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Marvel’s What If Season 2 Episode 9, the season finale, brings back Strange Supreme in his villainous plot to feed all multiversal heroes and universe killers to a Forge to bring back Christine Palmer after the events of What If 1x04! Erik Voss explains the deeper meaning of the final scene, and how it sets up Avengers Secret Wars!
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This felt like a mini secret wars event where all the characters fought each other
Captain Peggy had the thickest plot armor while catching them infinity stone with bare hands.
worst character in the mcu to date.
@@teo-dk3ydnah just you
@@teo-dk3yd i second that.
I saw this comment somewhere, but hopefully, in S3, we get a What If Quicksilver lived. I definitely think it would've changed the direction of Wanda's story throughout the MCU to some extent
OoooOh, we NEED this one for sure for sure
i would cry if they made for one of the episodes in S3
Oh it definitely would
Or maybe something like a Silver Witch Adaptation in the series.
My only complaint is Carter being able to withstand a full fist full of infinity stones with no side effects
What are you talking about? Carter punched strange with the fist full of infinity stones, not the other way around.
@@dr.rockso2703 yeah and touching the power stone alone with your bare hand causes most regular beings to violently explode, even the likes of Thanos its visibly very painful.
Because Marvel really can't focus on logic anymore.
Kahhori and Peggy were too op for no reason 😂
These Infinity Stones don't vaporise their users immediately 🤷
The biggest threat to the multiverse is Dr. Strange 💀
Yeah he is
Him and Wanda
It gives us more of a glimpse into why Multiverse of Madness' Illuminati chose to execute him. Can't risk the incursions
Well, I'd call him "Demon Strange" even if he's named "Strange supreme"
@@TheGoldNinja101 He is billed as "Demon Strange" in the credits.
I like that God of Stories Loki is not alone anymore. I wonder if the Watcher and Captain Carter can interact with him. Maybe Captain Carter is the one who will tell the heroes about him and free him in Secret Wars while keeping the Yggdrasil tree alive. I don't know how that works but that would be cool.
If I remember correctly in the MCU he isn't the God of Stories, he's just God Loki.
I'm guessing / it's my head cannon that God of stories loki is the Watchers boss
maybe loki has the power to make a duplicate form of himself
@@alexd8532i dont think the watcher would have a boss
I think the Watcher works for Loki now. It just kinda makes sense.
No actual cameo from god of stories Loki is criminal but the episode was beautiful
I swear😭😭
The writing for this episode was inconsistent af. Threw away Dr strange’s development, the power levels were off, and not to mention the individual episodes didn’t really matter as much as the first season where it actually felt connected episode to episode with a final conclusion
@@danielcancel2901 yeah… for shows like this, they need to go all or nothing with the story. Either have all of them connected, or none of them connected, and don’t have a “come together” moment.
@@danielcancel2901but the whole point was that he didn't escape his obsession whereas our 616 variant just worked thru that exact scenario in a film not long ago lol. We aren't supposed to be satisfied and he isn't supposed to be noble
He's a bit busy giving life to the multiverse. If you recall, the branches (universes) die when he's not holding them. His position pretty much makes it impossible for that Loki to cameo beyond showing the tree Yggdrasil
I love how the corruption of Strange is shown affecting his abilities, the serpents he used in the first season were full, in this season they're skeletal.
im just happy with all these loki things. can't wait to see him (hopefully) in deadpool 3 and thor 5 too
You mean Thor 5, right?
I think Deadpool will focus exclusively on the mutants and leave any other references for the credits scenes
@@RooIosif yep yep
thor 5 you mean ?
Thor 5 , Thor 3 was pre IW
I like that the Watcher keeps Loki company. Maybe he uses his spells to watch his memories and see what's happening in the multiverse
This was a pretty crazy finale. It didn't stick the landing as I'd hoped but I still have a lot of fun with this season. Hopefully S3 will pull out all the stops and go nuts.
If this is what the multiverse saga and secret wars gonna be like, we are in for a really fun ride!
Animation where you just need a voice compared to live action where you need physical actors is 2 COMPLETELY different things
@@DatBoiChris420???? irrelevant to his comment lmao
Wish they did animated and used voice so characters don’t have to die off because actors don’t want to or age out.
