Chris Harris on... Gordon Murray T.50 vs Aston Martin Valkyrie | Top Gear
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- Despite the different design philosophies behind the two cars, the Gordon Murray T.50 and the Aston Martin Valkyrie are always going to draw comparisons. Both house Cosworth V12s behind their driver cell. Both will cost well into the millions of pounds. And both are... well, really rather special. So here's Chris Harris talking Top Gear Magazine's Jack Rix through his opinions on both machines.
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Well, it's perhaps not the most important decision that's being made this week, but nonetheless - which would you have?
Both
Definitely the T.50. Just out of sheer curiosity and for probably one of the last, if not the last, manual v12.
Probably a Bugatti Bolide
T50
Chris called it when he said both. Anyone who's willing to drop a couple of million on a hypercar definitely has enough to buy both. There won't be many of the customers of these who are scraping together the money and can only afford one of them.
Mr Harris is so much more engaging when not having to act the fool with his celebrity co-presenters
I’ve never come across such a smug, pugnacious, bumptious, puffed up lounge lizard as Chris Harris. “Well it’s just another F1 Gordon, you did this in 1993”!?!? What a bunch of hot bubbling horse manure!! “The great F1 designers don’t always carry over their purity of thinking/execution into their road cars” - Wow what genius Harris - ever heard of Homologation???? “I suspect their road cars are not as good as their racing cars” - that’s because one is a ROAD CAR, and the other is a RACING CAR Einstein! “Electric cars don’t operate on an emotional level AT ALL” - yet there’s thousands of vids of people getting plenty emotional in Tesla’s ‘Ludicrous Mode’ and in Rimacs! “Electric cars are not for the track, they are just for sprinting away at the lights in front of people”, meanwhile around the world electrics are smashing many track records. ; Please Jack Rix, instead of happily masturbating Chris Harris’ ego, have some balls and call him out on his self ingratiating BS
@@VonKickass Chris Harris is provocative and definitely has some controversial statements, but didn’t he just argued for exactly these points in the vid? Phrase on Gordon’s car was obviously exaggerated and I thought the same when I saw the cat for the first time. He said acceleration is the strong suit of the electric car. And some companies archived to build very good roadcars respectively and racing cars as well. I think you are not very critical to yourself here. And of course not everybody has to agree with Chris Harris and neither is he the personification of truth when car matters are concerned
Totally agree - I find current TG to be unwatchable, but this sort of convo, or Chris on his own is usually great viewing.
@@VonKickass I thought he explained his EV points quite well. Yes, the acceleration makes you laugh, but could you ever fall in love with a Tesla like one might with a v6 Alfa? Or even a Volvo T5? Unequivocally no, in my books. Ev’s will get lighter and better on track (feel, fun etc - not just pace) but they’ll never have the noise, vibrations and smells. The pedal feel, gearstick and handbrake. The knobs and buttons, the roll- down windows or the little metal thing we attached to key rings once upon a time.
Were you the 599 driver by any chance?
I concur, the very reason i don't watch TG anymore is the the two fucking "Celebs" harking on they know anything about cars. It's dire, drivel spewing verbal shite. Just give Chris his own show, bring back Tiff, VHB and the queen of the Nurdburgring and it'll be a great show once more.
Imagine being out in your 599 and spotting Chris Harris, only to be called out by him on the BBC Top Gear CZcams channel.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOO
May as well just drive that 599 into a wall at this point...
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Hahaha, feel that burn!! 🔥🔥😂😂😂
@Konzy you can find a 599 for like 65k, drive it for a while and sell it for the same. At this point they only cost fuel and tires. Same for r8 and small lambos.
As a gazilionaire, this is good consumer advice.
Indeed
Keep your pants on mate, feet on the ground please.
@Shaw Farrow aren't they both english cars? Aston Martin and McLaren are both from the UK no?
consume: eat, gorge upon, over eat, buy, depreciate, bloat, be sick
You buy both and the AMG one!
Chris Harris sums it up perfectly at the end. People want insane V12 sports cars with MANUAL transmissions
Naturaly Aspirated, remember Pagani Hyuara has turbos.
Only a small percentage of people fit that catagory plus these cars are multimillion dollars and limited production
@@grievuspwn4g3 I'm sure people who buy these cars don't get in accidents much. They barely drive these cars at all
Neojhun Hyuara isn't manual tho Zonda still is
@@BIGWEBB88 zonda older car. If i got a regular performance car yes manual is great. But if i got an ultra performance car i would want a duel clutch. Fast shifts and two hands on the wheel always
God I love Chris Harris. If you love cars - I mean, really, really, really love cars - I’m not aware of another person who just “gets it” like Chris. Kudos.
I actively seek his outlook... one of the very few REAL saints /scholars /priests of the motoring religion, left in the world...
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T50 all the way...
The joyride/the thrill/the analog feel > Pure speed.
same, Valkyrie is amazing but its too track extreme in my opinion, similarly to Senna. T50 all the way.
I also think it looks better
Basically what a Mazda Miata/MX-5 is, imo.
@@budokpantai Abarth 124 > Miata
@@budokpantai Agreed, MX-5 is the entry lvl of drivers car, A110 after that, and T.50 after that xD
T.50 seems like an ultimate car. Valkyrie doesn't even seem like a car. It's just out of this world. And that's very, very exciting about it
haaha ultimnate car with power of modern SUV
@@moriart13 because every car with more power is just unusable on road
@Valkyrie 007 918, P1 are 2013 cars while t50 is a 2021 with ridiculous 660 hp nd stick and slightly better HP per ton. IT Supposed to be as good as Jesko with more than 1:1 power to weight
@Valkyrie 007 it's about T50 not Valkyrie. How do you sell 3.5m stick shift 660hp car in 2021? Jesko absolut has 2.5 times more power, more tech and it's way better looking, vehicle.
