Six Months of War A Conversation with Douglas Murray and Josh Szeps Episode
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Why is it that Douglas Murray is just about the only person talking sense these days? I suppose it is called honesty and common sense.
well, not only douglas murray, but you have people like the leader of UN watch, and natasha hausdorff aswell. get your point tho, common sense seems to be none existence soon as israel is mention
Andrew Doyle still is too.
nope, you re just neo nazis you and murry
Douglas Murray is a legend!!
God bless Douglas!
Brilliant man.
I really admire Douglas Murray, because he tells the truth! God bless you!
Content starts at 18:10
Out of all the non Israeli, non Jewish reporters on Israel, Douglas Murray seems to truly understand what's actually going on from the local perspective. His grasp on the Jewish narrative is remarkable, when I hear him speak I feel indebted.
Thank you Douglas, God bless you.
Keep speaking out for the voiceless Douglas. I would have loved to have been able to speak with you whilst you were in Australia. You are a wealth of knowledge and you are right re Israel & the Western world.
Agree with all Sam said.
Israel needs our support
Thanks for front-loading your thoughts so that you could let your guests do 90% of the talking. I wish more hosts would do this.
Mr. Douglas Murray, sir.....I so love you and wish I could meet you! You never waver one iota on Israel's right to exist or defend herself! I'm a gentile....a Christian Zionist is what I call myself....most happily, and I have been loving and defending Jewish people/Israel for 38+ yrs! I so love your scholarship on so many levels...having read an possess a number of your books, but when I knew you loved and defende Israel unapologetically, and for quite abit......my love and admiration for you went to another level! I pray for your health, safety and well being on a regular basis! Many blessings and regards to you, from South Carolina, USA❣️💯
Bless you! This is such a beautiful uplifting thing to read
❤ An Israeli
Thankyou for this
Don’t alway agree with Sam Harris
This is why we need free speech
Are we awake now🕊
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That's a high five emoji.
I follow/subscribe to people who hold different opinions than me. It’s good to have all the information and not just views from your echo chamber.
For example…. If Trump got into power, fixed the economy, ended all the wars and cured cancer, the left would be screaming “WHY HASN’T HE CURED AIDS??!!”
This kind of moral clarity, and the willingness to state what almost no one wants to hear, requires courage of a kind that Harris has in spades.
Not Harris, but Murray, you mean! He slays with the facts😊💯❤
@@user-yy7hg4ph6f Both do stand up and clearly state their own moral beliefs in the face of much flack. I think it fair to commend both their courage, whether you agree with one or the other more.
Outstanding and remarkable work Douglas and Josh exposing and declaring the truth! 💯 God bless you! 💯✝️🕊🙏❤️🇨🇦🇬🇧🇮🇱🇺🇸
Voices of reason. Here before the pro-Hamas bot army.
If it's the "Groyper bros," ask them what, "After Saturday comes Sunday" means.
I thoroughly enjoyed listening to this podcast. Thank you!
I don’t always agree with you but you got this!
Sam is correct when he immediately begins to talk of Jihadists when discussing Hamas. The war against Israel is a Jihad, and it's time the Israelis themselves characterised it as such. Even Douglas isn't as strident on this.
There is a jihad against the whole world ( anyone who doesn't bow down to their demonic religion ) what's going on in Israel is highlighting it ( plus the jews have always been hated / hunted by these demons ).
you don't watch much content with douglas murray then lol
Yes, in it's current form. A similar kind of palestinian terror was directed against Israel before Hamas was founded. Back then it was the PLO and they were not islamist. They were influenced by the idea of national liberation. After all, the whole palestine cause takes on different forms, but remains a tool of pan-arab interest of power against a racial and religious minority.
Thank you for bringing sanity in those times of need
This should be blared from loudspeakers around the world louder than any call to prayer
Douglas and Sam are right all the way, as usual, of course!
You do realize they slightly disagree on some points? Like regarding the settlements in West Bank for instance
@@reddragonreadyYou do realize that most people disagree on some things - Riiight. 🤭😁😎
@@Always_A_Lady Yes I do ( as it so happens I agree with Sam a lot but not on everything, I agree with Douglas a lot but not on everything..I am an adult born pre 1990..I can handle this fact of life) and it has nothing to do with this. The above person made a specific statement that both Douglas and Sam are "right all the way", as per usual"..this can simply not be correct as they, even in this one subject, don't totally agree. Your reply is not as clever as your emojis seem to imply you to think it is.