I think he's talking about the season's writing @@DatBoiChris420
@@liamfrrno it's not? It's relevant as they are never going to go as balls-out in live action as they do in animation. Unless this saga lasts 10+ years like the Infinity Saga, animation is going to carry the multiverse saga.
The possibilities for a future series are endless from here. I love seeing the tree/ throne at the end of this episode!
*How did Carter wield every stone?*
Peggy is wearing the Infinity Armor, which protects the Stone user from cosmic energy side effects when channeling multiple stones.
That device in Strange Supreme’s magical pit is definitely supposed to look like Kang’s engine
Same
YESSS im so glad i recognised that right
I can't believe you didn't -connect the butterfly to the butterfly effect.
You know, the concept (in popular culture) of a minor change in circumstances causing a large change in outcome... Or a completely different universe in this case.
Pretty obvious! I wonder what they're implying though. Surely something with mutants
The butterfly might also symbolize their co-op as the colors are green, blue, purple.
I really wanted to see Watcher and Captain Carter meet God Loki during the finale
I love the similarity of Strange Supreme this season and Wanda in MoM shares, both corrupted by their own grief (plus all the monsters Strange absorb and the Darkhold influencing Wanda), and them traversing the multiverse to get what they want to fill that void in them. Miguel (from Spider-verse) is showing the same sign as well, or rather its the Spot having the same issue. Get these characters some therapy smh...
That mad no sense to me both of them had redemption arcs just to go back to being villains and dying. That ruining the whole point of the redemption arc
But we saw his story and grief and being content. They recycled him for season 2. All the things they could introduce with the limit being zero, they come up with this weak season 2 or recycled characters
@@emmanuelakande3563 sadly throwing out one's redemption arc is a very grounded approach. Tell me, how many people do you know DIDN'T relapse?
@@Valorhammer it’s not when there isn’t a reason for it they just happen to go back immediately after coming to terms maybe if their was a good excuse but no it’s just because they felt like going back. It makes them untrustworthy and flimsy as characters if they go back to being evil with no one provoking them
The Multiverse of Madness we all hoped for and deserve! Kudos to What If Team for this roller coaster
What about the Gandalf vs. Balrog easter egg!!??? There is a beautiful shot of Peggy fighting demon strange as they fall into the pit and it resembles the fight between gandalf and the balrog as they fall into that mountain pit.
Thought i was the only one thinking of that
I was wondering at first if that was our Hela and Surtur. If they actually survived the destruction of Asgard.
Surtur does seem like the more funnier version Ragnarok
They did seem to recognize each other so maybe
I gotta say it’s nice to see how the NR team takes care of each other! People stepping up for other…honestly makes the channel even better to hear
I think the imagery of the single butterfly is an allusion to the butterfly effect. You know, make one decision to lead you to one path and change that choice to lead to an entirely different path.
Yup, it's represent butterfly effect
I'm preferring What If to most of the Marvel universe. They take risks and are showing us characters with heart and purpose
You r right , What if is the most entertaining thing left in Marvel , hope the god of stories or mischief comes back !
The advantage of non-live action.
Glorious Purpose
Things are easier to showcase in Animation.
Supreme Strange was way too damn powerful. The human inside of him knew exactly who could stop him, he definitely saw billions of outcomes with his time stone and the watcher was impressed.
I wondered two things. 1: how Infinity Ultron can be there but so can killmonger, 2: why the characters falling into the forge can’t just fly out.
How did peggy not die after holding all six infinity stones ?
It should mean that Thanos should've died the moment he got mind stone but no right he was ok until he used all six stones to do snap which was to remove trillions of life on the universe which takes toll on his body
She’s a nexus being
@@tanv2207 but even hulk struggled to hold on to all 6 stones, even before he attempted to snap
because marvel writers desperately wanna make captain off brand the most important and strong character in the multiverse no matter the inconsistencies
@@teo-dk3ydAre you jealous of a cartoon character??????