T50 will be smacked by supercars like SF90 in both drag due to having more beef and gazzilion times better tech, and track due to all driving assists
@@moriart13 i think you might be missing the point though. yeah the SF 90 and Valkyrie will be faster on track, but Gordan has pretty much made it clear he's hanging his hat on usability and drivability. when i hear them describing how small it is, it really sounds like Gordon Murray went out to make the ultimate mini cooper. it's only in the same discussion with the Valkyrie because they're contemporaries and the designers are both F1 legends. i truly think these cars will be used in completely different ways.
Becoming a big fan of these thought piece like videos from Chris - it's fantastic to hear him speak openly about some of the more philosophical quandaries affecting every level of motoring. More of this please Top Gear. As an OG Top Gear fan, Chris Harris is the best hiring they made for the new show, man is a thinking man's petrolhead, without the bombast. Love it!
If you haven’t seen it check out his joe rogan podcast from years ago. A good 2 hours of the same stuff
@@chadmanskids5458 he needs to go back on!
@@Sambnt Indeed he does! He's been like a drug for me ever since I found him while watching /DRIVE videos years ago. He's not only beautifully articulate but also strikes a nice balance between a critic and a dreamer :)
I’ve never come across such a smug, pugnacious, bumptious, puffed up lounge lizard as Chris Harris. “Well it’s just another F1 Gordon, you did this in 1993”!?!? What a bunch of hot bubbling horse manure!! “The great F1 designers don’t always carry over their purity of thinking/execution into their road cars” - Wow what genius Harris - ever heard of Homologation???? “I suspect their road cars are not as good as their racing cars” - that’s because one is a ROAD CAR, and the other is a RACING CAR Einstein! “Electric cars don’t operate on an emotional level AT ALL” - yet there’s thousands of vids of people getting plenty emotional in Tesla’s ‘Ludicrous Mode’ and in Rimacs! “Electric cars are not for the track, they are just for sprinting away at the lights in front of people”, meanwhile around the world electrics are smashing many track records. ; Please Jack Rix, instead of happily masturbating Chris Harris’ ego, have some balls and call him out on his self ingratiating BS
@@chadmanskids5458 Ah I had no idea he was on Rogan's podcast. Wonder if it'll still be on youtube as it's an older episode. Thanks!
“They don’t operate on an emotional level...at all”.
I love the way Chris puts the electric stuff in its box!
I agree lack of engine sound is an emotional damper but I think there's ways to enhance the whines of the electric motor to compensate, also think that apart from sound electric cars offer far superior throttle and motor response. Handling is also on a different level. Weight is somewhat of an issue but I doubt it is in these carbon hypercars with relatively small batteries.
@@randomytname8005 No electric motor whine is ever going to sound "good". You'll never hear an electric car zipping through a forest from miles away, with crackling gear changes and popping exhaust, etc. Outside of poor range/awful charging options...electric cars are entirely competent. But competency has nothing to do with an emotional driving experience. In fact the quirky, spastic, interesting cars are the most memorable ones. I can guarantee you that a proper driver zipping around in a base line Miata (with its lack of grip/power) is having more fun than the super technically proficient electric car...which is why electric cars don't register with a lot of people.
@@randomytname8005 thats not going to work. Think of it like this. I had an RC car as a kid as everyone else, a Tamiya one, modded, and even tho it was just as fast as a gasoline one i could afford, it wasn't as exciting. Electric cars are more like devices, than really 'machines' and far from 'masterpieces of engineering'. Thats what makes them less appealing from a drivers view. People denying that have no sense for engineering. The engine and exhaust noise is incredibly important for the experience, and electric motors will never sound appealing. Their advantages make them ideal daily drivers, however, they will never move the soul and make your hair stand up like a proper ICE.
@@randomytname8005 lol electric motors will never sound good, no true engineering behind it anyway. Hence why they want to compensate that with ridicolous hp numbers, and thats already getting old. Now we will have lots of 2000hp hypercars, they all sound the same, they all have the same character, and they all drive similar. Yawn.
@@origaminefretami3480 well said. People are just getting excited because electric is a 'novelty' and they jump on the hype train. In a few years, cars will only be autonomous anyway, so screw electric cars and keep buying them fun little gas guzzlers.
Harris' comments are on point once again. Hope to see more of these sit down chats with Chris Harris in the future.
I’ve never come across such a smug, pugnacious, bumptious, puffed up lounge lizard as Chris Harris. “Well it’s just another F1 Gordon, you did this in 1993”!?!? What a bunch of hot bubbling horse manure!! “The great F1 designers don’t always carry over their purity of thinking/execution into their road cars” - Wow what genius Harris - ever heard of Homologation???? “I suspect their road cars are not as good as their racing cars” - that’s because one is a ROAD CAR, and the other is a RACING CAR Einstein! “Electric cars don’t operate on an emotional level AT ALL” - yet there’s thousands of vids of people getting plenty emotional in Tesla’s ‘Ludicrous Mode’ and in Rimacs! “Electric cars are not for the track, they are just for sprinting away at the lights in front of people”, meanwhile around the world electrics are smashing many track records. ; Please Jack Rix, instead of happily masturbating Chris Harris’ ego, have some balls and call him out on his self ingratiating BS
@@VonKickass who hurt you
@@VonKickass - You give us a bad name. Go have another brannas & coke, and then go kick your dog. Might help
@@VonKickass “I suspect their road cars are not as good as their racing cars” - that’s because one is a ROAD CAR, and the other is a RACING CAR Einstein!“ - I'm interested to know what your definition of a good car is.
@@VonKickass he didn’t criticise Gordon for making another F1, he said that’s been a common criticism and repeated it. Get your ears checked, and maybe see a therapist
If Chris Harris was discussing potatoes - I'd still tune in. What a chap.
