Better Than 30-30 for Whitetail Hunting?
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Only problem is that a plastic rifle will never be as sexy as a lever action.
Sexy is in the eye of the beholder. The younger shooters especially see ARs as sexy. At 65+, I like a good bolt gun or my dream gun 1886 Winchester.
@@fredbecker607 Younger shooters wear skinny jeans. We had bell bottoms. They were so much better.
@@crazydaveiz bell bottoms are just skinny jeans with room for your high heels 😂
Imagine an AR but with the same quality of appearance as an ole Winchester? Parallel universe kinda stuff…
Only thing plastic on mine is my grips.
The way a 30-30 feels in your hands…that’s a feeling that can’t be beat!
I agree
Not unless you have it's big brother, the marlin 444
Ever fired a 20mm anzio?
.35 Remington Marlin 336 lever👍
I’m glad to see you including modern precision sporting rifles as serious hunting platforms. It helps remove the stigma of them being only an assault weapon. Thanks and keep up the great content. 👍
And takes away from what thier designed purpose is, Killing as many bad guys as efficiently and quickly as possible. Most just are not powerful enough for deer hunting or other larger game. Modern sporting rifles, another term for ugly gun lol.
@@coldandaloof7166 You're just wrong.
@@coldandaloof7166 you know nothing about guns
Semi-autos aren't permitted for big game in my state. I use a single shot to give the game a chance and it will make you a better shot.
@@coldandaloof7166 they aren't necessarily designed to kill as many "bad guys" as possible but we should stop calling them sporting rifles, they are defensive/offensive rifles and we're allowed to own them given the words of the second amendment, they just happen to come in many good hunting calibers and are handy rifles
My father is a kind, soft spoken man. I was shocked while hunting with him in my early 20s when he nailed a buck running from 220 yards with a 3030 Marlin (Side eject with an old Weaver TV scope). I watched it through my scope, and he ratcheted that 3030 lever action like John Wayne. It was a moment that I will never forget. Coincidentally, I killed my first buck almost 30 years ago to this day with that same gun.
AWSOME
Awesome story
These are the kind of hunting/shooting stories I can’t get enough of!
Dulces recuerdos de tu padre.
Love marlin levers. Love the side eject. Have a 30 30 and a 45 70 guide gun
I rarely use my 30-30 but when I do it's just for the fun of carrying it. It really is a fun gun to carry for some reason.
I jus bought one. Can't find ammo yet. Need to look online.
@@Truck-kun...... press you’re own 😂😂😂
@@RoyalLineageLLC then I need to buy that stuff first. I wanna be lazy. 😆
I love my 30/30 Marlin. Hand polished stock.. beautiful.. deer don’t like it much though…
@@Gss56 with the octagon barrel ?
A lever action 30-30 has been my favorite rifle to stalk deer in south Florida
The lack of a sling is easily rectified with a tactical scabbard.
Happy hunting 🤗
That defeats the purpose. I think your missing the point of not having a sling on it.
SAVAGE
@@michiganmoto7687 armchair
Hunter
@@michiganmoto7687 likely a gamer
The guy said tactical on a hunting video comment thread. Why even acknowledge him. lol
I don't think I could ever sub my model 94 30-30 for a .300blk, cool gun don't get me wrong. There's just something about the nostalgia of the 30-30 that never goes away
I have both and the small form of the AR platform with a small magazine makes a really light weight woods rifle
A levergun, especially the shorty carbines, is a very svelte package. They also balance nicer than an AR.
The Winchester 1873, 1892 and Marlin 1894 are some of the nicest handling rifles ever.
It’s whitetail season now! Just shot one with my bow tonight!
Congratulations
It’s nice but I love my 35 Remingtons. Just a little bit more stuff than the 30-30.
Not really. Little more metplat but that’s about it. 35 Remington though for some reason isn’t as popular as 30-30 or as available and 2-3 times the price for similar performance.
Lol
@@308dad8
I reload so mine cost less than the 30-30’s do. At least that was before all the prices went wild.
@@ronlafitte6864 All reloaders have felt the pain longer than the factory ammunition buyers. A court ordered Remington to cease all production because frivolous lawsuits forced them back into bankruptcy and that was part of Pelosi’s plan against America too.
