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This episode was so good. The writer, Charlie Brooker took the joke "The consequences when you don't read the terms and conditions" to a whole new f"cking level.
Lately governments are asking us to sign you know what to put us you know what 😉
@@floki9493 too vague, what are you talking about?
@@pointysidedown man really ? 💉
@@floki9493 bro it’s still not clear what you mean
@@floki9493 5 months and you dont explain)
Dehumanizing the enemy is a cruel, but an often used tactic in real life. It's kinda sad to see what people do against one another.
People do it all the time against eachother.
It's often not us normal people who initiate this process though. Its done through the government & media/entertainment.
People like the cartels, ISIS, Nazis, Klansmen in the 50s and many other groups that do inhuman shit to people are truly monsters
@@thesadprepper3722 a lot of these groups have been enabled to seek vengeance from the actions of others - to characterize them as monsters (which im not disagreeing with) without understanding what they are retaliating against is ignorant and exactly what this episode was about. you’re operating solely off of the programmed ideas that are fed to you by your nation and not considering who is actually affected by these narratives. because just as you have been radicalized - these groups have been radicalized to see (you) as the monster. So you owe it to yourself and humanity to wonder, how did we get here - genuinely - and why?
@@whitephillip6997 that's what colonizing western powers do to our countries in africa and middle east making you think that we are an enemy
Rewatching the episode and I noticed that as Stripe’s Mass gets weaker, the episode gains more color. It started off gray and dull, but around the time he and Rai go in that housing building, things are more colorful.
Along with us seeing Stripe’s dreams, it’s cool that they added that aspect of seeing through his changing eyes.
I love you
bisch en chrieger min sohn
This episode stuck out to me cus of how dangerously close we are to heading down this path irl
Humanity has already been there, and still is. How many wars have been fought by soldiers that believed they were the good guys? How many of them were following orders from people telling them who the “monsters” were?
Have you not seen the "protests" and "rallies"? Curfews, Lockdowns, Riot Police, maskers/anti-maskers, vaxxers/anti-vaxxers .... We're there, mate.
Well this happened to slavs and jews in world war 2. hitler was saying that those people are not humans and shouldnt live. i guess it worked....
The eugenics too...
Already happened in numerous occasions
Coming back to this after recent events... The possibility of it actually happening in some form is... terrifying to say the least.
and it has now :[
It has happened, in every war, and continues to happen. That is the truth.
Its happened, just without this kind of technology. Hello, slavery.
They dehumanised people who did NOT take the VAXX 💉 and it worked. Now we're back to 'normal' until further notice.
iraq syria Afghanistan Libya vietnam and I can go on
nice video. its also worth noting that the term "cockroaches" was used to describe the Tutsis in the Rwandan genocide, exactly the same as in this episode. the term was also used by Gaddafi
also by Nazis
I kinda like how Stripe has a Kenyan last name printed on his uniform "Koinange". In fact there is a well-known newscaster in Kenya with this name. Maybe this is pointless but with this level of attention to detail, if Black Mirror had given Stripe a Rwandan surname instead, it would make the whole roach/genocide connection even deeper while giving us fans the kind of messed-up Easter eggs we've come to expect on the show.
@@babyramses5066they are Brit’s so there’s limits to how far political they can take it without dragging history in
@@CaliSayna don't get what you mean
I like how this is actually an ending explain and not just a summarization of the episode
I’m here for the guy who kept asking for this episode lmfao
LOL
Same here Lol
Same I kept seeing his comments during my binge 🤣
Back when I was in law school, one of my professors said that she always reads the whole "terms and conditions" no matter how long it is.
The worst part of this episode was when he went home or to at least what was left of it...
That's assuming anything actually happened to it. He might have came home realizing everything was a lie.
The worst part isn't his broken down house. The worst part is all the innocent people he killed, and how he decided to keep killing. People are more important than things.
@@sws212 he was going to jail if he didn't reinstall the mask. He looked like a discharged officer, not a felon getting out of jail.
@@pointysidedown So does that mean he stayed in the military. If so, he sees a perfectly nice house and a woman. If that is the case, why does he shed a tear if he is still under control of the MASS?