Appreciate the heroic attempt to bring clarity to this complex and confusing issue. But ultimately we are dealing with human nature - groupthink, cognitive dissonance etc. Global anxiety also finding a culprit. Keep trying!
Douglas Murray 👑👑👑
כל הכבוד!
I agree w u 100%, Murray.
Just because the anti-semites in Britain seem to have the loudest voice, doesn't mean they are the majority. Everyone I know and talk to are fully on Israel's side. Unfortunately the government and media which we rely on to reflect are views, have failed to do this for about 20+ years now.
The silent majority needs to become the Vocal Majority. In America, in the UK, in Canada, in Europe etc. We are lucky enough to live in a country where we can speak the truth. We need to deserve that privilege by speaking up for what's right. Silence is a luxury we can no longer afford.
What silent majority? Polls show that the majority of the European population believes that Israel is committing human rights abuses in Gaza. The percentage is even greater in the global South.
❤ goes out to all innocents!❤
*_My comment supporting Douglas and Israel has been instantly CENSORED - I wonder WHY (Rhetorical) ..._*
CZcamss default auto moderator. Lord only knows what sets it off
Happens to me all the time, CZcams censors support for Israel. But, somehow, never seems to censor anything against Israel.
Thought police?
Me too. Wonder why, haha. 🤭😁😎
I 100% agree with every word Sam says here in the first 17 minutes. Now on to listening the rest...
Listening to Sam Harris restores just a little bit of my faith in humanity. Not much, but some.
Mr. Murray could you please one day make a call to LBC and chat to James o Brian, it would be fantastic for a reporter such as yourself to have a frank discussion with him
Thank you Sam. And as far as the aid workers are concerned, as a leader of an NGO myself, no one has pointed a finger at the WCK and asked why they are allowing their workers to be present in the middle of a tightly wound Warzone? Doesn’t leadership of that organization hold some responsibility for their workers? I appreciate their heroic work but to entangle themselves with terrorists seems crazy especially when many truckloads are already shipped in
Exactly. I live in NYC and don’t ride the trains after 10 pm… let alone go there not Gaza where hostages are being raped under my feet. It’s very twisted and the chef and the org who allowed them to go hold 100% accountability.
18:10 to skip over Harris.
Good. Harris developed a lethal case of TDS and has never recovered.
@@prometheusrex1 On this issue with Hamas Sam is correct. Trump is not mentioned in this podcast.
Why though
I admire Douglas for his bravery, intelligence, and honesty. Given recent events in the US, I doubt that citizens fully grasp the opportunity to address issues before they become irreversible
Douglas Murray should go to Breaking points or The Hill the younger generation listens to those shows.
This is great. Thank you, Sam.
Good effort Douglas!
Normally the countries have armies to protect the citizens. Hamas main interest from the beginning was - at least 100 000 sacrificed civilians to impress the world and they work hard to accomplish it.
Josh Szeps seems to hold an assumed moral high ground over Israel. Something the rest of the world assumes as well.
Very much agreed.
As a German, born in 1981, i was deeply impressed by the clarity of the comparison between Hamas and the SS and the consequence civillians have to suffer in war for decisions of their leaders. My own Hometown (Frankfurt) was severly destroyed in the war, my maternal grandmother was a refugee from western prussia and suffered their hole life from this experience. But May 8th 1945 was not only day of capitulation of the Wehrmacht it was the day of liberation of the german nation from Hitlers Regime because the German People could not have done this themself. The Palestinian People had to be liberated from Hamas
Amazing! Sometimes I feel like the only level headed person or the only person with, what is clear to me to be, common sense!
Keep up the good work.
I wish the whole podcast was on youtube
It is , watching it on CZcams on DM feed
Honesty is so sare nowadays.
Israel should adopt one of the two following plans, in my humble opinion:
1. Give Egypt an ultimatum: either Gaza itself and its residents are fully under their sovereignty, or the people of Gaza are fully their responsibility. No third option!
2. Declare full sovereignty over Gaza and make it a full fledged part of Israel, but only after a very long (can be 5-10 years) process of de-Nazification: taking hold of the educational frameworks, the mosques (at least to the extent of preventing the way they are currently spreading anti Israel and anti Jewish propaganda), the entire civilian apparatus, and slowly granting full citizenship to the Gazans that want it, while helping the Gazans who don't want it to emigrate outside of Israel to a place of their choice.
Yes!
Disagree with 2 because you cannot have a state with that many muslims in it and not lose jewish majority within a very short time...for obvious reasons that is a bad scenario.