@@308dad8
Yes but they won’t stop trying to end all firearms business, ammo business, and firearms ownership. We just have to keep on pushing them back.
I’ve never shot a gun but the way this man speaks makes it so interesting to listen
You should!
You should. If you are mentally stable.
I'm sure you know someone who would be willing to teach you how to safely use one, ask around, most "gun guys and gals" like to bring new people into the sport.
Call me old fashioned, but I can’t imagine myself ever choosing an AR over a lever gun to go hunting.
Oh I don’t know about that part of old fashioned! There has always been a place for lever Guns and I’m sure they won’t go away any time soon !
As I look around me at what i use , I don’t really have a place for an AR or MSR for a hunting tool , they are fine and some models are impressive and have their + plus in the hunting spectrum there is no doubt there ! My lever guns and bolt guns do what I need them to do and more ! 14 years ago I bought my first T/C Contender single shot pistol , now I own 3 barrels and hunt with it also !
As the years have gone past I’ve taken 3 deer so far ! It’s a different concept !
Why not? The AR is older than the Remington 700, surely its a classic by now.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz I agree it is a classic firearm ! Even gun writer / hunters who used bolt rifles to hunt with all their life now use MSR to hunt !
Imagine being able to pop a couple pins loose and locking in an upper receiver for any occasion…..
@@cleetismcdougall5425 I can see the practicality of it, for sure. However, practicality has very little to do with my gun buying decisions nowadays. I would rather have four “old-fashioned” rifles than four uppers.
I got a 300blk in a ar pistol for hogs. I have two nice leverguns, a 35 rem and a 7/08 browning. Ar is lighter and more accurate. But i love my leverguns!
To me around my area 30/30 is a great choice for the woods that I live in.!!!
Might be… ever tried anything else?
.22 cal has killed more deer than anything. Shot placement is and always has been the key.
@@chriswelch9070 at very close range yes.
@@Ron-Swanson yes a 7 rem mag
@@Razorback30001 long range and short range, pretty good combo.
The Remington .35 also makes for a good lever action
Every rifle needs a sling. You never know when you'll need to use both hand and in a place you can't put it down.
Agreed 💯
That has always been my thinking
Good point I had not thought off, I mean even if say your hunting boar and you run out of your 20 round mag, having a sling where you can easily draw your sidearm while not dropping your rifle would be quite handy.
good point
I love my own level action 30-30. It is perfect for hunting in the woods.
I don’t blame you
Meh, every lever ive seen jammed. My bolt never does
you have a LEVEL action...SWEET
I like that old Marlin 336 I had one and 35 caliber seemed like a good gun. Deer never went very far pretty much oh. there he is!
IKR, my dad's favorite rifle
Adding a red dot is a nice replacement for that 300 blk for the old school iron sights found on the 30-30. Fast target acquisition and no need for heavy scopes in the dense woods.
Yeah I’m contemplating putting one on my 30-30 over peep sights
Aimpoint originally sold red dot sights to hunters, military picked them up afterwards.
Using a red dot in dense woods is exactly what the red door was intended for.
My M1A Tanker in .308 with a 16.25" barrels is perfect for woods! Keep up the GREAT work good sir! 👍👍
That’s a great choice. Been meaning to pick one up but they spendy.
@@hateferlife Yes they are! Price was pushing $2,000 after taxes. But I tell you what, that muzzle break works GREAT! It mitigates recoil VERY WELL!!
@@ryanmoeller3308 why would you need a muzzle brake on a 308? It has very minimal recoil already, especially in a a 9 pound rifle. My daughter was shooting a model 70 featherweight in 308 at like 9 years old I guess us old people were just tougher back then
My customized M1A has been rechambered in 6.8mm. Which is my go to rifle for Dall Sheep and Caribou, just what you need when you need to reach out to 5 or 6 hundred yards. It will always drop a Caribou with one shot. As for those pesky Dall Sheep. Almost always an uphill shot of 45 to 60 degrees. And you want to knock them down where they stand or they might fall for several hundred yards. Which you really dont Want that to happen, kinda really messes up your meat as well as tearing up your hide and possibly breaking your rack.
