Why is no one talking about ROME in Winds of Change?
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
- I can't believe it. A community full of Romaboos... missing out on Rome? Impossible.
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Video Chapters:
0:00 - 1:04 Intro
1:04 - 4:48 What actually is Dev Cost Modifier?
4:48 - 6:20 Its Rare
6:20 - 11:25 The Run
11:25 - 12:12 Outro
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2400 hours... and I never noticed that there is a difference between dev cost modifiers and normal dev cost... I feel betrayed.
Its not explained... well at all is it?
And people say inno is bad
It completes national ideas, that's for sure!
Inno is bad
@@Rosemarie_and_tomatoNuh uh
Inno bad
@@faisalal-qassem3758 nuh uh
never knew dev cost modifier was a thing, feels like it needs a new name, like how CCR/Admin Eff are clearly 2 different things.
Yeah, its communicated REALLY badly. Like the techs used to give 'development efficiency' which was the exact same thing, but if you got dev cost modifier from SPECIFICALLY technologies, it would be dev efficiency.
@@LemonCake101 or like how the production efficiency you get from admin techs uses a different icon than normal production efficiency
@@ioncavegrandma9256 yeah there are some fun decisions made throughout the game, but at least a lot of them are being standardized.
i discovered it, when first time decided to play tall custom nation. i was so confused when chosing national ideas beyween dev cost and dev cost modifier
Oh also, I tried no music for this one. What you do think about that decision?
Anyway with that said come chat in my discord here: discord.gg/cZE83tQKxS
Feels empty, but your voice is strong enough to solo carry the video anyway
@@user-zg4bk6rv1q thanks for the feedback!
It sounds very authentic without music :^)
@@spookymethod thanks for the feedback!
I didn’t even notice
6:10 challenging florryworry?!?! are you mad?
There are limits to all of our powers...
This is one guide im going to listen to intently but not even pretend like im going to try it.
I think I have a trend of those on my channel
Florryworry did this way earlier before the italy mission when he tried to get 1 billion men
Oh I know believe me, I was referring to this specific run.
@@LemonCake101 Can you share link to this run, please?
@@taishi-sama-tfc ugh it might be a pain to track down now, Florry isn't exactly known for putting his runs in accessible places.
@@taishi-sama-tfc czcams.com/play/PL-sZdC5NT9KAwRmFeXChl8PJd4DLnR6sb.html
On youtube all the florryworry run are keep in the channel florryworry cog but are unlisted , you have to open the folder named streams
10:48 Wait, there's centralised bureaucracy with less than X amount of provinces as well as centalised monarchical bureaucracy with more than X amount of provinces. Thats horrid. With the former also having the badly named Dev Cost Modifier that reform has got to be one of the most concentrated cases of bad naming in the entire game.
Also, the wiki says that it is "Owns less than 15/25/35/50 same Continent Provinces, depending on Age" and considering you need tech 27 for this, owning 49 european provinces and being economic hegemon seems a lot more doable.
Yes, the classic way of doing this is shoving your capital in Oceania, since I am pretty sure that continent doesn't even have 50 provinces (or 50 worth conquering)
Congrets on 10k. Highly deserved!
Thank you, appreciate the support!
Congratulations on 10.000 lemon pebbles!
Thanks!
There is also a 5% dev cost modifier as holy order from being a catholic iberian nation. May be easier than to conquer korea
Oh that one, true. It does mean you can also theoretically do it if you fail to pop the pulse event.
@@LemonCake101 you probably lose the Korean gov reform after flipping to Iberian though
@@grabbers6520 ^ I am assuming flip Iberian, pop the estate edict and then flip to Korean after that.
@@LemonCake101 ohhhhhh, true that works
@@LemonCake101 Doesn't work, you lose the holy order 😭
"The eu4 community never fails to disappoint"
lmao
You can shift click the gift button to speed up the process in late game. No need for autoclicker (in that case, in my opinion)
Well, yes, for smaller amounts, but sending like 50k is a pain, and I had a game in the 1750's with friends where I tried to send 250k, and yeah I am not clicking 2,500 times.
I wish Sichuan overlapped with Carpathia 😔
... Sichuan will grow larger
@@LemonCake101Always love a generals reference
@@anthonyfangqingyu4570 :)
Lemon, are you recording in a specially built echo maximising room?
Just my uni dorms...
And what could you tell us about the new Germany mechanics? Prussia and Germany got new mechanics in Domination and now they are updated again right? Some stuff with the german culture group right? Any new missions for Germany?