@@Col.Roy_Mustang it's kinda up to the viewer, but I interpreted the tear as his subconscious. like even if it all looked like he was a hero on the surface (nice girl, house) deep down he knows he is just a mercenary. A trained killer that murdered innocent people so the government could keep control and power. For me the tear also represents free will, and i like to think soldier kept breaking free of MASS, and they had to keep reprogramming him. What do you think?
One of the best episodes of this series. Tortured with empathy.
This is true horror
I legit got a military recruiting ad at the end of the video Imao
I thought the roaches were looked as genetically inferior and otherwise undesirable people and by letting them survive would dilute the gene pool and be a burden on society which is why they tell the villagers they are roaches and the military is out to exterminate them.
The "roaches" are not Americans, think about it. They are starting a World War. A guy in the beginning says there were millions of "roaches" where he was from.. They are trying to make USA rule the whole world by killing every non-Americans and making people think these people are genetically inferior. (You can hear "roaches" have non-american accent)
People can believe everything if someone who sounds smart talks
@@RiaLoveSha1ya That may be true in the context of this particular episode, but that's also very interesting considering that Black Mirror isn't an American show; it's British.
@@RiaLoveSha1ya I really don't think you're right. First off, they have no flag on their uniforms & by the mixture of races & languages spoken by soldiers, villagers, roaches, etc id say they are more likely some globalist army like the UN or future European Union Army. Especially because it takes place in the future, as Globalization is a key piece of our progress, or so the governments like to tell us. Secondly, it takes place AFTER a large scale war. Which may have been Nation V Nation or Civil, who knows. My last point would be to say that the soldier who claimed there were millions in the city, but they were all killed in a short while is simply misinformed. It would have been propaganda he's heard & nothing more. How difficult is it for the news to claim some event far away happened, but as we don't know anyone from there we don't ever validate it. An example could be seen in the Covid situation. Whatever silly numbers the government & media posts we automatically believe, despite local & anecdotal evidence directly opposing/refuting their claim. Therefore, I think it's their version of the Iraq or Afghanistan war. It feels like a world away from the people back home who are completely detached from it & know nothing of it. The war has no true impact on civilians & it is largely done to keep the wheels of military & economy turning & "completing objectives" when there is no real war to fight, but as stated earlier, they just had a real war so there would be a large standing army still & youth would still be interested in joining at that point. Think of US Army after that false flag 9/11 event.
@@RiaLoveSha1ya so why are they not killing the villagers? Cuz they submit to their propaganda , so they are not really a threat? So how they seperate them from the ones who actually know the truth and probably fighting for their country freedom?
Hugh Mungus: brilliant comment.
NAILED IT.
Black mirror is a MAJOR predictive programming , literal spell-casting, Revelation of the Method.
Did you noticed V for fuckseen on the propaganda poster when on the way as Stripe was coming back “ home” into that delta pirates building?
Roaches= unvxxd population .
Villagers= vxxd population
Soldiers: vaxxd( list sense of smell), and are operated like cyborgs via device which changes their perception.
In reality, the nanotech in the vxx combined with low frequency wave will change their perception.
“ Delta” wave, most likely.... ya know, just like that latest “ Indian strain”.
CONVID Pfizer vxx: BNT162 b2
CONVID “ delta” strain: B.1.671.2
Coincidence?
More likely a coHencidence.
LOL
When I got to that scene where the female soldier shot that woman who was holding the baseball bat I immediately understood what was going on
I understood it when we saw the blond woman with the curls in the raincoat. I remembered her as the roach fleeing from Ray at the farm
I loved this episode because it exposed how cruel the army is
It exposes how cruel ANYONE can be when you can justify dehumanizing the Others in a group
@@ericredbear425 the episode was clearly exposing the military
@@mimi-gs7cw "the army" is an idea. it doesn't have feelings, it doesn't have purpose.. etc...
Eric is more correct because the "exposed cruelty of the army", is actually the cruelty of certain humans. look what the politicians are doing now in the usa. race vs race, economic theory vs theory, rich vs poor, small business owner vs employee etc. and after one group is demonized, they actually support the fooled group in their new hatred, like the soros brick drops etc this is the same as giving the fooled soldiers their guns..... so it's not "the army". it's people. it's specific, evil people. who must be stopped. they have to be stopped. march up to the string pullers castles, don't march down main street anymore.