@@E3fieldservices7144 It came with the Muzzle Break. I'm pretty sure all M1A's come with a form of a muzzle break factory installed
Got my first bear with a model 94 30-30 glad I was using it to. Those open sights came in handy because the bear was moving at a pretty good pace. One shot to the bottom of his heart did the trick followed by a very quick reload as the bear came tumbling down the hill towards me in the thicket. Its hard to beat 💓 the 30-30 light quick handy carbine with some decent power and quick reload for hunting.
Hell yea brother, thats what i got my first bear with
336 in 32 special for me
The 350 Legend for those of us in "No Bottle Neck Catiridge States" is the perfect choice. Whither you add a Upper to your AR or a designated rifle such as the Ruger American or Savage Acces. We currently are getting good ballistic using 165gr ammo out to 200 yrds.
That’s my next rifle. I love .35s and had been looking for an AR in .35 caliber for some time. I couldn’t believe my luck when Winchester came out with the .350 Legend!
That's one of the choices in Ohio. I'd rather have a 30/30
Agreed, but you cannot type...
Missing the whole concept of 300 blackout using a 16”
That was the most quiet 30/30 I’ve ever heard
I’ve only ever killed deer with my Winchester 94!! .30-30 will always be my cartridge of choice, if for nothing more than loving that old rifle!!
You can get some pretty amazing ammo from Hornady they actually designed a ballistic tip 30 round which will perform very well
30-30 Hornsby round nothing better, loaded in a Marlin ..👍
Do they make a lower velocity BT cartidge for close quarters woods hunting?
@@Gss56 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
With all the different options in the safe I have found the 30-30 in my hands the most. So comfortable and fast on the game.
I was just looking at my dad's 30-30 and 32 special they must be at least 90 years old
7.62x39 is ballistically pretty similar to 30-30 too from what I understand, at least within 30 yards. Might be a slightly cheaper ammunition type than 300 blackout.
Love the .30-30. Own a .300blk.
But the .300 Savage in the Rem 99 is the best in class.
300 savage is one of the best for deer in the woods and fields
@@stephenkennedy3145 just won a model 99 at auction, can't wait to pick it up for this season.
What's everyone doing for their 300sav ammo, hand loading out of a 308 case?
@@justinb7320 I buy Remington Core loc off the shelf at my local gun store (not Walmart).
Or online.
Love the 30-30, also have a 32 special which is my favorite dear rifle in the woods in Wisconsin.
My 30-30 was made in 1947. She's 40 years older than me and is one of my best running, if not my best running rifle. I absolutely love it, it's definitely a heritage piece and one I'll hand down to my daughter
Mine was made in 1913, was my grandfathers
There are MANY cartridges better than 30-30 but it is enough for what you need, no matter what you’re hunting in NA. It will take whatever you’re aiming at. That’s why it’s been so popular for so long.
It may be a good match up, but I'll stay with my 30/30
Love a 308.
Can’t go wrong.
For m the classic gun is what it’s all about. I’m a wannabe cowboy when I hold the old classic rifle
A 30-30 lever action is one of the best bush guns I've ever owned. I've taken several deer as well as boar with it. It is my go to especially for thick brush stalking.
Lol what have you owned?
I like an AR but there are better cartridges to be hunting with in it.
I have an antique 32 Winchester special with five digits on the serial number. I acquired it from the best friend I ever had I miss him
My father in law had one, one of his son's probably has it now.
I have one my dad bought me when I was 15 I'm 45 now . Killed my 1st deer with it.
That’s all I hunt with is a 336 marlin 32 Winchester special
For hunting purposes I like a 10in .300blk pistol with a 5in suppressor and a 15in suppressor friendly diameter handguard of 1.75in to keep your can protected. 110gr vmax .300blk rounds make for good whitetail rounds at closer ranges.
HAR DEE HAR HAR .. 10" .300blk pistol w/a 5" suppressor??? .. get outta here w/yr stupid ass comment .....
Thanks Ron your example of sportsmanship and knowledge is an inspiration that we must not lose to progress.
No. I’ll stick with my model 94 any day.
What's wrong with Henry?
@My Dixie Wrecked🔨 cast are real hunting bullets. Jacketed are for wussies
@My Dixie Wrecked🔨 You’re definitely a child.
