Post-Irony, Meta-Irony, and Post-Truth Satire
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- čas přidán 29. 01. 2020
- Heh, you think you're ironic? I bet you haven't even HEARD of postposthypermetairony.
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Please remember to not conflate postmodernism with irony, metamodernism with meta irony, postpostmodernism with post irony, and hypermodernism with hyper irony, even though I'm going to do that now forever and I don't care
If you want a more coherent explanation: • Pre Modernism to Meta ... - Krátké a kreslené filmy
"A man marrying another man? What's next, a man marrying his dog?!"
Irony: I am anti-gay marriage
Post-Irony: I am pro marital bestiality
brilliant XD
That is actually a good example
Meta-irony: I have no clue what I'm doing
Meanwhile, in Canada:
Irony of this was actually you saying you were anti-marriage equality while you have a homestuck profile picture
I imagine Jreg in fifty years as that homeless guy on the subway that speaks in parables and demands respect
Diogenes.
@@iconsting EXACTLY, he was the prototypical high IQ homeless guy, J-REG could be kinda like that but ARMED and dangerous giving whippersnappers relationship advice they cant even comprehend all over the MTA
I imagine that Jreg is a weird, horrific psychopath centrist. That. Confuses everyone. And just confesses it now.
Saffron I read his name as Greg
the one who gets beaten in A Clockwork Orange
So irony is joking about having a kink, post-irony is when it’s not a joke anymore.
I hate how this is the comment that helped me understand the layers
@@jobless_mar it took me so long to understand it but then when i thought of this it clicked HAHAHAHAH
see also: the reason why griffin adventurezone stopped making vore jokes
edit: well no the actual reason is that after his wife gave birth to his first child people were asking him on twitter if he was gonna eat it
@@olliefischer A Modest Proposal from Twitter
Meta irony is actually doing the stuff for the lol without even trying to know if it's ur kink
My favorite use of meta-irony is calling myself a gamer.
I'm actually pretty decent at video games, enjoy them and have some nice gear.
I also like to mock the "gamer" culture, gamers rise up and whatnot.
Most importantly, I consider myself neither being a gamer nor not being a gamer, i don't relate this term to myself at all, it has no meaning to me.
There is no truth about me being or not being a gamer but it's both sincere and ironic at the same time.
Oh no not the horseshoe
same!
Ah so you’re one of those transgenders I keep hearing about? I get it now.
@@purvdragon-sensei ???
I feel the same way-- in the same way someone is a "reader" or a "painter", I'm a "gamer", but I dislike the word and it how it unnecessarily associates me with this community. It's also a funny word when used by others, since everyone kinda hates it.
So if I every say "bro you're a gamer? dude, same, us gamers have to stick together", I'm likely doing it with an inflection that makes it seem like I'm being ironic, and that I'm just using the word to be funny, but in reality, I do somewhat find the term an apt description of me since I do play games. It's truth in under an ironic layer.
I think you fall in the same camp-- I don't think it's fair to say that "there's no truth about you being a gamer or not", I think it just means that it is true (to some extent, since there are multiple definitions), and you're using irony to cover it
I can't determine if this video made me smarter or instead if it gave me the sensation of making me smarter while actually making me dumber, like a bad-quality drug.
Beither
EclecticSceptic *beaver
it's ironic
is ironic i was on aftermath after the fact
@@SpookNukem 🅱️either
What i got from this video:
"I am Jonathan Swift; and I want you to eat irony."
*I R I S H B A B I E S*
That’s kinda slightly a little bit kinda sorta meta-ironic kinda
This a meta ironic masterpiece
@@E4439Qv5 no, this is clearly incorrect, he wants you to SELL Irish babies for OTHERS to EAT.
I greet my friend “hey how’s it going”, “oh it’s doing alright nothing crazy” he replies, we look each other in the eyes, pause for a moment, and then laugh. We were completely sincere, and it was funny. That is the level I’m currently at
You have transcended the need for irony layers altogether. I applaud you
You have reach new sincerity. Bravo.
this guy got beta testing rights for sincerity 2 from the CEO of sincerity
Just found out my whole life personality and humor are based off meta-irony
An Albanian man? I thought you were a myth. Good to know that there are people watching and basing their whole personality (Definitely by accident😏) on meta irony. I'm not much better though because I say that like I don't do the same thing.
I'm not insane I swear.
Yeah the same, probably explains why i have no friends and everyone thinks i'm either retarded or insane.
Same. I didn’t even know. But now, as a fan of meta-ironic communication, I’d argue that it’s not about trying on worldviews or even just wanting a reaction. (As in trolling)
-It gives you a layer of protection against getting a bunch of anon hate, whatever your opinion is. People start arguing with each other over what you mean instead of you.
-It’s a power move. You start a conversation about a topic, but get to gauge others’ reactions, after which you can decide whether you want to express your genuine opinions, keep talking to some interesting people, just watch them debate, or laugh it off.
seems a bit more like post-satire to me
So true bestie.