@@mimi-gs7cw or totalitarian regimes like the one currently in Australia.
Not the army but your MSM
Whilst watching this episode, I couldn’t help but think about the unfortunately underrated video game “Spec Ops: The Line”. The game has a similar structure to this episode, as at first it seems like a generic COD-esque shooter game, but after a especially devastating attack with poison gas, the player starts to realise that what their character is doing (and in return, the player who is controlling the character) is all a lie, that innocent people are being brutally killed in the most painful ways possible. Men, women, children, babies, the elderly, you see their corpses slumped across a sea of blood that you created.
This was one of the most genuinely disturbing and heartbreaking episodes of Black Mirror in my opinion. The dehumanisation of “the enemy”, the painful realisation that what the military base was essentially enacting was a direct form of ethnic cleansing, the dissociation between human and monster.. it was amazing, tragic and so incredibly sickening.
Speaking of a war on roaches, have you seen Starship Troopers?
To be honest. The first time i was watching this episode i thought the roaches were going to be huge and tough of star ship troopers. Im such a dumbAzz
I could a lot of similarities with Starship Troopers. Military propaganda, brainwashing, etc.
I think this is the best episode of Black Mirror next to White Bear..
What about shut up and dance
@@kentaro3n I believe it is an outstanding episode but hasn't got any innovative technology used, which in my opinion makes it kinda separate piece of art.
@@Rosolgzart i think thats the original intent of black mirror. Like season 1 ep 1 of black mirror had no new tech or anything.
It's such a good episode!
Bad episodes: The National Anthem, The Waldo Moment, Playtest and the whole season 5
Best episodes: the rest
Why hasn’t this channel blown up yet?! I freaking love your Black Mirror episodes! 🥰
@ghost mall I love this channel and the community here too! On Bryce’s video about Hang the DJ I asked a question and then had an excellent (and pretty in depth) conversation with someone. Anyone else would have just said “who cares?! It’s just a show!” 😅 Glad to see a new face here 😄Welcome to the fold!
Honestly, this is one of my favourite black mirror episodes. It’s very underrated in my opinion
I think with stripe being so young when he joined the girlfriend didn’t want to stick around and left him as soon as he joined the service, so all he has is memories of his girlfriend and the happy moments at the house, but it could also mean he remembers the house being nice but In reality after he joined she moved away and the house became vacant, and who’s to say that’s his girlfriend house with them being young when he went in, it could have been his girlfriends parents house and she had no choice but to move away with her parents
Love these breakdowns. Makes you think
I WAS JUST BINGING YOUR VIDEOS, AND THIS WAS SUGGESTED EXACTLY WHEN YOU DROPPED THIS LETS GOOOOOOOOO
Love love love this series! I feel like I understand the concepts solidly then I watch your videos 🤣
This video aged well
These are really good man! Great job! Keep em coming! I'm also interested in the other films and shows you've covered on your channel so far. Can't wait to check them out!
I'm glad that you made this 😌because I recently watched this episode and I couldn't find it's analysis from your channel
Hope you like it!
Your videos are making my day! Great find for me. I’m on a marathon. Keep it up, friend.
I'm binging your content. I really appreciate your pieces! they are really insightful and intelligent. keep it up!!
Awesome to hear, thank you!
never thought of this episode like that, great video
Thank you!
Stahp it now!! Thoughtful social commentary about college debt?
Love to see it.
Isnt how many college students are supposed to pay the fees? By being recruited to the military to fight against the enemy in foreign countries?
I think black mirror shows us social aspects of society revolving around technology that a technology made for and could be used for greater good is used by people to worsen the society
Here not neccesarily a person is bad but the overall dynamic of the society gets hampers
Bro, that's just the discription of black mirror, whoch you see on netflix :D
I've been watching black mirror for years aswell as your black mirror ending explained videos for years, but I've never taken the time to watch this episode I just watched men against fire and san junipero tonight and i was watching the san junipero ending explained and I was like damn this was made 3 years ago and somehow I clicked on this and it was only made 2 weeks ago and I was just watching your videos like a month ago 😂 thought that was kind of crazy if I had watched this earlier I wouldbe never seen this amazing ending explained but as always thanks for the great explanation 👍
Excellent analysis.
