Israelis: What do you think of Karaite Jews?
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Karates don’t just believe in the Torah (the first five books) they believe in the whole Tanakh, get your facts straight.
Exactly, this guy does not know the difference between the Sadducees and Karaite Judaism.
@@tombutler7296 The "Mount Gerizim" thing made me cringe a bit, I'll admit. But it's not unexpected either.
Karaites commandments originate from Torah only, and not Nevi'im or Ktuvim.
Unlike the Rabbanic Judaism, which contains more than one bible/doctrine (Mishna, Talmud, and such).
shit i got a blackbelt in karate and i never read any of those books
@@tombutler7296 and samaritans too
Karaite Jews are to Judaism what Protestants are to Christianity. It's the concept of "sola scriptura", i.e. the adherence solely to revelation/scripture and not to the opinions of scholars, priests or religious theocratic centralized authorities (Catholic Church for instance).
The same branch pattern can be found in Islam also. A small section that adheres to the Quran only, and excluding the hearsay compilations of scholars and priests that constitute the Hadith books.
It's interesting with the guy at 4:00, because he makes the same arguments that Orthodox Muslims make when I'm engaged in a discussion with them, them going along the lines of "well how would you know this detail and that detail if you rely solely on revelation?", just like that guy there. Because I'm a Muslim that adheres solely to the Quran, in the same way as Karaite Jews adhere solely to the Torah. Actually beyond that I also recognize the Torah, Gospel and the Psalms as scripture, since belief in them is a stated requirement in the Quran. However I analyze and read them in the light of the Quran still.
Except we aren't protesting or Reforming anything. We were here first.
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@Arian Ansari Jam ,
Then what name do you suggest that The Quran should use to refer to The Creator and Sustainer of all existence?
Arab Christians also use Allah as the proper name, just as Westerners use God. Does this make God into a one eyed old man with a hawk on his shoulder because it was a term used by ancient pagans for their deity in their own proper linguistic format in ancient times?
Why don't you call him Yahweh? Or why not even Eloh/Elohim? At least Allah is merely a dialectal variance of Eloh I mean. Why do you use Jehovah? Why do you call the Messiah Jesus? That's definitely not his real name, you pervert all important names knowingly. How can you live with that hypocrisy?
Among other names The Quran also uses Al Rahman (The Most Gracious) and Al Raheem (The Most Merciful) from time to time. It's explicitly clear in its verses that to him belong the most beautiful of names, and only such proper ones should be used as reference and that you can call him by whatever name you like within those bounds. For all I care, we can all just agree to call Him by the name of Almighty, that's fine by me.
The narrative of Abraham in the Quran is not explicit regarding which son he intended to sacrifice. Even if it was explicit about Ishmael being the sacrifice, I would adhere by The Quran first, and hold The Torah as a secondary flawed source. I don't trust Jews to present proper knowledge, or even preserve it. They are a cursed and rebellious people, having been as exalted in the presence of The Almighty as satan once was, but despite all that rebel and constantly engage in the deception of mankind.
As for Moses, same thing. The Quran is consistent within itself as to the narrative of Moses. I uphold The Quran as my primary source. I didn't come to worship The Almighty because of The Bible, I did it because of The Quran. That is my guiding light and my central pillar. I acknowledge The Bible in general because it adheres to the main general elements in The Quran. If it didn't, I would discard it completely.
I'm not sure about what you mean by The Almighty calling the angles his sons, or calling Israel or Jacob or his posterity as such. Even within the context of the biblical text that can never be interpreted as angels being physical sons of Him. The term "son" is used quite liberally in The Bible, but no one in proper faith would understand that in any pagan way that is contrary to Abrahamitic pure monotheism.
I'm born into an Islamic background but raised and lived as an atheist. I've come to be conscious of The Almighty through The Quran. I've tried to read The Bible, but it does not sit fully with me in every single detail to the same extent as The Quran does. Hence to me it is a secondary source with potential discrepancies. I even read apocrypha from time to time as an extra source material when I feel like looking into more things, taken with some reserved but curious caution and a pinch of salt.
@Arian Ansari Jam ,
Well God in the Torah identifies himself as Elohim (God) and Yahweh Elohim (The Lord God), if you go by translations. Eloh is obviously not a general term since it is used to explicitly refer to GOD when the extension of -im is added. Some argue that -im denotes reverence, while others claim it denotes a plural form, which would sort of be a form of reverence. In any case, it ultimately serves the same function is Al- does in Al-Ilah (The God).
Jesus is definitely not the proper name of the Messiah, or the Man as you claim. Don't know if you have a Jewish belief rejecting Jesus.
Also my argument about Arab Christians makes perfect sense because it clarifies that the name used for God is the proper linguistic form that should be used in the Arabic tongue. You'd have to be stupid to say Yahweh Allah or Yahweh God rather than Yahweh Elohim when you're speaking Hebrew. If you mean to refer to God in a certain language then you use the proper form of that language. It's simple, I don't understand why you're making a "lol" out of something so obvious, if you're intent on being serious and sincere here.
If I believe in previous scripture? Well do you believe in the scripture of Zoroastrianism or Hinduism? Did God just send scripture to the Jews only, to the exclusion of other nations? Does that make sense to you? Unless you have the mindset that Jews are a special race to whom all others are merely cattle whom God does not give anything to. Right?
So what happened then to all other revelations given throughout time to the nations? Is monotheism the original pure religion, and is polytheism a corruption of the original true religion? How did it come to that state if not through corruption?
The similitude given in The Quran of the Jewish priesthood is that of a donkey carrying huge tomes on its back. I think that's a pretty good similitude seeing the state of things. What you're trying to do is to exert your own version of reconciliation on others, by stating that if your Torah is not acknowledged completely down to the smallest detail, then it cannot be used as a material to which one could refer to, even as a secondary source filtered through a primary one. You're just playing word games here that are contrary to reason.
I have The Quran which is a compact and consistent primary material. I can use this to analyze other secondary materials or even draw inspiration from it if what I find there aligns with my primary source. Since I don't find Zoroastrian or Hindu writings to generally align with The Quran, I don't even bother to look much further into them, even though there may be some small extracts that do resonate.
So let me ask you now. Where are the other revelations given to the other nations? Did God´s revelations get corrupted? Or are Jews a highborn race enjoying nearness to God to the exclusion of others, who are nothing but cattle and couldn't possibly have such a relationship with Him?
What about apocrypha? What about The Book of Enoch or 2 Esdras? Did God's word get corrupted?
What about Jacob wrestling with God Almighty in the spiritual realm and supposedly defeating Him? God forbid. So you seriously believe that? Or is there something very disturbingly wrong here, even within the context of The Torah itself without the magical maneuverings of Kabbalistic Talmudish Gemora type of numerological mysticist interpretations?
Why would any man of proper faith believe nonsense just because it's backed by a pompous set of nonsensical bearded men? The proper approach will have to be to use one´s God given intellect and heart to discern right from wrong, truth from falsehood, and use the best source as an aid to educate his mind and soul as to what in heaven is going on in this mad place we live in.
@Arian Ansari Jam ,
You're really being intentionally difficult here, avoiding a proper discussion by insisting on just bashing your arguments and views without taking into account the arguments I am putting forward from a Quranic perspective. You're just running away from the questions I put forward to you in return that are extremely relevant to the issue at hand.
But never mind the questions then. Just the simple basic truth.
Here, I'll simplify:
1) Quran states that all peoples have received prophets or messengers.
2) It states that Jews received a lot of prophets and revelations, more than anyone.
3) Further it states clearly that Jewish priests play around with words to change the meaning of revelation and that their example is like a donkey carrying huge tomes, and that they hide knowledge intentionally.
Now since The Quran states that it is a requirement of faith to believe in above points, you are telling me that I have to accept The Torah of these Jews down to the finest detail, when the Quran clearly warns and gives examples of how the Jews fail in their proper preservation of scripture and that they are not to be trusted.
Do you see the very simplified and simple point here now? You say that I have to accept the entire Torah as it is, while The Quran clearly states that Jews are not to be trusted in preserving scripture. Because once upon a long time ago revelation was given, you say that belief in that requires belief in the current state of The Torah, which is insane and tricksterly insidious.
You are making an argument that is ignorant of what The Quran is actually putting forward, and then you have the audacity to claim that I somehow fail in reconciling, when in fact I am doing exactly what The Quran says, believe that previous revelations have been given and treat the Jews as deceitful people that hide knowledge and alter words and meanings. You'd have to be stupid to trust everything the Jews give out when The Quran is that clear on the issue. Either that or you'd have to be a deceitful Jewophile that cowers from proper questions and argument and only reiterates pre-memorized scewed tricksters interpretations.
I get the impression that you are somewhat of a defeated man in life. Having abandoned the good things given to you once, and now left out for the dogs all in confusion. Nothing left but hiding behind a wall of standardized and memorized arguments to protect an otherwise vulnerable and empty core, and hence incapable of a genuine conversation that would threaten that insecure and defeated core.
I cannot believe it. You met realזkaraimis and asked them so little about them. Pity.
The fact he went and did this segment without knowing virtually ANYTHING at all about them sort of annoys me, to be honest.
However, I'd encourage him to tackle the subject again, with more knowledge. And more energy.