They are interesting, although I am sad to see that the 5% admin efficiency from Germany is now locked behind the age of revolutions and going revolutionary. Could be an interesting topic to explore for a video in fairness.
Would be nice to see someone try this
I don't think I desire to cause that much suffering...
You can actually shift+click to send 100g per click making it easier to send large almount of gold
Yup, but if I am sending 50k, I am not doing that. Once I sent 250k in the 1750s to a friend, and yeah I was not about to click 2500 times even with shift.
Does all power cost reduction affect dev cost or dev cost modifier?
It does not effect dev efficiency, it does effect dev cost though.
4:17 isn't it 100 ducats at a time if you hold shift?
Yes, but if I am trying to send say 50k, it gets tough.
@@LemonCake101 Can't you type in the amount? I'm sure there are some actions involving a money counter where this is possible at least (Charter territory f.i)
@@Paal2005 yes, but chartering needs a province compared to offer loan and not pay back
Btw, you can shift click sending money so it's 100 ducats at a time :)
You think that a person that thinks Innovative ideas are bad would know this?
Yup, but if I am sending 50k, I am not doing that. Once I sent 250k in the 1750s to a friend, and yeah I was not about to click 2500 times even with shift.
Yup, but if I am sending 50k, I am not doing that. Once I sent 250k in the 1750s to a friend, and yeah I was not about to click 2500 times even with shift.
No idea is 'bad' its just ideas exist to solve problems, and inno doesn't really solve a problem that other idea groups don't solve better. If you are having fun with it, inno is solving the important problem of having fun, so ofc feel free to take it yourself.
gj for 10k
I don't know how much money youtube gives, but given that you have a reasonable size, isn't it time to buy a new micro? Or is this just part of your character? xD
Thanks! Worst part about the mic and my constant battle with it for audio quality, is its not a bad mic: its around a $80 fancy one so I feel like even if I where to spend $100 it surely a settings issue or something. Believe me I have been trying.
@@LemonCake101 Ah, the constant war against technic. As someone working in IT I can relate to you very well.
It doesn't really bothers me, I just noticed that you still have the same sound quality despite now reaching a new milestone and becoming a big content creator. ^^
Ah yeah unfortunately Rome already had the temporary modifiers - helped them from the second Punic war but ran out at the time of pompeys conquests
Very sad, I can't believe Rome managed to get below +3 stability...
Floryworry managed to do an infinte dev province stacking dev cost modifier to 0. Spend minutes on autocilcker
Oh believe me I know, I was there live :)
If you hold Shift while increasing Gift amount it goes up in 100s not 25s
I am aware, but still doesn't help when sending like 50k. Worst I ever sent was 250k, and yeah I am not shift clicking that
4:04 If you hold shift when sending money you increase it w 100 each click.
Yup, but if I am sending 50k, I am not doing that. Once I sent 250k in the 1750s to a friend, and yeah I was not about to click 2500 times even with shift.
tbh it doesn't sound THAT bad. you only need to form 6 euro tags, 3 of which are end-game tags, culture shift to korean at the end and get an idea group pulse event. could've been worse
oh yeah, you also need eco hegemon
Exactly, why don't you give it a go? You can race the guy in my discord doing it!
@@LemonCake101 tell him that the race is on and he'd better hurry up because whatever stage he's at, I've passed it two hours ago (i am NOT doing it, not in a million years)
0:31 true
Also the true Bohemia
Like the inno bit
Something something no something
Shift clicking when sending a gift makes it increase by a hundred instead of twenty five
Yup, but if I am sending 50k, I am not doing that. Once I sent 250k in the 1750s to a friend, and yeah I was not about to click 2500 times even with shift.
this is cool and all but we need to find out insulting we can be in eu4
power projection from insults when?
That might be a short instead of a video :(
@@LemonCake101 i'd still watch it. would be very funny
@@BobbiusRossius fair, but shorts bad though
SPQR 🦅🦅🦅🦅
Rome mentioned?
Assuming development is sorta like population, this is like materializing people out of thin air
Yes, I love it!
Thousands of hours and i just found out thise modifiers are different
Believe me, judging by my comments on the previous videos where I didn't explain it in depth, you are not the only one!
Hi Lemon Cake
o/ hello
Absolute shame that this expansion added a bunch of content to Italy and Rome yet didn't just give the papal States the ability to form Rome or if they weren't going to do that update their mission tree
Glory to the SPQR
For gifts shift click to send 100 duckets per click
True, but it hurts when you a are trying to send like 50k.