The metaphor is very true to life, as you've explained.
We are all conditioned by our programming, in this society, and the young even more so.
It matches what I've seen and heard soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan describe. That they were hypnotised & brainwashed into thinking of the public in those countries being the enemy. Wicked, evil people who were a threat to the West, and our way of life.
During their tours in those counties many, if not most, come to realise they've been hoodwinked and conned into killing innocent civilians, for corrupt motives, including the huge sums paid to the military industrial complex for the arms, supplies and equipment.
No wonder a high percentage of veterans come back alcoholics and drugs addicts, as they fail to come to terms with the vile things they've done, and how they were tricked into evil actions by the profiteers.
It's a very accurate, and sad reflection on the truth of war. How it's always been, currently is, and will be (with the brain implants).
If only societies actually listened to those who are brave enough to speak up, about the realities of war - but hardly anyone wants to listen, wants to understand.
We are all complicit in the evil.
Many thanks 🙏
Is that factual, or just what you think, that most veterans believe they were "hoodwinked?" Hypnotized and brainwashed into what they thought about people they didn't know. It almost relieves them of all responsibility concerning their own intellectual cappacity. I'M a retired Marine. I understand the required mental and physical conditioning to prepare for combat. but "hypnosis and brainwashing" sounds a bit extreme. Do you know how many people joined or felt to become a part of the military as a reaction and in response to the events that took place September 11th, 2001?
Do you know how many people believed the warning at the time that if we didn't go fight "them" over there, we would have to fight them here. Can you honestly imagine al-Qaeda, theTaliban, ISIS, or whoever you believed "they" were, deploying their forces to the US like we deployed against "them" (Sadam Hussein, the Saudi citizens, Israeli agents.) It doesnt matter. Pick one.
Do you think we could not have successfully defended our country against them? Instead, how long did it take the Armed Forces of the US to deploy and declare victory in the War On Terror. WWIII.
When we finally withdrew, were we successful? Whatever you think, it was just in time to become engaged in the War of Vengeance against HAMAS and the Palestinian people. Some view them as one and the same, HAMAS fighters/Palestanian civilians . The munitions the Israelis are using obviously dont make a distinction. They the people/civilians might as well all be roaches, bugs, or as Ben Dahan, Israeli Defense Minister in 2013 referred to them as "human animals"
"To me, they are like animals, they aren’t human.”
Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant saying, in 2023, "We are fighting against animals." What happens to anyone else in the process of defense is justified. If your enemy is not human, you must do inhuman things to defeat them. Crimes against humanity are justified when it is an inhuman enemy. That doesn't require, hypnotism or brainwashing. It just takes believing.
Semper Fi
I’ve been skulking for this video for so long
your analysis was so well versed. i wish the masses would wake up to these ideas.
Thank you so much!
amazing analysis of this episode which is my favorite by the way.
Thank you!
@@BryceEdwardBrown don’t mention it !
This episode may have been predictable but I like the metaphors it's using
All I learned from this episode was to read that contract, no matter how long it is. READ IT
Amazing analysis!
I've been waiting for you to explain this episode for a while! I the like the concept, but it lost me when they got to the Thanos excuse. I can't wait to see your ending explain of The Waldo Moment! The Waldo Moment is how Trump became president back in 2016.
Hope it was worth the wait! The Waldo Moment analysis is on the way!
@@BryceEdwardBrown Id love to watch more Black Mirror Episodes and more of your Endings Explained.. arent there any more coming? 😔
@@replicativeimpact1574 Keep an eye out for this week!
The ending to me was just how the American soldiers are treated. If they injured they get basically forgotten, having to fight for their medical benefits and can’t even afford good housing.
Thank youu!! Tremendous content as always! 🔥🤩💯
Great video!
Thank you!
My doctor told me I have to stop watching Black Mirror. I asked him why and he said "So I can examine you"
I didn’t get it... 🤔
@@aliabbasrizvi929 the person was watching black mirror during their appointment and it was getting in the way of what the doctor was trying to do
@@Mogijup I thought the joke would’ve been funny
not funny at all
@@PM_____ To be fair, the original joke is much better... it's "my doctor told me I have to stop masturbating.. I asked him why and he said "so I can examine you"".... I altered the joke to fit this channel because I figured it would get me more likes, which I consider validation because my regular life is dull and unsatisfying
Good analysis!
