We need to talk about irony.
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- čas přidán 5. 02. 2022
- This is about what I understand about the progression here:
-Academic culture understanding of post-irony as any kind of "higher irony" (this was big in russian meme communities for a while and probably before this something something david foster wallace)
-The Philosopher's Meme (using terms like meta-ironic and post-ironic to describe trends in memes, as well as codifying post-ironic and meta-ironic as higher "layers" of irony)
-My video (mainly just codifying meta-irony as a form of ambiguous irony, I did not change anything about post-irony other than differentiating it from meta-irony and clarifying post-irony as a "return to sincerity" based on a wikipedia page which doesn't even say what I remember it saying 2 years ago l o l)
-Other videos / articles expanding on the layering system
-Idubbbz vid (circle theory)
Probably missing some info but this isn't a history that's been formally recorded anywhere so let me know if you can fill in the blanks
I use the word "coin" in this video wrong, what I meant to say was in the original video I specifically defined meta-irony as the kind of ambigous irony that idubbbz is talking about in his vid. I did not invent the words post-irony & meta-irony or ironic layering. I did however invent irony.
THE IRONYSPHERE
The Philosophers Meme (my forefathers): thephilosophersmeme.com/
(one of the founders is playing with irony on linkedin here: / seongyher )
I am working on an article with The Philsopher's Meme about this.
Olisunvia (well-done and humble analysis of zoomer culture through ironic lens): • what makes gen z humor...
Timmy M (great examples throughout channel): • Aesop didn't know abou...
Idubbbz doco: • Getting Away With It
Origin video: • Post-Irony, Meta-Irony...
I never want to make another reaction video again
/ jreg
/ mc_swm
/ jreg - Komedie
Great stuff, and thanks a lot for the shout-out! I have a feeling the most difficult part for most people is that what has now “stuck” as Meta-Irony (ambiguous irony that means nothing) is identical to what Wikipedia has in its woeful entry for “Post-Irony” (ambiguous irony that means nothing, as defined in E Unibus Pluram by David Foster Wallace).
Perhaps if there’s a term that needs changed, Internet “Post-Irony” (the return to sincerity, NOT actually ambiguous at all in Internet-talk) would be most valuable to clarify.
That's interesting. Older people placed what we call meta-irony right after irony, meaning they only used 2 layers(sincerety&irony). But we are able to communicate while navigating and differenciating between 3 layers (adding post-irony). By following the trend, maybe future generations will be acute enough socially to use 4 or more layers and meta-irony will keep moving back.
very unique take good sir. interesting
This is a very complicated matter as they are all language techniques which means how they are perceived are fluid in nature and often misunderstood as another because it is difficult to understand concepts that do not have set in stone proofs or explanations but rather it relies on observing how it's being used and understanding what these terms mean in hindsight in fact I could suspect many people unknowingly using these expanded layers of irony without realizing it's a completely different form of irony so when it's explained towards "normies" who do not know such terms exist it is at increased difficulty understanding that such a thing could even exist in fact it's even hard for me to explaining it properly as there aren't many real world analogies which stems from the fact that irony gets more abstract and confusing the more you deconstruct it maybe at the end of they day we should all just pretend nothing ever happened and live our daily lives not knowing that post irony or meta or hyper or post post meta hyper post irony exists as a matter of fact ignorance is bliss and maybe bliss is for the better
@@kinkmyboot3563 Respectfully, my concern is that there are layers, and there are _also_ dimensions. Therefore, I think it misses something to say that meta-irony described another layer after post-irony or after post-postirony. Also, JrEg and iDubbbz seem to have different ideas about what is "post-irony."
In mathematical terms, an "irony" is a kind of multiplication by negative one (x -1) in terms of primary meaning (while also contributing to the subtext). "We should help the poor," is pre-ironic. "We should just kill off the poor," is ironic. "In some sense, we already 'kill off the poor,' and I see no reason to make any sudden changes to that," is post-ironic _in JrEg's sense_ of the term. OTOH, "we should help the poor... to continue on their path to self-destruction, I mean," is post-ironic in iDubbbz sense of the term.
The idea that meta-irony is similar to - or even a substitute term for - post-irony (or post-postirony) seems inconsistent with how the "meta-" prefix is used in other contexts. Linguistically-speaking, meta-irony should mean something like, "ironically ironic." I think this means something like, "irony which is the opposite of what would otherwise be expected (of irony)." Therefore, _any_ level of irony (irony, post-irony, post-postirony, etc) can be meta-ironic, because meta-irony is not a layer, but instead a dimension.
Of course, I say this with all due meta-irony.
@@MarcillaSmith so meta irony like when a kid is learning how to be sarcastic but he just says what he means sarcastically. thats meta-irony because there's not really a context where the kid "ought" to be ironic? right? RIGHT??
We have reached the intellectual singularity:
the spoutings of deranged youtubers are becoming academic canon, deconstructed and revised no longer by decorated scholars in books but by fellow deranged youtubers in 20 minute videos
the age of schizophilosophy
lol
The ability to maintain presence in reality while simultaneously holding all the split realities of existence in your head seems like it could be kind of useful in avoiding a multitude of dystopias.... Schizophilosophy ftw
I think online longform content is really starting to evolve. This is a great time. These dueling documentaries were one of the best things I've ever seen on CZcams.
Schizosophy for short
I've actually read a great paper about this: "Transdisciplinarity: Synthesis towards a modular approach" (Renn, 2021)
Behold! The only thing jreg is dead serious about: the obfuscation of sincerity.
and the fact that he is a socdem
OR IS HEEE
How ironic
@@bingbing2925 is he? who knows
@@bingbing2925 He's actually a nazi doing his best to make the world a worse place in his point of view because fuck everything including the attitude of fucking everything.
For anyone struggling:
- A firetruck fighting a fire is sincere.
- A firetruck on fire is ironic.
- A firetruck putting out the firetruck on fire is post-ironic.
- And a picture of that situation, labelled firefighting is meta ironic.
Finally, an example that doesn’t use verbal irony!
Perhaps the post-ironic firetruck lit the fire before putting it out.
@@ikelom yeah, think that probably works too, but I feel like the ambiguity of a picture labeled firefighting goes further to express the lack of clear intention. As in it simply points and says this exists, without clear motive.
@@nebky I agree. My comment was about post-irony, not meta-irony, though
@@ikelom oh yeah sorry, misread.
i remember watching this the day before i was admitted into a psych ward and i remember this because i wrote down ‘meta irony’ in my journal! thank you jreg for the great content
Were there any hot moms there?
yoo i was also watching jreg the day before i got admitted to a psych ward
The fact that I laughed at "I am social democrat", really proves that ironic humor needs a context to build on.