This could have been solved by being interested, and reading a few Wikipedia pages
He seemed to be more interested in making a video to upload, as opposed to having a conversation about it, or doing the "homework" unfortunately.
Corey's English pronunciation of the word "Karaite" was a bit off, but the Hebrew was spot on. Karaite Judaism is not a "Torah Only" movement. It is rather holds that the TaNakh is the only divine word of the Creator. I also find it mildly assuming that the interviewer is asking the opinions of non-kippah wearing secular Jews. I once had a conversation with the Karaite Chief Rabbi, Moshe Yosef Firrouz, who told me he believed that less than five percent of the Israeli conversation knew what Karaite Judaism was.
Rav Firrouz is a wonderful man and a friend. He's suffering badly while recovering from back surgery. Pray for him.
@@Meira750 Oh I didn't know! I hope he speedily returns to his fully functioning self.
@@ZviJ1 He had the surgery the end of Aug. and I'm in Italy so I don't know how he is doing but I think ok. He actually got himself from Beer Sheva to Ramle for my divorce Beit Din the first of Sept.
True. I lived in Ofakim with my late husband. We had done a friendly divorce about 4 months previously so I wasn't with him when he passed. Ofakim was founded by Karaites and there is a large synagogue there with an active rabbi. Chacham Firrouz teaches there every Tuesday. So, I am living in Haifa and I asked for a wellness check on my ex. By the time the police notified me, I couldn't travel to the South til the next morning. I was in such shock, because he had been healthy, I couldn't find the rabbi's phone number. I tried to tell the police where he lived and to go tell him but they didn't understand. As a result, they contacted the Rabbinic chevre kadisha and he was buried there. I asked them not to wait because he had been gone for possibly 24 hours already. Even with a presence in the town, the cop, who was religious didn't know who the Karaites were. The Karaites were a little upset but they understood. And point to the Ashkenazim who deny us, THE CHEVRE KADISHA ACCEPTED HIS BODY AND GAVE HIM A JEWISH BURIAL.
RELIGIONS ARE THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.
Anyone who believes in any kind of RELIGION ....are in fact the ROOT CAUSE of all the warring strife through the millennia .....the ROOT CAUSE of wars and murders ....to this very day.
RELIGIONS are FACTIONS of people who cannot live with other FACTIONS of people ...which alone, provide PROOF that "RELIGION" ....is the ROOT OF ALL EVIL.
There is no "evidence" of a GOD anywhere. It is the combination of people very prepared and WANTING to try to CONVINCE others that there IS a GOD ....and a very willing society WANTING to BELIEVE in SOMETHING called a GOD. This is done by creating a script or text that becomes the symbol that is FOLLOWED ......which the willing society is very prepared to do ....no different than a flock of sheep .....MINDLESSLY FOLLOWING ANYONE WHO WANTS TO PREACH.
RELIGION ....THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL ......and societies ALL PREPARED TO FOLLOW AND DO WHATEVER IT TAKES .....for the last two MILLENNIA.
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So I'm not the only one that at first read that as "karate" Jews. Good.
BJJ Jews are better.
Implying Jews are athletic anyway.
Stacy Turner
Perhaps if we consider the brain a muscle x)
See, because its not. Always they get you with the postmodern woo. Relativism. LOL.
I always considered the brain a muscle. you exercise it, it gets stronger. reading a good book is like 30 push ups or 10 pull ups. Doing a math problem is like a 3 mile jog.
3:10 Karaites do NOT believe in matrilineal descent
@East West Y-Chromosomal analysis disagrees-and only Crimean Karaites are historical Turkish speaking. The largest community is Egyptian.
@@benscott4434 the east European karaites are also turkic speaking
@@TheWillystyla "Crimean Karaites" is a difficult term. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Karaites#Geographic_distribution It includes Eastern European Jews to be sure, those whose ancestors came from Turkic regions. Yet though the term is broad and includes Jews who don't live in Crimea, it does not include all populations of Karaites--most notably the Egyptian ones.
@@benscott4434 official numbers show karaites in Europe, America, Turkey and Israel, they don't exist official numbers about karaites from Egypt they are just estimates
@@TheWillystyla The vast majority of the world's Karaites now live in Israel, but the largest group of them is *historically* Egyptian. I certainly would not argue that there aren't a lot of Jews in Egypt. They were all expelled.
I love karaoke Jews.
Karaoke jews.... like singing and dancing in a bar?
you're drunk again jackson
I love Winkelbums
I know a black belt Karate Jew
lol
Interesting video, both entertaining yet educational and respectful.
As a Christian I am a little floored that people find Torah difficult to understand without Talmud. Additionally, I have heard of some practices under Talmud and they seem to contradict the Torah. Speaking as an outsider (no disrespect intended) but I don't think this is a good look; it basically puts the revealed Word of God (who never changes) in subjugation to words of men (who do change and are sinful). This puts man's authority over God's. Excuse me, but doesn't that ring a little false to anyone else?
To me that sounds very similar to what led to the inquisition in Christianity, when Christians who believed the Bible had greater authority than the pope were tortured and received capital punishment. I am blown away to learn that Jews seem to struggle with the same thing; that is taking the word of man over the Word of God.
Simple. The only reason we know what an Orlah in Hebrew is, is because it is explained in the Talmud. Just so you know the Torah says you have to cut the Orlah on the 8th day of the baby being born. Orlah is what G-d called in Hebrew the foreskin. Without the Oral law there would have been thousands of opinions where or what the Orlah was. One jew would have said maybe its the finger, the other would have said maybe its the nail, one would have said no you fools its the ear lobe, so on and so forth. Thats one example of the many. Here is another one. The Law in the Torah says to make fringes on the corner of the garments and put a tehelet on it. No one would know exactly how the fringe is supposed to be made, tied, colored, what animal or plant part your allowed to use, etc Nothing at all without the oral law. The Talmud is the reason why the fringes are tied how they are, why we cut the forskin, why we observe shabbat the way we do. The Torah has the Law but no explanation how to practice the law. The Talmud is the explanation on how each law is supposed to be practiced. The information was given to Moses and then given to Sanhedrin (The Great Assembly) which was the codifier of the oral law for Israel that was appointed by G-d in the Torah. G-d said in the Torah whatever this court says you must do as if it were given by my mouth. So as a Jew we dont understand how you think you understand Torah and its 613 Laws without the Talmud and we also see clearly what happens without it, meaning the THOUSANDS of Christian sects cause one had a different opinion than the other about the rules.
You got it
Well, Hebrew isn't that literal. It's a conceptual language BUT you're essentially correct. People have been trying to interpret language that meant something 3,500 years ago by today's standards. If you don't know the culture, history and tradition of those words, you will get it wrong. The Talmud was written in Exile 1,500 years after the Written Torah so even the Sages made mistakes.
talmud by definition is a collection of different opinions and arguments between smart rabbie, because everyone see the Tora differently it has conterdiction between itself, but not the old testament, though it might conterdict the new one since Jews didn't really looked or read it.
@@Meira750
you right. many Muslims told me that "Adam" the first human was speaking Arabic because the word is the acadikike word to all human race. I fixed him saying that "adam" is not the human race in Hebrew it's one man, and "son of adam" is referring to human race. so he was wrong because he didn't know the little difference between the two.
"If they find logic beneath what they aspire-go for it!".
Very interesting that you actually found some to interview.
kARAITE JEWS keepimg it 100 per cent torah no tracer!!!
there are also a group called quranism in islam where people only follow the quran without the hadith books and tafsir (commentary)
no one cares about your poop religion islam
How does that work lol? The Quran is even shorter than the Old Testament. I don't know how you could construct an entire religion on it alone.
@@TomorrowWeLive Yazidis, Druzes and Zoaros will trip you out lol
Cool
@@TomorrowWeLive There are a fair amount of Quran-only Muslims out there, numbering in the thousands. But they're a tiny minority compared to the majority. And yes, there are several movements within Islam that accepted this to some extent or another historically, actually. Most of them don't exist anymore, due to persecution, obviously.
In addition, some VERY early Muslims rejected the version of the Quran presented by Uthman, which he said was compiled by Abu Bakr but kept private, and that he was asking for all versions in order to compare, though he later destroyed them.
Spoiler: most scholars don't believe this claim; they tend to think that he compiled the Quran from those various fragments himself. There's actually some very decent archaeological evidence for this, as well as a few variant versions that are much earlier.
I'm not sure of the point made by "Cali Native", as none of those groups accept the Quran, and almost all of them predate Islam in some form, even the Yazidis. Their religion is a combination of Islam and aspects of their pre-Islamic tradition. The Druze follow a version of Islam that heavily incorporates Greek philosophy. And the Zoroastrians predate Muhammad by over a thousand years.
lol corey, i think in 1:28 these people thought you were gonna preach them?
yep they probably did. many people in israel who speak hebrew but with an american accent like correy are doing missionary work and preaching people randomly in the streets in israel about messianic judaism and and about jesus being the messiah. so no wonder they thought thats what going to happen
KURD MEANS STRONG! I pray for the Kurds. You have always been a partner of the Jewish people.
@@user-ez9vl1yx9y That’s exactly what i thought too!