This just sounds like sincerity with extra steps
Oh It DoEs, OhMiGaWd GuYs WhAt A dIsCoVeRy.
Ooh la la, someone's gonna get laid in college
Philosophy is concluding life is pretty meta, but with extra steps.
No it’s definitely very different.
@@beatlefanc eek barba durkle, someone's gonna get laid in college
I’m pretty sure I ended this video knowing less about irony than I did when I started.
It’s pretty ironic.
No it isn't, that would be post-irony
Mudkip I guess I wouldn’t know.
@@Vgamer311 And that is meta-irony. I think, I'm not even sure.
Thanks for your sincerity
Joseph Marin A I am so confused.
This perfectly captures the pointless noise of modern internet discourse.
No it doesn’t
Yes to both of you.
Insert seven syllables.
I am a centrist.
among us
@@trashmystic7964 nice haïku
@@kung-borean30 yeah, ReAl NiCe
One of my favourite employments of meta-irony is the "aggressive compliment", when you pay someone a (potentially) genuine compliment, but with a tone implying frustration, annoyance, anger, etc.
"God, you're so fucking NICE all the time! You're compassionate and smart and MORE PEOPLE SHOULD BE LIKE YOU! UGH!"
And the other person is just left feeling oddly slighted, but also thankful and their confusion makes for a good laugh.
Wouldn't this be post-irony?
@@sleepyhead1212 Thought the same...
@@sleepyhead1212 I think it depends on the interpretation. If the recipient is confused, the “truth” is not clear. Also, I’m some cases, one would say that in both admiration and frustration - you love them for those qualities, but at the same time are frustrated or even jealous that they have those characteristics.
It’s would be post-ironic if it is in the end clear that it IS a compliment, and if it is understood the sarcasm was ironic.
I do this all the time, I think this is why I'm unlikeable
I'm sorry that I have massive fucking tits.
"This video about irony, on an ironic channel, will be completely unironic!"
>You lose 5 Sanity
The real gamer move is when the video slowly sheds its Layer 0 facade of sincerity, while simultaneously therein gaining +4 layers and jumping straight to Post-PostPostHyperMeta Irony
How ironic
*the darkest dungeon sanity loss sound effect plays*
, ironically
Ironic
This is how I understand it:
Sincerity: "I'm not a furry" (true statement, no joke)
Irony: "haha I'm a furry" (not a true statement which is the joke)
Post irony: "haha I'm not a furry guys stop it" (true statement but with the appearance that I'm being ironic and I am a furry which is the joke)
Meta irony: "guys I'm not a furry haha stop, Its not like a have a fursuit or anything guys stooop haha I'm not" (the truth of the statement is undeterminable bc of how many layers there are and at this point no one can tell if I'm a furry or not which is the joke)
You know that is the perfect description of it
You are the english teacher we want
Perfect
and the only people that can decipher your epic meta irony is people that know you well enough to know you're not a furry
@@janovich. but do even they know? maybe its my darkest secret
I view meta-irony as a way to keep outsiders from knowing the joke or actual position of a person while insiders know the actual position of the person or as a way to signal I agree with this thought or idea while being able to deny it to others in case of negative repercussions
AKA dog whistling?
@@FinetalPies same idea but theres more room for deniability. Meta irony is like an invisibility cloak for the truth. You can reach for the cloak and you may reveal something, or you may reach for it and theres nothing there. It erases all traces of social accountability
Agree
And giving older generations a stroke
Except that Meta-Irony means you don't have a position and say something in a sarcastic tone simply to say it.
The reason i like meta irony is because it really is just saying words with no intended meaning behind it.
So what its good at is making the reader or listener think for themselves about what is being said, rather than worrying about what the speaker is trying to say.
Its like information without any human connection. Its like the abstract art of saying things. Youve gotta come to your own conclusion because whoever is telling you the info doesn't have any intended conclusion that theyd like you to draw from it and they dont even have a conclusion either.
Are you telling me Socrates was meta-ironic?
Shit, I have just now got the meaning of abstract art by reverse engineering it through memes.
Exactly! The point of meta-irony isn’t the “truth” or the “claim”; it’s the thought process the audience goes through. It’s confusing on purpose, in order to be thought provoking.
So you want the mental credit of someone else's thinking without you having to do any thinking yourself.
Sounds like something a teenager would say.
@@Aldeni1551 what?
"Without having to do any thinking"?
"Mental credit"?
I dont think you understood what i said.
When he brought up minion memes I instantly thought of zoomers posting boomer memes ironically and that's got layers like an onion
yeah, i burst out laughing when i saw it
shrek-tier irony
Look at reddit.com/r/wackytictacs
They’re beautiful
Christian Hawkins fuck, did I just cause a rift in the time-space continuum?
@@disappointeddegenerate3186 Reading those may very well be the highlight of 2020
How do you call using meta-irony post-ironically? As in, purposefully muddling the waters of your own pre-post-ironic discourse in order to make the listener think you're being post-ironic (which means the listener thinks that what you're trying to portray sincerely is true) but actually you are being ironic from the start?
