Do Assists Give You An Advantage In F1 23?
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- I've done some analysis on assist in F1 23 to figure out if they give you an actual advantage over non assist players 🤔
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As a pad player that recently went from medium TC to no TC, I instantly gained up to a second on most tracks. I noticed the majority of this time was through high speed corners, where the traction control slows you down more than you need. In chains of these corners such as in Qatar, Austin, Silverstone etc the gained lap time is absolutely massive as medium TC will prevent you from going flat/being on the limit in these corners as it effectively performs a manual lift.
Same here, I myself drive with a rig, but used medium tc and ABS, decided to turn them off and now 3 weeks in, I have instantly gained 1 1/2 second, no assists has helped loads
How can you drive on pad without TC? It's extremely hard to get the throttle control right so that the car doesn't oversteer on exit. With wheel and pedals it's easy because you have better control of the car but with pad it doesn't feel accurate enough
@@BayernSupremacy_ it just takes a lot of time to get used to, if you play the game for long enough you will be able to manage it
The hidden assist even advanced pros use: not driving in cockpit cam.
Much easier to judge corners and overtakes when you're not looking through the driver's eyes.
It wouldnt work in f1 as the game doesnt support VR or triple monitor setups, and without these you dont get any peripheral vision like you would in real life, and drivers have no sense of where other cars are, as any real driver would
@@swishfpv821they have VR though?
@@SimonElghno VR support is there
@@rag_na_rok_4193 there is vr support in 22 and 23
@@swishfpv821 Somehow people still drive in cockpit cams in other sims.
Alex, it would be interesting to assess the use of ABS with a change of break bias when compared with running no ABS at the usual 56-57%.
I use ABS and I can run lower bias, which allows the car to rotate more without the back sliding out as much…
If you play online, I think Pit Assist is a must have feature...you actually gain time with it but its less realistic.
For all offline/AI races I run with it off for realism
just watch out for the drivers in front braking lol learned that lesson
This is the one assist I really wish didn't exist. There are already TWO assists that serve the purpose to help slow down before the pit-limiter line. Removing the entire possibility to receive a penalty compared to other players with it off is just ridiculous. Unlike other assists it removes all aspects of skill from pitting and takes away from the game because of it. I'd rather them force me to have it on honestly because I'm stubborn and a believer that in ranked races it should be forced off. ABS and brake assist are there to help with it already.
Edit: Actually I'll say 3 assists because the racing line also shows you when to start braking. Like.. how much help does one need at that point. At least disable it in ranked.
Crazy how similar they are. Imo using TC or ABS should be made so that it is considerably slower than using no assists. They requires far less skill and you hardly get punished and a lot of players are even faster with them on. Would ensure more people raced without assists.
What do you play on?
ABS is fine since it’s supposed to be a big help
@@okay7844 pc with wheel no assists cockpit cam
@@danmiller8152 yeah theres your issue. A lot of people like me just cant afford to buy a wheel, so we have to use a gamepad. This means its way less simple to play the game without assists on. Is it possible? Probably. Is it worth me spending hours and hours of practicing just to be able to play a game i play for maybe an hour each day? Probably not.
@@dhevarshhe problem with this statement is that it infers that simply having pedals means no practice is required. ABS is not the same as steering inputs. If you can't play without ABS on a pad it is most probable you would also need practice to play without it on pedals too. The input method is not the issue, providing you have triggers with analogue inputs and enough throw. E.g xbox pad.
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Great video.
I like to run medium TC and ABS off, manual and cockpit cam.
I do miss ABS on opening lap mayhem online sometimes haha.
Brilliant ! Was looking for a video like this ! Thanks bro
Just bought this game, and was doing pretty well after playing for two hours (or so I thought), then I found this video, checked my settings, and realised I had traction control and ABS set to maximum. I turned them off, and lo and behold, I am spinning out at so many corners in Saudi Arabia in the Red Bull. If I could make a video request as a follow up to this, it would be how to go from driving with assists on to driving with assists off. I suppose it has to do with how I am going on and off the throttle and brake, but some pointers would be really helpful. Great job on these videos by the way! Subscribed.
The official EA Sports F1 channel explains all the assists and how to learn to play without them. They don't go into a lot of detail but I found it fairly sufficient for a start. It's for F1 22 but I imagine it's the same in 23.
The best an fastest way i learned to driver without traction control is do time trial on wet only and go as fast as you can there begin slow and then get faster every lap after you switch to dry you can control the car way better.
