you found what best works for you, it's a great bike for sure!
Since I wrote that earlier reply I've put about 24,000 miles on my new/used SuperTenere ES. Under $10,000, cruise control, throttle and tc modes, electronic suspension, shaft drive. It's a great bike.... for me.
@@got_to_roll S10 is the most underrated big bore adv imo. Reliable to a fault.
Nice video ! Cracking weather ! Dappled light 👍
Ok man no off reading for me! Awesome review bro. Ride safe!
Thank you for this video. I was thinking about getting this bike. Currently I own Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 ES and I have decided to stick with it since it has little to no maintenance.
Thx mate!
Just sold my Tiger 800 XCa and was planning to get Tiger 900 RP. But there is a waiting list for them... So I find 2018 R1200GS Rally, for fair price, and was already considered to get it.
But your video helped me to stick to original plan, waiting for 900RP.
Thanks 👍
I have just changed my tiger 800xcx for the 900 rally pro, excellent bikes but 900 is brilliant, BMW to tall for me....
Great video, very eye opening but appreciated
The points you make is why I purchased a Yamaha Super Tenete in 2014...great bike very reliable. I do oil and tyre changes myself. Got close to 10k miles out of a set of Mitas E07 Dakars...just changed them to E09's. But, while it's a very capable BDR bike, it's too big for my ability.... so I'm looking forward to getting a Tenere t700 and eventually using that for long term RTW travel
Glad I watched this. Thanks for the video
Great video. I love the GSA and was just about to pull the trigger on one after about 3 years of shopping. Then I found a 2016 KTM1290SAT. I fell in love!!! The power is absolutely insane. Fairly easy to wrench on yourself. Oil change @ 6k intervals. DIY with Amsoil about $60. 18k mi valve check/adjustment. Service reminders are easiy reset using handlebar controls. Comes standard with side panniers, crash bars, cruise, heated grips and seats. I am running K60 Scouts and getting around 12 to 15k on the front and 10k on the rear. I do 80/20, on/off road. It is chain drive and I am not a big fan of the maintenance associated with that, but I'm used to it now. Also chains are fairly inexpensive. I have heard the fuel pumps are problematic in these bikes. I carry a spare aftermarket in the pannier just in case. Can be easily replaced road/trailside with some basic tools. I do love the GS and think they look so much better than KTM but I am really impressed with this 1290SA.
KTM 1290 SAs are great bikes. You have a nice setup, and ownership costs dont sound too bad.
Best review for any big bore adventure
Very informative thank you for sharing
Thank you for sharing your information.
Thanks for your review, it's made me think more about my next bike. I was confused but now I'm just not sure.
Knowing the ownership costs is something nobody talks about. Over time it can be a huge factor. I let the marketing hype influence me. It's hard not to. No bike is perfect for all types of riding. I think the Japanese bikes offer the best value.
Looking for a used 2019-2021 GS/GSA and found your vid. I have owned enough bikes to understand the cost of ownership and how some bikes are more expensive than others to service and maintain. I have avoided BMW for that and other reasons. Things change and am now considering a used one. I can see you took some undeserved heat from the cultists. That part of motorcycle culture lives in all brands. And perhaps even more so in the brands that are expensive since owners have a higher financial commitment. Thank you for sharing and being honest and I will look at your more recent vids.
I'm glad I stumbled across your video you opened my eyes wide open because I'm definitely or I was thinking about buying a GS. I think you're right I think I'm going to look at the Japanese bikes thanks for the video very informative. 🤔👍👀
Very nice owners perspective of the bike
Awesome video--thank you.
Matt, thanx buddy....fantastic video!!
Glad you found it helpful.
Great review Matt. I too have found the cost of owning my 2009 gs a bit off putting when having to take it to a dealer. But they do a good job of keeping it up to spec.(69,000km) So they just had a recall of the fuel pump, which i arranged to have them pick up the bike (added cost).Its winter here in Canada, and i am 90km out of town for the dealer. Then they called saying the front fork was leaking and needed a new seal. And a rear tire ( more cost) so it will be a costly month. I have started to do my own oil changes, but things like this is out of my hands. I love the bike and have had many adventures with it and it has been a sturdy horse. I am looking too upgrade to the 1250 in the future and i can truly believe it will be more of a cost than my current gs. I will beware of course but... love the bike and brand.
Given the reputation of BMW cars and their expensive maintenance I wondered if their moto division suffered the same fate. Thanks for your honesty and confirming that
Great review! I've dreamed about owning a GSA for years, and recently (2 years) those dreams include a ktm 1290 super adventure. And the reality of ownership costs Id consider the African twin, but feel I would cry internally at the lack of power. I currently ride a Ninja 1000. I like the torque. Some day I'll make up my mind on a adventure bike, but your video definitely has left me with a lot to think about moving forward.