Using meta-irony to explain your post-irony is what you do Jreg. You try to explain something sincerely or sarcastically, but it doesn't really matter because at the end of the video you'll always add another layer anyways, in order to confuse the listener. Double the layers, double the fun.
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I'm gonna go scoop up my brains
the meta irony is a legit coping mechanism I learned to deflect when people confront me with uncomfortable shit. Thats the mask I put on.
I think this is the core of it
Take ur normal pillz bruva
Got diagnosed with ASD few months ago, i now realize why my irony comes off as sincerity for some reason. I've been unironically subconsciously commiting the act of speaking post ironically despite the fact my intention was irony.
I have come to some conclusions about trying to be ironic or joke when falking to neurotypicals and would like to know if you agree:
Neurotypical humor is very boomer like. Sounds Mean and plain to us. Just like we sound “rude” to them sometimes.
People calm me rude and blunt (cause autistic) but also fun and witty (cause austistic).
I am not that fun or inteligent, its just the neurospice 😎
Holy fast, that's actually a lot of sense. People have repeatedly, even _constantly_ assumed I've been sarcastic when I give an opinion straight up as zero.
I am an autist too (Aspergers).
Oh God, Jreg is talking normally and not wearing a costume its going to get dark
QUICK get him in his undies again!
I genuinely believe that Jreg is doing a very interesting and groundbreaking form of political and cultural analysis throughout his entire channel, and I also deeply believe he's never going to actually say that.
Like he said about layer 2: he probably doesn’t know what he’s exactly doing
Imagine he comes here just to say "I am" meta-ironically.
Me too, man.
Whether he has a currently defined position or not, one thing that his content has done so far is make those whose head isn't too deep inside their own anus pause and think about their own position. He attacks every side, so that applies to everyone, which is a good thing and missing in all sides today. And I mean all sides, not just the traditional 2/4, cause those axes things are pure bs.
...so essentially, Socrates was on Layer 3 over 2000 years ago - "All I know is that I know nothing"?
pre-irony: saying what you mean
irony: saying the opposite of what you mean in a funny voice
post-irony: saying what you mean in a funny voice
meta-irony: not knowing what you mean
wait a second, post-irony does imply irony but speaking the sincerity to level up the irony right?
This is literally the simplest and best explanation
@@Tiger8566 deadass
One thing I feel intuitively is that generally the ego is "afraid" of layer 0, and that both layer 1 and layer 2 serve to distance the ego as much as possible from the pain and potential ego destruction of trying to deal directly with sincere reality. In the way that the previous generations replied sarcastically to not make themselves emotionally vulnerable, I see a similarity to how layer 2 allows an ironic portrayal of the sarcastic response which in and of itself is an ironic layer to sincerity. Both layers allow for the individuals sincere self-perception to not be easily challenged.
Ah, the final form of irony: manic schizophrenia!
Underrated comment
Oh my god this needs far more likes
@@charleswesthoff5954 284 likes c'mon
LMFAO
What about IRONIC Schizophrenia?
Layer 8: cocytus
Just yelling "unironicaly tho" before committing a federal crime
So this is what they call surreal irony
"This, but unironically" **assassinates the president**
Oh I am already at Layer 8. GrEaT
1:03 HOLY FUCK THE WALL CHAIR. HE REALLY HAS BEEN LIVING IN "THE APARTMENT" FOR THAT LONG
The problem with layers of irony is that most people don't even understand one layer of irony.
Big Chungus
Irony: Laughing at the fact big chungus was such an unfunny meme
Post Irony: Laughing at the fact big chungus was such an unfunny meme so much, you start finding it funny unironically
Meta Irony: Laughing at the fact big chungus was such an unfunny meme so much, you don't know if you find it funny unironically
I think Im at Meta Irony
I'm at post-meta-irony
Good example. Can also be said about the egg and the pidgin memes.
Post-Meta Irony: Laughing at your own laughter because you unironically laughed at something that was originally ironically funny, and the fact that you would laugh at something so stupid is funnier than the original thing.
@@KingArthur39 Laff @ unfunni
If Jreg has taught me anything, it's that we should be calling this anarcho-satire.
Post anarcho satire with trans humanist tendencies
Agree
@@antuanyammine1537 anarcho-agree
aGrEe
@@tuanocallaghan5089 AnArChO-aGrEe
level 0: sincerity
level 1: making a joke
level 2: straight up lying for "laughs"
level 3: or is it?
>sees Jreg overlapping himself to absurdity
>goes to subtitles to see if anyone has decyphered his ramblings in a feeble attempt to understand it
>Átkok, megint meghiúsítva
"I´m gonna do this unironically"
Not gonna lie, they hade us in the first half.
Yeah, it goes down south most visibly after the 11.30 mark
Did he unironically do this video ironically
Fuck it, we deserve this win.