@My Dixie Wrecked🔨 if it hadn't been for a Henry rifle their never been a winchester rifle. 14000 were made between 1860-1866 . The Winchester model 94 wasn't made till 1894
Sounds good Elmer
When I think of .300BLK, I think of it as an AR round for tacticool bros to use with their suppressors; I'd never considered its efficacy in hunting before.
110gr V-Max rounds are the ONLY Thing I've found that work well for hunting purposes. with in 200 feet it Works well for Hogs, Deer, Wolfs or really anything thats not big game, as long as shot placement is near heart and lungs, Its Good! 👍
With 350 legend on the market I don't see the hunting application for 300BLK unless you're in an area which allows suppressed hunting.
Now if you built an upper to do both things, you've got one for a tactical or two gun application and then take it hunting it's totally understandable.
@@otm646 Suppressed hunting should be legal everywhere, as should using bottleneck cartridges. It isn't, unfortunately, but it should be.
Choosing 300BLK over 223 has more to do with your choice of barrel length. If your barrel is shorter than 12 or so inches, you’ll loose a significant amount of energy/velocity with a low-mass round like the 223. 300BLK lets you retain a significant amount of energy with very short barrels. And short barrels provide benefits of maneuverability and concealability. 300BLK is also better for suppressed firearms because if you want to get more benefit from your suppressor, you run sub-sonic ammo. And again, with a slower velocity round, you want to increase mass to retain energy (and more significant terminal ballistics)
@@otm646 I haven’t picked up my 300 since I built my 350
I have a 1894 44magnum that my grandpa carried on his horse for years that he gave to me for my birthday when I was younger and I love how handy it is in the woods
Well since my grandpa left me a model 94 and not a blackout, I'll have to settle for this old 30-30.🙂
Love Grandpaw
It’s not easy to beat the legendary 30-30
A lot of things do.
It’s not easy to beat that platform. The caliber isn’t that special to where it’s not easily matched
For many years I’ve carried a 30-30 ( my first rifle )
12 years ago I added a 94 AE in .45 Colt and like it very well ! I carry it a lot !
The only one I would add is , .44 mag Marlin lever !
I got my father a 44 marlin as a gift , he never carries it cause its so heavy once loaded:(
If you handload 45 colt is great! I have a Henry big boy in 45 colt. If you have good star line brass you can get 44 mag ballistics pretty easy.
No way in hell is 45 colt gonna match 44 mag even in handloads .
@@JohnnyP_outdoors a bit more powder capacity actually and in Ruger and Henry actions it’s no problem look at buffalo bores hottest loadings for 45 colt and you will get an idea.
@@JohnnyP_outdoors I have a chrono and they are.
My .30-30 is my favorite rifle over any of them. Daytime hunting of course.
Would take the 30/30 over 300blk every time! Can’t beat a classic like a lever gun!
I've gotten into several debates with people over whether or not the AR-15 is a viable hunting rifle. I tell them 300 Blackout is top 5 on the list for effectiveness.
There is no debate. It’s a very good hunting platform.
@@66smithra can depend what you’re hunting as well I say. For hogs, an AR in 300 blk is my first choice!
If people you are debating don't think it's viable, they don't know much about guns in general.
You can basically shoot anything 308 win and under in an AR (15 or 10).
“Obviously I just took two shots into that pine over there”😂
Elmer Keith would’ve told Spomer: “If you’re gonna shoot a pine tree, use enough gun”! It’s been found that a chainsaw would get better penetration !
lol...and next year his state will be shotgun and archery only!
When I was out there this autumn with my 300WM bolt gun, the terrain's repeated sudden change from 25 yard to 500 yard shots made me really miss my workhorse AR.
I got a 350 legend for my boys to hunt with, I'm not a fan of many guns but i made an exception because of the ease of converting an AR-15 to this, we love it, 3" high at 100yards is 3" low at 190 yards, works great
Maybe someday PA Will allow for semi autos for big game, then the .300blk ar I'm building and filing for a suppressor for will be something fun to get a deer with and not only be my go to home defense rifle.
I’m getting aparts list together for a .300 Blackout for this exact reason. I love my .30-30 Marlin, but I’d love to also hunt with an AR.
I seriously doubt you will be able to wait on gun laws to change before hunting with 300 Blackout.