I'm not Jewish nor Israelites, but that Karaite mother melts my heart I don't know why mashAllah.
Because her words embody the true meaning of Torah, unadded to or subtracted from.
Meira Avrahami This has happened to almost all religions of the world. They receive revelation and guidance from the creator, then they follow their desires and corrupt these revelations with their own words and attribute it to G-d
@@HA-vy9ow I don't disagree
It's not Judaism. It's worse than how Sunnis believe Shia corrupted Islam.
Corey is like the vegan of the Jews. "Hey, I thought you should know I'm an Atheist. Oh, you didn't ask? Why not?! That's insulting. I'll tell you anyway."
Karaites keep paternal line like ancient israelites, not maternal.
Where did there whole maternal lining root, be this beneath Koestler's 13th tribe?
rimefrostkitten It’s from the oral law, or what’s it called, that one other book 😂
I-P37 Exactly! The oral law is man made and isn’t biblical
They were black not red
Hey Corey, i like this concept of your channel. I wish another people make this same concept in their countries.
I am sorry for assuming but your name sounds Turkish. What about a channel that interviews Kurds and Ethnic Turks?
It's not the same couse Israel Is a holy land to the Jews muslims and christians
RELIGIONS ARE THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.
Anyone who believes in any kind of RELIGION ....are in fact the ROOT CAUSE of all the warring strife through the millennia .....the ROOT CAUSE of wars and murders ....to this very day.
RELIGIONS are FACTIONS of people who cannot live with other FACTIONS of people ...which alone, provide PROOF that "RELIGION" ....is the ROOT OF ALL EVIL.
There is no "evidence" of a GOD anywhere. It is the combination of people very prepared and WANTING to try to CONVINCE others that there IS a GOD ....and a very willing society WANTING to BELIEVE in SOMETHING called a GOD. This is done by creating a script or text that becomes the symbol that is FOLLOWED ......which the willing society is very prepared to do ....no different than a flock of sheep .....MINDLESSLY FOLLOWING ANYONE WHO WANTS TO PREACH.
RELIGION ....THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL ......and societies ALL PREPARED TO FOLLOW AND DO WHATEVER IT TAKES .....for the last two MILLENNIA.
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That was really interesting; thank you.
In karaism we believe in the FULL TANACH, both orthodox and karaite put it on our door post. We don't put the shema, orthodox had many verses, we do the 10 commandments.
Karisim is a myth
Even the beita israel community which were sepretad from the rest of the Jews since the 8th century bc - shows a much closer resemblance of rabbinic jewdaims then kariate jewdism.
karaism jews are ethnic Turks (tatars) who converted to judaism in the 7th century
@@oghuzkhan5117 Khazars are Turks but not Yahadut Qara'it! It comes from the Word Kara wich means reading,and Yahadut Qara'it they been called the Readers!
Exacly Achoti!
@@oghuzkhan5117 Wrong
Karaites are awesome !
I think that Karaite Judaism does make sense.
It's not entirely different from the evangelical movement in Christianity. They don't know the historical origin of the Oral Torah, so they don't accept it as authoritative. They believe that most of it is a product of a much later time, and partly the innovations of Rabbis,. And that some of the interpretations of Scripture are "colorful", to say the least. Archaeology and textual evidence supports some of these notions. Still.... That's not to say that they don't use the Mishnah as a reference. They actually do. They just would rather trust the ancient texts over rabbis of the Late Classical period, and early Middle Ages.
@@willsofer3679 Karaites do not take the fake "Oral Law" as binding but as you say, do extract what wisdom there is to be had from the Rabbinic texts. I needed an opinion to a certain point of law in my divorce. If the Karaites have addressed it, I don't read Hebrew well enough. I was able to find the Rabbinic pov in English from several sources and used that, not as a legal argument but as wisdom and correct interpretation of the act under discussion.
We should go to the ancient texts. They are closer to the source. Furthermore, God constantly talks about reading from the Book he has given us. He also admonishes us not to add to or take away from it.
@Meira Lettieri the Karait position is self-defeating. We are coming up now on Passover, which is also determined via oral Torah. So they celebrate it using Rabbinical tradition as to when the date is. So that is hypothetical of them. In any case, the Torah tells us to talk to our children and relate to them the story of the Exodus. It should have told us to read from them excerpts from the Torah, but it doesn't. Oh yeah. As for the Torah itself. If you go to a Karait synagogue, you will see that they use a Torah scroll written according to the instructions given to us by the Talmud. And what is even more striking is the fact that they use the interpretations of the Rambam - the mortal enemy of the Karaits who defeated them in Egypt.
I think it makes more sense honestly
@@NicholasPetersVT" an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind."
Very informative thanks.
People are totally confusing Karaites with the Samaritans, the American haredi guy at 2:21 said he thinks they make saxcrifices on Mt Gerizim (nope, that's the Samaritans) and the guy at 8:15 said "they have a place in the Shomron". Many Orthodox people people said they're not sure if they're considred Jews or not under halakha.
The truth is, the rabbinic halakhic opinion has traditionally been that while Karaism and its rejection of the Oral Tradition is considered a heresy, the followers of Karaism are in fact Jews, whereas the Samaritans (who have some similar beliefs) are not considered Jews. However, as of late, modern neo-Karaites (led by Nehemia Gordon) have been conducting conversions to Karaite Judaism (something eschewed by Karaite Jews in the past) and if the movement grows through conversion, its followers won't be considered Jews by Rabbanite Jews who follow halahic criiteria.
You are a wee bit confused. The conversions have been carried out under the auspices of the Council of Sages which leads the traditional Qaraites of mostly Egyptian extraction, at the Qaraite synagogue in Daly City, CA. While the "neo-Qaraites" initiated this renewal of conversions through the Qaraite movement after a break of several centuries, the Chief Rabbi, who leads the aforementioned Council of Sages, is one of the teachers at the online school that prepares people for conversion, which is known as Karaite Jewish University.
There are 50000 Qaraite Jews at most. I think by the point where former gentiles will be even 20% of all Qaraite Jews, there is a good chance the Orthodox Rabbinate (everywhere) will have lost their power to cause hardship to other types of Jews. If this will be the case, their opinion will not really matter apart from being aware what the Orthodox (and Conservative, to the extent it will remain committed to Halakha) view is.
Halakha is certainly correct that the Samaritans are non-Jewish, which also the Samaritans insist on. I often bemoan that some do consider the Samaritans Jewish despite the facts.
I guess it's a good thing that the Best Jew abolished all these manmade traditions and fulfilled the Law on the cross...
It's really hilarious to watch Jews bicker and debate over trivial, manmade nonsense. Fascinating.
@Zvi
When you say the " the Chief Rabbi, who leads the aforementioned Council of Sages," don't you mean the "Hakham"? Isn't the whole point of Qaraism (I'll use your transliteration, which is more accurate) that they don't acknowledge rabbinical authority?
Thank you for your correction about the conversions being done under the auspices of the Daly City Qaraites, but my point was that if Qaraites do perform conversions, which they are now doing, the offspring of mixed marriages between Qaraites won't be considered halakhically Jewish by Orthodox standards if they are the issue of a female proselyte to Qaraite Judaism, just as Orthodox will reject as Jews the children of women who converted to Reform or Conservative Judaism. However, it's my understanding that for centuries, marriages between Rabbinate and Qaraite Jewish families among the Jews of Egypt wasn't uncommon and nobody had to "convert" to the other sect, which meant that they the religious authorities of both groups viewed each other as Jewish (perhaps erring Jews), just as even the strictest Orthodox Jew regards a follower of Reform Judaism (or an atheist Jew)who can prove he or she has a Jewish mother as a Jew.
@M Benyossef
You are correct on the proper nomenclature for the Qaraite clergy. Problem is, the traditional Qaraites have been very influenced by Rabbinic Judaism that they have massively used the title rabbi to refer to their modern Sages. And they cannot expect to be exempted altogether of the consequences of this choice.
Omni Codex
i am le enlightened and above le man made religion *tips fedora* pitiful sheep
I'm a Jew but my judaism would be similar to the Samaritans. To be honest, modern Judaism is based on the Talmud not the Torah. They added a lot of false shit to it and basically that form of Judaism was created by the Pharisees.
Its really important for people to understand that Judaism does NOT have one single form. There's still are SEVERAL MOVEMENTS and MINORITY who refused to follow the creation of this new religion.
I hope you don't mind -- could you please elaborate on why your form of Judaism is similar to Samaritanism?
@@ZviJ1 Hello dear, I only believe that Moses came backfrom the Sinai with the Torah and ONLY the Torah when modern Ashkenazi Jews want you to believe my man Moshe came back with two shits including the Talmud. The Talmud is a discussion of thousands rabbis who reflect on how living Judaism in the modern world. They literally managed to create or forge their own culture around it. When people convert to Judaism today they actually convert to a modern Eastern European or Sefardic philisophy not to the real Torah. The Samaritans do not celebrate things which are not included in the Torah. Plus, the Ethiopian Jews are the ones with the closest form of Judaism from the 2nd Temple according to studies made by Israeli researchers. So yeah it's a lot of practices I don't do because I reject the Talmud.