If we assume that he is trying to come of as serious in this video (which we have no reason to believe he's not, he typically has some sort of minor giveaway that he's being ironic), then i feel like at this point is pretty safe that it's highly likely that jreg is actually a social democrat. But this is jreg we're talking about after all, so he might still be under some layers of irony, who knows
Been watching for a long time and im 99% sure he was being serious.
i fucking cackled
he probably is a social democrat, saying that sam hyde is alt right
@@toastybread_ch did he say that?
My God, I hate words and definitions.
return to monke
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@@rollercoasterintogiantdomo return to *nothing.*
Remember, Language is an alien virus from a meteorite, it is not natural for humans to communicate through words
@@happyconsoomerino5530 this. This is meta-truth.
Damn it it always comes back to Sam Hyde, he can’t keep getting away with this
okay but picture this:
a bunch of different forms of irony, ALL LIVING TOGETHER IN ONE HOUSE
“I infused it with ageism, and I don’t regret that.” Based
Damn is that meta irony?
@@derpatron476 Ageism is the root of all irony, and thus exists at the most unironic base level possible. It has an irony level of -1.
ageism sounds like yet another Marxist term
@@derpatron476 meta irony is saying "a" without any further explanation just because you can
Huge
Why do you sound like me giving my undergrad students feedback in this..... "I am so happy that you are interacting with the irony model! .....however, I think is important to point out where you are making slight leaps and making assumptions.... but overall great job!"
@You have to know is this the new rickroll?
Edit: no just spam.
@@dmarsub no, just botting
No, just Jreg being a good teacher
Exactly what I was thinking. Going off of this alone he would make a great teacher
"me giving my undergrad students feedback" lol
Ian explaining to his audience what irony is but not being able to figure out that Sam was fucking with him the entire time is the greatest irony of all.
It's almost like he filmed and edited that bit long after his trip to Sam. Crazy concept.
I think it's pretty clear he understood and probably even expected that, but kind of got outplayed/lost control of the narrative
It's like his explanation was an explanation 🤔
@@johnk6757 considering how he didn't restructure his doc, he legitimately got duped and only tried to get him back post production
@@Wapnep he's talking about during the trip not after it. It was pretty obvious to anyone that knows an iota of anything about Sam, like surface level knowledge, that Sam was messing with him.
What's baffling to me is how he basically says that Sam is a pathological liar and a manipulator, and that all his friends are blind cultists. All that based on the fact that he personally could not wrap his head around the obvious fact that Sam was messing with him.
Sam was messing with him because he knew the point of the documentaries is to expose how the people in them truly think, and in a truly ironic way he did expose how Sam thinks.
He could have said sams humor is just irony, absurdism, pranks plus mild surrealism. But instead he tried to make it a bad thing when it really wasn't.
"giraffe crane" is a parody of the form & intent of preexisting memes as they exist in the world.
"E" is a parody of the very concept of a meme as it exists in the viewer's mind.
Don’t get it
I almost got it.
Thank you for explaining the E one I've never gotten that one
The craziest part about this is the fact that I didn't even *know* you came up with ironic tiers. You sounded so sure of yourself in your original video that I thought you were presenting to the audience pre-established definitions of what irony is.
Update: I wasn't crazy. These terms have been floating around for a pretty long time. Jreg may have changed some bits around but he surely didn't coin it necessarily, I don't know why he said he did although he did popularize it.
If you do something with enough confidence people will simply accept it
@You have to know making fun of religious people won't make you popular dude
Quite ironic isn’t it
It's because he didn't. You can find "diagrams" posted on The Philosopher's meme, etc. years before Jreg showed up which are exactly the same, using the same definitions, etc. Jrg probably moved some things around which is a legit contribution but he is really full of shit about his importance to this discourse (even I made a post using the concepts of "post-irony" and "meta-irony'", back in 2018, and these terms had been well-established on fb and even 4chan during this time it's not like I invented anything).
@@rushinigiri ah so I wasn't crazy
Very interesting. I think the punchline here is Sam Hyde will keep getting away with it.
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!!!
"The World Trade Renegade" won't be stopped
how can true masters of situational self-defense zen be stopped?
Reeeeeee
@Vermouth r/ipoomypantsmaybe
We need to talk about Jreg. In the autumn 2018 I coined the term "Jerg" meaning what it means today. However it went loose and gained self-awareness and now started his own CZcams channel cataloguing his/qems descend into madness. And now I have to step up, as an original creator of Jreq, to explain certain things about it which people might misunderstand.
Jreg's former editor here. When Jreg says "maybe I'll just let my kid go to school" at 27:30 he's actually not being ironic. He's referencing his irl 5 year old son who he STILL HASN'T TOLD ANYONE ABOUT. This guy is so drenched in irony that this is the first time he's mentioned the fact that he has REPRODUCED (He's got a daughter coming too, gf is 7 months pregnant. Congratulations btw!)
Kid reveal at 500k no balls
Why doxx him lmao?
C’mon, the dox was clearly ironic
@@wickerhazbrownsauce8564 Because doxing is totally sick, dude!!!! Btw his name isn't even Greg Guevara. It's Samuel Hyde
@@NickolasCruiser He can't keep getting away with this
Why tell everyone about that if he has chosen to keep it private?
People forget one thing: neo-sincerity. Most common with memes, where a meme goes through it's cringe (overstayed sincerity) stage, ironic stage, it's post ironic stage, and instead of progressing to meta-irony, it returns to a real sincerity on the level of the original humor. Example: Harambe memes. It first was sincere, then became cringe because it's sincere use was overused, then ironic, then you had people memeing ironically about it with subtext mirroring the original sincerity, then back to now where on occasion you will see Harambe memes of their original humor. But it's not TRUE sincerity, because it's still tainted by it's transformation through the other layers, but it reflects neo-sincerity, because unlike meta-irony, it's clear that the humor is derived through the real material, and not meta referential or reliant on subtext. In other words, it could have existed in the original period of sincerity without feeling out of place, whereas post-irony relies too heavily on the subtextual, and meta-irony to heavy on the meta referential, and both would be noticeably strange in the original period.
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i have an ex who was obsessed with neo sincerity and also into jreg omg. it just sounded like post irony for happy people tbh
@@pedro0o0 case and point
OMG who did this????? 😲😲😲
He wrapped himself in the greenscreen, although that’s typically the opposite use of a greenscreen. How ironic!
Sigma male irony
@@thomassiggaardandersen6759 Sanguine meager ironclad
you speak like a boomer but with the knowledge that you're here I can deduce you're feigning boomerness to signal on a deeper level the metamessage that gen z can mimic boomers but not vice versa but to sieve via code in a place where the select few of broader culture are actually the majority you re-subvert the subversion bringing us once again full circle and turning the eye of criticism inward to the subject of the meme per se not the object showing us that while we are still on the postmodern level of meaning only through interpretation mediated by subjective consciousness you have transcended to a postpostmodernist level of analysiS.....
it's post greenscreen content
It’s like he made a sleeping-bag out of idubbbbbbz neck & sweatshirt 😴 💤 adorble
To be fair, I think Ian was just making a simplified explanation of irony solely for expressing the difficulty of interacting with Sam and thus took liberties with the presentation he made by cutting out the fluff that really didn't need to be included to get the point across.