I had an Africa Twin. Really good bike. No amount of money will make it a KTM. I Bought an 1090 adventure r. Awesome bike. This spring I bought a 1290 adventure r. Zero regrets. And yes I go off-road. It is heavy and I do dump it. The power is orgasmic. 4 th gear power wheelies at 60 is worth the trade off for me at least. Just my 2 cents.
ATs are great bikes. I was considering it prior to buying the GS, if only I could go back and do it again.
Matt, you touched on it later in the video but I wanted to highlight a few things. After reading the comments to the post I think many people are taking the R1200GS off their list when they shouldn't. My advice is: Know your use profile for any vehicle.
The use profile of the vehicle is very important to selecting and maintaining a vehicle properly. For serious off-road use ANY heavyweight motorcycle will go through tires and other parts such as shocks, bearings, etc. It is simply the amount of weight you are carrying around that causes more tire wear as well as general wear and tear. The joy of the R1200GS is that it is extremely capable on the road and the dirt, but it is not a 500-800cc class motorcycle built more for off-roading. In fact, I think the R1200GS is the best all-around motorcycle likely ever made. Yes, I own one....
I have owned my latest R1200GS for 3 years (purchased new), and my costs for service are far less because I do all my own work. Yes, the BMW oil is ridiculously expensive (and I do use it reluctantly), but there are so many other brands that are much more cost effective and come with the same ratings. I am planning on changing over to one of them the next oil change. I change my own rear-end oil, do my own spline grease, and everything else. I do own the GS911 and love it and can re-sell it for almost what I paid for it if I ever wanted to. I do not do any serious off-roading with the R1200GS motorcycle and my maintenance has been down to oil, filter and I did change the plugs. After owning many other motorcycle brands, I cannot complain about the cost of ownership other than the silly expensive oil. Everything is a consumable on a motorcycle especially off-roading....
My suggestion to anyone reading this is that if you are planning to do serious off-roading, especially if its 30-60% of your riding, get a lighter more nimble bike that is "good enough" to get to where you will be riding. You will not be as happy on the motorways as on a big ADV but off-road you will be far more happy. If you want to load the motorcycle down like Ewan and Charlie and go motoring across the continent at 80+ MPH and be able to handle off roading and maybe even some bad off-road stuff for short periods then a 500-800cc class motorcycle is not your use profile. It is always a trade off.
By the way, I am huge fan of the BMW F800GS for a lighter weight off-road capable motorcycle that is still good on the highways. Go try it out.
My R1200GS fits my use profile perfectly and it will be in my stable for a long time. Way past its warranty date (which just passed).
@J Wonder well said - buy for what you plan to do. I’m seriously looking at the R1200GS, F800GS and the Africa Twin. Most of my riding is putting around my small valley on the Western Slope of the Rockies, but 3-4 times a year, I pack up my camping gear and jump on the bike and head out for 7-10 days. We will hit 60-70% street and the remainder is dirt. My VStrom has done well, but I’d like 20 more HP on the freeways and an inch or two more suspension off-road. Decisions, decisions.
What about the R1250R maintenance I'm strictly a road Rider I'm considering getting one but is that the same thing cost a lot more than the regular bike the reason I'm concerned that motorcycle no bulshit chain maintenance in an outstanding Performance Bike but is it a rip-off maintenance wise
Thanks for your honesty, and being candid ! Most BMW owners will not talk ! I bought an R1150RT in 2004. Man, that was piece of spending that I regret. The bike is doing 68,000kms, and I have had ABS failure, installed a Chinese starter(better than the original whose magnets crumbled), muffler bracket breaking twice, fuel pump failure, Taillight dropping off and being crushed by the rear wheel, condensation in the headlight for the first 3 years until I discovered the problem, rear brake cotter-pin dropping out, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Never will I buy any European bike again. The Japanese have taught the world about motor vehicles.............................................and I did learn !! Trinidad & Tobago.
Good sincere review thumbs 👍
Great review. Thank you for the rest of the story. Eye opening. Ride safe.
Thanks, as I was looking for an old used GS 1200.
As they say, if you can’t buy it twice, you can’t afford it... and yes always buy second hand and do ALL the maintenance yourself, no dealer will work on your bike the way you would! Oh, and don’t get your parts from the BMW dealer... go straight to the supplier (SKF, Maher etc...)
Very good advice.
...and join the local BMW club.
Everyone is in the same boat and you can buy or swap kit and spares as well as get advice or even hook up with people who regularly do roadside and repairs at home. There's a wealth of knowledge and ready hands to assist.
Absolutely with you on that, just finished the major service on the 1200 GSA I’ve got and it’s been done plus of course the drive shaft splines which the dealerships don’t look at. So much for maintenance free drive line.. valve clearance check and adjust was easy enough to do.
Great video. Thanks!
Great info on especially the tires...smh. This explains why the dealer doesn't have the meaty tires are not stock on the floor. The 3k mile replacement can be an annoying factor.
Congratulation for your video. I live in Brazil, and own a GS/A 1200 with more than 100.000 miles. You may add also to your list a complete clutch overhaul every 30.000 miles.