What a chip
@@junior5146 chip in deed
@@junior5146 that is tremendous
I’ve never come across such a smug, pugnacious, bumptious, puffed up lounge lizard as Chris Harris. “Well it’s just another F1 Gordon, you did this in 1993”!?!? What a bunch of hot bubbling horse manure!! “The great F1 designers don’t always carry over their purity of thinking/execution into their road cars” - Wow what genius Harris - ever heard of Homologation???? “I suspect their road cars are not as good as their racing cars” - that’s because one is a ROAD CAR, and the other is a RACING CAR Einstein! “Electric cars don’t operate on an emotional level AT ALL” - yet there’s thousands of vids of people getting plenty emotional in Tesla’s ‘Ludicrous Mode’ and in Rimacs! “Electric cars are not for the track, they are just for sprinting way at the lights in front of people”, meanwhile around the world electrics are smashing many track records. ; Please Jack Rix, instead of happily masturbating Chris Harris’ ego, have some balls and call him out on his self ingratiating BS
Wrongful mate
The T.50 is not just a good car that can go very fast, it’s a work of art.
Yea. An artists depiction of a frog car.
@@samuelharris2473 What's a frog car? I'm not really following.
I find nearly all the current hypercars to be technically incredible but to also have no real beauty. I find the T33 to an especially good looking car... the T50 is even a tad too modern for me... and I'm not super keen on the fan but its still better looking than most supercars cars brought out in the last decade.
I suspect you probably weren't around or old enough to develop a taste for 70's, 80's 90's style cars and so you perhaps aren't able to see this as us older ones do.
Nothing wrong with that, its perfectly understandable and one of the reasons why tastes can vary... but am I correct in thinking it might be a generation thing?
What age category do you fall in to and what would you consider to be a great looking car?
It's quite ugly but probably is more fun to drive than any other car right now
The T50 will be superior. Yes, the Valkyrie will probably be much faster. But the T50 is built 100% for driver enjoyment and the driving experience. Like Chris said, GMA couldn’t give a rats ass how fast it goes round the Nurburgring. Yes, other cars are probably faster, which one would you enjoy more 🤷🏼♂️
Yeah in 20 years my bet is on the T50 to the the classic and worth the most for collectors
The T.50 is the ultimate driving machine, while the Valkyrie is the ultimate speed machine.
They are from two different categories, and therefore not fair to compare them directly.
So what is AMG ONE And Bugatti Bolide?
@Amarjit Singh No!
Agree T.50 is like CGT, Zonda S, Ferrari F50.
Just turned to eleven!
@Amarjit Singh You lose context! 😃
@Amarjit Singh it's the bugatti wanker again 😮
Chris's opinion is so important to the car community. I especially like that he often presents both sides of an argument and then states where he lands.
So good to hear someone talking some sense among all the sensationalist automotive youtubers
I’ve never come across such a smug, pugnacious, bumptious, puffed up lounge lizard as Chris Harris. “Well it’s just another F1 Gordon, you did this in 1993”!?!? What a bunch of hot bubbling horse manure!! “The great F1 designers don’t always carry over their purity of thinking/execution into their road cars” - Wow what genius Harris - ever heard of Homologation???? “I suspect their road cars are not as good as their racing cars” - that’s because one is a ROAD CAR, and the other is a RACING CAR Einstein! “Electric cars don’t operate on an emotional level AT ALL” - yet there’s thousands of vids of people getting plenty emotional in Tesla’s ‘Ludicrous Mode’ and in Rimacs! “Electric cars are not for the track, they are just for sprinting away at the lights in front of people”, meanwhile around the world electrics are smashing many track records. ; Please Jack Rix, instead of happily masturbating Chris Harris’ ego, have some balls and call him out on his self ingratiating BS
@@VonKickass Harris has forgotten more about cars than you or I will ever know. He has a point about the Murray. It doesn't really say anything the F1 didn't before, it's just perfecting the formula. Not all F1-inspired road cars have worked well. Look at the Caparo T1. The hot mid-engined Ferraris have a reputation for being spiteful little bastards. It takes a lot to make something as performance focused as the Valkyrie and retain some semblance of usability for mere mortals. Will it turn out to be a nice thing to drive, with the ride and handling of a Lotus, or will it just be too hard and too angry and too compromised to use on a bumpy, hilly track like the Nürburgring (let alone public roads)?
Love Chris. He saved TG IMHO.
Jack's a good lad too.
I’ve never come across such a smug, pugnacious, bumptious, puffed up lounge lizard as Chris Harris. “Well it’s just another F1 Gordon, you did this in 1993”!?!? What a bunch of hot bubbling horse manure!! “The great F1 designers don’t always carry over their purity of thinking/execution into their road cars” - Wow what genius Harris - ever heard of Homologation???? “I suspect their road cars are not as good as their racing cars” - that’s because one is a ROAD CAR, and the other is a RACING CAR Einstein! “Electric cars don’t operate on an emotional level AT ALL” - yet there’s thousands of vids of people getting plenty emotional in Tesla’s ‘Ludicrous Mode’ and in Rimacs! “Electric cars are not for the track, they are just for sprinting way at the lights in front of people”, meanwhile around the world electrics are smashing many track records. ; Please Jack Rix, instead of happily masturbating Chris Harris’ ego, have some balls and call him out on his self ingratiating BS
@@VonKickass Dave mate you're boring
@@VonKickass lol people getting emotional in Teslas....yeah, they laugh because its funny, its something new, thats it. FYI Chris Harris owns a Model 3 as well. People tend to talk all kinds of good shit about Teslas, because 'future' and stuff and people try to get used to this.
Watch the review of the reporter driving a Huracan performante and he had tears in his eyes from the driving experience with that V10 Orchestra behind him. Thats emotion. If you stand at a Formula 1 Racetrack and hear the engines warming up and you get goosebumps, thats emotion from engineering, the atmosphere only ICE can produce.