That’s the same feeling I got. It fits the tone of the documentary very well considering the subject is Sam Hyde, especially given the plot twist Sam Hyde pulls off.
I enjoy the narrative of the documentary and think that imposing a narrative on a documentary is a natural consequence on making a narrative.
Yep, I agree. Considering his old edgy content had a lot of meta irony, surely he understands.
I think that was painfully obvious and feel bad for anyone who lacks the inference skills to catch that.
I disagree. I was scratching my head when watching the documentary, wondering why Ian was confused. Sam Hyde isn't all that difficult to understand imo. Sure, maybe some galaxy brains on the internet get bogged down trying to analyze the joke, but often times - especially in the documentary - the joke is obvious. Sam himself makes reference to this with his "baby sammie seewious" joke, when Idubbzzzzzzzz asks him to, "for the audience" clarify when he's being serious and when he's joking. It's almost like, "I just tell the jokes, I don't explain them." It's one of those old rules of comedy, "the joke becomes less funny when you have to explain it." I'm really not sure why people think Sam Hyde is some sort of cryptic enigma who is beyond comprehension. The great Irony of Ian's explanation of irony is that he is the one who is shielding Sam Hyde's comedy by adding an unnecessary layer of confusion on top of jokes for which Sam has never, and will never say "it was just a joke bro."
@@Raya-ir4tm it's been confirmed Ian knew Sam was doing all that shit, spending all that money and prepping his crew for the doc. He was only setting it up that way to capture it for someone who isn't familiar with either of their work. It's a good/successful route to take that many "documentarians" have gone
i can feel your excitement and cant wait to see how the concepts evolve and where it will lead us. i think in the future these videos will be looked at as building blocks for whatever is to come next.
I would love a deeper dive into the ironic meaning of raw, un-bagged meat in the refrigerator
It's ironic because the point of life is to have bagged cooked meat outside of the fridge, beef jerky to be specific
you
So you got e-coli from the meat, right? But it's IrOnIc e-coli so while you joke about it when you feel nauseous, your sickness is not really from e-coli or bacterial origins at all.
It's actually a form of BSE.
higher bioavailability than, say other sources of irony, like spinach
It’s a strong stance on the AnarchoMicrobiome. All microorganisms deserve an equal opportunity to inhabit your body, free from the executive meddling of your higher brain functions. We don’t need closed borders in this skin suit, give us your tired, your poor, your huddled viral masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming flesh. Send these, the homeless, sneeze-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the refrigerator door! Every cell is a state unto itself, every strand of RNA a sovereign! Love knows no borders, so let us reproduce freely on the fertile valleys of your lungs and the rich rivers of your circulatory system! That our descendants may know what it is like to live in a body free of the tyranny of life! That we may together build a corpse worth living in!
I'll enjoy seeing "academic jreg" where he says stuff like "you need to cite sources" and "we need to be careful/humble about our claims" more in the future canon of jreg characters
Thank you so much for inventing irony, I use it everyday
On a technical level, this is a genious way of reacting to a video without the algorithm being able to detect it.
"Quantum irony" would be a good term because the idea of two (or more!?) possible wave functions collapsing into one when more information is revealed is a fundamental part of quantum physics.
Underrated comment
Aight, i agree. However, might that confuse with the idea that irony is quantumisable, that there are vey set levels of irony with no gradient.. I guess, by Jreg's original explanation vid, is kinda true. But then again....
I am confuse
Superposition Irony
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@@jezusbloodie that's an interesting question, whether levels of irony are a gradient or set levels like Dr. Jreg has said.
Btw, quantized means distinct seperate levels (quantized energy packets are the different waves that overlap to make a wavefunction e.g. Total Energy=Energy Level 1 + Energy Level 2+...etc...).
Wow Jreg, you just released this one minute ago but I totally agree with your takes on irony. So important in todays society!
Agreed!
A representation of my beliefs in the comment section by someone else
I agree entirely and exclusively
I think you mean "You just released this one minute ago, but I _totally_ agree with your "takes on irony." *SOOO* important in today's _society_
Very true. Nobody should take anything at face value like the generations before. There are layers to the things people say and do. In a world of restricted speech you can't just SAY certain things anymore.
You'd have to peel back a few layers to get to the actual message. Very useful tool and telling of the times we live in
I legit just found the first video like a week ago and i couldn’t even tell it was 2 years old, cant wait to see what you talk about in this one
Thank you for making this! The Irony dissection part of idubbbz’ video immediately made me think of your content so I’m glad to see your reaction
We’re so deep in irony that Jreg can say he’s a social democrat and we don’t know if it’s real or not. And that scares me
there was that one hidden video where he said he was an egoist
@@TheMinipasila yes but it was extremely unconvincing
@@ihaverabies17 but doesn't that make it ironically convincing
@@ihaverabies17 yes but it was convincingly unconvincingly convincing
He called Sam Hyde a political extremist. Wtf do you think?
Idubbz is a centrist of meme-culture and as such advocates for the horseshoe theory of irony
ain't nothing centrist about idubbz position in meme culture
@@DiXtionRap externally he can be labelled as such based on current exhibited behaviour.
And Idubbz embodies the tweet: "People always be like "what 0 pussy does to a mf" but I've see what pussy does to a mf and it's much worse"
@@ekksoku except he's very much on the edgy side
@@DiXtionRap not as of late, I havent been keeping up with idubbz for a while but each year he seems further away from his filthy frank and maxmoefoe days. Tbh I think thats most of where the static with sam came from. If you look at him in the human cake era of videos he seems like he would fit right in there with some of the whacky content sam is known for.
You wouldnt expect someone who ate a cake made of actual human waste to act so out of place with bizarre sam hyde shenanigans
Brave of you to make this video knowing that it might put Sam Hyde in a self defence situation.
This video shows iDubbz analysis/smear of Sam was so shit, I think this video justifies Sam being in a self-defense with iDubbz.
Samuel Hayden?
Just started watching you a few weeks ago and I've been a fan of edupes for years, it's cool to see how some of your philosophies have penetrated internet culture
I think the circle would have made more sense if he had put meta-irony in the middle, because it's definitely not the same as sincerity but you also might not know on which exact spot it would go in how far it the said thing deviates from the actual meaning or if it actually is just said to fuck with you and has no meaning at all.