Aczually not. Actually this whole thing was unironic. The ending is not ironc, as irony and several layers of irony are confusing. He shows that by being very confusing. That is coherence. No irony.
@@mylordandsaviour4786 see, I can't actually reliably say if you're being sincere right now. And to add some more fun, you like hell won't be able to tell if my lack of understanding is ironic or not
Shit, I love 2020 already
“This is just dialectics for edgy teens.”
This is my new go-to response.
Same
Sort of a broken clock response tho. No?
Y E S
dialectics ^^
ronically a highly useful concept which has served me well in my quotidien for the past couple years
t r i a n g l e
i do have hair
amen
A better example of post-irony: Literally any George Saunders story.
Layer 0: Working class guy trying to support himself and/or family
Layer 1: It turns out his job is some hilariously demeaning job (male stripper in a WWII aerial combat-themed club, playing a caveman in a live diorama, etc) and we begin to feel we are above the character
Layer 2: The reader is forced to recognize the dignity-less protagonist's struggle as sincere and we ultimately empathize with their attempts to cling to hope in an obviously hopeless situation.
As a millennial 9th grade English teacher, "Oh shit, this is just dialectics for edgy teens!" is the greatest quote I've heard. I've been trying to understand where my students were coming from, and this is amazing.
I love Jreg as a legitimate philosopher.
And I mean it.
Like,,, I actually mean it.
Sincerely.
Every time I clarify, it sounds like I'm being ironic.
help.
We forsook God and now nobody trusts what we say to each other.
Hm, I don't know if I really believe you
Nice meta-ironic post
*vsauce music*
or do you‽
That's because you used the word "legitimate".
The fact this whole video is inherently meta-ironic is unironically brilliant
its actually multi-ironic, in that he uses multiple different layers of irony at the same time. as he said somewhere in there, he always uses at least three layers of irony in his work.
@Odysseas G you said it right. He definitely says "Hey" after his name.
@@pussinboots838 you fool, you've been trapped on the first layer of irony
@@Realturboterrapin You fool you've been trapped in the second layer of irony
@Odysseas G and now we are all trapped in meta irony. Great
The thing about these kinds of extreme irony humour, the ability to make them and understand them is not one learned through understanding these concepts, you don't "get" modern humour by watching this video, you just obtain the ability to tap into this humour either by being there for the slow satirification of the internet, or being thrown in the deep end like the younger newer members of the internet
Hi JrEg, I'm a big fan of your videos. I'm interested in how this concept applies to bluffing. There are three layers that are well understood to poker players (although good players will also say that bluffing is generally overstated amongst good players, but that isn't relevant to my point):
Level 0: There exists a sincere response, something that you may wish to hide from your opponents. You may think "Wow, this is a good hand" or "Wow, this is an awful hand". Can sometimes be given away by an unconscious "tell".
Layer 1: A bluff, a way of acting or behaving that covers your sincere response. Either through mannerisms, betting patterns, an invented tell, etc. Perhaps looking nervous and downbeat when you have a good hand.
Layer 2: An overstating of your sincere response based on a mutual understanding of how the bluff works. So, appearing to bluff but actually stating your sincere response, albeit in a subtly over-exaggerated fashion. For example, looking nervous and downbeat when you have a bad hand, but in a way that the opponent may suspect is a little too obvious and so cause them to suspect a bluff.
This is when I considered a final layer, which is often mastered surprisingly by beginners, but can also be employed by decent players. The beginner option is 4a, the (as I call it) cognizant option is 4b:
Layer 4a: Having no understanding of the rules of poker, and thereby giving nothing away to your opponents.
Layer 4b: Relaxing your brain so as to have no understanding whatsoever as to whether or not you are bluffing (I actually can link to a video example of where I have seen this applied, if you care for it [it is outside the context of poker]). By having no idea as to your own intentions, by bluffing and being sincere simultaneously, you make it difficult for your opponent to deduce anything. It is like how the madman in game theory can sometimes be in a state of bargaining advantage; or, at the very least, your opponent believing you to be a madman puts you at an advantage.
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
This is intriguing
Wow Jreg wasn’t ironic for longer than 10 seconds. That’s the rarest thing I’ve ever seen and I live with the entire political compass.
No you just didn't notice the layer of irony
faissialoo he was unironically explaining irony for atleast 11 seconds
@@witchlane2799 Yes but while the statement was unironic in isolation it was in an ironic context
Ironically the video explaining irony was ironic
@@witchlane2799 Explaining irony on a channel heavily relying on irony.
He could save others, but not himself.
There exists a third layer: surreal irony
The underlying argument is completely abandoned and the whole joke begins to be steeped in its complete absurdity
Then you could go to a post-surreal irony where the surreal absurdity is satirized and you take the nonsensical messages of the work at face value and act as if they are legitimate
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You forgot Superirony:
A man marrying another man? Whats next, a man marrying his dog?