Right on Matt! I loved my GS 1200 but the costs were driving me nuts and I was very concerned about breakage and what parts cost. I had a KLR 650 and my GS. Sold them both and bought a Yamaha T700. Not as comfortable as a touring bike but gets the job done. Still tweaking for comfort on long road trips. Great off road. Valve adjust is at 24,000 miles and most the other stuff I can do myself so should be much less to maintain.
I have been considering the T700 too for those reasons. I think the GS will also be gone in six months or so. You have a great bike. Cheers
Heard from a mechanic that Israel Police were replacing F800/850GS with T700, but reversed course due to higher operating costs.
@Liberty Tree Agree, but the guy seemed quite credible when I met him in Utah. He was riding a heavily loaded V-Strom that he owns from Seattle to SF, where he's going to mooch storage until he can return for another adventure. He gets military service credit for volunteering as a mechanic with Israel Police. He rides R1200GS in Tel Aviv. I have his picture, but not his name.
you are comparing a gs with a t700? 😀
To maintain a premium product, requires maintenance. I feel your pain! Life is expensive if you want quality products!
There are so many good adventure bikes now it is hard to justify the cost of these bikes now, but they are fun to ride.
I purchased a ‘20 Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro. I’ve put 26k miles on it in 14 months of adventure riding at the cost of $6,000+ in maintenance. I’ve had no repair costs. What you’ve estimated in costs is actually a savings to me. I have a T7 that I am loving for my type of riding. But, I am looking for a used GSA for my primarily pavement pounding travel. Thanks for sharing!
Good review mate. Must admit you got me a little bit worried about buying one of these. Costs may be less expensive for mostly toad riding but still making me consider holding onto my vstrom 1000 for a few more years since I don’t do any proper off roading and strom is fine for dirt “roads” lol
The GSs do make really good road bikes. The balance of the bike makes it really fun for riding canyons. Offroad riding adds so much wear tear to any bike. Staying on the roads with this bike will still provide lots of fun riding, but everything for the bike will have a premium price. Thanks for watching.
Great video. I was thinking about this bike, leaning more towards Yamaha Tenere.
It's good to go into a big decision like this with your eyes wide open. Either way you will be riding!
Very honest review..now I know other people just doing marketing for bmw...that's it this hidden stuff they don't tell.
Respect for telling it how it is... impressive bikes that’s for sure. I ride a lot of off pavement stuff, don’t need or want the weight of a 1250 let alone the GSA... I chose the F850GS for less weight, cost and maintenance. It is more capable off road than the 1250 and fits my needs perfectly at less than 1/2 the cost of the big dog. I regularly ride with guys on the 1250s who struggle with them in off road situations. They really are just big tourers. Cheers from Canada
Agree! I have owned a 2017 F800GS for 2 years (first 3 owners put 600 miles on it, I have 25K) and done Trans-Lab and MABDR among others. My costs are very reasonable because I DIY everything. I use Rotella T6 15W-40 oil at 1/5 the price and MAHLE filters (same as BMW). Recently I rented a R1250GS and took it on Moki Dugway and all of the Burr Trail among others. I loved the big bike on the highway, but would prefer my mid-weight for the gravel and sand anytime. I have postponed the valve check (no start/power issues) but will do it this winter. Tires cost almost as much as gasoline, but insurance can cost much more and I skip it, except as required by law. Hotels would top it all, so I camp, usually for free. KTM might be a better choice than BMW next time, if age or injury don't get me. I don't think the Honda/Yamaha ADV bikes are cheap, tough and reliable.
Hey Weaver, do you ever ride 2 up with the 850? Wondering if there is enough power and carrying capacity for 2up?
@@alwynallan same question to you Peter. Do you ever ride 2up on the 800? Enough power and carrying capacity for 2?
@@SteelHorse1015 40 miles total 2 up so far, and she's 110 pounds. It's a bonus and I wouldn't leave asphalt. Power is never an issue for me, but the F800GS gets wobbly feeling above 90mph, and the R1250GS was solid to 130mph and felt like it could take more. I've read it's the big front wheel, but it could be the lack of a steering damper, that the big bike includes.
@@SteelHorse10152 up is strained under 1000cc.
Matt, Totally agree with the points you have made. I bought a replacement rear shock on eBay. £200 for the shock and £150 to have it fitted at a back street service shop. Huge risk but it worked out and took me from 65,000 to 88,000 miles before I replaced it, the bike that is. The one thing you did not mention was the fog lights. Theses were costing me £200 a year after warranty as on average I found they each failed once a year. For reference I was doing 18:000 miles a year with some off road. For tyres I found continental TKC 70’s a good compromise. Alan
I didn't realize the fog lights failed so frequently, I dont have them. I am trying TKC70s now on my KTM 390 Adventure and love them. Thanks for watching. Ride safe.
I get up to 9000 out of the TKC70s and in the UK I have paid over £500 for a BMW service. If you do high mileage they are always changing pads and disks.