Exactly modern day Judaism is completely different to pre Pharisee
@@Kabeyavictoria Oh so you don't believe Mt. Gerizim is the Chosen Place?
@@KabeyavictoriaIIRC Ethiopian Judaism includes various fasts that aren't mentioned in the Miqra. It also adds to the Torah a rule that yelling is forbidden on the weekly Sabbath, apart from not fasting completely on Yom haKippurim if it falls on a Shabbat. Such additions and modifications aren't my speed.
Corey, why did you cut off the interview with Miriam? I would have liked to learn more about their traditions and beliefs. Minorities within Judaism are rarely heard.
I'd be more interested in Orthodox Jews. They're a minority within Judaism. Karaites seem like they're crazy. Moses was told to take his shoes off at the burning bush so you take your shoes off in the synagogue? You don't use heat on the Sabbath? No lights on the Sabbath, even if they were lit beforehand? They're nuts.
@@morehn I'd like to listen to both sides, but Corey cut off all the important stuff
@@morehn it sounds like you are projecting what some claim and not turning on a light on is just as crazy. How is pushing a switch work and if they forgot to turn the light on or off to sleep.what do they do. Many of them cheat.
@@alk158 I don't know what you're talking about and I don't know anyone who would call themselves Orthodox who cheats and turns on lights. Maybe you know other people in your community but I've never seen it or heard of it.
Learn about electricity and then answer your own question if you want to know if and why it's forbidden. That also assumes that you already know what the halacha prohibits.
@@morehn If they need to sleep and forgot to turn the light off they do. Why should they suffer? You don't have to know anything about electricity to push a switch. THe reasoining is just as crazy. It is easy to forget but it isn't work to push a switch. The Term Orthodox isn''t even a Jewish term. You do know that. I don't think Greek Orthodox Christians or Orthodox Russian Church is any better then any other Christian.
This is the best question so far.
Torah says maternal line must not be broken? Where does it say that? What about David’s lineage?
Interesting , thanks from Belfast, EIRE
I think if you're a proper Jew you should learn Krav Maga instead of Karate.
TOUCHÉ! I agree!
oh I guess I'm a proper jew...(first time someone's telling me this 😆)
Can you do a newer version of this Corey? An updated version. Thank you
(King David has two Gentile women in his genealogy.)
Every Boaz looks for his Ruth...
@@maggoli67 It was more like Ruth looked for Boaz, wasn't it?
According to Torah, all one has to do to "convert" is to follow the law but of course the rabbinics have added the other stuff so now conversion requires study and often expense.
@@JungleJargon In every case, if you study the TaNaKh, you will see it is the woman who is brought to the man, not vice versa. Even when Abraham sent Eliezer to find Isaac a wife, Rebecca walked out to where he was sitting, he didn't go knocking on doors.
@@Meira750 ok
I'm a Jew and I had no idea that different sects of Judaism existed. I've learned so much from this channel!
Serch for nehemiah Gordon a great scholar, he has tons of discoveries.
The most popular one is the Greek Jesus vs the Hebrew Yeshua
Nehemia Gordon is a Jewish Scripturalist, but not specifically Qaraite.
@grn gal Your first claim is impossible. Anyone who is aware they are Jewish heard at some point of at least some of Judaism's various movements, like Reform and Conservative. To state otherwise is to lie.
They are not jews
@@ZviJ1 reform and conservative are not different sects of Judaism...
I am a karaite. We are much closer to the torah
Tell me more please
accept Christ then
@@crasnicul3371Christ is not in the Torah.
@@perryawe2121 Christ is prophesized literally hundreds of times in the Old Testament. also you should know that the Septuagint predates the Masoretic Text by 1000 years, thereby making it more authentic and accurate in Messianic prophecy.
Christ is King.
@@crasnicul3371 Hate to break it to you, but Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism... And if they don't believe in Jesus, then we all know the answer.
I attended a shabbat morning service of theirs in the rova yehudi in Yerushaliyim attika.As a sephardi now living in London,England.They were kind and friendly to me.
The second person answered immediately "I don't know", followed "I heard of it , but I don't know ". Amazing there are still people don't equal "heard of" to "know".
I think they mean knowing is having farmilarity with what they do. Hearing is simply having heard such a group exists.
Let God's word be true and every man a liar
God is man's greatest lie.
@@Byezbozhnik Perhaps. But still, Jews are hurting no one else in believing it. Some other religious groups on the other hand...
@@willsofer3679 so how u explain Israel?
Karaite Judaism is just a different sect of Judaism. With all the Rabbis adding to G-ds word and changing customs. They still fully prostrate and tske shoes off before entering the house of G-d yet those customs are frowned upon. Its the little things that when changed you lose the traditions of a religion as a whole.
Are you dense? Prostration is how Abraham prayed. Genesis 17 "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. 3 AND ABRAHAM FELL ON HIS FACE and God talked with him," It, not standing and making like a bobble head doll is THE TRADITION. [emphasis mine]
Those "customs" are what Abraham and Moses did when they prayed. Torah doesn't give us instructions on posture while praying. Actually, it does. God told Moses to remove his shoes because he was standing in a holy place.
@@Meira750
yea but the synagogue isn't as holy as were moses and abraham were (mountain Sinai and temple mountain) it's holy because we put holy things it it (original hand written Tanack) not because the place itself is holy.
and the funny moves (😅😂) are to the direction of Jerusalem, were we supposed to pry (written in the oral tora) the moves themselves doesn't have much meaning more than to get focused in the prayer to the best of my understanding, and that's also how the mother of prophet shmuel, hans, prayed when she asked God to have kids.
@@Meira750
let's say like that, if I could ever pray at temple mountain (buried under al ekza mosqe) I'll have to take down my shows probably, since no jew ever gonna pry there (it's under Palestinians authority and they don't allow us to pry, Jews that tried were stoned by arabs) its irrelevant now.
הודיה בר יוסף I’m impressed by your knowledge ☺️ and your face
I'm regular Jewish and I get annoyed with the Rabbinical establishment and excessive loyalty to one scholar. Perhaps we can learn something from the Karaites, Samaritians and Beta Israel.
Respected people of book (jews in this scenario),
Why is there more importance on Talmud, kabbalistic teachings rather than the Torah revealed on mount Sinai?
secondly, what's the location of Mount Sinai? with religious evidence?
lastly, is kabbalah influenced by the teachings and practices of the people of Babylon?
I like to study religions, and these are the questions I would like to get answered. Didn't get the chance to have a talk with Jewish classmates due to the severity of politics.
I regret bad comments that I had made before about Jews. Please accept my apology
Let me understand you better, so that I can judge if I should accept the apology.
What exactly did you blast in or about the Jews, and what in this clip caused you a change in mind?
It certainly makes more sense to follow the written word than the oral tradition which can change with the speaker's interpretation!
Quran 2:79
So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
@@HA-vy9ow Who wrote the Quran?
Do you really think that moses didnt instruct them how to actually do those thing?
Like sukkah?
Or butcher?
@@DeusHex There's an interesting passage in Leviticus that says "make the wave offering IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE WAY YOU HAVE LEARNED." I interpret this to mean that the PRIESTS were given separate instruction in some rituals but the People were to observe what was written only. Karaites interpret sukkah very differently. The instructions are much more general.
@@Meira750 karaites are weren't a thing up until the 7th century.
The Ethiopian Jews have similar traditions as the rabbinical jewdism, even tho they left hundreds of years before, and were isolated for 2000 years.
Their traditions resemble more of the rabbinic then kariate.
Karaite is a myth.
The bible wasn't edited and combined until very late, how the hell do you think they did the mitzhvas until then?
The bible is very limited in words and explanations, and even tells us about the elders and judges who should teach the people.
If you truly believe the torah, what's do hard to belive that they actually knew how to do those mitzhvas.
Like how do you know how to build a sukkah?
Or to butcher?
Or to purify?
Best one so far.
The elderly Karaite woman was so confident in her reply even though the numbers are small in her community.
Most Israeli's don't even like the Rabbis and so they haven't even drawn into this brainwashing that some Rabbinic Jews receive about Karaites. Aren't even here who they are as many Israelis' keep Jewish holidays but don't follow every Rabbinic rule anyway. As Karaites don't wear Tefilian at all since they don't feel it was meant literally and that is why God gave no instruction on them. It was the Rabbis that took it literally. And it is ironic that DNA evidence shows that Jews from Europe the Maternal DNA actually is very mixed and some is from Europe as Jews early in various exiles did end up marrying local woman and the kids was raised Jews and identified as a Jew. So they wouldn't be Jewish by their own definition but don't know that. But they use this rule against the other group of Jews sometimes which is disturbing as they themselves have the same problem.
To clarify about Europeans, that is the NOrthern and Eastern Europeans mostly. The Mediterranean Jews, Sephardic ones, specifically, went as whole communities after the Roman destruction and there were already established communities thruoughout the Med. Already in the days of Prophet Obadiah, he refers to "the Jews who are in Sepharad (Spain). The Northern communities did evolve from Sephardic men travelling there for commerce and establishing themselves for years. They would take local wives, many of whom did convert. The Ashkenazim reject the Khazar paradigm but I believe it with no onus attached. Torah provides for conversion. The Khazars converted enmasse but were driven from their lands by Islam to the South and East and Byzantines to the West. They fled North and West and assimilated into the early Ashkenazi communities they found there. There is no shame in this, nor should there be. I hate the bigotry against those whose ancesstors were converts. They are still accepted by Torah as Jews. The thinking has been tainted by the rabbinic difficulties imposed on proselytes and the utter nonsense of the Noachide movement.