Almost impossible to win races with Elite assists (basically sim racing). I have looked for someone who plays like this and no luck so far. The machine still plays with the Amateur assists, so the game is unbalanced in that regard. They should make a game about this, and some sim racer player trying to beat the machine with the Elite assists.
This analysis video is spectacular. Thank for this mate. 10/10!!
Man..I was watching a F1 motor expert talk about traction out of a turn…he said that driver and engineers actually setup a small amount of whell spin to get optimum torque…
Whats interesting is with medium tc if you manage the throttle off the launch and you slam the throttle as soon as you start moving you get the perfect launch cuz the tc kicks in
Nice video Well made as well. Also Louis Welch is the only guy in esports xho uses a pad. Pretty insane, i'm a pad guy too lol
Hey Alex, hope you see this since the video was posted quite a while ago.
Something to mention when you're doing the cornering test for TC and ABS ( 7:14 - 10:55 ) is that when you were using the assists, your inputs were still those of a player not using assists i.e you were bleeding off the brake and getting on the throttle slowly.
I think a better comparison on whether TC and/or ABS is actually faster or not, would be to drive the assists as most people drive who use them i.e full brake pressure until you hit the apex (no trail braking) and slam the throttle as soon as you start accelerating.
Otherwise, really enjoyed the video and the insights.
Medium tc is perfect for me cuz its hard enough were , i have to still pedal the car especially on old tires but easy enough where im not stressing and i can still have fun
Great video, enjoyed this comparison but i have a question: How can i add the telemetry that you are running on the screen i cannot find it anywhere.
Thing about medium TC this year is that it doesnt let you wheelspin at all in the formation lap, its a bit too good
F1 23 is my first ever f1 game and I've already managed to turn off most assist while on pad. ABS was pretty easy to learn. Definitely still mess up from time to time, but I'm already getting more consistent every time I play. TC is the real killer for me, I'm still working up the courage to move down from full TC. Switching to manual gears on pad seems like a nightmare but perhaps I'll try that some day.
Complete opposite for me. I’m also on pad but the only assist I haven’t turnt of is abs lol
@@yeahyeahbsjid5125 interesting. Once I learnt and understood what trail breaking was, driving without abs wasn't too bad.
TC and ABS basically have the same concept.
With TC off you ease onto the acceleration as you exit a corner and with ABS off you ease off of the break as you enter a corner.
I have been playing these games for a while and I actually have everything off except manual gearbox and pit assist. Was kinda surprised to see those get mentioned in the first three ^^ I just think I would need to completely relearn the whole thing if I want to shift manually
ABS was made a lot weaker in F1 2019, before then it was basically no-lock button, where you could go full pressure and it would give you full pressure but not lock up so you could brake some 15-20m later
No tc in saudi is a nightmare using a controller
Practice... Be smooth on the triggers and short shift
@@ericbema8420the ps5 controller is a little impractical because the max input is registered at around half-3/4 of trigger pull
@@KoreanMF69420same with PS4 controller, not sure if it’s all controllers or just playstation controllers
@@ssigeon all controllers
I play on controller myself and have been adjusting to no TC or ABS recently... raising the throttle and brake linearity in the calibration settings definitely helps to get more precision and allows me to be alot smoother when applying or releasing pressure. Just play around with the settings until you find your own sweet spot.
how do you activate that graph in the middle of the screen?
I on controller have to have abs on as I just don’t play the game enough to learn/practice how to and just due to how easy it is to over break and lock up with a trigger and I have to use medium traction control in wet but I can use no traction control in dry races
I downloaded F123 on a whym a couple weeks ago…
I am now building by own race sim and have ordered the R5 bundle.
This is a rabbit hole I was not financially prepared for.😂
ABS is a lot more consistent as you can just slam the brakes everywhere without the fear of spinning out due to rear locking
u can turn while braking with abs assist, but it takes longer to stop the car and if you nail it, no abs youre able to brake later and carry more speed thru the apex
Where to get the telemetry widget mod that you are using I cant find it man can anyone help?
What are the chevrons next to the fuel icon on the OSD?