Lol Teslas 🤣
@@VonKickass I agree, a pompous arrogant arse
Chris Harris is like the guy at the party that's done too much coke and can't stop talking about himself or disagreeing with everyone else. his black cat is blacker than everyone elses. he's that guy
I am absolutely loving these videos. Love Chris’s no nonsense straight to the point real world honest answers and statements
I’ve never come across such a smug, pugnacious, bumptious, puffed up lounge lizard as Chris Harris. “Well it’s just another F1 Gordon, you did this in 1993”!?!? What a bunch of hot bubbling horse manure!! “The great F1 designers don’t always carry over their purity of thinking/execution into their road cars” - Wow what genius Harris - ever heard of Homologation???? “I suspect their road cars are not as good as their racing cars” - that’s because one is a ROAD CAR, and the other is a RACING CAR Einstein! “Electric cars don’t operate on an emotional level AT ALL” - yet there’s thousands of vids of people getting plenty emotional in Tesla’s ‘Ludicrous Mode’ and in Rimacs! “Electric cars are not for the track, they are just for sprinting away at the lights in front of people”, meanwhile around the world electrics are smashing many track records. ; Please Jack Rix, instead of happily masturbating Chris Harris’ ego, have some balls and call him out on his self ingratiating BS
@@VonKickass you're copying this reply on every comment I see. Stfu
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Chris is so right with these hypercars, yes they are amazing with their performance but what are you going to do with it. 500 km/h? Fantastic, where am I going to do this on a public road without killing myself & god knows who else? Absolutely pointless. Give me an Alfaholic or a Singer Porsche any day. Or maybe a T.50... hehe
Yes... or a 1960's Ferrari with a Colombo V12 and an open gate manual. They're a bargain compared to any modern hypercar.
That's why I would always prefer something like a Lexus RC-F, BMW M4 or M2, or Ford Mustang 350
High performance sports these days are getting better at being too much whilst remaining some what usable. There was a time where they were still too much but also virtually unusable too.
Really no one needs high performance sportscars. A small sportscar is just better really, practically and driver engagementwise but people want excess. If not, a lot of things just wouldn't work.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks it's not a matter of needing, it's a matter of wanting if you're a car enthusiast. Especially if you're a talented driver. As far as where to drive them.......Autobahn at certain times, Texas or Nevada highways(especially for rallies), horsepower tracks like Road America, Watkins Glenn, Road Atlanta, VIR, COTA, Miller in Utah.
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T.50
Everyday.
Forever.
Murray makes real cars.
The T.50 is even more of a GT than the McLaren F1.
Murray designs good cars as tools to be issued everyday
T50 is the true successor to the F1
The T50 is a pure drivers car. It’s sole purpose is driver experience. He doesn’t care for speed or status or lap times. That’s why the T50 is better than the Valkyrie
Gordon Murray est le plus extraordinaire créateur de voitures de sport de son époque 👍🧐... ses voitures sont d'une beauté Intemporelles 😑🌚🏁...
I am an Alfa 4C owner...so for me the T.50 is an obvious choice if I could afford one.
I am a jealous non-Alfa 4C owner, and I would also take the T.50.
Not only is Chris a handy driver, he’s a damn good journalist. I love how he describes the cars he drives.
He's always been known for his journalism before Top Gear. It's a shame we can't enjoy more of this but instead watch him shouting inside a car going down a runway back and forth Top Gear style.
We must protect him at all costs
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Why dont we just have these 2 on Top Gear the TV show i think it would be much better
I think you right. That would be a good show. Even Harris on his own would be better.
zap brannigan Harris ranting unprompted doesn't work nearly as well as Jack acting as a moderator
I’ve never come across such a smug, pugnacious, bumptious, puffed up lounge lizard as Chris Harris. “Well it’s just another F1 Gordon, you did this in 1993”!?!? What a bunch of hot bubbling horse manure!! “The great F1 designers don’t always carry over their purity of thinking/execution into their road cars” - Wow what genius Harris - ever heard of Homologation???? “I suspect their road cars are not as good as their racing cars” - that’s because one is a ROAD CAR, and the other is a RACING CAR Einstein! “Electric cars don’t operate on an emotional level AT ALL” - yet there’s thousands of vids of people getting plenty emotional in Tesla’s ‘Ludicrous Mode’ and in Rimacs! “Electric cars are not for the track, they are just for sprinting way at the lights in front of people”, meanwhile around the world electrics are smashing many track records. ; Please Jack Rix, instead of happily masturbating Chris Harris’ ego, have some balls and call him out on his self ingratiating BS
@@VonKickass you okay honey? x
Hey guys I was at my local toyota dealer and he didn't have either in stock, any chance you could tell me which is better so I can go place a deposit? Lots of love
Rather try Suzuki. They probably have the T.50 lite in stock
@@IrminZ I hear that if you've bought 15 Suzuki's in the past, you can get on the list for the T.50 racecar.
@Kevin Sandu I think you could get a Toyota gr super sport from the dealer. Its Toyota's road legal hypercar
Jesko?
Try amazon..
What will happen is what Christian Koenigsegg stated few years ago, super cars will follow the same trend of luxury watches.... Sure, a digital Casio will keep better time, simpler to work on and will have more features than a Rolex, but for some people, they want something mechanical, emotional, complex in a way you know it was done out of passion for inner workings and mechanical engineering. Same for these hypercars, and although the trend already started few years ago with the million dollars cars that are limited to 120 units or whatever, the T.50 will start a definitely split in the market, with the more common cars going to electric (the Casios), and the bespoke super/hypercars continuing with gas engines, and maybe going back to older, proven tech (the Rolexes, Omegas, TAG's).