@@Meira750 however there has been no evidence the khazars ever assimilated into ashkenazi jewish communities. the more plausible explanation, as is reported in contemporary sources is that they quickly converted to islam when their empire got assimilated into the ottoman one.
@@tzvi7989 There were many Sephardi communities in Byzantium at the time and that is where they went.
@@Meira750 yes and no
Most Israeli Jews have ambiguous feelings about the rabbis. I've heard and seen *lots* of secular Israelis that feel backed into a corner when some quasi-Qaraite Jew like me makes some of their statements, and will proceed to defend the controversial parts of Rabbinical Judaism like a wounded bear. In some of these cases the irony is hilarious, because the apologist explicitly admits they don't observe commandments and "don't care anyway".
He is wrong in 2:54 when he said that as long as the maternal line is unbroken, one is a Jew; that’s what the Torah teaches. That is 💯% incorrect, & a false tradition passed down in history through Rabbinic Judaism. I challenge anyone to show me that scripture. The Torah teaches that it is based upon the patrilleneal (father’s) side if you are a Jew.
Fascinating comment.
Go to Deuteronomy 7 and Ezra.
4:35 the one with the flag is such a chad lol
This is so interesting
The one guy said his knowledge is incomplete without the Talmud. He was talking about the shape or color of something. What if those things don't matter go God?
I agree, sorta. They matter but He gives us freedom in some things. Does he really care if I pick seeds out of a watermelon or spit them out after they're in my mouth? Talmud says spit on Shabbat because picking is forbidden work (!) I say good manners and not grossing others out is better halacha ( practice). I really don't think He cares.
Meira Avrahami
Quran 5:44
Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.
@@HA-vy9ow We are more similar than different.
@@HA-vy9ow We don't accept the theological view that we follow a corrupted written scripture, but the sentiment you're expressing is appreciated. Trust me, the Jewish people have no qualms about getting along with someone of a different religion. It was done for countless centuries, including with pagans. We just want the same consideration from others.
When you said, only Torah I was like NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, All the Tanakh, but not the oral torah, just the written... That's why they are called scripturalist. Nehemia Gordon is one of the most known
You're right and that's how Karaites interpret Torah. We look at the WHOLE TaNaKh
Nehemiah Gordon is one of the best known because he didn't keep his head down and just "blend" with Rabbinical Jews, like most of the rest of the Karaite community in Israel and the United States. He received permission to convert people to Karaite Judaism from the most organized authority amongst Karaites that he could find, but made the mistake (according to some) of publicizing it. Which led to the Karaite authorities feeling uncomfortable, and kind of punishing him for it, and then essentially stopping the practice. People can apparently still convert, though "not right now". They're no longer accepting converts for the time being. I'm honestly not sure what's happening in the Karaite world now, or with Gordon, since they basically told him to stop stop drawing attention to Karaites.
@@willsofer3679 It's true that the Karaite Jewish University, which launched in 2005, halted studies for conversion for ~2-3 years, to allow its Chancellor to immigrate to Israel and set himself up there. But in 2018 they resumed the courses and some of the alumni have since converted in a few ceremonies that take place about 1.5 years apart from one another.
Nehemia Gordon isn't truly a Qaraite and the most striking proof for it is his recorded statement (on his own channel on this site) at Speakers Corner in London -- I believe from 3 years ago -- "we pray 3 times a day". He uses the Rabbinical Torah portion + Heftarah cycle and celebrates Ḥanukah.
For almost 20 years now he's been a pop author, writing about Christian related topics; and for a very long time his life has been pivoting on professional and social contact with Christians and Messyantic "Jews" -- conduct that doesn't befit a Qaraite sage/leader.
Why do you think the Wikipedia entry about Gordon was deleted already years ago and any minor mention of him there as a Qaraite sage has been deleted as well?
@@willsofer3679 While a Scripturalist Jew no doubt, N. Gordon already proved himself long ago as a non-Qaraite: he claimed a few years ago at Speakers Corner in London and recorded it for his CZcams channel that Jews pray 3 times a day -- no actual Qaraite would make this statement -- and has always gone solely by the Rabbinical Haftarah cycle and weekly Torah Parasha cycle. On top of this, he reverted to celebrating Hanukah (though with a Scriptural character). So color me unimpressed with his "refusal to blend in with Rabbinical Jews".
To my knowledge, historically there's never been a "right now" conversion mode in Qaraite Judaism. NG's conversions were never officially recognized by the traditional Qaraite Community, whose heads eventually agreed to recognize the KJU in 2005 as the institution equipping potential converts with the requisite knowledge to attend Conversion Ceremonies to Qaraite Judaism. Conversions to Qaraism were resumed in 2007 and are performed about every 1.5 years.
In about 2013 N. Gordon went to live a year in China and cut himself off from the Qaraite Community and he pretty much has nothing to do with it anymore. During his stay in China he reinvented himself as a "non-denominational Qaraite", namely a Scripturalist. However, apparently he has been haunted by an identity crisis since his adolescence where he feels the need to continue identifying as a Qaraite, which he keeps misrepresenting himself to the present day.
Omg the subtitles are annoying, why is there 2 sets of subtitles overlapping. Please sort this out. I’m an Arab Muslim and want to learn more about the Israelis
Same here! (The subtitle part ...not the muslim part :)
The oldest synagogue in Israel is karaite and is in Jerusalem
The oldest surviving one, but yes.
Some people here confused between the Samaritans and the Karaites
I have a limited understanding of both but from I believe, Samaritans only follow the first five books while Karaites respect all of the written law but not oral tradition (Talmud).
@@CybermanKing And their Torah is a little different. The main difference is theological -- it contains references to Mt. Gerizim as the Chosen Place.
Their stupidity is legion. Confusing between the two populations is actually quite common among Israeli Jews and many times I feel tempted to write off all Israelis as ignorant nincompoops.
Someone named their child Yoshi
Yehoshua, my husband's name, is Joshua in English. As in Joshua Bin Nun, Moses' successor.
Is probably short for “Yoshiyahu”, aka Josiah
Why do some have the long curly strands of hair on side of head in front of ears ... I know it is about don't cut the hair on the corners of ones head ... my question is why no adults have hair longer than jaw line? Some of the kids, teens, young adults do, but I haven't seen someone over ~25 having that hair longer than the Jaw line, and if can't cut the hair there, how is that?
They curl it to appear shorter but they never cut it. It actually would be past the jaw line if uncurled. This is why it is curled.
One thing I learned from some follow up reading is that they believe it is a sin to count Jews. That explains why the Karaite family at the end won't say how many Karaites there are.
Even they do not know for sure. This is also why no Qaraite individual or organization knows for certain.
But when the entire continuum of observance for Jews who identify as Qaraites is taken into account, the best approximation so far has been 50,000 worldwide vs. 35,000-40,000 in Israel.
Thank you for that information. I also read that the Karaites in Eastern Europe identify differently than the ones elsewhere. I had never even heard of them before.
Orthodox Judaism also don't go in for head counting.
The eastern European folks got severed from Judaism and the Jewish people in the former half of the 20th century and believe they are some Turkic nation. In this sense they are divided into two camps, where one has moved closer back to actual Qaraite Judaism.
I'm amazed that the gentleman at 3:00 doesn't know that the written Torah doesn't specify matrilineal descent, nor does it specify wearing Tefillin, it specifies wearing the words as a sign on the hand and as frontlets between the eyes, all of which are open to interpretation and is far more nuanced than concerns over colour and shape as he puts it. By his stance then he probably would not acknowledge Karaites as Jews. despite the fact they try to follow the Torah literally. It is overwhelmingly common in Judaism to reject another's conversion or status if their version of Judaism differs in my personal experience which is a real shame as you can see at 11:45. Great videos.
You'll find that these are common misconceptions amongst Orthodox Jews of any stripe. "Modern Orthodox Jews" tend to be a bit better educated about these things though, admittedly. In fact, whenever I've mentioned Karaites to them, the majority know a fair bit about them, and surprisingly... accept them as Jews. I've talked to a Hasidic rabbi who said that they weren't halachically Jewish, but accepted them culturally and even ethnically as Jews - just not fit for marriage.
Most, however, would not accept them as Jews, based on trivialities differing from Talmudic practice, let alone their rejection of the Talmud as authoritative (oddly, most people I've talked to are sort of okay with this, but get hung up on the details). Thankfully, most of the Jewish world would likely accept them as Jews, if they knew who they even were.
ikr?!
@@willsofer3679 i guess in 2000 years somethings just never change do they
Actually the Torah instructs "according to thy father's house" during the commandments for the sharing of the land of Israel. An Israelite is the descendant of Yaacov (Yisrael). A Jew might not necessarily be a descendant of Yaacov much less Yehudah but one who practices Judaism. Anyways I agree more with the Karaites and their approach to Torah observance. Torah is patrilineal not matrilineal.