They need to nerf ABS assist. I say this because although I understand it is a casual game, when you’re racing wheel to wheel with someone who has ABS ON I find myself getting turned into too often because they’re allowed to brake while turning and they assume I can do the same when in reality my braking path has to be much straighter (this is not the case for every corner of course). I think this is unfair for quicker drivers or even people who are trying to learn without the assist. The only solution I can think for the ABS assist is, firstly increase the braking distance slightly as a first nerf but more importantly make it so that the car will still try to naturally stay straight when braking hard without locking up. I feel like this would actually help people learn trail braking quicker too as they’ll have a better idea of how to avoid having their steering restricted under braking and slowly start to learn correct braking/turning technique.
they need to make the car slower when braking while turning with abs on
Thank you Alex for this brilliant vidieo
I drive with basically every assist off except for ABS and the only reason for that is because my break pedal is absolutely garbage, if i even touch it slightly it’ll go to 80-100% immediately, i’ll have it pressed down to 25% and it’ll actually be braking at 80%, while when i drive karts i’m easily able to not lock my tires during braking, yes i have tried getting used to it but it’s just not something that can be solved by just skill, I’ll probably have to buy new pedals.
Edit: yes i’ve also tried changing the brake pressure in the game but it only slightly solves the issue and still locks my brakes.
Loadcells are the way to go then. turned abs off and i got used to it in 1-2hours of driving
@@Cnlne thanks, i’ll try it out.
Using assists should come with a weight penalty. By all means provide stability and be able to reasonably compete. But they should never allow you to go faster than those who choose a realistic challenge
what if people just wanna enjoy the game while being able to have a life as well? horrible take but ill let it slide
Even more horrible take, it really doesn’t take that much time to learn XD
@@matmatmatamatvsjdjfhthats fine, just tale the penalty and play against people that take that penalty too. Realistically tho, this is a stupid discussion, once a player with mo assists puts a few hours into learning, you’ll be 2 secs behind him so no problem
@@KionP14 it is a stupid discussion because people shouldnt be forced to play without assists and get a penalty for not doing it.
I was wondering if traction control on 2022 was responsible for the a.i leaving me for dead on corner exit?
The racing line was the first thing I switched off
great vid! I use controller and started using medium TC. Gonna try to get used to it!
I’m on pad no traction control this year is so easy and I recommend everyone to take a few days to get used to it makes u so much faster. You will be awful at first but like anything just keep on at it and u will be good eventually, with abs I can’t get used to it on pad.
This man really said the racing line isn’t worth any time. For anyone but the absolute top level players, over a race distance, it’s definitely worth time.
I’m a mediocre player, and I started going MUCH faster when I finally disabled it.
No racing line force you to actually learn to take corners, and break later.
As a person who always uses assists this is rlly useful
Depends on the grip of the track too
You can get blistering on F1 23?? Is it visual?
Im using the game controller and the only assist i have on is the racing line. Im very bad at identifying braking points
What if we had medium ABS?
What is the telemetry thing
Should I use automatic gear assist on controller?
Nah - it's the automatic gearbox that's the first thing to switch off. Tested it last game when I was still on gamepad with medium TC and ABS on and without auto I was around a second faster at the minimum
I don't drive with assists on any sim-racing game, and in my view assists should be disabled for any competitive online racing.
As a pad player this is the first year i’ve gone no assists (exception being gearbox as i just dont like having to move my hand to hit the gears properly)
Compared to previous games its so much easier to go no assists but tyre wear! Jeeeez that is a killer for me!!!!
I do drive without assists on ACC and AC but cannot simply understand F1 way of work. Just don't transfer at all and tbh all players leave everything on which does not really help on the "realistic" side of things... anyway great video!
why the hell would i turn DRS assist off?
Since F1 2009 to 2023 I have no idea what driving with assist feels like, I've never used any assist not even T-Cam.
You talk as fast as an f1 car corners 😂 I had trouble keeping up with what you were saying
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@Alex Gillon, where can I find the telemetry overlay you use?
yea i need this answer too :P help people whats he using :)
It's called RaceLabs
Using no abs on controller is near impossible. The trigger simply cant simulate a brake pedal good enough & trail braking is very inconsistent unless you have the hands of a surgeon. No TCS is definitely faster for me but no abs im forever locking wheels with the trigger no matter what settings are set for it.
i play with assist off but gearbox on and with that im 2 sec slow only with auto gearbox :l
this honestly explains why i keep punting people in braking zones, abs on makes a huge different wow
Pad triggers are so inconsistent. You need the assists
In a couple years time assist is gonna be better than no assist. Don’t want it to become like that
Started playing in 2019 on F1 2018 from gamepass then went to 19, skipped 20 kinda and then 21 I turned off TC and it went well and now at the of 22s life cycle I turned off the racing line and since I've played so much it wasn't that hard for me to learn to drive with it off. I always said I'll never turn off line and now I have but ABS is something I don't think I can be asked with learning because I love to brake during corners and stuff and I just don't want to be locking up
get loadcells trust me it helps alot
@@Cnlne Nah I'm fine using a controller
I’m currently playing on Medium TC and I’m competitive on 102-104 AI depending on the track. Starting to play without auto gears & slowly switching to 0 TC.
