Would love to see a more apples to apples comparison. Either move hunting set up to target bow or move target set up (sight, bars, release) to your hunting bow. That way you can really see if the longer ata makes a difference.
My first Mathews bow was a 1996 Signature. It was a 41" ATA hunting bow designed for finger shooters (less pinch on your fingers when pulled back). Bows were much lighter back then. The 41" ATA Signature was about 3.5 pounds. Even though I switched over to a release eventually, I shot that bow for 17 seasons & harvested a large number of deer with it. Each year Mathews cranked out something new, but I just kept telling myself I would wait until the next new marketing hype item came out. Near the end of that 17 year period, the one thing (SoloCam) that first put Mathews on the map was starting to disappear. My current bow (2013 model different brand) has factory specs of 35" ATA, 6.25" brace height, 340 fps, & 4.5 pounds. A 2024 bow of the same brand would be 34" ATA, 6.25" brace height, 342 fps, & 4.5 pounds. I would feel silly replacing my 10+ year old bow. I like most everything about it. Buy whatever you can afford & just enjoy it for years to come. I prefer 34-35" ATA bows. Compared to my previous bow, that still seems short!
Good morning from New Zealand! Love the videos Tim and the whole community you guys have in Spokane… my suggestion, Shoot 40 arrows with one bow and then again with the other bow, score only the last 30 of each bow. I believe the constant swap n between releases may have cause, I said “MAY”, the big variance. Just a suggestion from an old guy with just a year of experience shooting 2 different index releases from 2 different bows, a 33ATA hunting and a 40ATA target…
Very interesting results and great production. I like the longer bow for 3D events like TAC, but I prefer a shorter ATA for treestand/saddle hunting Whitetails.
Really cool you're doing this comparison! I bought a Bear Cruzer G3 last year. First bow, and it's relatively short. Wasn't 100% sure I made the right call... but over time, after talking to some folks, I figured out it's fine if you just practice. But it's cool to see what kind of thoughts you came away with after trying both of these out. Thanks Tim!
Definitely needs to be a part 2. It looks like Darton for the win on this one. What is the difference of weight of the bows? Are they both on the same draw weight? Good shooting and love the videos.
I have a couple of hunting bows and shoot them back to back over a period of time and keep track of the scores with each to try and get a long term idea of which one I shoot the best.
Man your video was excellent . I have to say one thing I shoot in very similar way every time the weather allows. The thing is you had excellent first 3 arrows on 50 with the Darton because you were fresh and not tired. Also because you didn't have a lens you were not overcompensating . Too me I can see the float of the bow from the fatigue. I have very similar experience when I shoot. I normally shoot 1 arrow at 20 if it is an x I go to 30 if it is a 10 or x a go at 50 and shoot only 50. My first 3 arrows will be 10 and 9s after that it is all downhill. After I get exhausted I shoot one arrow and pause for 2 minutes than again until even with brake I can't make 10s . Than I go back to 30 shoot few more 10s and I go home. Any super nice video please make one more.
Good shooting TIM.. The difference I noticed watching you shoot is you seem to struggle getting the thumb release to fire at 50YDS and not so much with the index finger release.. Just my thoughts..
I generally find myself getting tired faster with the bigger bow becoming more unstable I wonder if the wind is having a greater affect on the king bow as well
Pretty interesting and fun video comparing apples 🍎 to oranges 🍊 and the close results were pretty cool to see. 29 inch ATA is not an average size for a hunting bow it’s on the short end of the spectrum of 29-34, although there are more 30 ATA and lower bows in the market than there use to be. Great shooting with both, especially the Darton out to distance. I would like to see an uneven 3D course run with both of those bows 😎🏹🏹🦌🐻
It’s the shit bro you won’t regret it !! I just wish u was able to get a black one but i didn’t wanna wait 8 weeks for the order i stuck with the OD green
I personally believe that ata is less important than riser length. That darton's riser isn't much shorter than the riser on the pse and it shoots pretty close for the idea.