They showed the Loki Tree at the End.!!!!!!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
That tree had a little Kang sprinkled on top 😂
I like the part where Dr. Strange said "it's Morbin time!" 15:48
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Peggie and Monster Dr. Strange falling down the forge while battling is a copycat of the scene in The Lord of the Rings where Gandalf and the Balrog freefall deep in the mines of Moria as they battle it out.
Honestly, I wasn't a fan of the episode with Strange being the big villain. I was hoping for something a little more interesting. Also disappointed with the lack of tie ins with earlier episodes, but perhaps that would have been too much of a repeat of the first season.
My prediction after seeing the season 1 finale was that the next villain would be a variant character with Kang’s powers. Then, after No Way Home, I had the idea that it could be Green Goblin with Kang’s powers. I still think that could’ve been cool, and maybe we could see that next season
Agreed
Even tho they did strange character and development dirty i was honestly hoping for dr strange to win and be like the main villain of the series instead of captain carter beating him kindof a letdown
Captain Carter didn't beat him tho. Strange fought his demons by himself@@nocomment7787
But what is grief if not love persevering? That is the question
I just love Eric's energy and enthusiasm when it comes to breaking down shows!
I thought the same of that green-purple butterfly, but somehow it doesnt feel like Loki. He obviously cant send snakes though
And it was fantastic to see the Yggdrasil in the end after ignoring Loki for the whole season.
the colors and pattern on the butterfly remains static while it flaps its wings, it kinda reminded me of the looking glass design they normally use for the watcher and his appearances. I also doubt it was Loki but I dunno !!
Strange breaks the rules and is called a tragic hero. Wanda breaks the rules and is called a villain. That doesn't seem fair.
ok Wanda
It's a horrible double standard 😫 😕 😪
lmao
Let's see, trying to recreate an entire universe because of grief and trying to get your imaginary kids from another universe by forcefully kidnapping them from their mother is not the same thing
@@MultiThunder93 yes it is
The fact we’re getting a season 3 **soon** AND a full MCU Marvel Zombies miniseries is very exciting.
I absolutely CANNOT wait for this next season hopefully its during the summer
Ugh I'd love a beach episode. The christmas theme is fun but I fear after this season it would be stale unless they invite mutants to it
@@nailinthefashionwater is a very difficult technique to draw. That is why there was no waterfall in episode 7 at talo entrance.
Erm you have any clue how long animation takes? Next season definitely won't be any time in 2024 my friend, likely late 2025 at that
Now for the real question: does What If take place before or after Loki?
If before, then what was the Watcher’s perspective on the timeline bombing and the loom straight up exploding into the tree?
If after, then did the Watcher ever go directly IN to the tree to see Loki inside?
The issue arises when you perceive time between universes as a straight line. It's less "It happened before" and more "Yes"
The multiverse existed and didnt at the same time
both existed outside of time so time doesn't matter
MCU is currently in 2026 for real world where inside time
Having daily episodes was awesome
The Finale was so so wild and a bit fast paced in my opinion, but I def did enjoyed it! My favorite episode from this season was episode 6, Kahori's origin story, I absolutely loved that one! Overall Marvel knocked it off the park in my opinion. Can't wait for season 3!
The strangest thing about.. Strange's plan was, It's a multiverse, there are an infinite amount of universes, so an "smaller" infinite amount of universe killers, had he just targeted them, he would have been successful based off that alone.
What i did not understand in the episode was, that multiple sets of infinity stones seem to work in the same universe. Which should not work. Only the stones from the same universe work
Fair point, plot hole maybe?
I assume it's a sort of timey wimey "this location is outside the Multiverse" or "contains a portion of all the Universes" sort of thing.
No. That's a rule in the comics alone. It's not a rule in the MCU. People should stop assuming the MCU works exactly like the comics. It's been shown over and over again that the stones work in different universes from as far back as endgame
@@Problemsolver434exactly. Thank you.
MCU just says all stones are different on all universes. Not that they can't work. They only can't work at places like the TVA
The green portal that took HeLa in episode 8 was Supreme Strange I guess
It was the universe collapsing
Damn, Valkyrie Hulk is definitely unexpected here, and the final fight is literally a big bang of a twist! 😮
I got so excited by the ending with Loki's tree showing up. I would LOVE to see a live action Watcher with Loki
at 17:46 Uatu glows with blue and purple tints - which match the colors at the tips of Yggdrasil's branches. Possibly signifying how he (the Watcher) and Loki are now working in tandem - Loki managing the timelines, and Uatu watches them to their "conclusions."