The only question i have is... we saw lately once super exclusive brands like Lamborghini, Ferrari, Aston, Bentley, and to some degree of exclusiveness, Porsche, going more and more for sales numbers and creating products that appeal more the mass market.... And by doing so, will those brands want to continue that path and turn to full electric in order to sell more and more? Or will they take a step back, assume that chasing higher and higher numbers is just pointless and go back to their origins and strive for a more emotional and engaging driving? Or will themselves split into two, and just have both, and dilute their market and heritage identity?
You forgot that, at least in Europe and California, ICE will be dead by law.
@@gustavoflorio5383 Maybe, but as Chris mentioned, Porsche and other companies are investing as well on synthetic fuels.... And you have too keep in mind, even though EU is very restrictive, they won't cut cash cows in a will like that, there are still lobbies around such brands... Low volume manufacturers have other rules applied to them, and if the fuel they will use is carbon neutral, or as close as it can be (ethanol, for example), then the law will be changed in favor for them. I mean, you already have certain exemptions with classic cars, (taxes, insurance, etc) because everybody knows they aren't just driven as everyday car, like a Golf for example. So, the environmental impact, if we are talking about CO2, is easily displaced. Same applies to current supercars, even though most of them are now more "daily" driven friendly.
Like with everything, it's not just black or white, there will always be a gray area.
@@gustavoflorio5383 Just to add, i was talking about European Union.... About California, i have no idea. I know they can be even more restrictive than us in Europe, but other than that, no clue whatsoever.
@@hf7188 once those laws became current, in how many years until the gasoline price will go unpractical. ICE cars won't be like horses because horses eat grass and what you'll put on those cars once the gas stations goes out of business? Once the petroleum plants realise that is no more economy viable to distill gasoline?
Yeah, third world countries will still have gasoline but... just don't buy it from Brazil 'cause ours is at least 10% water.
I'm not telling anyone that I'm right, or that I like EVs (I HATE performance EV cars) but I have those questions in my mind.
@@gustavoflorio5383 It'll be carbon neutral GTL fuel made from nuclear/renewable energy, CO2 and H2O. It will not need refining as it will be made to the required chain lengths. Get the cost of it down enough and it will allow for "CO2 free" motoring using the existing infrastructure and vehicles. Also not sourced from the middle east, so they can be left to their own devices...
Imagine a top gear special with just jack and Chris on a road trip to the Nurburgring ring in the t50 and Valkyrie. As in a 1 hour film along side the magazine article. That would be amazing
This needs to happen
Said it before and I’ll say again, can’t wait for Harris review on the T50
2:18 and that is why we love this flower-shirt-wearing race car engineer called Gordon Murray
This is the video i was waiting for, just so much passion in the way Chris Harris talks and explains the good and bad without bias. Jack's always just excited about every car. which is good as well. haha
Chris Harris single handily carrying Top Gear.
I’ve never come across such a smug, pugnacious, bumptious, puffed up lounge lizard as Chris Harris. “Well it’s just another F1 Gordon, you did this in 1993”!?!? What a bunch of hot bubbling horse manure!! “The great F1 designers don’t always carry over their purity of thinking/execution into their road cars” - Wow what genius Harris - ever heard of Homologation???? “I suspect their road cars are not as good as their racing cars” - that’s because one is a ROAD CAR, and the other is a RACING CAR Einstein! “Electric cars don’t operate on an emotional level AT ALL” - yet there’s thousands of vids of people getting plenty emotional in Tesla’s ‘Ludicrous Mode’ and in Rimacs! “Electric cars are not for the track, they are just for sprinting away at the lights in front of people”, meanwhile around the world electrics are smashing many track records. ; Please Jack Rix, instead of happily masturbating Chris Harris’ ego, have some balls and call him out on his self ingratiating BS
@@VonKickass What, you've never looked in the mirror?
Chris Harris is brilliantly miserable about these cars 😂
Got an M4 and a E30... Love driving the E30 more
Totally understandable.
Here's another "test of time" thing - original NSX vs F355. The value of one of these is going up... 😁
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Cracking video guys... really do enjoy the content on these Top Gear You Tube vids... so good 👌
Can just listen to this guy talk about cars non-stop for days! :)
Every Mechanical Engineer in the world: "Dad, I want to be like Gordon Murray someday"
If the internal combustion engine is on its way out (and it is) it’s going out at a nuclear bomb blast level....The sound...the sound of those naturally aspirated V12’s, V10’s, & V8’s oh man are they going to be missed
Has Chris Harris EVER said anything of no interest?.... I think not .. the best, genuine car talking man on the planet .. full stop
Why have 1 Mclaren F1 when you can have 10? The Valkyrie is the lust and the T.50 is the desire
I KNEW he was going to say 918 Spyder. 7 years later that car still amazes me and still blows most other hypercars into the weed.
I was a huge fan until I saw one being driven after a carerra GT and it killed any enthusiasm I had for it. It was damn near silent, and this is on a track. The GT however sounded insane.
@@TC-lk2ev I sort of agree, the 918 doesn't sound as exciting as the Carrera GT but out of the holy trinity, or in fact all of the upper echelon of hypercars from 2010 onwards, the 918 is the one that I admire the most and even more so after 7 years.
@@longtailgt Fair enough, it's super badass. I still havent seen a P1 in the wild and I've only see a LaFerrari in a shop, but they're all awesome in different ways.
The T.50 will actually be usable as a GT, will very likely have ride quality similar to the Alpine A110S (although I have to wonder if the the induction noise is going to be headache-inducing). It and the Valkyrie may both have swan-song V12's and be exactly contemporaneous but they have almost nothing else in common.
And again an excellent chat with these guys. I love these kind of video's. I will say it again; please make them the permanent presenters of Top Gear TV. Absolutely brilliant!