Once that tax stamp comes in and you are free to use your suppressor you will be hooked.
I would suggest a bolt action Ruger American Ranch in 300 Blackout.
Suppressors make almost any firearm in any caliber more enjoyable.
@@cleetismcdougall5425 I'm sure you're right. I think I might get one of those little cva single shot pistols in 300 and put a scope on it
If you are planning on killing the deer, be sure and add a bayonet so you can stick him after the 300 wounds him. Good luck.
@@jasonjackson6055 Really…..I can assure you you are incorrect.
Might want to look at the ballistics charts for 300BO. Extremely versatile cartridge. The lighter supersonic rounds are extremely popular for hunting. The Subsonic with the right bullets under 100 yards are good too.
The only downside to 300BO is it’s still pricey unless you load your own.
“OH HEY! I’d didn’t see you there”
300 blackout is the new, better 7.62x39
350 legend is the new 30-30
I agree 30/30 is great to start the kids off on!! More of a 45/70 guy myself
Mane i thought you was gonna show us a 300 blackout lever action 😂😂😂
man, ive wanted a Winchester 30-30 my entire life! beautiful piece, brother!
Thanks Ron, but I’ll keep my lever gun.
EXACTLY
I'm glad you embrace new technology, Ron, it's easy to get complacent and stubborn with what you know and what you like.
6mm ARC is my preferred AR15 Cartridge. I'm really not a fan of the ELDX bullets but I'll have to admit they work phenomenally in 6ARC . Especially the 103g ELDX. They work as advertised out of my 16" 6ARC. I'm getting 2550 FPS which makes it extremely good for 300 yards and in . I live on east coast so 150 yards is extremely far shot lol . I've taken 3 deer and 5 hoggs with this setup and couldn't be happier .
300 Blackout was actually designed to replace MP5SD for Devgru and the 300 Blackout did replace the MP5SD . The 300 Blackout that won that contract was AAC HONEY BADGER . Kevin Brittingham from AAC is the one who developed the 300 Blackout . Remington bought AAC and Kevin went to Sig Sauer and helped them develop their Suppressor line up . Then Kevin started Q LLC . Now Kevin has created the 8.6 Blackout
anytime i see a dirty thirty on my page it’s an instant follow
Kinda starting to feel like this dudes been paid to pedal 300 BLK and rubbish the 30-30 haha. Third video I’ve seen of his comparing the two in favour of the newer cartridge.
An influencer?
@@davidedward13 …….kinda feel like….I need to buy a 300 BLK 🧐
30-30 is all you need. Best deer rifle ever!
I think u meant 8 inch barrel for 300 blackout with a 4 inch suppressor
Love the lever actions, I have them in 30-30, .357, 44 mag, and working on a 45-70.
Ron your vids are one of the best. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Jeeps.
Flagged your camera guy with that 3030
Just camera, no man
@@Pugrug. camera was zooming though..?
@@badmpg he sets it up before and walks in front of it
@@Pugrug. well saw camera zoom/panned a little on it’s own…figured guy was there ? 😂
@@badmpg editing.
I thought the 350 legend was the new 30-30
I’ve always liked to carry my 32 Winchester Special when ever I go out to the woods to put out corn or to change out camera cards. Small enough I can carry it in one hand and carry a bag of corn on my shoulder
35rem is my brush gun. Best I have ever shot is a marlin lever. Everybody thinks they need the newest shiniest thing. Corporations sell this need.
I love my 336 35 rem as well. It is a shooter.
How does the 300 blackout or 350 Legend compare to 7.62x39?
Look it up.
.300blk was designed specifically to out perform the 7.62x39.
300 outperforms in just about every category except the most important to most. Cost. I have an AR in both but shoot my 39 WAY more and the way shits going I might sell my 300. I only have a few hundred rounds for it while several thousand stocked for the other
Out of a 9 inch barrel is has the same velocities and terminal ballistic performance as a full size barrel ak. I'd say it out performs it when u consider the small package yet heavy hitting for hunting home defense u name it. Not to mention the suspension abilities with sub sonic ammo.