I don’t like how trivial all the powerful objects we’ve come to know appeared as in this episode. it’s like when Loki depicted the Infinity Stones as useless inside the TVA. like they’re paperweights. not just anyone should be able to wield things like Mjolnir, Hela’s crown, the Infinity Stones, the Ten Rings, etc. If some random Captain Carter from some random timeline can wield literally everything, and some character we’ve never even seen before is as powerful as the strongest Dr. Strange in the multiverse, what’s the point of power scaling or consistency? also, what’s the point of making use of Marvel characters and artifacts if they’re just gonna be used to hit each other to no real effect?
Howard the Duck at 11:01 appears to be wearing a floaty red coat with a white star on his chest. I'm guessing this is either a universe where Howard is the Red Guardian or one where Howard has the Cloak of Levitation.
I think this is Devil Duck?
Howard the duck gets the Starbrand?
Im guessing this variant of Howard visited Earth?
1:36 Red Guardian trying to be Batman.
TOP TIER MCU CONTENT OMG 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
The scene in the forge where the heroes kept dropping and then getting raised back up, reminded me of the scene in guardians 2 where Rocket used the antigravity mines to throw the ravagers up into the air again and again.
I think when the watcher sent himself and carter to see the tree they werent actually in the space of where the tree was but instead was watching it from the outside like a window
The only problem in this finale is the lack of connection between other episode.
This episode was wild! But what I would like to see was all the heroes we met in the previous episodes helping Peggy and Kahhori in the final fight instead of them just helplessly falling to that forge.
What If has been so rewarding to watch - thanks for these walk throughs!
Oh captain, just you watch.
- the watcher
I really hope they bring kahhori to live action.. that would be awesome!
I'm happy to say I really enjoyed this finale! This wasn't my favorite episode of the season, but I think it was a great and fun way to end the season and leave the door open for a 3rd season, which we know is coming! 8/10! Overall, though, this season was phenomenal! 9.5/10 for the whole season! I would also like to say I think Doctor Strange still being evil does make sense. His ark completed after his first episode in every other appearance he has made has just been bonus time, I think. After the season 1 finale, he had to watch over villains for the rest of Eternity all by himself with no real way to address his grief or any of the traumatic things he's gone through properly. He has also absorbed the most evil beings, not existence, and over time, that would slowly corrupt his mind even worse. After the end of season 1 with no proper way to address everything that is wrong with him while being isolated from the rest of the world, it would only make sense to relapse back into his worst ways.
The final battle was terrible, this girls had a really huge plot armor. And the fact they killed a character like Supreme Strange makes me extremely sad. He had so much potential for the future series
10:48 I would have thought Loki's what if here was what if Odin banished him to earth 150 years earlier to teach him a lesson and he ended up becoming a gun slinging vigilante in the mid west 😂
I love that idea! 😂 him just wreaking havoc as a lil cowboy in the Wild West 😂
The armored Hulk is Thulk from the comics
That butterfly is Strange's colors.
If the Watcher could see God of Stories Loki then does the TVA know about his existence ?
I was sad when I saw Loki staying alone for eternity, but now I'm happy that he's not. Loki has been my favourite character since the Infinity War.
The thought of Peggy just drinking up 80s and 90s movies between missions makes me chuckle.
"Peggy, Fury's got a mission for us."
"Bollocks, I wasn't finished with Home Alone!"
From dad to dad I can see you’re tired af Erick, so kudos to you for doing this for us!
The sanctum rather reminded me of the Citadel at the end of time, and I think they're rather similar in context as both are like outside space and time, and both Strange and Kang were living there in isolation, plus the color themes are kinda similar
This episode was such a treat omg
He’s back 🙌🙌
I like to think that at the end that butterfly in a way was Stephen, his butterflies were bluish teal in Infinity War, I like to also think he died good as that's what it shows as he falls down willingly with his demon, therefore the teal blue butterfly
In the end i gasped so hard i hurt my jaw
Say… if the watcher is involved in these universes, does that mean there’s alternate dimensions of the watcher? With watchers watching the watcher?