@@obumambrose6022 Even the majority of Samaritans are not descendants of Ya`aqov Avinu -- just those of haplogroup J1. And the biggest surprise: their priests are of a native Egyptian lineage (E-M78)!
With this being stated, a Jew is basically someone who belongs to the Jewish *people,* either by dint of being born Jewish or proper conversion, who may practice Judaism.
I don't know if you're Jewish yourself, yet if a gentile begins one day practicing Judaism, it doesn't render them Jewish -- they need to undergo a process of naturalization into the Jewish people a.k.a. conversion to become a Jew. We already have to put up with a phenomenon where fake Jews like Felipe Gutierrez a.k.a. Peleh b. Avraham, who masquerades as a Qaraite teacher and rabbi, never converted to Judaism, but a slew of gentiles try to run interference for him as if he's Jewish... and we don't even know if he actually practices any form of Judaism in his personal life, or not.
If only Jews are given souls what do the rest of us have?
That's Talmud, not Torah
According to Chabad Lubavitch, a sect of Hasidim, Jews have an extra "divine" soul. Hence, Jewish souls are different but we all have one. That said, this is mainly a Chabad thing and NOT a general Jewish belief. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanya#Structure
2:03 - He is confusing them with the Samaritan Israelis (Shamurim), who also only believe in Pentateuch (Chemesh)
As long as I know karaites do not put on tefilim between their eyes and nose, they just don t put them on.
Your right. This is a typical Rabbinic idiocy that has survived over a thousand years.
That guy was talking about Samarirans lmao he couldn’t just admit that he was ignorant on the subject smh
I like all the people who said i don’t know
The religious guy in the video who said it doesn't understand what he's talking about
Only the oral Torah explains what Tefillin looks like
@@zacharypeavy7801
me too
There are over 40,000 Karaites in Israel. Most are from Egyptian Karaite families. Amazing how ignorant Jews are about them altogether.
They're irrelevant to Judaism, that's why no one knows about them.
@@morehn you're irrelevant to Judaism and in fact Israel itself was founded by secular Jews not religious ones.
@@adamk5890 Israel was founded by God who said He gave it to the Jews. Secular Jews created a government system. Big whoop.
@@morehn You call other people crazy?? Israel wouldn't exist today without the actions of people who didn't worship Rabbis.
@@adamk5890 God has more than one way of making things happen, believe it or not
Karaites believe that the TaNaKh supports patrilineal descent.
Should act on it then, by integrating the ~500k "hasrei dat" it would immediately become a major Jewish movement.
I think it's so interesting that many people defaulted to tefillin as the example. The Torah doesn't command the wearing of tefillin. You can see just how integral the oral law is to people when they defend the oral law with a commandment that only exists in the oral law.
Absolutely fascinating comments by the average person on the street. You get such a broad spectrum from the Haredi to the secular. It does seem like most Israelis are open minded and accepting of everyone who wants to live peacefully in Israel. I love these videos because I get to practice my Hebrew listening skills, which I don't get to use much in the US. Always entertaining videos Corey.
There are a lot of opportunities to learn both Israeli and Biblical Hebrew in the United States, actually. If you want, I can likely direct you to a few programs in your area. And for the record, doesn't matter whether you're Jew or Gentile in any of the programs. They just wanna teach the language.
Where in the Torah is the maternal line unbroken? As far as I know, the line comes from the father.
I have learned that a lot of Jews do not know Torah. They know more of the Talmud than actual Torah. Rabbis have been critical of this also.
@@michaelcoates2584
sadly
@@michaelcoates2584 They dont
You're correct. Patrilineal descent is emphasized in the Torah to recognize Israelites, and matrilineal descent is only mentioned in regards to the Samaritans after the exile in the Tanakh. Beyond that, it's not mentioned at all. A lot of Orthodox Jews seem to confuse what's found in the written Torah with what's exclusively in the Talmud.
And (as a personal nitpick) many also don't tend to know (based on my experience) what's in most of the Ketuvim, or the rest of the Tanakh for that matter, beyond a few select passages. Good luck getting most to have any sort of educated conversation about Qohelet (Ecclesiastes), or even something like the Song of Deborah.
(And similarly, I'm disheartened by how many know the Talmud, but not the rest of the Mishnah, Tosetfa, Merkavim, or other early writings).
I don't understand how this is, with as much as they're constantly studying. I'm guessing they're almost exclusively reading commentaries, and expositions on Jewish law, rather than their own actual sacred scriptures. And so they tend to only know what those particular rabbis focus on.
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@@willsofer3679 Its because they cant understand the Tanakh. Only the Samaritans and the Karaites do, their wise men have been cut off.
I want to be a Karaite Jew.
"How would you even know how Tfilin are shaped"
Well, taken from the "only Torah" perspective, the counter argument could be "does the Tfilin even need to have a specific shape?". You would need to go to other sources than the Torah to say yes to that question.
This is an interesting subject. As they've found archaeological examples of tefillin from the Second Temple period, which Orthodox Jews cite as justification for their practice. One problem, that they never mention: they're oval shaped, not square, and look completely different.
@@willsofer3679 I was once embroiled in an argument with an Ortho Jew, who wrote in the course of it, among other things, the BS that those Tefillin were the exact shape as the ones of present times. Thais is how little respect they have for the intelligence of their non-Rabbinical interlocutors.
Great Video, just 2 comments. Contrary to the orthodox dude in 4:00, Karaites don't put tefillin between their eyes. In fact they don't put tefillin on at all! Karaites don't interpret Exodus 13:9 literally which is what Orthodox do. Orthodox Jews had the myth of Karaites wearing tefillin between the eyes for 100s of years and it just shows how little the Jewish world tried to understand the world around them. The wonderful Karaite woman was also incorrect about orthodox "renewing" their religion in every generation. Orthodox believe for the most part that Jewish law was standardized with Babylon Talmud. Orthodox would not go against traditional understanding of things but exceptions do happen throughout history. She would be correct about Masorti and Reformers though.
This was the best one yet ! Karaite jews are more to the original Hebrews before the Babylonian captivity which is where the oral law was in majority written. The Kabbalah and and Talmud were written in Babylonia with pagan culture added blasphemous to the Torah if you study them both.
Neither were written that early. The earliest surviving text of the tradition of Kabbalah was written in the third century of the common era (the "Sefer Yetzirah" I believe, a text resembling theurgy in Neoplatonism). That's a couple hundred years later. The earliest fragments of the Mishnah discernable by textual scholars were written around the same time. Most of our evidence of it comes from the sixth and seventh centuries. The Talmud was starting to be codified around this time, and finished by the 9th century or so. That's several almost a millennia later. Much later than you're talking about, in either case.
no they are not they not even Jews they are kazarians
nope kabbalah (technically the Zohar) was actually written in spain by a sephardi spanish rabbi
also if you look at genesis and exodus you'll see that pagan culture influenced the writings in those books from a scholarly level. the only difference is that genesis 1 is just a de-mythologised version of proto-indo european mythology that spread to the middle-east via the sumerians and babylonians (the enuma elish) genesis 2 was inspired by ancient egyptian mythology as well but also once again the de-mythologised version
lol, you are so idiotic. this is such a lie @@messianic_scam
they believe in the whole Tanakh
The Ultra Orthodox, Chasidim, together with the other branches, should not only accept the Karaite Jews, but also praise them!
Karites believe in the tenach not just the first books. They don't believe in the oral tradition.
That makes sense to me. The oral tradition is a joke. We see how dubious the oral tradition of Islam is, clearly the Jewish oral tradition is not to be believed either.
Karites believe in only something that is written, not something that was supposedly passed on thousands of years.
Go play Chinese whispers and see if you still believe.
“A jew is someone born to a Jewish mother”
This I hear just as often as: “according to the Torah, a convert is a Jew in ever way”.
Forgive my ignorance, but that is some serious contradiction right there. I have watched your videos on this and most people seem awfully conflicted about this issue, depends largely on the context of the discussion, it seems.
When you convert, you dont just accept G-d and the prophets like you would in i.e. Islam. The conversion process can take up to 7 years, and you become Jewish not only religously, but mainly culturally. Its like if youd wanted to become, idk, german, youd have to assimilite, learn the culture, the customs etc etc.
I'm still learning about all this too, but I am understanding those two statements as generalizations regarding two different paradigms for what it means to be "Jewish." One is ethnic and the other is religious (of course there's overlap and nuance, but those are two distinctions). When they say, "if you're mother was Jewish, then you're Jewish," that's being a Jew in an ethnic sense. And when they say, "A convert is a Jew is every way," that's being Jewish in a religious sense. Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm seeking to understand the Jewish people better.
@@mwhite9298 A Jew that used to be a non-Jew is Jewish in both the religious aspects and the national/peoplehood aspects. This is what's meant in that statement. Nobody has to like it though.
We today realize the Importance of mitochondrial DNA. It can be traced to as far as you wish. This does not mean that by impregnation the father does not contribut. He does on the Y chromosome. Mummies in egypt are listed now according to modern genetics. Remember moses and all that followed him to this day. Although some russians honor ezra and not moses. One day we will know.