I had one back street repair shop change my pads. 6 weeks / 3000 miles later a tyre dealer said your pads are nearly out mate. When I challenged the guy who fitted them he said you must ride with your foot on the brake. Funny how I have never done that before or since. I reckon he either did not fit new pads, or fitted really cheap ones, of used some that had some life left. He did not expect someone to burn through them in 6 weeks and hot foot it back. Most bikers take a year or more to do 3000.
Just bought a new Rallye GSA. Amazing to ride. Have fitted Denali lights. One BMW fog light failed in the first three months. Still in warranty of course.
I was loooking at a GS since thet ARE great bikes. I did check into maintenence onle reallly because I was going to buy a BMW car and that maintenence cost is higher than most, Is it worth it? I would say in most cases it is if it is truly the bike you want. What did I do? a 2014 Suzuki Vstrom bought new. Over the years continue to add things depending on riding. First it was more road, then vounteered as a trail rider for a back country riding group so set it u more for that. They are a very changeable platform proven all over the world. It was economical to purchase and maintain. It is very easy to work on also. It is always one of the top ten touring bikes where the GS is usually number one. My bike gets me anywhere I want to go right with the GSs. I am definitely NOT a bike snob, get a bike and ride it where you want to go. I would not discourage anyone from the GS but would say there are great alternatives. In these years of riding year round in weather the only thing I replaced was the battery after 5 years as it was getting week. Tires, fluis, brakes are part of normal maintenance but significantly less expensive than the GS and can use a variety of parts/fluids as most Japanese bikes share those things across brands. I love ADV riding in my retirement years but I am a retired police officer so NOT a very large rerirement package but the Vstrom gets me out exploring and back home again just like most of the others will as well as the GS. Keep riding and be safe my friend, maybe see you out there somewhere!
Best advice I was told: buy what you can afford. Know that any toy will cost you money. All motorcycles will cost $$$. Don't buy new. Let the first owner or two do all the upgrades because there plenty of people who spend the bucks upfront only to lose out when they think they need the next new thing.
That's good advice. It is hard to find a bike that does everything, and is easy to grow with. When the type of riding changes it is not always easy to adapt. I got caught up in "legendary" reliability. It is no different from any other bike. Things break.
@@advmatt Legendary reliability - and what is the combine switch made of? It's the same as on street BMW bikes, made of sh.t - photos.app.goo.gl/aq445mNMJLy9YmcS6 mine broke far away from home, I was brutal and finally just connected wires - czcams.com/video/mSDBwKclgpI/video.html - now, when I spent quite a money on rear shock recently, I'm not happy to spend next $$ for new switch, so I made very ugly repairement... which so far works :) czcams.com/video/Tyz6cSGLO8U/video.html
Good luck finding a decent used one in 2022.
Thank you for a very honest review. Highly appreciate it!
That's why it's a good idea to buy a NC750X.
Everything you said is true in my experience. Good info and perspective.
The rate I go through tyres was the big shock for me! My car and bike have similar mileage, still on the first set of car tyres but have given up counting how many tyres I have gone through on the GS.....
Thanks for that ADV Matt. Great overview. Off topic, but - can you tell me what that soft tail bag is please. Thanks
The tail bag is a Givi bag, I did a video on it for more details.
@@advmatt thanks for that detail. I'll go and check out that video. Cheers
Thank you. I've been very curious what the maintenance costs were associated with the GS.
Hi Matt! Very nive video, thanks. Your bike is splendid, in fact I used to ride GS's, I've had a few. But since the new LC they are now too heavy, too expensive. Buy an Africa Twin :)
My thoughts exactly.
Great video.
Awesome video man, I really was thinking of buying a GS but now I going to look another option beautiful bike bike but a endless money pit.
All bikes are endless money pits. Especially once you get into 1200 bikes with tons of features.
why?
@@szeriman13 Why what? What about this is confusing to you? Lets compare a 500 motorcycle to a 1200 adv bike. 500 bike bare bones maybe abs, fairings not terribly expensive, bike not heavy no big deal, not many fluids. Now lets look at giant pinnacle machines. More fluids, more electronics, higher rated tires to carry two people and 3 loaded cases, even so tires wear much faster. Skid plate for a CB500X is like $150 a skid plate for a 1200 is more like $400. More to break, crash a headlight on a rock middle weight bike ehh $200 assy, on a 1200 $600. Much more gas used, mid weight 60-70mpg, 1200 38-42mpg. Brake pads and rotors small bike one rotor front vs 2 on big bikes. Not to mention the plethora of tech and associated wiring to make it work. ABS, TCS, ride by wire digital throttle, multiple ride modes, electronic suspension, etc.