Irony: Im anti-gay marriage
Post-Irony: Im pro-martial bestiality
Superirony: This is a shitpost
Surreal Irony: No Patrick, marriage is not an instrument.
That's meta-irony.
As i see it, meta-irony may also seem a reflection of the use of irony, or stepping into ad-absurdum.
Examples would be deep fried memes and memes like "E" that are self-referential respectively.
Are Post-irony and Meta-irony the same things then?
So, shitpost?
“This is just dialectics for edgy teens!” Holy shit that’s too true
No joke, watching this video around when it came out helped me on my still ongoing journey to be less of a dumbfuck and get my life together. It got me to realize a bit more just how little I engage with the things I consume and how muddled their meaning was/is to me, got me to put more value on sincerity.
It seems to me like irony evolves rather than layers itself. For example, if to take a phrase like "it be like that sometimes" to use in opposition to proper grammar or formal language, it would then be marked as ironic. It then evolves to post-irony when one starts uninronically using it because it's the phrase that best fits a given situation. These things evolve in a circular fashion rather than stay stagnant and distinctly layered.
Good point, using a layers analysis is just a way of describing what people might be getting at when they say "four layers of irony" or whatever. Post irony is a lot more like a cycle
@@ecogiko I don't know if you're trying to be sexist, ironically sexist, post ironically sexist, meta ironically sexist or post meta ironically sexist.
@@prierepanda2186 it really do be being like that sometimes it do
Bio Ico my bet is once even the normies come to understand meta-irony people will just call out the BS when they see it. Ever since I learned about meta-irony and post-irony in high school I really got disgusted by irony as a whole and really prefer just saying what I mean.
Which is part of what makes Jreg's content so addicting to me, because his deft navigation of the various layers of satire and sarcasm is like taking drugs again after quitting.
"be like that" is actually a completely legit grammar in english vernacular
Now we know, Jreg is actually pronounced Jalanismorissettereg.
HarpoonLobotomy He thinks we oughta know something.
Schrüsch
Jeregarde vs Jjeczy
Na it's pronounced jeeg
Shrek
So post-irony is being sincere while making fun of the idea of sincerity? like flirting with some one while simultaneously making fun of the whole idea of flirting as a flirting strategy?
Damn, I just realized I used meta-irony to stay closeted during high school.
Every time my idiot friends asked me "Are you gay?", I don't wanna say no bcuz I know I won't come off as sincere. So instead I always answered "Oh yes of course tOtaLly" just to confuse them and make them shut up and stop trying to out me 😩
That's post-irony though, right?
In conlusion, Jreg was a centrist who radicalized himself
He was a centrist who post-ironically radicalized himself to become an anti-centrist, and now he is an anarcho-nazbol with libertarian characteristics.
@@shadow_of_thoth I aGrEe
This is a doctoral thesis.
Slow down there Dirk
It’s new, whatever this is, we don’t have a word for it.
And it’s not even any of that “post modernist” whatever-the-fuck-that-means stuff.
It escapes definition, but that’s it’s goal is it not?
Satire.
You articulate yourself very well, dude. Rare quality. And are witty as well, as you continue to clearly explain yourself. This video is genius. Big cheers and congrats.
This is the first video that I’ve ever seen from you and the final 3 mins instantly made me sub
Calling stuff cringy is becoming cringy to me so I started using it ironically and by doing this, I have encountered some interesting paradoxes and feedback loops.
pretty cringe ngl
Same. but for me it’s the N word
Bruh calling out Cringe is pretty Cringe in itself.
Just let people live thier lives dammit.
@@papyrustheroyalguardsmen3446 bruh calling out calling out cringe as cringe is cringe. Just let people live their lives
@@tann_man Ah yes the Post-Meta Ironic Stage of Humor.
Such a drag.
Basically:
Layer 2 - Well no but actually yes
Layer 1 - No
Layer 0 - Yes
@Fluffynator Well, yes.
Layer 3: smokes crack ironically
Layer 3 is telling the truth but too much information and is also kind of lying
meta irony: "Nah just playin'... unless?"
@@coalgolem4697 I laughed
The fact that you made this video makes my sociologist/anthropologist brain really fuckin happy because I've seen the evolution of memes since the beginning and it is amazing to be able to explain/learn about why
This video taught me I don’t need a therapist. I just need to have my mental illness on camera. Thank you
“I won’t explain it ironically”
I do not believe you. I don’t believe you at all.
he meant that ironically
Buster McMuffin meta
@@fencserx9423 *post modern meta irony
I post-ironically "like" your channel and I sincerely hope that you succeed meta ironically but actually not sarcasticaly
what
Idubbbs really just used this exact video for his definition of irony
Man I’m so sad this video didn’t pop up in my feed 11 months ago!
This reminds me of a time my friends and I did LSD and we kept making jokes and seeding them in jokes that came before. One way to look at it is that we continued to add layers of irony, but in reality, the layers only repeated themselves. But it's not like I actually did LSD with my friends or whatever.