@@mwhite9298 Biology shmiology. If you identify as a Jew, and respect or follow Jewish ethics, you're Jewish. Never mind if only your father's Jewish or just one grandparent. Sure, the ultra - orthodox prefer that your mom was Jewish, but why worry?
Sartre wrote a book called : La Question Juive or The antisemite & the Jew - in which he claims that Jewishness is a creation of antisemites. In short, believe what you want, do what you want (in moderation), live and let live, and enjoy life. Le'kHaïïm!
How does he the man at 3:08 of this video think that it is the maternal line that determines a Jewish persons ancestry?
Look at what Torah says here about PATERNAL?
Numbers chapter 36
5 So Moses gave the Israelites this command from the Lord: “The claim of the men of the tribe of Joseph is legitimate. 6 This is what the Lord commands concerning the daughters of Zelophehad: Let them marry anyone they like, as long as it is within their own ancestral tribe. 7 None of the territorial land may pass from tribe to tribe, for all the land given to each tribe must remain within the tribe to which it was first allotted. 8 The daughters throughout the tribes of Israel who are in line to inherit property must marry within their tribe, so that all the Israelites will keep their ancestral property. 9 No grant of land may pass from one tribe to another; each tribe of Israel must keep its allotted portion of land.”
10 The daughters of Zelophehad did as the Lord commanded Moses. 11 Mahlah, Tirzah, Hoglah, Milcah, and Noah all married cousins on their father’s side.
Yes. The Tanakh repeatedly reinforces patrilineal descent as the standard of whether one is an Israelite. Even rabbis acknowledge this is what's written, but claim that matrilineal descent was the true standard, passed down. Many secular scholars believe that the idea of matrilineal descent came with the encounter of the post-exilic Jews with the people (later) called Samaritans, in the century or so after they returned. And that it remained a current (and at least somewhat popular) idea until codified in the Talmud centuries later.
Is the pronunciation of? I thought it’s karaim in Hebrew.
There’s probably people that don’t even follow the Torah being asked if someone that follows the Torah, but rejects Rabbinical tradition is a Jew. If Karaite aren’t Jews, then what about reform, conservative, or reconstructionist Jews? I don’t reject the oral tradition, but there are aspects of Karaite that I find really fascinating.
Why the maternal line? Messiah is through the father.
Jungle Jargon In general, the human Y chromosome is extremely gene poor. Example: an adult male may never pass on his Y chromosome if he only has female offspring. Thus, although a male may have a well adapted Y chromosome free of excessive mutation, it may never make it in to the next gene pool.
X chromosome represents about 800 protein-coding genes compared to the Y chromosome containing about 70 genes, out of 20,000-25,000 total genes in the human genome. In other words Y gene is 'weak'. Hence the maternal side (X) has a leading role in determining inheritance patterns. Read more here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_chromosome#Inheritance_pattern
We know this scientifically, something passing distinctly beneath our Jews from Israelis.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence
I imagine the pragmatic reason was that in the days before DNA testing, it was not in general possible to prove who the father of a child was, but the mother was always known.
@@FatiFleur-jn7ky Only if the child is male. Then both paternal and maternal X chromosome genes can be expressed.
@@FatiFleur-jn7ky yeah but this wasn't known in the 1st century CE when the rules changed
Karaites are patrilineal so it's through the father, not the mother.
SepherStar but we only marry other karaite so we r Jewish. Its only now we marry other sects because of lack of us in the world.
This is not always true Elinor. Besides, at least some Qaraite Sages have held that one's Jewishness runs through both the patrilineal and matrilineal lines.
@@Queenjewell Wrong. In Israel there are 2 moshavim that I know of where the population is half Karaite and half Sephardic, mostly thru intermarriage. But the Sephardi member has to observe Karaite rules. The children are still considered Jewish patrilinially.
@@Meira750 It is indeed patrilineal descent that they follow, but ZviJ1 is correct, to some extent: they still generally regard someone of a mixed marriage with a non-Jewish father as essentially Jewish, so long as they're raised Jewish. It's actually not a huge deal to Karaites now, or historically. But the caveat is that they must be raised Jewish, circumcised, and given a Hebrew name, along with all the rest.
It's worth noting that according to geneticists, Karaites have VERY Jewish lines of matrilineal descent as well. True, they didn't record it or pay attention to it. But there was very little intermarriage. Their ancestry is essentially the same as that of Rabbinical Jews. The handful of times that other genetic lineages were introduced, it mostly seems to have been male, likely though converts before the late Middle Ages, when they eventually stopped the practice of conversion. Thus, patrilineal. Obviously, as converts, they're still considered Jews and Israelites by the Karaites.
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Matrilineal descent is not clear from the Bible. Modern day Karaites actually follow patrilinial descent.
“This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” Heb 10:16
And that is exactly how we know that we are no under the new covenant yet because we still have preachers, rabbis, mowrehs, etc teaching everyone about YHWH. Under the. new covenant, there won't be a need for them because everyone will know HIM.
@@michaelcoates2584sounds like you are not part of the new covenant. His new covenant isn't with everyone, it's just with the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Shalom.
@@tombutler7296 Shalom Achi! Jeremiah 31: 31-34 describes what the new covenant will be.
@@michaelcoates2584 I think you actually mean 31:31 - 37. Here it is in its entirety. And just to be clear this is the same New Testament Yeshua taught and that Karaite Jews practice to this day.
They do not accept the teachings of other people they listen to the Torah that is written upon their heart and check it against the Tanakh that was copied by the scribes. When they find a significant difference between the Torah copied by the scribes they go to look in the prophets to see where the scribes have changed the Torah.
Just as the covenant with Abraham was not with everyone in the world. And the covenant God made with Moshe was not with everyone in the world. The new covenant is not with everyone in the world, it is just with God's people, the lost sheep of the house of Israel. You don't need to look past verse 31:31 to see that!
“Behold, the days come,” says Yahweh,
“that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel,
and with the house of Judah:
not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
which covenant of mine they broke,
although I was a husband to them,” says Yahweh.
“But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,”
says Yahweh:
“I will put my law in their inward parts,
and I will write it in their heart.
I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
They will no longer each teach his neighbor,
and every man teach his brother, saying, ‘Know Yahweh;’
for they will all know me,
from their least to their greatest,” says Yahweh:
“for I will forgive their iniquity,
and I will remember their sin no more.”
Yahweh, who gives the sun for a light by day,
and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night,
who stirs up the sea, so that its waves roar;
Yahweh of Armies is his name, says:
“If these ordinances depart from before me,” says Yahweh,
“then the offspring of Israel also will cease from being a nation before me forever.”
Yahweh says: “If heaven above can be measured,
and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel for all that they have done,” says Yahweh.
Shalom
@@tombutler7296 As long as we're clear that Karaites and "Messianic Jews" aren't practicing the same thing, generally. Yes, they're both scripturalists, and have similar interpretations of passages. But the similarity pretty much ends there. They are an ancient Jewish tradition. Messianic Judaism is an evangelical Christian movement started in the 1970s.
06:28 that sounds like a hebrew tongue twister
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I have always found Karaite's fascinating. I've two books on them 'An Introduction to Karaite Judaism' by the Al-Qirqisani Centre and 'Karaite Anthology' by Leon Nemoy. I would have converted but my girlfriend is not interested. They were the first Jews I found when exploring the subject. As far as I'm aware they frown upon intermarriage from my research but follow Patrelinical descent. So I'm not sure if conversion of just myself would be allowed.
No, it would not be allowed. You would still be expected to marry a Jewish woman who would keep the traditions. We are Shabbat observant, our Kashrut is more strict in some ways and family purity in mandated because it is in Torah, quite specifically in fact.
You can not becomw a jew but you can keep the Tawaraha.
Persuade her..
If your father is Jewish, the Karaites will accept you as Jewish. You wouldn't need conversion but you might need to learn. Yes, intermarriage is frowned upon unless the non-Karaite is willing to obey the halacha.
You would be able to convert, and then be recognized as a Jew.
The dude in the thumbnail looks like Post Malone
Karaite Jews are Jews based on the patrilineal line. They follow the Torah but no Mishna....they also don't celebrate Chanukah because it's not mentioned in the Torah. They pray prostrating.
That was how Jews originally prayed.
Here's what happened:
God gave Moses the Ten Commandments and Jews the Torah.
Then a bunch of snot nosed rabbis made commentaries.
I'll go with the word of Yahweh.
Actually, notwithstanding the pervasive error (which was acknowledged even by the scholar who had conceived this reconstruction of the holy name in the 19th century), 'Yahweh' has been credibly ruled out as Elohim's name.
Well one of the commandments is to "safeguard" the Shabbat in ways "...concerning all that I have told you", but it doesn't really tell you the laws of Shabbat. There's an occasional reference here or there and in the later books you see explicit reference to the rules, but there's no straight forward dictum. Oral instruction helps reveal the written text as well. It's like a reference book, it only really makes sense if you have a context given outside of the text itself.
The "oral" law actually obfuscates the actual Torah's intention, thereby removing Jews further from the Text's intent. But there is a much better way -- that aligns with the Text's meaning and relies on all 3 sections of the Miqra -- that the slavish adherents and worshipers of the rabbis (as demigods) will not consider.