Um the consequence you draw past your anchor and the settle. I'm wondering how long the draw and d loop are considering the differing string angles. To long of the d loop will change your float pattern compared to a shorter d loop.
Tim! You take advice based on review right? Look at your release hand when you shoot. Try the 4 finger, please! You already lock your fingers in place, allow yourself to have the leverage!! I did it and never looked back. Since I don't pull through on a clicker, it gives me more leverage to stay locked back and keep good strong tension for a strong shot!
First off, did anyone notice he was shooting the supra with his thumb release and the consequence with his trigger finger release? If you really wanna compare bows there's a lot more than picking two bows up and comparing them. I would start with shooting both bows with the thumb release.
I prefer a longer ATA. Anything under 33 inches feels a little "twittchy" to me. It doesn't help I have a 32 inch draw length so string angle is pretty severe with shorter bows, but I just feel like a longer riser makes them more stable at my DL
You should do a Qad vs hamske video or a fire side chat about what rest you guys like now…. I shoot a hamske and love it but a big part of that is how you guys hyped up the hamskea a couple years ago… “it’s bullet proof etc.” I would love to get your opinions on why social media went back to qad and what other rests guys should look into. #100kleggo
There is a difference in how they anchor and release the string, so if he's tuned them for the release it'll change how they shoot. Also there are private hers running index releases, you can be just as accurate with either.
Im sure youd shoot great in the middle range i usually shoot 33 and up to 38 but i do like my 40 supra rtx i think i shoot better with my verdict but then i go down the my 34 to 36 ata bows and i shoot great.
It looked like you needed a bit more weight on the front of the Consequence (the bar was kicking up on the follow thru), how much of any difference was due to the different setup rather than the different bow ?
I do not use a lens in my target sight, my scores have always dropped significantly when I use a scope lens and risen back to the pre lens scores immediately I remove it. The lens looses me about 80/100 points a round on a 144 arrow (York round )
For a field round it made almost no difference switching between a five pin short rod setup (NFAA bowhunter?) and an Unlimited setup, the five pin setup is so much less hassle and so much more fun (for me !)
Don’t know what was going on , but on the 50 yard shots your Supra was swaying side to side a lot…. At least that’s what it looks like watching the video
I was told more than a couple of times by coaches that more weight on the back bar is pretty important. Forgot the ratio, but I guess it's such a personal thing.
Hey Tim! How do you set your sight? Its shooting left high? I’m a newbie and want to learn how to set my sight up myself instead of depending on the pro shop to keep doing it for me. Thanks in advance 🙏🏽
He uses the Stan SoleX. It's a very nice "budget" index release. It's cheaper than many other index releases and still has great adjustability. I got one after TC's recommendation and it's my favorite index release by far.
Never shot against anyone or really with anyone like in paper targets and really 3d for that fact. So idk what is good and what is not. But say if u can hit in the middle of all 3 targets or within an inch or so everytime should that person start shooting tournaments or start shooting more seriously or is it completely normal to be able to shoot like that everytime at 20 yards on a paper target in your back yard
Man you are like tracking at your skill and thought process as me. I’ve concluded all things equal bow quality and setup. It comes down to the Indian not the bow
It's just like golf clubs. You can't buy scores. Sure, a target bow might be slightly more accurate in the right hands... most people can't out shoot their bows, any bow, period. The problem is you, not the bow.
You focus on your level too much. Look once, make adjustments, focus on your target. You’ll naturally want to pull it back to level and on target. You can see the bow moving back and forth as it appears you’re trying to center your bubble. Greatly appreciate your content.
Happy Monday friends.. think there needs to be a part 2? Go crush your week, and don’t forget to shoot your bow
Same shoot but with the Bear in place of the Darton
Shoot with Dan and get a bench mark your pse vs his title
Would love to see a more apples to apples comparison. Either move hunting set up to target bow or move target set up (sight, bars, release) to your hunting bow. That way you can really see if the longer ata makes a difference.