I think its important to put the short explainer into the context of the video, hes using meta-irony as reason for why he finds Sam Hyde difficult, and in doing that basically accuses him of using meta-irony as a shield for sincerity. He kind of implies there are other uses but doesnt go into them, but *he thinks* they dont apply to Hydes case. Its not meant to be a comprehensive definition, more of a side note to explain concepts he uses for this specific situation.
Although the circle model is good, that would’ve been a better way of explaining it. It’s both on a different plane within or without of the irony and it can have layers. The circle implies it comes back around, when even iDubbbz placed meta irony on top of square one, “Irony.” Maybe he meant it as it’s replacing basic irony
I remember when this was pinned
RIP to your pin
What if instead of a circle we have a spiral? The meta irony can hover over sincerity and from one angle look like sincerity but from another angle you can see a clear detachment between the two.
Everyone knows Jreg for his irony but when the curtain is pulled back and we see the intellectualism that his comedy originates from, I appreciate it a lot.
Naht
The worst part about this video is that I can no longer believe this isn't irony. I can't even take him seriously anymore. I don't mind things going over my head, tho. It's still entertaining.
"you need to have a high IQ to understand jreg"
@tt JGsjYzuts5fHfJjkFsYYIfJGKsya, neither of you got the joke
@@TheLazyEconomist Lmfao same, There is so many levels of irony and fake irony I just cant
I want to talk about this bit: “By employing meta irony, you’re basically saying “look at this thing, it exits” but that’s really all you’re saying.” I think I disagree. Because there IS meaning to be found, it’s just that the meaning isn’t derived from the thing you’re mentioning. The meaning is derived from the act of mentioning itself. The why/how/when/who/what of mentioning the thing.
The meaning lies in the POV of the thing.
I believe this style of irony has been generated as our collective attempt to GENUINELY connect across the wasteland of media we are all irrevocably and irretrievably ENTRENCHED in.
Language is (and always has been) a tool to communicate. But to be able to communicate we have to be living in the same world, with similar parameters and points of reference. If two people are in a field next to a tree, language lets them discuss the size of the tree (that they collectively see with their eyes). If they cut down the tree and carry it, they might grunt or say “ahh shit!” to communicate that it is heavy. At this basic level language is a tool to solidify the COLLECTIVENESS of the SHARED EXPERIENCE of our 5 senses.
The next level of language is to communicate our feelings and thoughts. It engages our IMAGINATION and EMPATHY (the two hallmarks of humanity in my opinion, could be wrong, don’t quote me.) We use metaphors, irony, images, idioms. We employ verbal tactics to get what we want - we lie, manipulate, or imply meaning. We conceptualise. We proclaim, we worship, we project our inner psychology onto others, we blame, we try to make others understand how we feel. For consistency let’s stay with the tree anecdote for a level 2 communication example. Something like “that tree is beautiful, it makes me nostalgic for my childhood. We had one like that in my backyard.” We turn our personal experiences into shared experiences. This level of language extends to the esoteric and absurd but no matter how far you go the jumping off point is still something tangible in the other person’s consciousness (the tree). In short, you’re still talking about THE THING ITSELF. (You also don’t have to physically be near each other for this communication to happen, of course. You could be describing a palm tree you saw 3 months ago over the phone to someone who’s never seen a palm tree.)
These two levels of language have served us very well up until this point. The problem is, we don’t live like that anymore. We don’t spend most of our time DOING things. We don’t even spend most of our time FEELING things. We spend most of our time PERCEIVING things.
Our inner worlds - our biases and worldview - have become manifest. They make up a bigger majority of who we really are than what we do or say because we spend most of our time with that inner filtering system constantly (CONSTANTLY 24/7!!!) engaged. The average person spends way more waking time engaged in some form of media than they do simply being present, doing “nothing”, or thinking. (Which is an anomaly compared to the rest of human history.)
So anyway, for this new style of human who perceives instead of doing anything tangible… let’s go back to our tree. I’d say an example of this level 3 communication style (let’s name it “Pointless Screaming”) is two people on the internet who’ve never seen/touched that tree (and who truthfully don’t really care THAT much about said tree) getting into an impassioned two-week-long twitter feud about whether it should be cut down. If you’ve ever had the displeasure of seeing two people with opposing views get angry on twitter, you KNOW they’re not really talking about the tree. They’re talking about themselves and what they believe and who they are.
That’s an obnoxious example but I truly think these days we are all living double/triple/quadruple/exponential lives. We’re all spilt at least 2 ways all the time. Thinking about 100 different things.
And we all feel so LONELLYYYYY because we haven’t figured out how to communicate all those parts of us. The parts of our identities that are found simply in WHAT WE CHOOSE TO LOOK AT. No-one’s seeing that part of us, that big big part of us. Sure, we had media before. But it was a much more SHARED experience. We watched the same shows. Now everyone’s living completely different inner lives that they’ve taken on the task of cultivating. And for so many, all those little choices about what to watch and engage with have slowly become who they are. We have so many different flavours of extremism now. The loneliness and privacy of “going down the rabbit-hole” is what makes it so potent (they’ve been studying this among rehabilitated conspiracy theorists.)
I think meta irony is an early attempt to see the world through others’ eyes. To transmute their browsing experience into our consciousness in an attempt to understand their inner world better, perhaps?
Maybe our PERCEPTION of media (and the world) is the language we speak.
And maybe that’s why we’re fostering such a roundabout way to communicate our sincere thoughts. It’s mimicking the piecemeal way we 1) communicate with ourselves and 2) understand data now. Fragments of thoughts from 1000s of different places all at the same time. That’s why a popular subcategory of meta-ironic memes is combining a set-up from one joke and a punchline from a completely different unrelated joke with no extra context. That’s what I’ve concluded anyway. Don’t know if I explained that well, sorry! Just my thoughts!
Fire comment. Didn't even read it all yet but I just have to say this is some deep, advanced shit. Congratulations and thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I just finished reading this comment and I gotta say, this may be just the best, most thought provoking, useful youtube comment I remember reading. Thank you very much for sharing this.
Fucking great comment.
This is what comments were designed for. If only everyone used them like this. Great job describing the meaning of meta irony.
Amazing comment, packed with really complex ideas. It's making me think about a lot of things!!
My question: would it make sense to say that abstract thinking also belongs in the third category of thinking you are describing? Many areas of philosophy/ other conceptual disciplines discuss ideas which are not grounded in things in the world (metaphysics, epistemology, philosophy of religion, logic, etc etc, and maybe some kinds of math fit here as well). I have definitely sat through debates in Philosophy classes that could be described as 'pointless screaming'. Is the thing that makes this screaming seem 'pointless' to you the fact that it seems like the parties involved in the conversation are not really conversing at all, but are merely talking at each other without listening? Because I think there are also conversations about abstract ideas that are better, maybe 'screaming with a point'. Although perhaps that only is able to happen when people ground their ideas in examples drawn from the first two levels of thinking you describe...