We called that the joke and it was like passing around a linguistic ball of Shirts and giggles
Repetition legitimizes
@@LitCast repition legitimizes
reption legit
ice
My favourite act of Post-Irony was my friend eating Mountain Dew and Dorritos for the meme, then they started playing WoW and just kept eating Dorrito's and Mountain dew every day unironically.
Rai Pogonowski so could you say that post-irony is anytime when someone does something ironically, but then eventually starts doing it “unironically” and therefore post-ironically?
Mason Hunn it can be intentional, too. I feel like a lot of people are using it as a device to connect emotionally. For example...
Layer 0, sincerity: “I feel horrible life is meaningless”
Layer 1, sarcasm/irony: “YeAh HaViNg A gReAt FuCkInG yEaR”
Layer 2, post-irony: “tfw you have clinical depression lmao 😂👌🏼🔥“
Like when I started saying bruh ironically, then stopped doing it ironically... Bruh.
same
my meta-irony- "i'm not suicidal. its not like I wanna die every morning and find a will to live every night simply because I'm simultaneously traumatized, inspired and unsure." This was one cohearant idea but the first part was partially true and partially false depending on the day but also because even though I ruminate on suicide, I'm not sure I would actually do it, and I usually stop myself before I try, even though sometimes I really want to. A lot of mornings I do want to die, so that was kinda post ironic, but it wasn't exactly true or the only thing I feel, same with the night comment. The words from "simultaneously" on were completely sincere.
love how idubbbz ripped this
Sincerity: Making fun of people who say "lit"
Irony: Saying "lit" because its dumb and cringy
Post irony: Starts saying "lit" out of habit
Meta irony: When someone else says "lit", you say its cringe
Vianka Reyes Saying cringe is cringe bro
@@anguishingquark keep in mind this example takes place in a time when people said lit
Vianka Reyes Î R O N y
@@anguishingquark F u c k
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Im litteraly so pleased someone is finaly talked about this, It's so prevelent and noone is talking about it and i feel like even most smart internet ppl dont understand that
If you dissect smth it dies. Doesn’t matter if it’s a frog or joke. And Pin Point the irony we use in memes or edgy jokes is pretty dame hard. I mean even jreg could do a whole vid without using irony. If we are completely honest you could write an PhD essay about this and even then we might be confused.
@@morpheus2615 thankfully he didn't manadge to completely dissect it and he transitioned into metapostmetairony at the end
Wersium well we learned a bit and got a good joke out of it. I call it total win
@@morpheus2615 Me too
@@morpheus2615 Sounds much like South Park's "I learned something today" wrap-up trope
Post irony can be used as a coping mechanism for saying things you actually mean but make you feel (emotionally) vulnerable.
A good way for reaching the second layer is being oddly specific. Like:
eating babies slowly baked with barbecue sauce is disgusting, illegal and inmoral.
I must say this was quite the informative video, but you missed the key concept of irony known as: "Schrödinger's meme".
See, if a boomer posts something very unfunny, for instance, a minion meme, it has 0 layers of irony. However, if a dank meme page were to post the same minion meme, it would have anywhere from 2-4 layers of irony.
Now, here is the conundrum. If you encounter a minion meme in a vacuum, and have no way to know what its origin is, you cannot know whether it was posted ironically or unironically. If it was posted by a boomer on facebook, it is unironic. If it was posted by a HIP COOL EDGY gen z meme page, it is very ironic. So until the source is known, it is both ironic and unironic.
Is it both or simply undeterminable, where the superposition of all possible irony levels is purely an imaginary concept that can be used to augment our perception of reality.
That's why the "text" has to provide context. I.e. the meme itself must convey at least a meta ironic tone. The irony has to be coded in. The most common example I can think of is the "deep fried meme". It can be a boomer meme verbatim but the jpeg degradation is a commentary on the normie boomer meme itself. Or maybe that's just regular degular irony. I don't fricken know. I'm very confused
@@mistersydster except those cases where the boomer meme became gen z meme, like the grill man saying “I just want to grill”, the text and the image are the same, in a vacuum you have no idea, you just have to guess
Literally all mêmes have this property. That's the whole schtick of mêmes. Depending on who posts it, where, it can be ironic/funny etc.
@@staliniumprojectile wsh la zone oklm frro ?
I’m starting to think this channel may just be a documentary of how confusing the world is for young people currently
They are pulled in a million different directions, everything is both a joke and extremely serious at the same time, everyone is bad and good, every world view is both uncomfortable and extreme, and we are exposed to enough information to find anything convincing.
Jreg is a expression of the times and I think that in itself is of value to people.
As a zoomer i confirm.
Bingo
cool irony bro
@@foldedx2 cool irony bro
@@thruel4651 cool irony bro
that was one of the best endings to an informational educational video on SO many levels, and to still find that the content within is just as good! thank you!!
Jreg your meta irony is so incredibly strong that I can’t tell if laughing at your jokes makes me a horrible person or not
This might actually be Jreg at his most sincere.