I think most people go into motorcycles like children, they think sweet I'mma buy a bike and a helmet and I'm good. WRONG! front tire $150, rear tire $200, new brake pads $150, valve adjustment and routine insp/mx at dealer $500, etc. Hard cases for that big ass ADV bike with the racks to mount them $1400. Those sick ass TKC80s everyone's running that look so killer riding to Starbucks yah a rear is $150 so cheaper than a touring tire sure but it only lasts 2K miles before it's squared off so if you actually ride you'll go through half a dozen in a season. If you actually off road you'll tear up shock seals, bend rims, smashes plastics, bend handlebars and destroys controls.
I found the costs of service very good especially compared to the Ducati Multistrada that I sold to buy a 1200GSA. I do the services myself because it’s so simple, only have to take it into a specialist BM mechanic for valve clearance and brake flush which cost $200 Aus. No chains and sprockets also a bonus.
Ooh okay cos i was almost turn off whn i watched this video buh am a big fun tho it’s a dream bike for me
Its worth it to get motoscan app for abs and brakes fluid flush. Valves are one of the easiest bikes to work them on. But yeah, I do everything myself - the beemer been pretty much the cheapest bike Ive owned (2011, 2014 gs). Brake pads go fast tho.
I was thinking of selling my K1600 for a GSA because I like doing dirt and exploring. If I was only staying on rod, I’d go with the K1600. It’s a beast and a surprisingly quick peg-scraper.
i still do absolutely love my gsa1250..!! i do ride less miles per year than you do, good review though!
I think my add-on mods cost more than my adventure bike 😏 ... Top vid with some financial factual truths. 👍
I've always bought used but plan to buy a new 1250GS so I can at least have one new bike in my lifetime...as this will be my last bike I'm sure. Not sure why you didn't mention an extended warranty, since that seems like a good option in this case. Sterling Noren did a video recently and in it mentioned that he had purchased a 5-year unlimited mileage extended warranty through a company called RPM One, which he thought cost him $1200. A lot of money for sure, but easily worth it in Sterling's shaft drive issue, and the suspension issues you mention. Great breakdown of all the ownership costs, so thanks for doing a video on that!!!
I just saw Sterling's video. I wasn't aware of being able extend the warranty on my bike and I get slammed with spam calls for extended warranties and have trouble trusting them. I may look into it.
Interesting video. Initial cost is high but all bikes are expensive. And then the costs add up the protection plates and bars are needed on every bike so this shouldn't be a big surprise. I think that everyone should take time to learn how to do maintenance to save some money. And remember that if you need a tool, just buy it. Then you have it forever. Service reminders can just be ignored. Watch your mileage like we used to.. sometimes you gotta pay to play.
I moved to a smaller adventure bike. More fun than the big bike at a fraction of the cost. I am not sure premium is worth it.
Hello. Great channel. Really can feel honest opinion, not sales man. Thanks. I own Honda x adv 750, I had big smile on my face when you said costs of ownership..... One day I will own big gs... when I'm loaded! Hahaha for now xadv does it all even Offroad. For me best bike for now!
Yep, cost of ownership requires expanding the unit of analysis (and performance indicators) beyond the purchase price. Clearly identifying and ranking the variables that calculating “cost of ownership” requires would be interesting.
I so appreciate your candor. I want to get one of these, but I’m probably just wanting the experience and make some friends; but in the end nobody likes broke friends!
You can make friends riding any bike. There are lots of riding groups out there. It doesnt matter what you ride. These are fun bikes to ride but not cheap. Thanks for watching.
Sounds like the bike is so capable, reliable and comfortable for the long distance adventure riding and take you everywhere you like. Glad to know you had a lot of good time riding and the bike wasn’t sitting in the garage or repair shop most of the time. 3 years 60,000 kms off road adventure riding with only front suspension repaired…that sounds pretty decent to me. We change fork oil and seals more frequently than that. All those consumable items oil, tyre, brake pads would apply to all other loaded bikes too, and luckily you don’t have to clean and replace chain and sprockets. Smaller bikes are cheaper but there will be compromises too. Affordable and fit the purpose...way to go
Service price for me: around 280 for the small service and 400 for the bigger service. I do have to say the price for service on my 2019 was around 40% higher than my 2013. For comparison, the service cost I've experienced is between half and a quarter of what my collegues and friends pay to have their ducati Multistrada serviced or for a Harley.
Since I mainly use mine for professional use (highway and city) I do between 16000 and 18000 km on a set of tires on my GSA. I use streettires. Brakepads on the front last me 40000 km and on the rear 30000 km. I've not had aditional costs. If I had they were covered on waranty/revision.
Oh, and my bike is tax deductible, so the expenses aren't that bad.
And offroad: my GSA is to heavy for me to really take it offroad. I prefer to call it an allroad. But it is ideal for a 1000km trip in a day. A visit different sites for work while avoiding traffic (splitting lanes is legal here).
Both shock absorbers are rebuildable, for 200 EUR/shock + shipping. Most users think they're non rebuildable, but they are.
Just that there are maybe 2 shops in Europe which can do that, your average suspension shop does not have what's needed for a rebuild on these.