Subscribers tier list at 10k or I unsubscribe
That's 3 times the province count!
@@LemonCake101 province tier list then
@@chumnae5333 please no
@@LemonCake101 yes. Wienerwald and Dumbfries are S+, Nogay is off the list for a few reasons
They should just call it it development cost multiplier or something. That would quite clearly show it to be different from the normal (additive) dev cost.
Whatever they end up changing I hope they do end up changing it, because I feel like I need to explain it every time a video on it is done. I have this one, the one video where I stack at and a standalone guide on dev efficiency.
But they are both additive modifiers. They could call this "base dev cost" imo, because i feel that the most confusing part is how the first two words are the same
@@sirflasm3456 That's fair. To be honest the best way might be calling it base dev cost and then not even representing it as a percentage, but as the flat amount it changes the base by from 50 (so instead of "-10%", it just says "-5"). Although I'm not sure, can mods change the original base, because I guess that would ruin it?
@@DylanSargesson Yeah i guess mods are the issue. At least Eu4 is near the end of its lifetime and eu5 looks like it's going to have less modifier stacking and no development system
@@DylanSargesson mods can change the base dev cost value, but I am yet to see a serous standalone mod that has. Anbennar, Ante Bellum and pretty much every single MP balance mod have not changed it.
Suprisingly the update had been drought, at least from youtube video perspective.
Still waiting for someone to pick up Hormuz campaign
I remember in my suggested videos seeing a Oman playthrough in fairness!
@@LemonCake101 I think i know who you meant and yeah already watched him, i subscribe to him after all. :v
Well you might say that Inno is useless, but have you considered that stacking useless monarch point cost reductions pleases the caveman part of my brain that loves it when big number go small?
Well yes, but you still get to 100% innovativeness without it. Again though if an idea groups makes you happy, be happy and take it: I am just a guy on the internet making bad jokes
@@LemonCake101 Oh I completely agree with you, its status as meme tier is well deserved. I couldnt tell you why I like it, its just always been my go to when I dont know what to pick. Its the policies if I had to guess.
But thats just me rambling. Great video as always, keep it up! (Even though I'll never attempt that shit, good lord)
@@MultiPixelLP the policies tbf are pretty neat, I will give it that.
@@MultiPixelLP Thanks for the support appreciate it!
@@LemonCake101 yeah but is it really worth taking up a idea group slot just for policies?. maybe you can justify like court for ccr and province warscore cost but i feel taking ideas just for policies isn't worth it
Emm, i think this is actually impossible. Not just very hard but impossible without cheats :
With the release > feed > kill > release and play as "exploit" you can do the tag switches fast enough.
The problem is the economigic hegemon. It ticks up by 0,5% per month, meaning you need 200 months for it to fully grow. Thats 16,67 years. And even if you finish the tag switches each very fast you will have to complete anything from the first tag switch mission to becoming poland or lith ( depending on which you want to do last) injust under 4 years.
well, the play is do the switches, set up the tags, tick up econ hegemon, and do the final formable that are temp when you are already at 100. Since the release and play mods are permeant modifiers on the province.
what happened to the audio quality?
more fiddling, I turned something called gain off for this one, no idea if it helps/hurts. I am no audiophile/
@@LemonCake101 comparing between this and the "all power costs stacking" video, i'd say that one was clearer and less echo-y, but i dont know anything about sound, or settings for that matter, this just sounded off.
@@agatofelin722 no fair enough, as you can probably tell, I know very little about sound either. Thanks for the feedback!
@@LemonCake101 i'm just curious though, why does your audio sound so crispy on videos edited by kaiser or whatever his name was (i forgor
@@BobbiusRossius I know he did some sound stuff himself but yeah he complained to me about audio a lot too
Because forming Rome is hard for the average player
what a wild pronounciation of hegemon lmao
What can I say, when you are a hegemon, you pronounce it how you want. What are they going to do, lose to you in a war?
if you shift-click while sending money you send in the hundreds
Yup, but if I am sending 50k, I am not doing that. Once I sent 250k in the 1750s to a friend, and yeah I was not about to click 2500 times even with shift.
temporary or permanently
once it's 100% I will dev to the maximum limit
That's the best part... there isn't one. Using eu4 game code/console to test thing you can dev to literally any number you want.
@@LemonCake101 tbh eu4 has just too many permanent modifiers it's kinda broken but fun
@@Al-Basha_ I say the opposite, add more and give me more content
You can shift click gifts
Yup, but if I am sending 50k, I am not doing that. Once I sent 250k in the 1750s to a friend, and yeah I was not about to click 2500 times even with shift.