@@300blkwarrior8 if the market could get the price down it would be the perfect caliber. I have a 10.5 blackout pistol and impulsively bought a BCA 762x39 upper because of price. 232$ shipped to my door. It's dual charging which I thought was neat and when I broke it.down to inspect I was pleasantly surprised to find nice wide and polished feed ramps and they all come with the better extractor and firing pin for the steel ammo. The guns a beast and I bought 2k rounds mil surp for just under 700 to my door. Might come just shy of the 300 in all tests but it will get the job it's intended for done.
Winchester claims the 350 Legend is the new 30-30.
350 does have the adverage of being straightwalled, which matters in some jurisdictions.
I like 35 Remington; bigger punch. I have a 336 Marlin lever action chambered in 35, made in 1957, best brush gun ever made
Ron, you really stirred up the wasps nest on this one!! Lololol 😆😆😆!!!
Here in Southern Arizona, my best friends and I used to hunt the thickest mesquite bosques there were along the border 40 years ago with 1894 Winchester and Marlin saddle carbines in 30-30, 32, 38-40, 38-55, and .44mag. Yes, short, fast and never tangled up in the brush as well as busting through the thickest brush.
As the AR platform "developed" and came the flattop AR's in 5.56 with free floated 24" barrels we would use them for Coyotes with hand made 5 round magazines. 3 or 4 of us would lay out early/late on a high wash bank and get after them 'Yotes! Took a lot of coyotes that way and the platform was accurate!
I, ("we"), would hand load for specific game to make sure I was hitting to the point of aim with any of my calibers, 5.56, 270Win, 30-30, 7.62, .30-06', 7mm Mag, .44mag.
300BLO, is an excellent round, and it has slightly better ballistics than 30-30, but, IMHO, it's six of one and a half dozen of the other. Lol!!
Besides, I have hunted thick stuff with an old S&W M29, stainless 8 1/2" and a 3x scope for for maybe 30 years. My best friend still uses an old Ruger Redhawk in .30Carb with a 4x!
But what the Hey!, I'll pull out one of the "clones" (M4), hit the range and work on a heavy, hard hitting hunting load, find the ancient 5 rounders and hit what's left of the bosques up north....... Might even be "Sexy" to carry around and get game! Sorry, lol, being a little sardonic!
I agree with you, 16" barrels are easily handled. It's why we carried levers in saddle carbines and "short rifles"!!
Very cool Ron!
According to data the 30-30 with 150 gr bullets is 250-300fps faster than the.300 blk across the board how can you say that they are equal??
I’ll stick with my 30/30 for the brush, she’s been too faithful.
The truth is 30/30 is actually one of the worst cartridges when it comes to being deflected by brush that there is in regards to common hunting cartridges.
Grandpa's myth about it penetrating brush with less deflection than other cartridges because of it's nose is just that, a myth.
Testing has proven different and has shown what's best for brush penetration has absolutely nothing to do with a bullets nose profile.
What makes a good brush penetrator is a bullets cross sectional density (width compared to length), the longer a bullet is per it's diameter the more it'll deflect going through brush irregardless of it's nose's profile, the same tests showed that with any given cross sectional density different nose profiles didn't affect it's deflection through brush one iota, that part simply has no effect on things despite what all the "old timers" used to say.
The way it works is the longer a bullet is compared to it's width the more it's prone to deflection because the back end wants to come around trying to get in front, the longer it is compared to it's width the worse that effect therefore causing the bullet more deflection, this is what causes deflection irregardless of the nose's profile.
The best performing brush penetrators that keep the straightest flight path traveling through brush are one's shorter compared to their diameter, like a 305 gr 45/70, or even a pistol cartridge like .45 Long Colt or .44 Mag, wherein a typical 30/30 load has a bullet that's very long compared to it's diameter, that's what actually makes them one of the worst when it comes to being deflected by brush.
But what most people don't get is that it actually doesn't matter, when your target is inside of or just on the other side of brush even the bullets that are deflected the most by brush it's not far enough from where the bullets deflection starts that the bullets deflected course is even really measurable, in order for it to really make any kind of difference anyway you'd have to be inside a pile of brush yourself shooting outwards or say shooting through brush that's half way or less to a target that's a fair distance away, realistically that's not what happens, what really does happen is a deer is being shot that's either inside of or just on the other side of brush, either way even the worst deflecting bullets won't have their flight path altered enough to make any difference, you're still gonna hit very close to your aiming point anyway.