Thank you!
First watched this before the covid hysteria, and honestly, I liked it, but i would genuinely forget that it was a part of Black Mirror. Just watched it again, and I have a much deeper appreciation for it.
It is real now
I felt that the ending was him remembering false memories of home, and now chipless seeing the reality of his home. I feel like he didn’t take the first deal.
When Stripes "woke up" from a wet dream that started glitching it was symbolic to him being WOKE whilst everyone else was still under Mass effect... I get it now
I understood it when we saw the blond woman with the curls in the raincoat. I remembered her as the roach fleeing from Ray at the farm. I got it then. Amazing episode.
I have a different opinion about the ending. Why would Stripe be coming home but still have his Mass activated? If the government is letting him back home what good does optical illusion do? Doesn't that just confuse him? I think Stripe was discharged right after the white room scene. I know the doctor told him two options, but I think he lied. He is actually humane. Remember the doctor mentioned everything has to be willingly and consent? So I think Stripe said NO to wipe his memory. The military had no choice but to discharged him since he is not gonna fight knowing what he knew. The "punishment" of his action is to live in reality where there is no gf/wife. To other soldiers who submitted to Mass, their reward is the daily dream of having sex/good time in their fantasy.
I also think Stripe did had a wife. Judging from his attitude from the video recording he join the military AFTER he messed up his relationship with her.
Mass wouldn't be able to affect him if he said no, they need his consent to mess with his brain, without it they would just kill him
Very 👏👀
Dude I’m surprised no one replied to you
Lol your part about the higher education and joining the military to fix that issue is my life. Lol joined at 18 to get my school fully paid when I got out
i always come and watch your videos after finishing a black mirror episode
Gou have answered my prayers
Also first
One of my favorite episodes. The ending made me sad...
That bit on education felt personal 😂
This one and the robot dogs episode were just too creepy, because i can see this happening irl in a not so near future. It will start in countries like China.
It's happening right now. We have robot dogs getting tested in NYC to work with NYPD. And if you really wanna make a comparison the roaches are all the people who haven't taken the you know what 🤔
@@craigg8574 people who haven’t taken the what?
Omg, metalhead is such a scary episode because it's not "boogeyman scary"; it's "based in plausible reality scary", which is more terrifying to me than anything.
@@dekunohero9822 Most likely the vaccines? I'm not exactly sure, but since this was a week ago, that's the best I can come up with.
@@craigg8574 Too true brother
It explains so well what's currently happening between Israel and Gaza
We've been asking for this for almost like ... 1 year now ?! Jesus christ 😂 but the good thing is the archive is finally complete (i guess)
Hope it was worth the wait! Oh, and I still have to do The Waldo Moment!
YES IM SO HYPE
3:39 reminds me of that scene from walle where the woman sees real life for the first time and didn't even know they had a pool lol
You are amazing
The GI bill to pay for college has been around since 1944, when College education was pennies to the dollar and stayed that way relatively until the late 90's. It was more a benefit, as opposed to handcuffs, though military employment has always been the majority draw regardless.
I like black mirror the more episodes i see the more it start to become my most favorite show. I however dont agree with the vid that the main theme is tech = bad. I think the main theme is the misuse of tech = bad.
That's actually what he said. He was making a sarcastic voice, so it may have been hard to catch first time watching; but basically, he argued that technology does not equal "bad" as many are led to believe. He further breaks this down by comparing the song "if anyone who knows what love is" is like a love letter of irony because the soldier singing it is misusing what was meant to be a beautiful song in the same way that humans mishandled technology that could have been used for the betterment of human kind. I hope this helps, have a nice day! :)
If you can avoid Season 5, try. If you haven't seen "Rachel, Jack, and Ashley Too" you're far better off in life!
The best episode is San Junipero by far but this was good.... Nosedive was great as well
I haven't watched Black Mirror, probably never will. I like these videos, though. I chose this instead of homework.
same 😂
You should definitely watch it, amazing show
It's a really good show. Ide say every episode are 9-10/10
It's scary how close to this reality we are
Can you give me an example ?