I would also disagree that we spend time merely 'perceiving' things and not feeling things, because I think when we perceive things we also feel things (we identify things as the things that they are by linking them with things we have perceived previously which collate into categories of things sorted under a linguistic label, and I think that we form affective associations pretty easily to all of the previous things we think of to identify a thing) (unless your argument is that the volume of things we perceive desensitizes us to all of it?)
I think it's pretty remarkable that the things we 'perceive' on the internet are all audio and or visual input (visual most of the time). So we are still engaging with sensory material, but the overwhelming majority of that sensory material engages only two senses. You can watch seven different shows in one day and see and hear many different things, as well as be exposed to a ton of different ideas, while tasting, smelling, and touching only one set of things. Is this what you mean when you say we 'perceive' things but do not 'feel' things?
And finally, could you expand on why you think meta-irony is an attempt to see the world through others' eyes? That is a really interesting idea but I don't quite think I'm fully understanding it. Does it have something to do with the way that, through irony, we are able to perform ideas/opinions/personas we do not actually believe, and in this way explore what it might be like to say those things/perform belief in those things? I am still trying to get a grip on meta-irony (although maybe part of it being the thing that it is is that it is grip-less).
Again, thanks for this really interesting comment!!
This video sincerely gives me hope. I'm not just hopeful for discussions around irony, but also for Greg. I feel like his best art is still ahead bid him and I can't wait to see what he makes next. We're rooting for you, man.
i think a good way of describing things like the Markiplier E meme is essentially people regurgitating a blend internet culture they are bombarded with nonstop, basically giving up trying to put order in something so volatile and weird, just letting memes collapse in on themselves. Imo it worked as a way to refresh people's perception of memes and internet culture in general while also permanently fusing memes with weirder and more esoteric forms of irony.
Jesus Christ I need to go outside
Absurdism is the only reasonable response to the insanity of the world.
@@jonathan2847 love this reply
@You have to know why you and many other people are sending these links of muslim singing?
Just take your computer outside its simple really
So, may e we can call it Neo-dadaism?
So back to what he said, metairony is actually quantum irony. When you are given additional information, also known as an entangled cue vector, you can decompose meta irony in to either post-irony or irony. This forms a state called qubit irony. Any further layers of irony are just qubits using more and higher order entangled cue vectors, and form complex qubit irony, which we refer to as complex irony. I have already made a cryptocurrency which used complex qubit irony in place of elliptical curves.
I need to buy before it moons whats the ticker
Cryptocurrency? Is it like people having a monetary like place in the social hierarcy and with their ironic statements it changes by an undetermined amount until one of the possible outcomes is determined by the dominant reaction in the community analagous to the way blockchain works?
Other species would have to invent quantum theory to understand Gen-z humor
Irony layers are Turing complete. JrEg can run Doom.
The ultimate rectification of post-punk irony in the globetrotting sphere of society is fundamentally existent. In order to obfuscate such lambasted gall, hierarchal needs are to be triplicated at a consistent rate, but not without considering umbilical rebellion as a catalyst for circumstantial circumcision. It's just common sense.
I loved your point regarding post irony in the end. When I was depressed 6 years ago I used to find post ironical memes about suicide, nihilism and different mental disorder very funny and they often hit the nail. It's like I could see the absurdity of the darker side of things and while appreciating it as the form of art also relate to somebody on a personal level after having similar thoughts or experience. I cannot imagine any form of discussion that would make me a better happy person today.
It's a dark place but its dark for a reason. It was meant to be this way.
Doest it make sense? English isn't my first language sorry :)
This is one of the first videos I've been able to watch at full attention. This channel is ingenious. I wonder if this is the next phase of education?
Jreg has literally embodied the idea of " Sources: I made it up".
It was revealed to me in a dream
Idubbz really should have picked up on the ridiculousness of the situation that first day in the office. I didn't know Sam and I could tell the whole thing was a spoof.
I really enjoyed seeing all of the different forms irony of JrEg acted out for us in this video, but I think my favorite was the way he showed us what true post-ironic meta-sincerity looks like!
I would say the example of Sam Hydes humour is itself layered. "my race is done, you're inheriting the earth" is indeed post-ironic however "along with some other undesirables" would be meta ironic and he tells you that with his voice and the look at the camera. This rapid switching from post to meta ironic is what makes his comedy appealing to so many people and frustrating and horrifying to others and he can't keep getting away with it.
Interesting. The codification of his look at the camera is something actually mentioned by Idubbz. What is really interesting to me is how that codification is established. Without any direct context it is up to the interpreter to signify what he is switching from and also to. One viewer can see it as a turn to absolute absurdism and therefore meta-ironic while another can see it as a turn from irony towards post ironic, as in he is being ironic saying the white race is done and he is being post ironic in saying they are undesirables. This is the kind of shroud meta-irony affords you. In the same breath you can dogwhistle to some and just be ironic to others. The even more interesting part is that without contextualizing your opinions even if you don't mean to you are still doing it. Which is why i find it so interesting in how in the Idubbbz video Sam seems to stress how he doesn't care what other people think of what his comedy is.
there's something about his eyes.... hypnotic!
@@denglish5275 You're absolutely right my friend I could very well be projecting when I see what I see. I too give that same look when I say something offensive to someone easily offended both to the them as well as those around me who know me well enough to know I'm joking. However despite what idubbz says Sam has a ridiculous amount of content online and enough of it is seemingly sincere so as to generally gauge his political views and at least make educated guesses as to what is or isn't the various forms of irony he uses. As you point out however we're all just guessing and only he knows what he's trying to communicate at any given moment.
Also sort of as a reply to both previous comments another tepid assertion I would make is Sam possibly having anti social personality disorder ("sociopath"). I had a friend with diagnosed ASPD who had incredibly similar energy for lack of a better word. Similar ways of thinking, similar way of holding themselves, similar humour and as previously mentioned very similar eyes. Very charismatic individuals both in their own way. Both would also stress the importance of not caring about the opinions of others incessantly. Just my thoughts and I wouldn't ever know for sure unless I got to spend enough time with him which will likely never happen.
@@goldenhog 600 or 6 million, either way it's bad!
Dude i am literally writing a research paper on irony RIGHT NOW your timing is amazing
Imagine citing Jreg with links to both this and his previous videos lol
@@deutschamerikaner jreg research
@@thelmainoah Jresearch
Jregsearch
Dont forget to accuse your Prof of being a normie
When meta-irony says "this exists, isn't that interesting", it can also imply that the existence of that thing subverts some narrative and, that that relationship to a narrative is for the consumer to extrapolate due to the (politically) contentious nature of talking directly about the topic. In this sense it's a political tool that gatekeeps (political) awareness & action from those able to understand the implied relationship.