Oh the irony
I don’t trust it. Giorgio Yakatura has ruined all trust I ever might have had in anything Jreg says.
I feel like the entire video is just him hinting that he’s unironically a centrist. 10:59 is the most telling bit
@@Ppman and the irony here is that he’s hinting at being a centrist in order to disguise that he is in fact an anti-centrist. We could keep going in circles forever.
Considering the fact that he literally shoots the audience in the end I don’t think I trust him at face value
Its very important to point out he ate the cereal with a fork. That is all.
the four prongs on the fork represent the four corners of a political compass. a spoon is round like a horseshoe, representing horseshoe theory. only centrists use spoons
@@mossmeow no dumbass, hes trying to be funny "you dont eat cereal with a fork!" While at the same time knowing his audience well enough that he knows they'll do an over analysis, thus epicly owning us
*_where are the knives..._*
@@overtoast1105 Perhaps he holds the spoon in between the bowl and his hand to show the meta-irony surrounding the irony of his using a fork. He's showing us that he knows a spoon is the proper instrument, but chooses to fork it down his gullet.
Wait, maybe that's just one layer of irony? Unless he actually... believes the fork is the correct tool and this is his way of using post-irony to come out of his shell?
Also it looked like he had a chair taped to the wall
The evolution of irony shows the evolution of intelligence and our ability to deduce things, but it may also limit or muddy our ability to actually see the truth.
It’s also a destruction of confidence. You can hide behind irony like a mask and only take it off whenever you know you’ll get the answer you want, and that hurts people because it means everyone’s lying all the time and truth is impossible to determine.
Holy shit, how did I miss this for over year? This is amazing.
Level 0 (honesty): 2013 doge meme
Level 1 (irony): Ironic mid 2019 doge meme joking about how dead doge is
Level 2 (post-irony): Modern late 2019, completely unironic doge memes (e.g. doge comic-esque story memes, cheems, etc.)
True transcendence is understanding that memes are dead only when people are no longer speading them. And even when they're dead, they can be revived.
cheems?
this comment helped the entire meaning of the video click thank u
Meta irony: Soviet Union memes
where do deep fried doge memes come into this?
Irony: making fun of someone else's political opinions
post-irony: making fun of your own political opinions
meta-irony: making fun of multiple opposing political opinions simultaneously
meta-irony is just my default at this point
end-result: A never ending shitstorm of confusion, never having a consistent holistic worldview to organize around and your civilizations downfall.
@@NukeCloudstalker ok boomer
@@nathanielwindsor7679 I-I was being meta-ironic.
@@NukeCloudstalker and I was being post-meta-ironic by ironically making fun of meta-irony
i love the comments sections on his videos too
bc they've all watched his vids and have access to This Information
EVERYONE is self-aware
truly echoing the spirit of the channel
Really well-explained, and the bit at 12:50 where you mentioned edgy teens and the post-irony being a way to hide their actual current worldview is something that makes so much sense and puts into words what I never could before.
Like, if I'm talking to someone and I think they're racist, and i ask them and they say 'yeah I'm racist.' I might think, oh they're being sarcastic because no-one would really be sincere about that if they were, and they must know racism is so obviously bad so that's why they're making fun of the question. and then it flips it on me because, why would i ask that?
Then, they go and do racist stuff and still hide behind a layer of irony as if 'extending' a bit of them being racist. When in reality, they're just self-aware (?) that they're racist and it's bad, but are being sincere (and by saying outright that they're racist they are also aware that it makes the situation seem ridiculous and detracts from the fact that they're a bad person, leading some people to think it's a joke). I hope I got that right.
Yeah hit the nail on the head
I've always referred to the internet as the 'largest and clearest mirror ever held up to the human race'. Post, meta, and every other kind of irony is the hall of mirrors effect taken to literal insane proportions.
_I was born in the darkness_
_you merely adopted it_
well greg you tend to "occasionally" talk about politics a lot....
but alright
Tbh this was just him flexing on how he's actually operating above Sam Hyde and Million Dollar Extreme, _and we were ALL waiting for this_
isn't his name anthony
You clearly missed the entire point of this video and honestly the whole channel lol.
Hear that sound? It's the joke flying over your head
@@billhicks8 Jreg has never shot through a crowd in self-defense, though.
@@Zorro9129
I find that very hard to believe
Rewatching this video, you basically predicted your entire political career in this video. I'm in awe
Can we appreciate the work and thought that goes into JrEg's content? This video was brilliant, educational, and a great way of explaining current humor (i don't wanna mention terms cause I might be wrong lol). Thanks JrEg for making this video keep up the great work (this is a layer 0 comment).
I believe in the irony horseshoe theory. The last layer of irony is when you always speak objective truths about everything without exception.
I didn't want to like this comment because it had 69 likes. So i left a comment instead.