@@justwannabehappy6735 covid rollouts and lockdowns Aswell as how Governments of today are planning their next moves after this. Haven't you noticed more people are becoming more submissive to the vaccines for Job security reasons. Now that they have tested their strategic methods of control, they will start more experiments till we are all loyal and submissive to the one world government society. The mass implant in this series is a perfect example.
@@Kraven1947ockroaches was already used in the Rwanda genocide, Tutsi were called cockroaches by Hutu and many people were brainwashed to killed Tutsi even if some of the people were neighbours with them , I think this episode really is similar to the Rwanda genocide .
@@justwannabehappy6735 zionist in palestine
All that people need to commit the most terrible acts is a good reason, usually a moral one... like defending a relationship.
Are they gonna do Black Mirror season 6 ?
2020 was season 6
Hopefully soon!
We are living it
One word, #PALESTINE vs the Orwellian states ✌️
Those implant and mindcontrol techniques used not only to military soldiers but also to normal innocent citizens called target individuals.☠️
This video is very educational because this video teach us how real life in nowadays really are.
I wonder why they would choose to have them lose their sense of smell.
Most likely because of the smell of blood, viscera, etc that human bodies would produce
The people at the top could just disguise that by claiming that removing the sense’s primary use is to prevent the effects of some chemical weaponry or the smell of sulfur/gunfire.
Or you know, so they don't get distracted. They are using them as weapons and not as humans
that was explained at the end. so they dont smell blood and shit.
I wonder why loss of sense of smell is one of the effects of CONVID fuckseen ; which was actively “ marketed “ in early 2020 as one of the CONVID “ symptoms”.
@@maurverngallard4607 shut up
I really wish more would think for themselves using logic and reason evenly with your own convictions. But if you cant open your mind to see the reasons or validity in the opposing argument, then you’ll remain blinded.
Logic and reason > emotion.
I personally want everyone to be happy, free, and feel comfortable being who they want to be, but I also see that representing yourself in public with respect, doesn’t mean forcing others to abide by your choices. I don’t act the same around my coworkers and boss as I do with my friends, so be free and happy in your personal time please
I don’t understand what happened in the end?
This is a good criticism on racism too
Interesting response. Could you elaborate further?
@@jeanninebell7062 they are forced to see the roaches as monsters even if they are the same on the outside and they segregate the roaches to the periferic spaces and the doctor at the end even says that their culture brings homossesualism and degeneration just like they started talking about the Black and asian comunity in the beggining of the 1900 hundreds
Yep, and it will also happen to Christians just after the Rapture.
This should be shown in the Philippines.
This episode was one of the darkest yet in my opinion, this and crocodile top it off for me, I feel different after watching it, powerful episode
Ironic that I got an ad for the us military after watching this
They call us blacks “roaches”this episode was deep for me as a black person.
Really dark episode of black mirror 🖤🖤 best anthologie serie's ever made 📺
2:25 OMG.... just OMG
Episode perfectly fits Israel occupation in palestine.
When they started talking danish i was like wtf.
Get your before 1 million views ticket here
This is even more important now with everything going on in Palestine
J’ai fait le même analyse et analogue à la situation de déshumanisation systémique.
Why is this put through a speech synthesiser?
I'm early, don't know what to comment, maybe I'll edit if I think of something funny or else
fun fact, thats exactly what is / has been happening in the American armi and Media, dehumanized Afghan, Arab, Vietnamese, Somalians, Iranian and now Persians so the public don't care when they get killed in the wars that America rage against them for resources, I would say this episode is the most realistic one yet.
Really dark episode 👌👌 fucking love black mirror, one of the best anthologie serie's ever made 📺🖤🖤
I found it weird how his partner kept making sexual jokes during training.
Shows how soldiers go to war and do evil things, but are just following orders
Damn, so far, This is the most depressing episode of Black Mirror.
He said he didn’t say any of that 2:20
This episode explains military gangstalking of innocent citizens in the USA . So much truth to this
ok so now GANGSTALKING is REAL? come ooooon
Reminds me of the Rwandan genocide and how the french government had a hand in this destruction
this episode reminds me of 15mil merits.
What do you think the device and mass implant represented?
Propaganda
@@_sxaxrxa1421 for sure I was just looking too deep into what the device that interrupted/corrupted the mass implant was haha
Vacc***
Israel vs Palestina