I didn't watch the episode but I learnt so much about life with marvel. I think if anyone cares about the deeper meanings of things we can learn in real life from movies then we will really all grow I appreciate everyone that does this videos and everyone who comments and everything about art I'm general. Thank you to all artists and creators for giving us stories, and emotions, feelings and hopefully in some way the meaning of life
I took the butterfly colors to be a nod to strange Supreme
Funny you didn't think of Kang's Multiversal Engine Core when you saw Sinister Strange's Forge, especially given it's extra-universal nature.
It might have been not the right time to do it, but I would have loved to see some Kang variants amongst Loki’s collection of universe killers
Exactly
Dont hold your breath
Good point, maybe leaving them out was intentional. As all Kangs are hiding elsewhere. Or marvel are gonna get rid so left them out of what if.
s3 maybe 🤞🤞
Nah, Kang is done 😂
Watching these multiverse stories only makes me want Majors' Kang more
I like to think that maybe that butterfly is the reincarnation of Strange in this universe. He was never born into this world, but a part of his soul is woven into its fabric.
Soooo goodsooo good. Took me to episode 4/5 to get into this season but this episode was one of my favorites
not only that but in “Across the Spiderverse”, Miguel unveils the “Archnahumanoid Watchamacallit” in the image or a branch growing upwards and spawning branches. We saw Andrew Garfield’s Uncle Ben moment, meaning that, that storyline which also ties into NWH, WHICH MEANS IT ALL COMES TOGETHER I LOVE IT
So….
I wonder is there another Strange Supreme somewhere?
The watcher said in THAT universe, that strange was never born. But would that mean that there are others where he exists then too?? Just wondering because I really like Strange Supreme when he’s on the hero side of things lol
Love Cabin In The Woods reference
The episode was crazy and felt like a fever dream, that fight was so cool. Captain Carter feels like the face of What if with watcher! I'm sad Strange Supreme ended up like that, yet it's understandable. I'm so excited, hope what if goes on for long. It will be lovely if we see God of Stories Loki in next season!
13:22 I like to believe that this could maybe be a IRL reference to a collision of neutron stars since mjölnor is also made from dying stars
The fact that a lot of the season 2 episodes did a lot with time, or Asgard. And at the end we see Yggdrasil. Maybe Loki can be free and keep the Yggdrasil alive. I really hope so because Loki is such an important character and I feel like we will see him more.
Finale was great! And that last scene had me hyped!
I will not be happy until I see Hayley Atwell as Captain Peggy Carter with a major role in a MCU project (*other than the few moments in MoM).
I thought the forge looked more like Kang’s multiversal engine core, personally. I also think the two Thor’s that collide midair looked like a regular Thor and a Loki Thor to me (Loki Thor on the left) and lastly that Asgardian Hulk is an actual character from the comics, he’s from the Banners of War run.
Thulk?
@@apolloathena8140 THULK ZAAAAP!!!
Good video
I also rewatched s1e1 after the finale, and the one of the bronze sculptures Red Skull collects is also the Yggdrasill tree. There has to be some connection right?? That is awesome.
I don’t get how everyone was able to use the stones with basically no problem. Even Thanos had to forge a special gauntlet to use it multiple times. And only he was supposed to be strong enough to weld it
marvel writers gave up ages ago
That was a wild and exciting episode.
Hope you and your family are doing well!
The forge also looks like the eye of Agamotto while it's opening
Kahhori speeding around Captain Carter in the beginning also reminded me of Doctor Strange 2 when Strange and America Chavez are strolling around a city in one of the destroyed universes.
who wouldve thought, Loki becoming the most powerful being in the MCU. a glorious purpose indeed.
15:10 Honestly this moment just gave me so much chills and excitement!
12:18 I also recognize this zombie is because that bearded one in particular was the one who infected giant wasp/hope
Can't wait for what...if? Season 3 and see what more stories to be told
I don’t know why, but the way the Hela variant and the Surtur variant looked at each other made me question if somehow they were the main universe variants