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I 100% agree. Throw the target stuff on the consequence
You ever stay up late and think of the length and girth of your bow? Lol great video man! Love all your stuff!
Glad you caught that 😀
Great video. Would love to see a part 2 with this. Also think it would be cool to do a mini series with this.
Looks like the white wizard isn’t as much of a difference as I thought. I’ll keep going with my 29 V3X. It’s just fine.
1:01 timmy my bow isn't what I'm worried about being long enough 😂😂
My first Mathews bow was a 1996 Signature. It was a 41" ATA hunting bow designed for finger shooters (less pinch on your fingers when pulled back). Bows were much lighter back then. The 41" ATA Signature was about 3.5 pounds. Even though I switched over to a release eventually, I shot that bow for 17 seasons & harvested a large number of deer with it. Each year Mathews cranked out something new, but I just kept telling myself I would wait until the next new marketing hype item came out. Near the end of that 17 year period, the one thing (SoloCam) that first put Mathews on the map was starting to disappear. My current bow (2013 model different brand) has factory specs of 35" ATA, 6.25" brace height, 340 fps, & 4.5 pounds. A 2024 bow of the same brand would be 34" ATA, 6.25" brace height, 342 fps, & 4.5 pounds. I would feel silly replacing my 10+ year old bow. I like most everything about it. Buy whatever you can afford & just enjoy it for years to come. I prefer 34-35" ATA bows. Compared to my previous bow, that still seems short!
Good morning from New Zealand!
Love the videos Tim and the whole community you guys have in Spokane… my suggestion, Shoot 40 arrows with one bow and then again with the other bow, score only the last 30 of each bow. I believe the constant swap n between releases may have cause, I said “MAY”, the big variance. Just a suggestion from an old guy with just a year of experience shooting 2 different index releases from 2 different bows, a 33ATA hunting and a 40ATA target…
Agree, changing the bow every 3 or 5 shots would be confusing.
29 is a perfect size. Some might even say it's above average. I bet it shoots better and has a great personality! ; )
Right on
Very interesting results and great production. I like the longer bow for 3D events like TAC, but I prefer a shorter ATA for treestand/saddle hunting Whitetails.
Really cool you're doing this comparison! I bought a Bear Cruzer G3 last year. First bow, and it's relatively short. Wasn't 100% sure I made the right call... but over time, after talking to some folks, I figured out it's fine if you just practice. But it's cool to see what kind of thoughts you came away with after trying both of these out. Thanks Tim!
Definitely needs to be a part 2. It looks like Darton for the win on this one. What is the difference of weight of the bows? Are they both on the same draw weight? Good shooting and love the videos.
No, darton is 70lb draw pse is 58 ✊
@@TimConnor13 may have to drop the draw weight to match as well. Can’t wait to see the next test.
I have a couple of hunting bows and shoot them back to back over a period of time and keep track of the scores with each to try and get a long term idea of which one I shoot the best.
Great video. As always. Your should watch the replay your head position was different on the target bow when you were hitting high I believe.
Also don't move your feet between shots. You want to keep everything the same for each shot, reduce all variability that you can
Bought the stan solex index release per your recommendations and let me tell you, absolute game changer!!
Man your video was excellent . I have to say one thing I shoot in very similar way every time the weather allows. The thing is you had excellent first 3 arrows on 50 with the Darton because you were fresh and not tired. Also because you didn't have a lens you were not overcompensating . Too me I can see the float of the bow from the fatigue. I have very similar experience when I shoot. I normally shoot 1 arrow at 20 if it is an x I go to 30 if it is a 10 or x a go at 50 and shoot only 50. My first 3 arrows will be 10 and 9s after that it is all downhill. After I get exhausted I shoot one arrow and pause for 2 minutes than again until even with brake I can't make 10s . Than I go back to 30 shoot few more 10s and I go home. Any super nice video please make one more.