@@CoryFPS I have felt compelled to reply to this other reply, because I intended to call you out for making a reply I consider overused, but in the process I realized doing so is also overused, making the situation a mess of irony layers, and that's when I realized you had planned this the whole time, to send me into a downwards spiral of insanity as I stumble over countless layers of truth and lie. Alas, my only option is to applaud your inmense wit and creativity, being able to cause someone to make a short essay, with only 18 words and the click of one fateful button. Reply.
@@pablopereyra7126 The truth has set you free, for now. Greater illusions are afoot and hindsight is an after thought. Have fun-de-mentals look into Terrence McKenna. Happy New Year
*nervously sweats in Kantian philosophy*
@@TheJackOfAllTrades777 9/11 was a national tragedy.
Jreg throws a d20 to decide how many layers of irony he wants in his videos
Then he adds his wacky modifier of +5
- introduces himself as "Jijej" here - a kind of a pun to Zizek if you combine his name with Jreg in some way
- puts subtitles in Hungarian as option
I just wanna say this is the first video I've ever seen of yours and it is a fucking wild ride.
Same !
Fun fact, the end of the video, while seemingly completely random, is completely post-ironic. It could be taken as him just eating a bowl of cereal, but the way its filmed makes it seem intentional and planned, making it seem ironic, yet maybe he was actually just eating a bowl of cereal unironically, but just trying to hide that fact with a layer of irony, implying he also doesn't quite know if he's doing it ironically or unironically. This takes you through pre-irony, irony, post-irony, and meta-irony.
Essentially if you couldn't follow anything else in the video, the end essentially sums it all up
I like the part where he shot us in the face
ok but like why would he even ironically eat cereal with a fork
@@ggsknox Everyone knows you're supposed to eat cereal with a knife.
Ironic, since his point was to make all of that uncertain…another layer of irony. The gift that keeps on giving
@@DarkAngelEU I thought it was supposed to be with a hand?
12:58 he did it right there
Layer zero: “Teachers and the academic world is too old fashioned and it doesn’t understand how young people behave and use irony”
Layer one: “Your English teacher is a normie!” (when he uses the therm he wants to pass as some random dude on the internet and argues that your teacher would know better them him on the subject, therefore, a normie in his view)
Layer two: He starts to develop the ironic persona to the point that he Post-Ironic’s it and now he is speaking what he really believes in Layer Zero
Jreg, you are a genius of your art, please write a book about it, the academic world needs a new view in Irony and the internet
@very sl4vic sl4v sentence*
People use meta irony to not have to carry the burden of meaning what they say. Usually because in this day and age anything you say (mostly online) gets 'documented' more and weighs heavier
by far my favourite video so far
ever
"how many layers of irony are u in?"
"yes"
i just smoked another fat hit of dat ir0ny boss; surfeit of slaves
That was pretty meta ironic of you. Ladies and Gentlemen we got him.
"no" *stares directly at sun while crying*
@@alacastersoi8265 crying because you're a failure and no one really likes or supports you, knowing well that when you die everyone will occasionally forget that you were there in the first place and everything you did and suffered was in vain, but only ironically
"Irony has only emergency use. Carried over time, it is the voice of the trapped who have come to enjoy their cage" -Lewis Hyde
Sammy Kroner Wow
I'm only ironically enjoying my cage.
"All the world's a cage; we are but the players."
-Abraham Lincoln
I'd say that perfectly describes jregs channel
So is the cage the overton window, that has still kept a part of Jreg trapped.
Wow. This is art. I was going to make a criticism of it, but that was before I completed it and saw the ending. I love this so much! I was going to argue that there is a purpose to meta-modernism and meta-irony beyond what you described but I realized that you already know it. Thank you for this gem!
Your quick 5 second description of post-postmodernism basically just made ALL of this click like that and I just get it now.
I guess I really just needed to hear that my English teacher is a normie.
As for memes, I think I'll just stick with absurdism and keep my irony layer at a maximum of 1.5
1.5 is super low tho my guy, keep a cool 2 min to make sure you're secured from falling below the normie line
@@PirateOfPlayTime I'd prefer to still be capable of sincere communication and still know what it is I'm even trying to say.
@@LeBonkJordan being sincere in most situations, bro? not going to lie to you. that is kinda cringe.
PirateOfPlayTime this guy gets it
@@PirateOfPlayTime
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when my friend hates religion and gets into reading tarot cards as a joke but is actually a gifted reader because of early childhood abuse at the hands of the anti-tarot church and because he's an aquarius
Asshole
@@johnjohnson3681 This comment section is shit. The video makes people aware of irony and makes me read every comment through that lens. Actually, I really enjoy that. It's not shit, it's gold.
@@ThisIsTheBestAnime lol ok
"The anti-tarot church"
I am currently picturing a religion whose sole purpose is to destroy tarot, thanks for the laugh.
Btw I’m on full earnest post-irony in this comment. I’m Straddling the duality of meaning this fully and also not meaning everything that I mean.
that fluctuating volume and confusion at the end was terrifying