I’ve never come across such a smug, pugnacious, bumptious, puffed up lounge lizard as Chris Harris. “Well it’s just another F1 Gordon, you did this in 1993”!?!? What a bunch of hot bubbling horse manure!! “The great F1 designers don’t always carry over their purity of thinking/execution into their road cars” - Wow what genius Harris - ever heard of Homologation???? “I suspect their road cars are not as good as their racing cars” - that’s because one is a ROAD CAR, and the other is a RACING CAR Einstein! “Electric cars don’t operate on an emotional level AT ALL” - yet there’s thousands of vids of people getting plenty emotional in Tesla’s ‘Ludicrous Mode’ and in Rimacs! “Electric cars are not for the track, they are just for sprinting away at the lights in front of people”, meanwhile around the world electrics are smashing many track records. ; Please Jack Rix, instead of happily masturbating Chris Harris’ ego, have some balls and call him out on his self ingratiating BS
Chris gets it, motoring isn't about your 1/4 mile time, it's about having a machine that you connect with. Some of the slowest cars I've owned have given me the best experiences.
Why this is still called Top Gear.....should be called Chris Harris
I’ve never come across such a smug, pugnacious, bumptious, puffed up lounge lizard as Chris Harris. “Well it’s just another F1 Gordon, you did this in 1993”!?!? What a bunch of hot bubbling horse manure!! “The great F1 designers don’t always carry over their purity of thinking/execution into their road cars” - Wow what genius Harris - ever heard of Homologation???? “I suspect their road cars are not as good as their racing cars” - that’s because one is a ROAD CAR, and the other is a RACING CAR Einstein! “Electric cars don’t operate on an emotional level AT ALL” - yet there’s thousands of vids of people getting plenty emotional in Tesla’s ‘Ludicrous Mode’ and in Rimacs! “Electric cars are not for the track, they are just for sprinting away at the lights in front of people”, meanwhile around the world electrics are smashing many track records. ; Please Jack Rix, instead of happily masturbating Chris Harris’ ego, have some balls and call him out on his self ingratiating BS
@@VonKickass Name one single track record that an electric car has "smashed". That's right, you can't, because there's no such example, even electric cars with twice the power can't match ICE cars on track. Chris is 100% right. If you think a grandma screaming in a Tesla while doing a launch is a sign of how exciting a car is, then you're utterly clueless about cars and can't even remotely grasp the concept of what makes a great car.
T50 is experience car and people afford it will appreciate it. It's not like their other budget friendly options that manual with v12 - Zonda, LP640, 550, Diablo just to name a few. They won't be the same as the T50 but you get that experience for a lot less.
The looks of the valkyrie are unmatched.
We are reaching stupid levels of performance.
I've recently experienced a Porsche 992 Carrera S flatout in a mountain road, and it was plenty fast.
It covers ground quicker than a C7 Z06 that was my previous benchmark.
In no real circumstance, the Z06 is faster than the 992. It just isn't, despite having 200hp more.
While all these new Hypercars are extremely impressive machines, they are more of status totems than drivers cars...
Wonder when it all started going too far.
Probably with the Bugatti Veyron and the Koenigsegg CCX.
Veyron might be a good contender. CCX is still a car that is more about a raw experience than outright numbers imo.
I think the real source of the issue might be that more "normal" cars started to define themselves purely by numbers and therefore left the competition chase them
So it might be the R35 and the 12C, and to some extent the Tesla Model S, that have caused the escalation of the stupid race for laptimes and 0-60 times
No. First was F40. No one driving in real life. So another question? What is maximum car you can drive everyday like driving car and not store in garage? I think it GT2RS. I see many videos in youtube when people drive that. Maybe GT3RS would fit more. Other car that costs more are just harage cars or as you said totems.
@@PS91195 *EDIT: You are right! The R35, 12c, and Teslas fueled this trend to make numbers the most important factor in usable cars.
The Hypercars or whatever anyone wants to call them are more of a showcase of what can be done from an engineering standpoint.
That hasn´t always been the case, the F40, arguably the first Hypercar... Was the ultimate driving machine for a long time.
I was about to say that progress isn´t always for the better BUT...
I´ve just realized that we have a Cayman GT4 or a Ferrari 458 that offer as great of a drive, if not better than the F40 and they don´t cost millions! LOL
@@mjwrapscustoms9359 It's actually interesting to think about what makes a hypercar. I've never thought of them as engineering showcase when that is likely exactly what they are - great point!
PS: This must be the first time anyone has ever agreed with someone else on YT :D
The T.50 is 1000 pounds lighter than the Porsche you drove. With more power and a way more responsive engine. Just the feel of the car will be out of this world
Can't afford an F1, but very much looking forward to the new Nissan Z which will have a manual transmission like all Z's in the past.
I love Chris Harris attitude towards modern cars. Especially since he races and knows a great performance car. (:
I’ve never come across such a smug, pugnacious, bumptious, puffed up lounge lizard as Chris Harris. “Well it’s just another F1 Gordon, you did this in 1993”!?!? What a bunch of hot bubbling horse manure!! “The great F1 designers don’t always carry over their purity of thinking/execution into their road cars” - Wow what genius Harris - ever heard of Homologation???? “I suspect their road cars are not as good as their racing cars” - that’s because one is a ROAD CAR, and the other is a RACING CAR Einstein! “Electric cars don’t operate on an emotional level AT ALL” - yet there’s thousands of vids of people getting plenty emotional in Tesla’s ‘Ludicrous Mode’ and in Rimacs! “Electric cars are not for the track, they are just for sprinting way at the lights in front of people”, meanwhile around the world electrics are smashing many track records. ; Please Jack Rix, instead of happily masturbating Chris Harris’ ego, have some balls and call him out on his self ingratiating BS
@@VonKickass I like what you are saying and see your points as well. Thank you for stating them. (:
@@VonKickass Electric cars don't operate on an emotional level at all, thats a fact. I wanted to like the Model 3 i drove, but electric is not exciting and engaging enough
GMA all the way, no turbos, ridiculously clever aero tech, practical and a three seater with storage.