I however, do not plan on keeping mine out of the warranty period, which I extended to 5 years.
Good idea to keep warranty extended. I didnt have that option. Good to know about the rebuild. Thanks.
I totally agree with your position on limited off road. Good information 👍
This is why I never got one and why I sold my Ducati
How do you like your Goldwing?
This is an excellent vid, and hugely helpful. Thank you! I was considering the f 750 gs, and I assume the overpriced maintenance applies to all the BMW motorcycle models to varying degrees. Therefore I’m thinking of getting a different brand.
Great reminder for why NOT to buy a BMW and why there are always 1000's of used GSA's on the market.
Good candid review.. beautiful bike, sort of like being responsible for a Bavarian princess. One shock equals half the price of my low tech REH.. I'll have the blue plate special thanks, pass the beans and hold the caviar..
Aprilia v4 valve adjustment $900ish. About $75 for do it yourself oil change with the best Motul oil.
I've known my mechanic so long that he refused to do the V Strom service...Knowing it was a rip off!
liked the video!... I am just starting out ...just a couple of shake down camping trips in the last year... You forgot to add in Insurance.... for me it's $350/year (full coverage) ... other normal costs (Shinko 705 tires, brake pads, chain, sprockets oil, coolant and filters) this year so far $750... next year (12 months and projected 5000+/_ miles) another $350 insurance and $750+misc ...say $1200/year or $100/month. (ballpark)... I ride a (paid for) took a while to find the one I wanted a 1st Gen 650 Vstrom...I set it up for touring (normal stuff...soft roll-top panniers and tubular racks, tank bag, roll-top duffel, engine guards, bash plate and barkbusters).... I will also do graded dirt fire roads ... not too much single track...(just to get to some camping spots).... initial cost of the bike and to get it set up was about $2500-$2600 over the last year.... some came with the bike... some used and some stuff new
Nice setup. I thought about insurance but I have found, at least for me, insurance is the same no matter what bike I am riding, so no extra costs.
Crash bars and skid plate upgrade is 101 with any brand new adventure bike. I opted to buy a T700 due to my off-road desire. I feel like I got best of both worlds for getting there and riding. Super nimble, good usable power, reliable , and for the price I was able to do many upgrades including suspension which is amazing! And I’m still way under the prices of these other bikes. Didn’t really need all the bells and whistle‘s Yet I can still add them. All comes down to what you’re committed to ....a lot of the BMW guys I see are more road oriented. And like most all European bikes they always come with their quirks.
I agree with you. The T700 seems to be a great all around bike and the value is impressive.
Thanks great video. I too was inspired by charlie and ewan but immediately decided I would go with something lighter. RTW Paul has an excellent KTM 500 EXC build that he is travelling around the world on.
I have seen his build of the KTM 500 EXC. There are lots of choices for sure. I am seeing what I can do on the KTM 390 ADV. 180 pounds less than the R1200GS. It I'd a lot of fun to ride. Thanks for watching.
@@advmatt 390 ADV sounds good!!! I liked it but for my use case I want to go like 80% Gnarly trail so a more dirtbike oriented style is necessary. I am stuck between a 2019 Husky FE501 and a 2020 701 Husky Enduro LR (but its too early to tell if they have fixed the grenade engines in the 701s)
I bet you are absolutely loving the lower costs with the KTM. It will be interesting to see how they stack up - Expensive parts w/ big miles vs Cheap(ish) parts w/ Less miles.
I assume though you will be doing similar modifications but in a more ktm style -Skidplate/Crashbars/Pannier racks/Tyres?
Actually, lots of miles on small bike too. It came with crash bars. I am waiting for Black Dog Cycle Works to release their skid plate for the bike. Not sure what I will do for lughage. I just finished a 1200 mile trip on it where I road several of the Colorado Alpine passes. Video should be out at the end of the week. I did a bit too much on it. Thanks for watching.
@@advmatt Awesome! Sounds like a great video. looking forward to it
Thanks Matt for this thoughtful video! I don't own a BMW but am considering one so I appreciate this point of view. Honestly, from what you describe I don't think your costs are that far out of line with other bikes IF you have the dealer do all the maintenance use only OEM parts - that is just plain expensive regardless of the make of bike. I normally do all my own maintenance on my 2012 Tiger 1050, but life's circumstances cause me to bring it to a dealer for valve clearance check & adjustment. While it was there I asked them to flush the brake fluid, service the front forks, and replace the rear tire - all routine maintenance. The bill? $1,400 - about $600 of that is tire and parts, the rest is labor. This is about 25% of what the bike is worth, but I knew going in that it would not be cheap.
These bikes come with a large ownership price tag. I just didnt realize how big until I owned one. I couldn't find anyone talking about it. Thanks for watching and commenting.