You should definitely start playing with manual gears you have so much more control of the car in the corners and for TC I would say get used to manual first and then Turn it off
I honestly love that ABS is weaker (in the straight braking at least)
Overall it isn't. You're so much more consistent on abs, especially in tricky corners. The braking power may be weaker but in basically every corner abs is just as fast, if not faster especially with the aggressive brakes that we have to run in this game
@@NLR_Knuth abs is literal cheats in this game its so sad😭especially in the wet
@@brad-_- Yeah it's pretty brutal sometimes, even on a high level. It isn't as bad as 2-3 years ago I'd say, but some people on abs made a huge jump this game
Depends on the pedals tbf. I used to have the logitech 920 or something and kept locking eventually turning it off. Got the csl dd now and i never lock using those pedals
what kind of telemetry tool is that?
I always find it funny about assists, the game is easier with assists off because you can go much faster 🤪
i took abs off 3 days ago and the racing line completly so 0 assists im like 1-2 seconds slower but the long run im 100% sure its gonna be faster.
@@Cnlnehow fast are you now?
@@Coreyturner1000 i was 0.5-1 sec slower then the tot time but i had a good setup with good brakes but sadly i had to stop playing it cause u was hurting my knee :/
I've just driven miami qualy once with medium TC and once with full. And with full I am by 0.7 sec faster...
TC off is the fastest...
Why would you test a couple of turns? Thats way too short, you should have run whole laps and compared the tractions...
*People who don't use any assists right of the bat looking down on all of these plebs in the comments saying they are gradually reducing their assists*
Pathetic
someone's upset
Same started without assist because iknew i was gonna turn it off later so might as well do it right then and there
I'm a pad player, I've been using no TC since f1 2019, only assists I use are ABS and racing line corners only, not for the line itself but for the braking point, I struggle to find my braking points on tracks where the meter boards are on the wall, baku, jeddah, canada in some corners etc, I wonder how people do it, anyway I can beat the AI level 100 on every track
I use racing line but you should learn ABS off it’s very doable
No traction control on controller is ridiculously hard unless you're experienced as you said, when you do nail it tho it's so much more satisfying, and faster
It's not as hard as it was last year though.
I just got f1 23 (new to it), super hard for traction (like in Bahrain turn 1 to 3
@@DanTheStripe I'll try it out then, thanks
@@kuroisme3980finding a setup helps a lot and best place to start is brakes and transmission it surprising the difference you can feel changing them and where traction lies on each track, hint; you’ll see it in the delta.
Hello Alex, The title of your video : "do assists give you an advantage in F1 23 ?" and straight away you come up with pit assist : "turn it off for realism"... OK but what about the title of the video ?
unfortunately these kind of videos never take a slippery track into consideration when testing TC
med tc in the wet is less op in this game than f122
Nah, braking assist on low or medium is the way to go for the majority of drivers. If you think I'm wrong then go back into time trial mode, load up your setup for your current fastest time, turn on brake assist to low and see what time you now set. Faster right? On some tracks medium brake assist is better than low.
Pathetic no cap lmao
I'd say also, try to stop using flashbacks as soon as you start feeling comfortable on everything, car, tracks, etc. It changes your driving mentality when you know you can't just flashback, and if you ever want to race online, or in full sims like iracing, obviously you won't have that option. So start to train your brain now to not use them.
Or just keep it on and play more online races because the AI can do some crazy things sometimes
The ABS data is so confusing
It takes longer too stop the car stopped compared to no abs.
Want to see keyboard players (like me) playing with traction control and ABS off.
Please, play the 2007 season's mod in F1 2020.
TL;DR How do you pump a 2 seconds video "just turn off all your assist" to 14min
That is how videos work Albert
To see the difference 😂
assits r cheats
I’m on controller and the only assist I have on is gears, just feels unnatural for my hands to be that busy, just wish I could afford a wheel cause I’m one of those people who thinks with enough practice I’ll be world champion 😂
Saving up for a decent elite controller with the extra triggers and maybe I’ll use those as gears.