@@LemonCake101 that is a lot of money
@@konplayz late game Eu4 what can I say
Take a shot every time he says dev
Please don't, that sounds pretty unsafe!
italy is an end game tag though. and dev is meh for an end tag. what you gonna do?
sp: rush and dev only italy? then do what?
MP: play tall italy?
That's ok, we release and play as another tag anyway so we stop being an endtag. Italy is only there for the province modifier.
Ok ok good video. But hold on. Sending ducats 25 at a time ? How tf are you sending money ? If you wanna send 1k it's 10 shift+clicks. Honestly much faster than opening the loan menu, placing the slider and adjusting the interest. Whoever sends ducats 25 at a time to send 1k is either really brave or really stupid (call it ignorant if you prefer). And most certainly a lot of both.
I mean I know you can do it 100 at a time (although I now have like 10 comments pointing it out, thanks guys) but yeah if you offer loan you can do it as a slider, and they can cancel, which means if you are passing like 50k it saves on clicking.
One campaign in 1750's I was sending 250k to someone and boi that would have taken hours to click.
@@LemonCake101 right all good ! Again great research !
@@Shayrin2 Thanks for the support!
Maybe because it doesn't look so good towards the end of the game, when we create Rome?
End of the game? You don't create Rome in 1500s? Smh my head...
@@LemonCake101 Try this on Very Hard and for OPM
@@ReSSwend I think the record in fairness was not VH but that OPM in Northern Italy.
Sorry I am currently working on a Alcheringa native tribe independent daimyo revolutionary empire revolutionary state celestial empire emperor of china shogun horde presidential dictatorship peasant republic parliamentarian free city elective monarchy holy roman emperor revolutionary Papal States run where I uncolonize the entire world
@@LemonCake101holy shit it’s literally arwys
now do it on v.hard.but honestly dev reduction is most useless modifire
Most Useless Modifier = Has more dev in Rome then the rest of the map combined, and can still keep going
I gave up talking about eu4. Waiting for next 👀
But Eu4 good 👀
@@LemonCake101 i juiced up eu4, waiting for project ceasar. But im not sure should i hype for it or not. Paradox can make a half game like bunch of useless previous games
@@fastturtle1769 we will see. I hope its a Ck3 type release, and so far its looking good I will have to admit.
@@LemonCake101 they will squeeze our 20 bucks. I do not trust paradox. The great example for here is baldurs gate 3 larian (in company sense). I dont know did you played it or not but they made excellent job with out dlcs. In these days we dont know what is a finished game. I wish all other game companies take example from them.
@@fastturtle1769 Fair enough, that is your call at the end of the day. Worst comes to Worst, Eu4 is still going to be there.
Ehh, you can probably have it easier if you do Lübeck first because that one is permanently. The do Lith and just form Poland. You should be able to just form poland because YOU there never an endgame tag.
Lubeck is permanent but only a national modifier, you have to do Lithuania before those (country vs province mod, lose country mod on release and play)
Romechads play imperator
Real Romechads know that Rome is eternal, and must be played in every game.
@@LemonCake101 I KNEEL!!!
@@CharlesConover it is all good, come to the side of winners, come to Rome. Or Rome will come to you.
Everyone spam Florry with requests to do this!
(don't really, haha)
Please don't!
Hey man, I like your videos, but please get a better mic
It's really hard for me to understand you a lot of times
I have a decent mic to be fair (around $80 cost for it) but I have been fighting the settings for a while
Inno is great if you cant manage your eco! Very noob friendly.
If you are having fun, sure!
Yeah, Italy's 25% CCR, national manpower, infantry CA and a whopping +50% improve relations are bad national ideas right
No discipline, goods produced, idea cost, tech cost or dev cost (so MP stuff).
For SP they are great!
@@LemonCake101 I thought you meant for SP since the usual modifier stacking can, if at all, only be done in SP too. Do you play in MP? I've never tried.
Good video but please speak a bit clearer next time please
Thanks for the feedback, I will do my best!
I’d have respected the video more if you did all the steps. Since your cheating to show is anyways.
Honestly fair, but I find it a bit redunant, do you really need me to set base production on a random Korean province to 10k, state, give mana flip cultures, etc? Like I did it before in other videos, and on one really cared enough to see it. If you want to test it yourself you are welcome to.
Bruh im sorry but that mic quality..... nope im out
Yeah fair enough, I am working on it.
Oh no I guess I’ll have to play in the Italian region for the 30th time!
Oh no, the tragedy...