You could always buy cheaper tires you could always buy Mobil 1 synthetic oil which is a lot cheaper than BMW oil wishes wicked expensive once the first valve adjustment is done that usually stay in adjustment for a long long time if you're going to go dirt riding and you have to do a lot of traveling to get there have you thought of buying a set of wheels having a set of tires mounted on them and shipping them there then you just swap tires when you get there any dealer servicing this expansion I will try to find an independent shop that will work on your bike after all if you can work on a complicated job bike that you got to take the camshaft to adjust the valves working on a BMW even when it's complicated as yours should be Child's Play the only time my BMW Airhead switch eShop was when I was getting tires put on it I just can't do that type of work anymore with my arthritic hands and as far as tires go yeah you get what you pay for and what price is not falling down and going boom when you're going 100 miles an hour off in the woods of course what would I know I just have a BS a 250 single that I run into woods and not that it's broken down in the woods but if it did I could push it out of there you have a lot of horsepower and you have a lot of weight of course you eat tires but you could jack up your bike and bring in just the wheels and that would probably save you some money of course I have nice schiphol AirHeads with Street suspension and street tires and I go bouncing down fire roads at a damn could clip and you know yourself knobby tires wear down quick on the Rhodes play I'm not into 600-pound dirt bike especially if they land on top of you
Now you would know better BMW means break my wallet you have the equivalent of a Paris Dakar race bike with race bike levels of power and suspension to match that type of speed and handling is expensive to maintain my 250 bsa's or my AirHeads well they're still running 40 year-old shocks but for the speeds I go I don't need state-of-the-art racing parts kick-off plunking in the woods of course any Trail big enough for a geek my Ural sidecar rig can travel on because it's made for traveling in Siberia where the word for road is General directions of course I can't go 100 miles an hour
Remember a story and Rider magazine D2 guys with oil head 12:00 Beamer GS we're up in some little town in Alaska and a 90 year old man from Clearwater Florida was camped out behind the hardware store waiting for the tires for his breath for 250 scooter Dashie it written all the way from Clearwater Florida you could hear their egos shrinking when they realized this old man had gone over the same road they had with a Vespa 250 scooter so much for their egos that 90 year old man with on more of an adventure than they were Agate pop their bubble
I paid less for my Ural sidecar outfits than what you pay for maintenance course I don't have state-of-the-art anything 100 HP or the ability to go leaping tall buildings in a single bound either I can run my Ural off-road and and their motto is 80 years riding the road before it was paved and it would be cheaper than the maintenance cost on your state-of-the-art bike of course a gyro is Not By Any Means stage of the Ark but it is good enough editor's rebuildable I maintain it myself because no dealership will touch it just like my Triumph TR6 and a hardtail it gives me a great deal of satisfaction doing it myself even if I take ten times as long to do it as a real mechanic but then as I retired I have plenty of time and no money if you want a cheap adventure bike by a Royal Enfield Himalayan and I hear those are pretty damn good little bikes
Interesting video. You put a lot of thought into it. Have to say you do a lot of miles. I only do a few thousand miles a year and I bought the adventure which comes with all the bars etc as standard. Expensive bike and I don't really do much offroad so my costs are a lot lower than yours. Thanks for sharing your findings interesting watch. Not sure whats going on but in Ireland my costs for the stuff you mention are quite a bit lower than yours. Are bmw dealers in USA ripping off customers?
The dealership where I live was purchased by company that only has car dealerships. They raised all of the motorcycle labor rates to match the cars and changed how the dealership operated. It hurt business there. Thanks for watching.
Thanks you for the break down of the costs. I've been riding GSA's since 2007 and have owned quite a few of them, currently I own a 1250 with 12000 miles on it. I have looking at other bikes too, but I found that most adventure bikes need upgrading to make it more suitable for off-road riding. I looked at the Yamaha T700 and that also needed €2000 of protection before it was right for me and that's also without luggage. Oil changes on most bike are about the same intervals, so that's not going to save you much and the same goes for tires, same weight same wear. That's why I have the Heidenau Scouts or the Motoz Tractionator GPS on them, they simply last longer. Not well for mud, but certainly good enough on most tracks. I did have to gent new shocks on one of my former GSA's outside of warranty, but with the water cooled bikes it hasn't happened yet (I change bikes about every three years or 100.000 k km) One thing you didn't mention is, that in order to use the Motoscan app, you need to get an Android phone, there is no iPhone app for that. Btw I decided to get me a K1600GT once a couple of years back, now that's a money pit.... And you know my wife rides a R1200GS too, so I've to pay twice :)
That's a lot of expense. Thanks for letting me know Moto Scan is only for Android. I didnt know that.
sphyrnidus I’m a month late, but is the Motoscan app for the OBD device?
Daryl Clifford Yes it is Look at the website motoscan.de or any country they sell it.
sphyrnidus Thank you! Stay safe 👍
Hi Matt, I did a lot of research before purchasing my Super Tenere. I priced routine parts and service and found the GS way out of my price range. I am in no way bagging on your bike. The GS's are fantastic machines. Just very expensive to maintain and parts are high priced as well. I recommend getting a small tire stand and static balancing stand. It's not that hard to mount and balance them. Good on you for using knobby tires at the expense of tire life.