Disagree with 1 because..who exactly has the right to give another free nation such an ultimatum
I think neither is feasible. The first isn't because what and who is supposed to give whom the right to put Egypt any such "ultimatum" and the second because it would lead within a very short time to an Israel in which jews are in the minority
@@reddragonready I agree with your first objection, but I do not think the second point is evident. The Hassidic (or Haredi) orthdox Jewish population in Israel is growing rapidly and have on average 6.64 children per family (which is higher than that of Israeli arabs and palestinians). I don't think the fear of a Jewish minority in Israel holds much weight, or is born out by the facts on the ground.
@@reddragonready Egypt is at least somewhat responsible for the situation that developed in Gaza: they refused from the start to supply them with almost any humanitarian aid, water, electricity and hardly any workplaces. All that fell on Israel, while on the other hand, Egypt's president inflamed the militant situation by turning a blind eye to weapon smuggling into the Strip that were made through the Sinai. So there is a logical basis to demand Egypt to play a more prominent role in solving this issue.. especially since Egypt is in a supposed peaceful relations with Israel since 1979. With regards to your second point about demographics: that's why I think this process should be done in stages, slowly enough so that it doesn't tip the demographics too much. It doesn't mean that in this transition period Palestinians will be completely without rights, there can be something similar to a green card process as well. At the end of the day, nothing can absolutely guarantee the demographic balance: the important thing to focus on is that citizens are integrated into the "Jewish" state, not in any theocratic sense. But the building of a Jewish society and discussion of what a Jewish nationality means, and how closely it is or isn't related to Judaism as a religion, is one of the many things Israel owes to itself to do and resolve, also because of internal tensions. My opinion is that one can belong to the Jewish nation regardless of his religion, but of course as we know that's not something a lot of Israelis believe in today, unfortunately to my mind.
Skip the first 18 minutes. The only time I can stand listening to a Harris podcast is when he has exceptional guests on
First time in year's, I agree with Sam.
thank you
I always felt that nazis have so much in common with jihadists.
hamas is literally just sand nazis lol
thank you🤗 you douglas murray are awesome😎 the truth will continue to be revealed while the wicked are exposed🔥 may all the kidnapped hostages be able to go home now💖 Israel needs to stop hamas & hezbollah! stay free, selfsufficient and unified ✨ all praise, credit, faith, truth, wisdom, trust, guidance, respect, love and glory to the Creator of the Universe🌈
While I agree for the immediate future that is an impossibility, I still say in the end the well known dual option seems the only fair one..we simply have two different groups here for both of whom this piece of land is where they hail from but for obvious reasons..once again made abundantly clear..there HAS to be a jewish state in this world which is really jewish and will remain predominantly jewish. A state in which jewish identity is never in danger of becoming the persecuted one within its borders.
as an Australian. I want to disavow Szeps's views as shallow and not representative. He doesn't pass the pub test here, and certainly doesn't speak for most of us.
I haven't even listened yet, but this Australian knows enough about him to know that you are right! Liked.
Yep, he disappointed me too.
Common sense is a thing of the past these days among many..more ppl need to speak out againts the maddness that is going on in our societies.✊️
If Hamas wore camouflage they would be easier to see.
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Josh has a delusional almost indecent stance on Israel. Murray is really patient with him
Szeps can’t help but fall back into his own bias…
Just listen to these people speak and they will tell you who they are. Just look at how these people act and they will show you who they are.
Two birds of a feather flock together. Go figure.
If you think more fully about it they did indeed use women and children to protect themselves. Or have you not looked into this in the detail that is overwhelmingly required.
1. Nazis had ZERO problems setting up their own citizens. And they also publically hung those who refused conscription.
2. You wanna talk hostages effectively - TAKE Hamas leaders from Qatar.
3. Dead aid workers discourage others from coming.
4. Sooner or later you gotta ask the question how the most financed intelligence agency (CIA) and the most efficient one (Mossad) were suddently “unaware” or “looking the other way” when biggest events like 9/11 or October7 happened…
Appreciated Every thing Sam said in the he opening-
All aside of the reference to the Settlements in Judea n Samaria as “ extremists”.
I suggest- with respect - that you drop that - as there’s No “ extremism “ in living on one’s land n saving this land from being looted by an Enemy!
Quite Literally…!
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There are extremists among them though. Religious fundamentalist extremism married with far right nationalism. However the scale is this is miniscule in relation
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I would love to listen to this clip, but Sam has an eerie way of trapping everything worth hearing behind his paywall.