Hose vanes are different!! Interesting video so many veriables there haha
Good shooting TIM.. The difference I noticed watching you shoot is you seem to struggle getting the thumb release to fire at 50YDS and not so much with the index finger release.. Just my thoughts..
Bros flexing shooting a button with an index STILL ATTACHED lol. Love it Tim keep it up
Definitely would love to see part 2
Awesome trying to learn how to shoot so keep the vids coming I’m trying to learn as much as possible thanks 🙏🏽
I generally find myself getting tired faster with the bigger bow becoming more unstable I wonder if the wind is having a greater affect on the king bow as well
Pretty interesting and fun video comparing apples 🍎 to oranges 🍊 and the close results were pretty cool to see.
29 inch ATA is not an average size for a hunting bow it’s on the short end of the spectrum of 29-34, although there are more 30 ATA and lower bows in the market than there use to be.
Great shooting with both, especially the Darton out to distance. I would like to see an uneven 3D course run with both of those bows 😎🏹🏹🦌🐻
Love my consequence that I ordered from mr jones himself , got it all setup yesterday , hard to beat especially for the $$$
It’s the shit bro you won’t regret it !! I just wish u was able to get a black one but i didn’t wanna wait 8 weeks for the order i stuck with the OD green
I personally believe that ata is less important than riser length. That darton's riser isn't much shorter than the riser on the pse and it shoots pretty close for the idea.
Um the consequence you draw past your anchor and the settle. I'm wondering how long the draw and d loop are considering the differing string angles. To long of the d loop will change your float pattern compared to a shorter d loop.
Good shooting from both bows. Was wondering why you were alternating your releases
im honestly debating hunting with my pse supra focus. at 31" draw length, the short bows are nice to carry, but the string angle is rough.
I’m sure you realized while watching but when you used the finger trigger on the Darton you are much more accurate
I just noticed your anchor isn't putting the shaft in the valley above your chin and below your lip. Do you do that to compensate for facial hair?
Tim! You take advice based on review right? Look at your release hand when you shoot. Try the 4 finger, please! You already lock your fingers in place, allow yourself to have the leverage!! I did it and never looked back. Since I don't pull through on a clicker, it gives me more leverage to stay locked back and keep good strong tension for a strong shot!
Sure, longer bows shoot longer arrows but the longer strings have to cut more air - which slows down the whole bow!
Tim i think part 2 with the target bow vs the Alaskan XT!
Using the same fletchings on your target bow would shrink the groups up. Dang good shooting though!
Also, wonder if the shorter bow had the benefit of long stabilizers, would it make a difference?
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First off, did anyone notice he was shooting the supra with his thumb release and the consequence with his trigger finger release? If you really wanna compare bows there's a lot more than picking two bows up and comparing them. I would start with shooting both bows with the thumb release.
Tim u should at least shoot the same release for both
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Make "everything" the same except the ATA.
Tim,
I looked like to me you where reaching to get your nose on the string when shooting the PSE.
I prefer a longer ATA. Anything under 33 inches feels a little "twittchy" to me. It doesn't help I have a 32 inch draw length so string angle is pretty severe with shorter bows, but I just feel like a longer riser makes them more stable at my DL
Also... Lol couple people said apples to apples. See if josh will let you set up a few target bows! 3d seasons on its way!!
You should do a Qad vs hamske video or a fire side chat about what rest you guys like now…. I shoot a hamske and love it but a big part of that is how you guys hyped up the hamskea a couple years ago… “it’s bullet proof etc.” I would love to get your opinions on why social media went back to qad and what other rests guys should look into. #100kleggo
Youth bow 3d shootoff between you and mfjj would be hilarious
Should use the same release for both bows so ita fair an index will always be less accurate than a hinge
There is a difference in how they anchor and release the string, so if he's tuned them for the release it'll change how they shoot. Also there are private hers running index releases, you can be just as accurate with either.