For example, that "E" meme could be a criticism of the fact that memes are essentially becoming meaningless, therefore any reaction or meaning seen in it is simply a runaway cultural processes that has no bearing on reality; calling out those who genuinely identify with those memes as meaningful as people who have no cultural awareness. If you think that's too "out there", then you are the exact kind of person that using meta-irony is meant to exclude.
thank you
What a ride, had to watch the iDubbbz video first to get context myself, and watching that back to back with this makes me feel all kinds of things.
"I could write 5 books" I would read the shit out of jreg's irony theory
The fact that what was originally a shitpost has been turned into sincerity is probably some form of Negative Irony.
so just rony
@@atropa6053 or coppery
i^2rony
that is actually post-irony according to the original video. post-irony is the return to sincerity from irony.
@@TwentySeventhLetter he doggone done brought math into irony analysis
I think Micheal Scott from The Office is a great Meta-ironic character. We never know if he is being sincere in his ridiculous remarks, so he floats between irony, post-irony and meta-irony and we have but to wonder if he is a genius playing us or the dumbest man alive.
JrEg talks a lot about
- knowing the ironic person's sincere position on the topic of discussion
- and whether or not that person knows their own position
at the same time. I think that these are two very different things and that we can't combine them together when defining post-irony, meta-irony and other terms.
Great Job JrEg, you really showed those lower ironies who's boss
yea those newbies don't even know how to blur the thin line that separates lies from reality
This channel is wild. Roped everyone in with "funni haha tribalism meme" and then dunked us all into a cold bath of psychological horror and uncomfortable self-analysis. With catchy tunes all the way. Well done, JrEg, if that is your real name. You've broken everyone and then yourself.
You came for Anprim?
No, he was broken long before us. He's just dragging us along into his fractured psyche that reflects our horrific reality.
is his dad shreggs
This is why I've appreciated Greg's turn toward more sincerity. Early Jreg felt very "Meta-irony" uncomfortable.
loved ur hell utopia vid btw, made me feel warm and suffering
The only time JrEg is being sincere is when he's talking about irony
If you believe that then JrEg is really good at meta-irony
He's meta sincere
Ironic
I'm a millennial and what is this
*"i'M a MiLlEnIeL"*
Yea sure you are. 🙄
@@theodorebear6714 that's actually really interesting
are you mocking the concept of meta irony meta ironically?
I think people just need to go tell irony to fuck off
Boomer
Meta-irony can be used just to get a reaction out of people with the "message" embedded in it being pure happenstance. Devolving meta-irony into sincerity or irony by providing additional context in later input can be further used to guide the audience into reacting in a more desirable way. So the goal is not even necessarily to communicate any idea but to implore the sensibilities of the public and examine it with the joke being just a tool to prod them with.
i really like you jreg and how you went a little insane at the end. irony is crazy and so are you.
I am surprisingly accepting with this presentation of reaction type content, as it is styled like a fever dream. Somehow destorting the reality of the video makes the reaction to it more genuine, as if engaging more with the metaphysical properties, the idea, rather than the digital file of the video.
It also perfectly fits into my Gen Z Meta-Narrative of absurdity and weirdness, and there is nothing more satisfying than confirmation.
Oh thank God, I thought my phone was dying
The whole circle model kinda makes sense. For example, I had friends that were really into Pokémon as kids. I was the only one of us four that did not play the games or watch the show. In high school, they showed an interest in and played Pokémon under the guise of “this is a joke”, when in actuality, they sincerely enjoyed the games and we doing it for the nostalgia and enjoyment, not the irony. There was a sort of humor in the juxtaposition between audiences; Pokémon is a “childish” thing that is not expected to be popular with high-school age kids. So yes, Pokémon was sincerely a source of enjoyment. The irony is that high-schoolers don’t enjoy it but are playing it anyway for a joke. However, the reality was that they enjoyed playing it and used irony to avoid me poking fun at them. Of course, the irony only worked because I knew this; to anyone else, it was a childish and nerdy hobby.
I find this a lot nowadays. Specifically with hobbies, people feel too embarrassed or ashamed to share what they are interested if it is something unusual, so they enjoy it under the pretense of irony. It is not so bad, but a character like Sam Hyde really unnerves me. On one hand, I am fully aware the intent is to use irony to troll, but it almost seems to be the only mechanism from with he can communicate, which is a bit disillusioning.
And then the absurdity of irony being used to usurp irony exists. Then, all meaning gets entirely lost in translation and the “intended audience” becomes so specific that the entire point of irony almost seems to go out the window.
We truly do live in a society.
thats pretty ironic ngl
he like me fr
This sounds more like post-irony. Meta-irony means the author doesn't quite know where they stand. Post-irony can appear like Meta-irony without context.
Omg same really makes you think 😲😲😲
So true bestie
Wow I actually hate this well structured thoughtful video. I definitely wouldn’t watch it again or recommend it to anyone.
Great video. Really, genuinely, I totaly enjoyed it.
post irony and meta irony have made life hell, i just want to be sincere again
Who are you? David Foster Wallace?
Wow dude me too yes I LOOOVE sincerity!!!!! 🥵🥵💖
nobody is stopping you, nerd
@@methyod society 🤡
(an example of meta irony being necessary in day to day life. If I simply said "society" without the clown emoji, I would be ridiculed, but framing it as if I'm making fun of losers with Joker complexes allows me to express my sincere thoughts through a veil)
@@danksubstance3246 🤡🤡🤡
I think that you're both using the wrong models and the right models. It's a spiral. Sincerity is at a point on the circle, and how many layers down you go dictates how many sub versions you're doing
a layered circle is a spiral... genius.
I'm more of a Jacob's ladder kind of guy
I had this exact thought. A spiral, but also the revolutions of the spiral intersect each other, over and over into infinity. Basically it's a sphere, eventually.
i would personally think of it more as a sine wave
It’s more like a spiral, with sincerity buried in the center, and then incremental subversions that let you gain insight into what you thought was an absolute dichotomy, but is actually a spectrum. To break out of a dichotomy, you have understand what a spectrum is, and so by revealing things incrementally, by making you empathize with multiple views as if you hold them yourself, you are left with a full view of an otherwise multifaceted issue, because you can sift through the thinking errors within both ends of a contentious issue, as well as your own biases, and come out with a nuanced, and confident stance that you embrace more because it is true to your place within that spectrum, without being scared of sliding into one extreme or the other and being deceived , which is the goal of straightforward, malicious propaganda using post-irony, like Sam Hyde was in that one clip. So you can effectively train your brain to avoid deception, but that means that your own thinking errors and ego are more resistant to change, and so media has to work harder to get you to see yourself in the work, so that you take the message away effectively, because despite all the jokes we tell each other, things have to get serious sometimes, and you can’t avoid serious problems when your attitude and outlook on life makes it to where you constantly make people upset and angry at you for the shit that you say and do.