I'm not going to call you an idiot because you don't know this; His podcast is free. All you need to do to get it is send one email and they give you a year free pass. For whatever reason. You don't need a reason. I've done it multiple times. Sam says it often. It's true, you get it for free by asking with one email. It's no big deal. So don't complain about paywalls.
@@lawrencefrost9063 well, thanks for not calling me an idiot... directly :/ At any rate, I had no idea it was free and just assumed it was like every other podcaster-with-a-paywall in existence. My bad. Thanks for letting me know.
Educated doesn’t equal intelligent or more crucial… wise. Just as corruptible.
I was the first view! Woohoo 😂
happy for you! you have made it !!!
Great job
Yes, Jihadism is worse than Nazism, but Imperial Japan Bushido is the more apt analogy and I'm not sure which is worse between Corrupted Bushido and Jihadism, but I'm more concerned why nobody remembers Dr. Ishii the way we remember Mengele, or Kamikazes and the death cult that was Japan
Wonder if Sam would prefer another 4 years of Obiden vs Trump?
Sam is right.
I'm surprised you don't know about the Hannibal directive regarding hostages.
The Hannibal directive is a designation regarding soldiers not hostages.
@@Illi13il seems to be anyone in this scenario
@@hankchinaski4075 then people shouldn’t confusing those who create the fire and those who have to put it out. The problem is everyone is confused by the films and propaganda on social media as to the time line and who did what.
❤️🇮🇱❤️💪Sam💪Douglas💪
What about the Israeli hostages, Douglas?
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Can't tell if Josh Szeps is disingenuous or just playing devil's advocate...
This Josh guy is extremely naive.
"war" hahahahahahahahahahah
Is this devoid of Trump Derangement?
Cute Echo Chamber
As opposed to the intellectuals amongst Muzlinems 😂
Sam your voice is so dull
Sam Sam Sam...
Shut up, shut up, shut up
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Well this was a fun circle jerk but I'm no closer to understanding this side of the argument.
As opposed to understanding the Hamas' side of the argument. Yep. Checks out just fine 😂😂😂
There is an easier way to solve the crisis, if Jews and Muslims accepted Christ all this would go away. 😢
For harris to say all jihadism must be destroyed for peace to dominate the middle east is to say he thinks all of islam must be destroyed... careless speech for one who claims to be a radical intellectual.
I think he means the militant fundamentalist type that's causing havoc all over not just the middle east but Africa and West Asia
So you admit all Islam = Jihadism
Sam's monologue is hard to 'digest'- too long too trodden, too semi-silly .. sadly though🥺
I see that Trump is still in control of Sam's brain.
Except that Nazism was most definitely a religion.
How so?
Atheists have a way of always pointing blame at religion. NAZI-ism was definitely not a religion.
Understand that human beings are religious by nature. So, in the absence of true religion (like Judaism or Christianity), people will emulate religious adherence to something. It may be Marxism, NAZI-ism, Lenon-ism, Maoism, atheism, communism, wokism, criminal enterprise, or pedophilia. All of the aforementioned being equally problematic. Also, all are projects of the atheist free thinking left.
Can be a Qausi religious superstitious dogma just like Marxism?
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Watch the Occult History of the third Reich 1991.
“This was a belief system of arcane rituals and potent symbols, with the ancient swastika appropriated for the Nazi cause. By the time of the Third Reich, Hitler and the Nazis had evolved an entirely new faith, complete with holy book, venerated relics, and a priestly elite in the form of Himmler's SS. It was a religion based on obedience, power, and the cult of the leader, with Hitler himself conceived in Messianic terms.”
I think Sam’s description is perfect. He described Naziism as a “quasi-religious phenomenon…a racist mysticism anchored to a cult of personality”.
Let's listen to what the Zionist apologists have to say on #genocidejoe and the shoah in Gaza 🙄
America is a legend, but Israel is not , its just like the short wimp , that hangs around with a tough guy as it can never stand on its own
So is Hamas. So what's your point
@@downtoearth5443 No Hamas isn't a country, so whats your point? Pick up skull cap and shut the door
@@burtdandy5755 Go grab any respectable history book and read.... Abt 1947-48, 67,73 and others.
@@downtoearth5443 yes, they still needed USA, UK , France and UK to help them.. its shown that USA shot down most of the rockets. not Israel
Israel could be in Antarctica and the middle east would still have a problem
sam is right on this issue, i wish he would talk to people he severed ties iwth.
THANK YOU SAM!