FWIW, all these big bikes are expensive to maintain in hard core off road conditions. I am in the same boat as you when it comes to off roading these "Beasts". I am laughing my ass off with your rethinking. I did the same thing after taking my Super Tenere to Toroweap overlook. I have already taken off the Michelin Wild knobby tires and mounted on street tires. I'll be back to using my Beta for hard core adventure rides.
Thank you for your honesty Matt!!
The GS is a great a bike but it comes with a life time of costs. You did what I should have and dug into the costs of the bike. I am not sure what do with it now.
@@advmatt Well, I say enjoy what you have and sell the bike after the warranty ends. The GS's have an amazing resell value. They are not fancy but the new T7 Yamaha sure looks to be a good semi lightweight adventure bike. It can hold your camping gear yet go on some of the rough roads you enjoy.
And yes tires are a huge expense that I did not factor in when I purchased my beast. None of the good tires last that give great traction. As far as the E07 tires that are all the rage, I don't think those are going to be good for the dirt roads I have seen you take your bikes on.
This is why we buy Honda 300’s. Forget top of the line high tech dang it.
Hi Matt, congrats for the video! Few years ago I buy R1200GS oil/air cooled bike. Personally I alone change in garage all consumables of the bike. Cost was ridiculously smaller then your. Almost all original from dealer.
Imagine that you now achieve one level of fun, capability and possibilities of bike.
If you change the bike with cheaper even new from dealer, do you will have same torque, luggage capacity, comfort, suspension, range and overall feelings for fun with another cheaper, lighter bike? I ting defenetly not. But you decide...
I have a KTM 390 Adventure now. Just finished a 1200 mile six day trip on it with a mix of long road miles and offroad. I had a fantastic trip. The bike did great and rough offroad riding was so much more relaxed than on the big bike. I want to see if I can everything on the smaller bike I did on the GS. I think I can.
Love the 1200 Gs rally! But until I seen this bit scared about cost of ownership now!
It's not a cheap bike to own, but none of the premium bikes are.
Good break down of ownership costs. I'm considering buying one. I had always assumed that people exaggerated the costs to maintain a BMW, but your video is pretty compelling. I wonder what the costs for routine maintenance would be for a KTM or Yamaha. Are the labor rates and parts significantly more expensive for the GS? Maybe this is why there are so many low mile GS's for sale, people want to dump them before the warranty expires.
The oil change intervals are all close the same. The valve clearance check intervals are different. I think the T700 is 24k miles. BMW replacement parts come at a premium. I think the bigger KTM parts do too. The KTM dealerships I have dealt with have had lower labor costs than the BMW shops. I think the biggest impact on any bike is if it is taken offroad. Offroad riding beats a bike up. That's when the repair costs really start to add up. The marketing for this bike shows it as a world offroad travel bike, but is it really for the average rider? If all this bike is used for is touring the costs remain comparable, well except the entry costs. As a discounted used bike it has good value.
Hey Matt! wuick question do you have a video on how you mounted that jerry? Thank
I do. Check this video out. czcams.com/video/TkwG_NsEJ8Q/video.html
A live in Henderson and three weeks ago I went to Los Osos, CA for a MOA meeting and after that a friend of mine and me decided to extend our trip to Washington. My rear tire was good to ride back home but not to go to Washington so I had to buy a new one, Dunlop Trail Max - $ 314,93. Besides, it was time for the 6.000 miles service after the second year service, so I took my bike to a shop in Livermore. They changed the oil - $ 265,00. When I got back home I had to take my bike to the shop again because there was a leaking on the oil cap seal ring and we figured out that it was time to do the big service because the valves were not adjusted by the shop in Livermore. It cost me $ 845,50 = Labor 4 hours $ 552,00 and parts $ 223 plus shop supplies $ 26,25 hazardous waste fee $ 21,25 and tax $ 22,69. Total cost in less than a month $ 1.425,43. I have been riding a lot lately and because of that I am thinking about having another bike. Depends on the annual cost with service, maybe an African Twin.
My thoughts exactly. Maintenance of other bikes can be much more reasonable, or find a bike you can work on easily.
Roberto Giraldes I’m torn between the 1200gs and the Africa Twin. After watching this video, I’m leaning towards the Africa Twin, especially because the prices on the AT have dropped a lot for used ones.
I have been thinking of trading my GS for an AT too.
I had a 2016 1200GS and loved riding it. But it is a money pit. Now on a Suzuki DR650 and loving it for so many reasons. I service it it for $40 every 10,000 klms ..Happy days now and not concerned about a scratch or dropping it. Cheap to own with valuable fun. Oh..and 70kgs lighter than the GS.
I really considered the DR bit I spend too much time doing highway miles to get where I want to be. The 5 speed transmission seemed limiting. I bought the KTM 390 Adventure and I am loving it.