Concerning that which is forbidden on the Shabbath, the Torah delineates certain activities that are forbidden to be undertaken on the Shabbath. A thorough reading of the Miqra will reveal to us some of these activities, these are:
1) Cooking and preparing food (Ex. 16:23)
2) Collecting objects outside and going outside to undertake everyday
tasks. (Ex. 16:25-30 and Num. 15:32-36)
3) Leaving the domain (Ex. 16:29)
4) The Shabbath has to be kept even if the task underhand is a task
dedicated to YHWH (Ex. 31:12-17)
5) Ploughing and Harvesting (Ex. 34:21)
6) The verse that mentions "Ploughing and Harvesting" (Ex. 34:21) also has the sense that even if a great personal or financial loss will come about from keeping the Shabbath, the Shabbath has to be kept no matter how imperative a thing may seem to be.
7) Burning a fire (Ex. 35:3) -- even the renowned translator of the Torah, Prof. Everett Fox, who is a Rabbinic Jew, agrees with the classical Qaraite interpretation that even a pre-lit fire from before Shabbat's start is forbidden.
8) Carrying heavy objects in a public domain, carrying heavy objects from a private domain into a public domain (even if not to the market) (Num 4:3 and Jer. 17:21-27)
9) Going anywhere related to profit or work (e.g. walking to work before the end of the Shabbath in order to be there when the Shabbath ends) (Isa. 58:13-14)
10) Discussing financial, business, or work-related matters, and making weekday plans (Isa. 58:13-1)
11) Buying and Selling (Amos 8:5 and Neh. 10:32)
12) Treading wine presses (Neh. 13:15)
13) Storing grain (Neh. 13:15)
14) Loading and unloading produce and burdens (Neh. 13:15)
15) Bringing produce to the market (Neh. 13:15-22)
Apart from the above list of activities, the Torah also commands that we may not perform any sort of melakha on the Shabbath, "you shall not do any melakha" (Ex. 20:10). The Torah uses the word melakha without distinction, therefore all forms of melakha are forbidden on the Shabbath.
But what exactly is melakha? When our ancestors stood at Mt. Sinai the definition and meaning of the word melakha would not have perplexed them, since for them Biblical Hebrew was a living language. However, the Hebrew language ceased to be spoken as the daily language of the Children of Yisrael sometime during the long centuries of the Galuth [Exile, Diaspora]. Nevertheless, we too can understand the meaning of the word melakha by using the exegetical device of Peshat (plain meaning) by which we can draw on the context of the word as found in various passages throughout the Miqra.
In order for us to arrive at a greater understanding as to the meaning of the word melakha it is vital that we thoroughly search the Miqra whilst making a list consisting of where in the Miqra the word melakha appears and the context in which it is written. Such a list will inevitably be an indispensable tool in helping us to determine the true meaning of the word melakha. Once such a list has been drawn up we can then analyze the various passages in which the word melakha is found, placing it within its context, thus enabling us to establish its correct etymological usage. The word melakha appears 167 times in the Miqra, consequently providing us with plenty of scope to determine its correct etymological usage.
Once we have patiently studied the relevant passages we will come to the conclusion from the evidence provided that the word melakha has the connotation of workmanship, occupation (see Jonah 1:8 & 1 Chron. 9:33), business activities, and constructive or creative work as in:
a.. God in creation (Gen. 2:2-3)
b.. Travelling (Gen. 33:14)
c.. Business of steward and household servant (Gen. 39:11)
d.. Cooking and preparing food (Ex. 12:16)
e.. Making designs; metal work including precious metals; cutting stones including cutting, polishing and setting gem stones; and carving wood (Ex. 31:4-5, 35:31-32; 1 Chron. 29:5)
f.. The work of a jeweller (Ex. 31:4-5; Ezek. 28:13)
g.. Carpentry (Ex. 31:5; 2 Kings 22:5-6; 2 Chron. 24:12-13)
h.. Making the Mishkan [Tabernacle] and its furniture (Ex. 35:21, 36:8, 39:43)
i.. Embroidery, weaving and working with cloth (Ex. 35:35; Lev. 11:32)
j.. Engraving (Ex. 35:35; 1 Chron. 29:5)
k.. Erecting an enclosure or fence (Ex. 40:33)
l.. Leather-work (Lev. 11:32, 13:48)
m.. Carrying burdens and labouring (Num. 4:3; Neh. 4:5,11)
n.. Building (2 Kings 12:12; Neh. 4:5; 2 Chron. 16:5)
o.. Masonry work (2 Kings 12:12)
p.. Work of a potter (Jer. 18:3; 1 Chron. 4:23)
q.. Preparing for and going on an offensive military campaign (Jer. 50:25)
r.. Public business and community matters (Ez. 10:13)
s.. Work of seamen (Psalm 107:23)
t.. Political activity, the work of a civil servant and the affairs of state
in general (Est. 3:9, 9:31; Dan. 8:27; 1 Chron. 4:23, 29:6)
u.. Work in the field, agricultural work (1 Chron. 4:23, 27:26)
v.. To hew stone or wood (1 Chron. 22:15)
w.. The functions of court officials and Judges (1 Chron. 26:29)
Consequently, on the Shabbath it is strictly forbidden to carry out any of the above activities. As pointed out above, the Torah stresses "any melakha" (Ex. 20:10) consequently all forms of melakha, and not just certain forms, cannot be performed on the Shabbath. In addition the phrase "any melakha" is not synonymous to "your melakha", as some would believe, in other words one is strictly forbidden to perform melakha on the Shabbath, whether it is one's profession or not.
There is no shortage of relatively honest Orthodox rabbis who have come close to conceding that even the Mishna's text was not given on Mt. Sinai but constitutes the records of Rabbinic discussions from the few centuries that preceded putting them on paper; they do this by arguing that just a very small part of it was.
ZviJ1 Bless you
I am of Karaite descent ! We do exist lol, my grandparents come from Karaite community in Jerusalem. They now live in Mexico but though the community is small we are still Jews. Though we do things differently haha !
مَثَلُ الَّذِينَ حُمِّلُوا التَّوْرَاةَ ثُمَّ لَمْ يَحْمِلُوهَا كَمَثَلِ الْحِمَارِ يَحْمِلُ أَسْفَارًا ۚ
دينك المزيف مسروق من التوراه واليهود
@@messianic_scam And your fake religion was stolen from Zoroastrianism.
The Torah is the word of G-d, and the Talmud is written from the Rabbis. Who are you going to believe?
3:00 No. The Torah does not teach this Talmudic doctrine. The Torah is based on patrilineal. Not matrilineal.
Teach me more
@@user-bn9ko2xe5i Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph (Ephraim & Manasseh), Benjamin, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, and Asher. Numbers 1:18, Ezra 2:59, Nehemiah 7:61, Esther 6:13 & 9:27.
What is clear is the Talmud is not Torah, it may make commentary on it to some degree. First off there is a segment that was stated that its a maternal line, then why have Abraham, Isacc, Jacob father Israel and the 12 tribes or brothers! That is a Paternal line! It's clear Talmud teaches another unwritten law like the Mormons wrote their book. It is VERY clear that its a Paternal line. NOT MATERNAL
Karate Jews, Karaoke Jews .... what next?!
the guy is talking about teflin while some is helping a guy put them on. Fascinating.
buy and large most jews seem to regard a person a good person if they follow the Noah rules. This attitude makes most of them pretty much of the live and let live variety.
Well...those are the observant Orthodox Jews, which are a minority worldwide. They claim the Noahide Laws are based on the Torah, but when you examine this claim against the actual Pentateuch it turns out to be almost completely a crock of crap.
+ZviJ1 True enough,
If you want me to water it all down; Judaism is all about being a kind and charitable person and God doesn't give what you believe or how you practice any faith. He is WAY above that crap. A rabbi told me that once upon a time. PS Why do you think Israel is always the first country on the ground when there is a natural disaster. It is part of being Jewish, to help others. Of course the Jews haters and Israel deniers still spit on us for our efforts but, whatever.
He's also wrong about Karaites and tefillin. Our men do not put them on.
Kariates don't do teflin they don't take that verse literal, but figuratively.
8:00 Came off as a bit of a prick there, Corey.
More than 80% of jewish Egyptians are karaite, many synagogues at Cairo belong to them, later they moved to Haifa, France and California.
Yeah, it's not the case anymore. If I remember correctly, you can now count the number of Karaite Jews in some places in Egypt on your hands. Almost all of them have left, and the government has even sold some of their synagogues and cemeteries for development.
shit i never knew jews did karate
Too many influences seeped into the Babylonian Talmud, filled with mysticism, while they were captive and after in Babylon.
Like what?
A H There are literally many scattered throughout that book. How do you think the Kabbala came about...It’s full of Hellenic, Persian, Babylonian influences.
daatemet.org.il/en/essays/magic-in-the-talmud/
@@HA-vy9ow there's no real connection that can be found.
Its only theories
@@DeusHex More solid evidenve that denial is not a river in Egypt.
@@ZviJ1 where is your proof?
Love Kararites
Im Jewish on my fathers side most people treat me like im fully Jewish... I do embrace my heritage from all sides i wear my late fathers star of David Necklace out of heritage & memory im agnostic..
I think there is some things we could learn from them. They are Jews 100%.