Perfect example: BoJack Horseman is a delusional narcissistic coward, who can’t accept the fact that he has hurt so many people, and yet many people can find some aspect of him to like, because you peel back layers of not just the story as he tells it, but how he ACTUALLY perceived the world. People are lumped into in groups and out groups based on arbitrary animal symbolism,including himself because he still ultimately identifies with what it means to be a horse : stubborn, violent, strong, while also easy to tame and control, but that you also have to work with to get the best results. But then you have multiple perspectives in the form of other self-identified animals like Princess Carolyn, a cat born from North Carolina peasantry, but who was told all her life that they came from old world nobility. She uses her skills in motivating and convincing people for her own gain, until she realizes that she’s just playing to the needs of others and not her own wishes for independence and stability. The she gets those things, and realizes that she is STILL being used by people like Turtletaub to keep the status quo, and cynically channeling woke/feminist talking points makes her realize that she could be doing more to actually extols those values and support real change, rather than give into the way things are on a societal level in the fucked-up world of BoJack. Meanwhile, Diane goes in an opposite direction from her, starting as a determined, opinionated woman who champions every social cause, only to realize that she is neglecting her own personal happiness, which is essential for actually dealing with problems both in your own life and in the greater world, because if you spend all of your time fighting windmills, you’ll be tired and confused and blindsided by the actual giants.
TL;DR meta irony could potentially make a psychopath realize just how fucking insane and delusional they’re being, because the way to break you out of hard- fought mental habits is to basically have them upended with viewpoints and scenarios that you couldn’t imagine, and the only way to get you to engage with those messages is to see yourself in them, and then see where going along with that mindset, the closer you’re going to get to self destruction.
Another amazing piece of ironic masterpiece from the great irony master Zhrejh.
I really appreciate the self awareness and analysis, it's easy to forget that we aren't the only generation to suffer from these existential questions. The context changes, but the core question hasn't.
Haven't finished the vid, but just wanted to put that out there.
Can irony be mapped onto horseshoe theory? Pure sincerity and extreme irony both seem to almost track back to sincerity
It seems to me, meta-irony does often indeed make a sincere point, it's just unclear to an arbitrary observer and not necessarily related to the "subject" within the ironic statement.
Hear me out, its an irony corkscrew, which can be viewed as both layers and rings
Yes
Looped corkscrew
Normal people: noooo, he is jocking right?
Extremist people: dude, he is right. POG. Let's do it.
I liked how you made sure you were humble when you talked about irony. :)
This is one of the worst examples of video editing I've ever seen. Great job - I love it!
Yeah it's absolutely brilliant bravo
👏👏
Sam Hyde is definitely an interesting figure. Idubbbz mentions in his video how he looks into the camera in a form of codification of his irony level for those that are "in on the joke". What is really interesting to me is how that codification is established. Without any direct context it is up to the interpreter to signify what he is switching from and also to. One viewer can see it as a turn to absolute absurdism and therefore meta-ironic while another can see it as a turn from irony towards post ironic, as in he is being ironic saying the white race is done and he is being post ironic in saying they are undesirables. This is the kind of shroud meta-irony affords you. In the same breath you can dogwhistle to some and just be ironic to others. The even more interesting part is that without contextualizing your opinions even if you don't mean to you are still doing it. Which is why i find it so interesting in how in the Idubbbz video Sam seems to stress how he doesn't care what other people think of what his comedy is
I think that's exactly what is really important here, it doesn't really matter if what Sam is doing is something he believes in or not, what does matter is what people make of and get from his comedy, what are the consequences of it.
Comedy informs beliefs, and beliefs inform actions.
@@bobby2782 MDE and its consequences
@@bobby2782 But what are the consequences? Racists might laugh at the face value/surface level while others 'in the know' laugh at the idea of people only getting the surface level. The only people mad are anti-racist surface level viewers or people who just disagree with the use of irony in the context. To say Sam is racist is incredibly difficult with the only evidence people use as a donation to a right wing reporter's legal case. Which is seems ironic because he was the only person on the fund to put a name. At the end of the day peak irony is that trying to dig to the deepest ironic level is fruitless and meaningless because even if I say "This is 100% my true opinion on this matter." You could still believe I'm trying to be ironic, so embrace the absurdism and reject defining super-meta-post-omega-irony.
After carefully examining your thoughts and arguments, I have arrived to a singular question: How does he keep getting away with it?
@@oldpersonalaccount Sam Hyde "close ties with neo-nazis and alt-righters" Can you remind me, does he party with Nick Feuntes or something? Has he advocated for violence against a group of people? Pewdiepie paying the fivr guys to make a "Death to the Jews" sign is he a white supremacist anti Semitic bad guy or did he do it ironicly? Or is he hiding behind irony as a shield? Oh its only ironic if you like the guy, but if you don't like him then it's serious and bad man say bad thing because bad.
This video is too genuine, so now I don't know how ironic this video is.
I love analysis of meme culture. I first got into it after reading The Philosopher’s Meme’s article on “haha, long boy” in 2016.
I had a Facebook page with a few friends that grew into this really small, niche absurdist humor community with some other pages that all told encompassed about 40,000 people (our page had 10k at peak) and I’m still not sure where it stands in the scope of irony. It was, in my opinion, the most incredible exposition of neo-dada poetry I’ve ever seen. Sometimes I think that I’m just in too deep, stuck in SMF’s mythical big boy zone
"And I think that's very bad because I am a social democrat"
Wow Jreg, great way to illustrate meta-irony in the middle of your video, to help us understand the concept!
no thats not meta surely
its post, a return to sincerity.
Saw on ValueSelect's stream yesterday that you two are having a collab. Looking forward to it Mr. Eg!
Haven't seen that profile pic in a while
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Having Jreeg n Sam Hyde collab would be a dream. I don't even know how it would turn out at this point
I feel like I learned something, thanks for making this man 🙏
My feeling was idubbz created his irony circle in order to penetrate Hyde because he failed to do so until he made up rules that allowed him to invalidate Hyde.
Agree. He knows Sam probably thinks some fucked up shit, but he stays behind the veil of meta irony, and there’s no reference to the sincere, so you can’t pin him.
No, IDubbbz was spot on with Sam Hyde’s use of irony to spread his (most likely) sincere beliefs. Sam Hyde donated $5,000 to the founder of a neo-nazi website. Whether or not Sam Hyde believes he is actually a nazi is irrelevant, because he made direct actions to assist and support self proclaimed and devout nazis.
More like he made an observation on the rhetorical strategy Hyde uses to get away with acting the way he does while still having fans falling over themselves to explain away or just talk over any other interpretation with inane memes.
@@thedankhold8443 because people don't take Hyde seriously. He's for amusement or an alternative jester like view of the world. They would follow him for the "lulz".