Good stuff. Touched on a lot of points car geeks probably wanted to know. Keep it up! 👍
Well I think that I will go with Chris's first answer and buy both sod it, its only money.
They’ve been talking for almost a decade about how the internal combustion engine HyperCar is going away. “Will this be the last one?” (Remember Clarkson’s film on the Aston Martin)
I think they’re here to stay. Supply follows demand, and the rich will always pay for these status symbols.
How many new V12 GT cars with manual gearbox have been released since the v12 vantage?
Yes and no, imo. ICE sports cars will go the way of the horse. No longer used for transportation but a recreational asset and status symbol.
But that isn't what people mean regarding the bad situation. It's is the fact that affordable sportcars and "average" supercars are going extinct. The fact that in as little as 15 years, here inCalifornia, we will be relegated to using EVs only. And that for my midllife crisis I will not be able to buy a brand new $30-50k, manual, ICE engineoad car. WTF (I am being serious but adding a little humor doesn't hurt).
Yes Jeremy Clarkson said that about the Bugatti Veyron. He said something like there will be nothing like it again.
Normally aspirated sports cars/hypercars are already going away......look at Ferrari. It's all been going toward smaller turbo/hybrid engines the last 5 years. How many normally aspirated hypercars you see now? I see the two he's talking about here and they may well be the last ones. Doesn't matter where the demand is, it's a climate/resource issue.
The T.50 is an engineering marvel, but above all, is an ode to the driver. There's a 40 some minute video on here from near end of its prototyping days and Gordon himself talks about his decisions and why they were made for the car. It all boils down to driver experience. I believe at some point someone in the press asked him the stop speed and he responded "I don't care." All these expensive as hell cars want to sell track times and I think us regular jackoffs aren't impressed by it, but the T.50 strikes at the core of any car lover with millions of dollars or not. To me it's the ultimate example of the last 20 some years of advancement since the F1 and I don't care about benchmarks on paper.
Great discussion with decent and honest opinions, more please
Throw the AMG One in the ring as well. I'd still take the Valkyrie over both.
THE AMOUNT OF RESPECT JACK GIVES CHRIS THOUGH...
I’ve never come across such a smug, pugnacious, bumptious, puffed up lounge lizard as Chris Harris. “Well it’s just another F1 Gordon, you did this in 1993”!?!? What a bunch of hot bubbling horse manure!! “The great F1 designers don’t always carry over their purity of thinking/execution into their road cars” - Wow what genius Harris - ever heard of Homologation???? “I suspect their road cars are not as good as their racing cars” - that’s because one is a ROAD CAR, and the other is a RACING CAR Einstein! “Electric cars don’t operate on an emotional level AT ALL” - yet there’s thousands of vids of people getting plenty emotional in Tesla’s ‘Ludicrous Mode’ and in Rimacs! “Electric cars are not for the track, they are just for sprinting away at the lights in front of people”, meanwhile around the world electrics are smashing many track records. ; Please Jack Rix, instead of happily masturbating Chris Harris’ ego, have some balls and call him out on his self ingratiating BS
Really big fan of anything Chris Harris, lots more Harris content please :)
Cosworth is definitely killing it with both of the Murray T50 and Aston Valkyrie
Anything manual should be celebrated
great , i have manual golf 1.9 tdi
Better than if it was an auto LOL
The T50 XP2 in black makes that panel look on the side disappear. Looks mega!
I bet the T50 driving experience will be sublime and you won’t need to ask an owner, “well, what do you do with it”? Because the obvious answer will be “You drive it, everywhere and anywhere you like. Take it on holiday, take it to the track, get groceries in it.” The Valkyrie is more like a pure track days car and art piece.
I would love to have both however I would own the the Gordon Murray T.50 knowing it will accelerate in appreciation faster than it goes 0-60.
Porsche synthetic fuel development.... epic news!!! 🙌🏁
Koenigsegg with flex fuel is laughing loudly right now.
@@srinitaaigaura ha! Koenigsegg hasn't developed any synthetic fuel. Their cars have flex fuel sensors to detect when their cars is running on high octane fuels or on E85, and then ECU controls the engine accordingly. E85 isn't exclusive to Koenigsegg. Having a car which runs on petrol and E85 is different than developing synthetic fuels.
Porsches synthetic fuel is made out or recycled co2, not only that, it will be cheaper than normal fuel by 2022 and is being backed by toyota, Aston martin, bmw, mazda, and so many more in the future.
Very much enjoying these videos
What i want is to see Harris taking Gordon Murrays Retropower built Mk1 Escort and Mk1 Cortina around the Top Gear track!!!
I’d want the T50. I can’t imagine any car ever, apart from maybe an F40 due to the turbo boost and lack of weight combined with ‘80’s engineering, being as much fun to drive on a mountain road.
Or McLaren F1 of course haha
Chris Harris is an adult amongst children
Not only the 918 but also the Carrera GT. It's was such a underrated car, and now it's prob. the best sounding Porsche ever with that v10! Porsche is just such classics.
A 12000 rpm screaming v12 Motor ,a manual gearbox , and all in a 980kg body with luggage space , central driving position,3 seats, and in all likelihood handles like a go cart....son of F1 please.
T50 great to own. Valkyrie great to borrow.
I suspect that the Valkyrie will blow minds around the track, but I suspect the T50 is going to be the most "enjoyable", because it's a road car first and foremost, because it's manual and fully N/A, but it will be interesting to see including what they think of the AMG too. From a personal perspective, I think the one that if I was in the market would "excite" me more, is the GM T50.
On the AMG One the eletric powertrain interference is so great (at least half of the power and basically all the torque and at all wheels) that I suspect that the experience will be more detachable than the SF90's.
Chris Harris. You are the man!!! I agree with you on all points. You are the true “car guy”. You need to be on more car shows.