Nice video dude keep it up
every time you shot the victory v6 it was low on the vegas face
40” is a long bow unless your over 6.2ish IMO. Watch how much the top limbs sway side to side on his last 5 arrows.
As an elf I prefer the tiny bow.
Im sure youd shoot great in the middle range i usually shoot 33 and up to 38 but i do like my 40 supra rtx i think i shoot better with my verdict but then i go down the my 34 to 36 ata bows and i shoot great.
It looked like you needed a bit more weight on the front of the Consequence (the bar was kicking up on the follow thru), how much of any difference was due to the different setup rather than the different bow ?
I do not use a lens in my target sight, my scores have always dropped significantly when I use a scope lens and risen back to the pre lens scores immediately I remove it. The lens looses me about 80/100 points a round on a 144 arrow (York round )
For a field round it made almost no difference switching between a five pin short rod setup (NFAA bowhunter?) and an Unlimited setup, the five pin setup is so much less hassle and so much more fun (for me !)
Don’t know what was going on , but on the 50 yard shots your Supra was swaying side to side a lot…. At least that’s what it looks like watching the video
Lose the clicker and stick with the wrist rocket!
When executed properly there isn’t a more accurate release!
I was told more than a couple of times by coaches that more weight on the back bar is pretty important. Forgot the ratio, but I guess it's such a personal thing.
On my v3x 33 I run 6 up front on a 12 bar and 4 on back on a 10 bar. It's all about feel. On my target set up I run 5 on a 30 bar and 16 on a 15 bar
Is the target bow like that because you tend to hold longer? I think I like more off the back than front for target, but still experimenting.
We need to get you a 74 inch English Warbow
Did you shoot the Dominator Duo as well? And why did you choose the supra over the Dominator?
You move a lot more with the PSE
Verrrrry good video sir
How’d you guys make the same video on the same day? You know who I’m talking about.
Oh and you did it better
Hey Tim! How do you set your sight? Its shooting left high? I’m a newbie and want to learn how to set my sight up myself instead of depending on the pro shop to keep doing it for me. Thanks in advance 🙏🏽
Chase your arrow. If you shoot high, move sight up. Shoot to the left, move sight left
Thank you so much I’ll try that I’m just not sure how I just started shooting a bow like my third time but thanks 🙏🏽
@@bent13waysthanks again I’ll try this tonight when I get home from work thank you 🙏🏽
What Wrist strap release are you using?
He uses the Stan SoleX. It's a very nice "budget" index release. It's cheaper than many other index releases and still has great adjustability. I got one after TC's recommendation and it's my favorite index release by far.
Never shot against anyone or really with anyone like in paper targets and really 3d for that fact. So idk what is good and what is not. But say if u can hit in the middle of all 3 targets or within an inch or so everytime should that person start shooting tournaments or start shooting more seriously or is it completely normal to be able to shoot like that everytime at 20 yards on a paper target in your back yard
Why Different releases?
The high and low variance is from the grips. Darton is flat, PSE has more angle. You are swapping bows but your brain/hand are not.
In my humble opinion, it is about knowing your bow and practice with the same set up 24/7. Buy what you like, then go shoot and get gud.
Damn ive tried this with my traix and my v3x 33, not even remotely as close as you were v3x won by like 10 miles
How’d you grow your channel so fast? I need some help 🤣
Man you are like tracking at your skill and thought process as me. I’ve concluded all things equal bow quality and setup. It comes down to the Indian not the bow
Pse is moving around more than the Darton. Center grip…
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ol long dong!! tim conner gold
Watch the video you shack more with the pse
Let’s go Brandon….😁
Why do you keep deleting my comments??
It's just like golf clubs. You can't buy scores. Sure, a target bow might be slightly more accurate in the right hands... most people can't out shoot their bows, any bow, period. The problem is you, not the bow.
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You focus on your level too much. Look once, make adjustments, focus on your target. You’ll naturally want to pull it back to level and on target.
You can see the bow moving back and forth as it appears you’re trying to center your bubble.
Greatly appreciate your content.