I remember discussing meta irony on 4chan back in like 2008, so I think saying you coined it is a little bold. You did bring it on a large platform for discussion a d understanding tho which I appreciate
He might be meta-ironic while saying that, but idk. He was definitely being meta(or just post)-ironic when calling himself a socdem. Even if he is one.
From the description: "I use the word "coin" in this video wrong, what I meant to say was in the original video I specifically defined meta-irony as the kind of ambigous irony that idubbbz is talking about in his vid. I did not invent the words post-irony & meta-irony or ironic layering." (could have been edited after your comment tho)
At any rate I agree that it's weird how shiggy diggy style humour is presented as a zoomer thing.
ok i was about to comment something like this because these terms have been around for way before this guy and i spent half the video (as a new viewer) thinkin 'who tf does this guy think he is to say he invented meta-irony', but i'll admit i did not read the description
Well that explains it then, I thought he was just fucking around like always.
@@peterkerj7357 Well, he did say at the end half of the video that he created the terms because he liked how they sounded, implying he had never heard of them before and thought he was in fact making them up.
Post Irony as a term has been around forever and I personally remember it being mentioned all the time in regard to the "Adult Swim"/"Tim & Eric" brand of humor, where there is no joke or punchline, and the is the joke in itself.
When I saw Idubz talking about different types of irony I instantly thought about your explanation Greg so thank you for being an informative source of artistic ideas
24:49 that was the moment when the monkey had an epiphany while on green bananas. Great vid! Marvelous visual representation. Love your detachment 🙏
I toooooooootally enjoyed the sincere tone of this video
“We need to talk about irony”
*video is 27 minutes long
I wonder which unique and wacky direction Jreg will go in today!
Sincerity.
Honestly I'm starting to think Jreg is gonna be remembered as a semi-influential philosopher in the furture.
@@hyphns8649 *international (gotcha) (busted)
It’s cute that you think you coined the terms
Sounds like some forms of meta irony could be called “conditional irony”. Where you say something, and then decide whether or not you were being ironic (ironic, post ironic, or meta ironic) or sincere.
See also: lying
@@creepyjesus1471 lmao also: changing your views depending on who you're with because you're a pssy
Irony discussion always makes me think of a middle school friend. He always wore the baggy hot topic bondage pants, goth esque. Then eventually he dipped his toe into skinny jeans but it was just an ironic heh isn’t this funny to wear approach. I’m just doing this as a joke Ayy. After half a year he fully embraced the skinny jeans and sincerely wore them. Many who use irony will follow the idubbz model and revert to sincerity because if you pretend to be something long enough you often start to become that. I think this isn’t always the case but this example has stuck with me for a while and I think it’s a strong personal example of how irony can lead to sincerity.
Edit: originally said goth pants some goth appreciator wants me to call them not goth pants. Please correct me in the comments with your preferred name to help jr eggs irony engagement.
Ye this is a post-ironic process
We are what we pretend to be - Kurt Vonnegut
"Goth" okay, buddy
@@danielmiyahara9089 yeah those kingdom hearts pants that are the first result when you google goth pants.
@@DeathByFoodTruck that isn't what "Goth" for God sake. Please look up the culture movement of 70's UK and the rise of post-punk. People like Siouxsie Sioux, Peter Murphy, Morrissey, Nick Cave, Robert Smith. Hell, even after like Rozz Williams and such. Goth isn't some "weird edgy consumeristic look" it has roots in more traditional Edwardian fashions, make up inspired by Egyptian art and such but the clothes are never that stupid
When I saw your video I was glad to see someone finally talking about the topic, I had come to the same conclusion independently by applying the concepts of the words post and meta as they're applied in exploring artistic tendencies. This might have been a weird zeitgeist moment where many instinctively recognized these trends in meme culture and drew this existing terminology to describe them.
This video is clearly post-post-double meta irony. Very well done JrEg.
My take, people just wanna be apart of their own 'tribe'. Adding layers of irony leaves most people out of the loop and keeps them there until they have been exposed to it for an extended duration. And by being in loop, you are considered a part of the 'tribe'. That's why I think irony is evolving right now.
and the filter usually is when someone doesn’t get enough layers of irony they are excluded or the level of irony falls to match or reach the collectively desired ironic output for those who can get the irony so that others don’t get left out, just a working hypothesis.
Always love the insight you provide on irony! i’d definitely love to hear more about it. I wonder if there’s anything of substance in discussing how these levels of irony interacts with schizotypy since truth and meaning and knowledge can get warped in such a unique manner.
How did you comment this 2 hours ago on a video that came out 15 minutes ago
@@infiniteermoon Because he's part of the illuminati
Jreg brings up Andy Kaufman which I've been thinking a lot about with regards to Sam hyde/idubbz. I honestly don't think irony in any form has anything to do with it. When Andy Kaufman had the infamous 'fight' with Jerry Lawler where no one knew if it was serious or not, it had nothing to do with irony. If you can't tell whether someone is being genuine or not, consider the case that you might be the target of their joke. In Kaufmans case, the joke was being played on the audience/letterman himself. In Sam's case, the joke is being played on Idubbz and people like him. All the better that Sam Hyde is serious to some extent about many of the things he says, just like how Andy probably had a legitimate neck injury to some extent, and the slap Jerry did on the show was a real slap.
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@@JREG nah, seems pretty on point.
@@JREG i am inside your walls
oh so like jr eg’s unironic political ideology video
meta irony example i can think of when walter white says I've got 50,000 in cash to hank czcams.com/video/_Bh69xALpgk/video.html
Damn man ive been following you for years but only now i really fucking get it. Refreshing i think this channel has some of the best and definitely the most experimental comedy ive seen youre fucking sick man
Thank you, Jet Rags, for my irony poisoning! I almost quit this dangerous addiction that turned my life into meta-ironic, sincereless Hell, but now I'm back to the euphoria post irony gives you. You're the best irony dealer in the entire CZcams.
11:05 So, Mr.Egg, E is actually a meta-ironic meme, or at least it was before it's boom. Basically what it was a satirisation of the Post Ironic humour, the "Girrafe crane Bottom text" meme where they are using just one letter to say that nowdays people will laugh at just one letter. And after it got popular it was used post ironicly by reddit to say "Yes we laugh at this". So Idubbz is Right and wrong at the same time.
You know, this is a nice video. And also very interesting. I remember when your first video came out, hard to believe it's been 2 years now. Still, it's always cool to learn about stuff like this, especially since it affects us all nowadays. I hope you make more videos like this in the future! Have a nice day!
Love how you've green screened out your room and replaced it with a better one.
Love the channel man, its nice finding people similar to you online and not feeling like you're the only freak.
Got any merch?
What's funny is that right after Ian's video, I wanted to google more about it, and found your original vid, now I'm getting this recommended.