Revisited: T50 for the road, T50s for the Nurburgring :)
I’ve said for years and years that hydrogen is the way forward, not electric. In the long term electric vehicles will be far more harming for the environment than the current and ‘traditional’ powered cars etc. The recycling costs of batteries (for one) is unbelievable, and the harm that is done to the environment just to mine the items needed is also extraordinary. Trillions of pounds, dollars or whatever will have been wasted on a huge white elephant. Hydrogen all the way for me.
Love hearing Chris's opinions on cars as he's a proper driver. Much love mate, you make top gear worth watching, you should do an episode training Freddie and Paddy how to really drive. It would be fun to watch and might stop them crashing all the time lol.
I’ve never come across such a smug, pugnacious, bumptious, puffed up lounge lizard as Chris Harris. “Well it’s just another F1 Gordon, you did this in 1993”!?!? What a bunch of hot bubbling horse manure!! “The great F1 designers don’t always carry over their purity of thinking/execution into their road cars” - Wow what genius Harris - ever heard of Homologation???? “I suspect their road cars are not as good as their racing cars” - that’s because one is a ROAD CAR, and the other is a RACING CAR Einstein! “Electric cars don’t operate on an emotional level AT ALL” - yet there’s thousands of vids of people getting plenty emotional in Tesla’s ‘Ludicrous Mode’ and in Rimacs! “Electric cars are not for the track, they are just for sprinting way at the lights in front of people”, meanwhile around the world electrics are smashing many track records. ; Please Jack Rix, instead of happily masturbating Chris Harris’ ego, have some balls and call him out on his self ingratiating BS
@@VonKickass wow 👏 you're a real prick. And electric cars don't give the same feel noise or theatre its just a fact. They may go fast and dance and flap there doors but they don't give the fizz or make the hairs on your arm stand on end or send shivers down your spine.
@@VonKickass lol i had a ride in a Tesla, and its just funny how quick it takes off. Thats not the emotion like a petrol car produces. Chris used to daily a model 3 just for your information, he knows what he is talking about. And fact is, electric cars leave you cold. With 200hp, with 500, or with 2000. All the same, just some faster than others.
It’s T.50 for me, cause it’s all about the driver and his daily drive - comfort
Great new magazine Jack. All the best
T.50 all day, every day
it's the last pure driver's car
I want to hear their review on the Bugatti Bolide.
Brilliant analysis guys!👍👍👌👌
Please, please, more of these two.
Chris talking has to keep being a thing in this channel even after COVID.
Chris is as his best talking about cars
How fast you can go? Apparently 331 mph according to Top Gear.
7:07 onwards, spot on.
And this is why I have ordered Gordon Murrey’s GMA T 50 photo and put it on my phone background.
On a lower level its the same reason Honda S2000 are holding there value. People want drivers cars with epic engines and manual boxes. 👍
The S2000 is the sportscar in true form, it will never have a dated driving experience.
@@aaa84gt well, thats what legendary cars are made of. Light, good looking, high rev N/A engine, manual. Like the E30 M3, S2000, NSX.
the s 2000 was long on my wishlist, but not really light.
two of the best car volgger/journous. Great chat.
They'll always be a place for ICE cars like the'll always be a place for steam engines.
Exactly. Electric cars are just devices
@@wolfgangbarrio5043 All vehicles are just device. One day electric cars will have a group of enthusiast using them when we use something new.
@@kentonian won't happen. We only have a coupe of years before only using fully autonomous vehicles anyway.
@@kentonian electric cars will never be an enthusiasts choice lol.
@@hasangenc2922 That's what they all said when automobiles started replacing horses.
Awesome video
What do you think about the digital mirrors?
Sure the T50 is cheap relative to the F1, but they're making so few that I suspect that it's destined to just sit in a collection not being driven.
They are all sold and will quickly disappear as being the last great N/A V12 engine and car.
How many times have we heard “this is probably the end point of the combustion engine” journalist have been quoting this for over 10myears now!!
Leftists try everything to end the ICE age.
Chris Harris is just the best car journalist there is... period.
Thanks top gear, great video
Bruh
The valkyrie is faster than an lmp2 car, the valhalla is supposed to go against the t.50
I saw a taycan on the road black on black . What a presence it has very impressive car .
Great discussion
The Evija is technically not that heavy for an electric car, but that's because it has so few batteries. The car couldn't do 2 racing laps around the Nurburgring. At best it'll be good for a hill climb, but lap records? What's the point of track driving if you can only do about 15 minutes of it, and even that you'll need to lift and coast to save batteries. You also need to leave juice for getting home as well. What that car is good for, is drag racing. Yeah I know, a Lotus as a drag monster. I know I would actually have more fun in a Lotus Exige rowing my own gears through the canyon roads at a tiny fraction of the price.
The T50 blows everything else out of the water.
Wait till the first drive.
@Valkyrie 007 No but it will do 0-100mph in 7.5 seconds.
It's a whole different level of engineering.
@Valkyrie 007 Yes but the T50 is a road car. The Valkyrie is pretty much just made for the track. The T50 might be able to hit 230-250mph as the F1 could do 215mph or somewhere around that.
The T50 is more usable and will be very quick.
0-60 in 3.5 seconds or faster.
@Valkyrie 007 Sure but it's not only about speed.
The T50 has luggage space.
Would be better if the gear stick was on the left though.
@Valkyrie 007 True.
Don't know why Murray puts it on the right.
They will sell either way as limited cars so doesn't need to appeal to the American market.
We are talking about two completely different types of automobiles.
Both are very good but I'd rather have the T50 myself.
All cars are rubbish.
They should be run on water and we should be driving kindly.
No need for so much transport if Humans lived correctly.
That's my philosophy.
@Valkyrie 007 They already did.
Many years ago.
I love petrol it's so cool.
Great for the planet.
I want the new Ferrari Bugatti Porsche drop top Boxster 5000 looks really nice.