Most likely the myth got started years ago when 2 guys shot at the same deer standing in some brush and only one hit it, that night after getting it home and digging out the slug they found it was the 30/30 that hit it and not the 30/06 Springfield, then they drew the incorrect conclusion that the pointed Spitzer type nose of the 30/06 must have deflected going through the brush when the reality is the guy shooting the 30/06 just plain missed.
It's curious how people put so much stock in what people who had no measuring devices or any other type of modern equipment to conduct experiments with had to say on the matters of firearms and bullets, they could barely afford enough bullets back then to keep meat on the table much less conduct experiments with that take hundreds of rounds worth of information to draw any kind of concrete conclusions with, basically they wet their finger and stuck it in the air and even then their conclusions are strictly based on what they "figure", yet people will go through life putting 100% of their faith in what Grandpa's said as opposed to the proof gathered by organizations who've shot hundreds of rounds that were captured on high speed film proving things beyond a shadow of a doubt.
30/30's are good deer cartridges simply because they've got enough accuracy and energy to reliably kill a white tail deer at the distances they're typically shot at, coupled with the fact that your average lever action 30/30 is light weight and handy enough to carry through deer territory, but not because of the brush penetrating myth that's always surrounded them, that part simply isn't true.
@@dukecraig2402 I tried my own testing with 444 Marlin 240gr bullets with a plain carboard target set in the brush and got major deflection and not a brush buster, maybe a 45/70 with 325s might do better.
I love my lever-action 30-30 for hunting...
i use my lever 30-30 and 22LR rough rider and my go to hunting combo for filling the fridge . Harvest everything ...
…….but the 300 is ugly
Not even close, the 30-30 has way better ballistic. The blackout lacks reliable expanding bullets, I've seen countless deer lost because of a blackout and I hunt in Florida where the deer average 100 lbs. The 30-30 is just proven!
They don’t lack expanding bullets people just don’t want to pay for the hood stuff.
Love my grandpas 30-30 such a beautiful rifle
I always shot a 35 Remington pump. my grandfather always shot it and left his grandsons and uncles each a 35 32 and 30 Remington pumps.
Il keep my 35 Remington,
Ron... I love you bro... but a 300 blackout will NEVER replace my 30-30
I love my old old marlin … opinions very.. good video
The 300 Blackout has become my favorite.
My GPAW hunted anything that moved in the swamp. He loved lever actions and 44 mag. He would carry a model 94 and some sorta 44 mag revolver. One ammo, 2 weapons.
If he could see it, we could eat it.
I went from an 30-06 to a 6.5 creedmoor. Love them both
Don't care for the short's format but the content is good.
First rifle was a 35 marlin lever action loved the way it busted through brush and stayed on point
Definitely would like a 30/30 and the ammo for it
Can use neither of those cartridges in my state. Thanks you .350 legend
Why can't you?
Ohio?
Iowa, you can use .35 whelen and .358 Winchester now which aren’t straight so maybe in a few years the .30-30 will finally be allowed to be used. Iowa also doesn’t restrict capacity so I could legally carry a .350 with a 30 or 40 round mag. Idk why a lever .30-30 is so bad lol
Don’t forget another reason for the 30/30 longevity was the terminal ballistics performance of the flat point bullets on energy transfer to tissue.
I personally go for the 30-06 bolt action. It's just easier to maintain and feels cooler lol
I love a good marlin chambered in 35 Remington that caliber is spicy and I love it
Me too, I just wish I'd bought more 35 Remington ammo when it could still be found for a reasonable price!
@@possumpatrol45 yeah now it’s arm and a leg for the coolest round ever
I've got a pre 63 Model 94 in 32 SPL. Awesome, awesome gun. Ammo ain't cheap though!
AR platform isn't as easy to carry as the lever action in my opinion....
But if I chose the AR platform it would be chambered 6.5 grendel. 300blk is fine also, but the 6.5 grendel is amazing, and reaches out a little further.
Lever action any day of the week and twice on the weekend.👍
I agree with the lever, but I’ll take the Marlin 336, the ‘94 can’t touch it for accuracy.