This should become part of the Headstamp publishing lineup. As a KS-backer of both Chassepot to FAMAS and Thorneycroft to SA-80, I can state unequivocally that I would pick this one up, too.
This series was probably the most interesting piece done on a specific area of military equipment I've yet to see on CZcams. "Bloke", "Chap" and now "Dude".
It was always clear that the enemy comes from the east. On training films usually a red fat arrow came through from austria ending somewhere in the canton of Vaud. Rarely the arrow came from the south east.
Another nerd-out with the Flying Carrots of Doom! Excellent presentation guys! I find this stuff absolutely fascinating. I hope Dale is able to preserve this info in, say, book form (hint, hint).
These videos were the most in depth series on any weapon system I have ever seen. A huge thank you to Dale for making these and to Mike/Bloke for bringing Dale to the World's attention. There's a lot to unpack here, but I don't want to give the impression of being pedantic, so I'll send Dale something offline. :)
Dale you are of course utterly fantastic. We need to get you coordinated with a PA Luty type guy to bring access to these beautiful pieces of equipment to the world.
Thank you both(but expecially Dale)! This serie is magnificent. I had a deep fascination for rifle granades for a long time, now i feel compelled to deep my readings on the Italian side of the topic.
By the 80s, we were effectively not being taught to try to fight MBTs with our rifle grenades - certainly not from the front. They were to be used against vehicles with less armour or soft skins as well as against enemy fortifications etc… But we were mountain infantry. I hated those bloody UGs
Learning to shoot a flintlock well, is an effective cure for flinching. Once you can keep three shots touching, with that fire ball by your face, your groups with other rifes will improve.
Und wieder ein tolles Video. Es gibt nicht viele im Internet, die mit der Qualität der Informationen mithalten können. Respekt und danke. Ich muss aber ganz ehrlich sagen, dass ich mitten im Video eingschlafen bin (hier müsste das Emoji mit dem Affen rein, der sich die Augen zuhält). Wenn Ihr Interesse habt ähnliche Videos weiterhin zu machen: Mich würde das Raketenrohr interessieren.
This is awesome. Yes, expanding the total sum of correct human knowledge. The flying carrots of doom an excellent example of how a good idea can take hold in an institution and turn out to be not such a good idea.
I, for one, would not have wanted to be the man told to lead the way into Switzerland in the 1960s. Just the thought of every other soldier having the option to chuck over a kilo of big-boom at me is more intimidating a thought than the idea of every infantry squad/section in the Red Army having an RPG7 or every other American carrying a LAW. Part of me thinks that Switzerland would have done well to find a way to keep its massive rifle-grenades around because I can't be the only one who finds them so persuasive an argument against entering the country without my passport being stamped.
very nice presentation, put a lot of light into those unseen parts of military equipment procurement and deployment it is interesting to consider that while the Swiss didn't adopt the Luchaire AT Grenade, it was adopted by the French for the FAMAS (Gr.Fl.AC 58 Mle F1 PAB) also interesting with the design route chosen (heavy flying carrots) how it influenced the decision to drop completely the rifle grenade in favour of the add-on grenade launcher, as the development of sighting systems for the launching of the new grenades was considered too expensive and time consuming to be worth (certainly after the numerous tries to make and build effective sighting systems for direct and indirect fire during the 60's), while the next-door neighbours who also leaned heavily in the rifle grenade (albeit a lighter one), had pretty much a perfectly okay solution for both firing modes since the 1950's (MAS 36/51 and MAS 49/56) and when the decision was made to adopt the small calibre assault rifle, the system was basically adapted to the new ergonomics of the rifle
The French never tried to do with their grenades what the Swiss did with theirs: at their conception, they could take on a Sovblok main battle tank from the front. By the end of their service, improvements in armour had basically negated this, and once you're reduced to the anti-personnel role, the underslung grenade launcher is by far the better option.
I feel like a wall rest/sandbag spike might have been useful for managing the recoil from an emplaced position or windowsill. Somewhat like the spur on an MP40 but obviously much stronger.
Bloke, if there is interest in the Dragon 77 for such a presentation ever, hit me up. Did shoot that on a Panzerattrappe as one of the last units educated on it. Got some materials for you. Peace
The Fass57 anti-tank grenage came into 2 versions... the non propulsive... and... the propulsive rifle grenade with a 80 kg (175 pounds) recoiI... I've seen people breaking their wrist with this one... after shooting 1-2-3 of them... your hand wouId sweII up and turn bIue! We were aII scared to shoot that stuff! We even used to shoot them Iaying on the ground in snow... But when a tank is coming right at You... who cares! SEMPER FIDELIS.
6:45 We wanted to adopt some Staghounds but that went nowhere. 49:35 Happy noises. 50:40 Frantic era of destruction.... I will henceforth refer to it as such, always.
Looks like Castro (or a stereotypical Cuban officer as portrayed in various films over the years where they popped up as advisers to the main protagonists) was OIC of the squad doing field practice around the 33 minute mark!
It's amazing how many things the starting with early success principle applies to. It's more amazing to me that that's not the way everything is taught. I think a lot of this has to do with the person doing the teaching wanting to inflate his importance by showing his skill would be difficult. So they set something as an initial experience that is too difficult for the student. This is discouraging for the student but makes the instructor feel like he is needed. When I teach new people to Target shoot I start with a target that I expect them to be able to hit 7 out of 10 times. Preferably reactive steel with a big cardboard box behind it so we can see where the misses go if there are any. It takes very little time before I can move that target out and make it more challenging. If possible this should be done with a red dot sight as It allows the new shooter to make many mistakes and still focus on holding the site on target while doing a trigger press. Less variables for the shooter to control. Then when they start getting cocky I can hand them a pistol in 22 caliber with conventional sights. This will expose all the errors in their fundamentals after they are already used to success. No they have a desire to shoot better but aren't discouraged.
Sweden used to have mine control stations disguised as fisherman's tool huts in every single port and harbour manned 24/7/365 from the 1940ies until 2003 in addition to maginot line like costal forts capable of surviving a tactical nuke and remain operational at over 50% complemented by mobile costal defence gun and missile artillery. (The surface navy was expected to last little over a week or two, the submarines and airforce a bit longer in the attempt to whittle down soviet naval and aerial transport capacity as far away as possible.)
Next ting for new shooters in any army. The rifle launched drone (self targeting and hiring up to 2.5 miles) "Well you can easy pull the trigger, once. It will kick like a bus! Have fun on the range.
Given the Swiss history with the crossbow, I think it would have been interesting if they had instead adopted a mechanical spring-powered grenade launcher, similar to the PIAT. They could have called it the William Tell:) It could have been made relatively compact, and with no backblast.
I wonder if anti-tank rifle grenades might make a comeback. laser guided anti-tank mortar rounds, for hitting the top of a vehicle, have been a thing for a while. considering the bulky and expensive nature of modern anti-tank missiles it might be worth developing a cheap laser guided top attack rifle grenade in the pattern of these mortar rounds. guided 15kg mortar rounds cost only $18,000, javilins cost $206,705. you could get even cheaper with lighter mortars and still be effective anti-tank weapons as the top armour of tanks is relatively thin, so i can imagine a 500g-1kg rifle grenade becoming effective in the near furture.
While Javelins cost $200.000, the much shorter ranged (600m) NLAW costs "only" $20.000 per unit. It's still pretty chunky at 28 pounds, but you can keep one or two of them in your vehicle or position until you need them. Think it's a much better intermediate range AT solution.
I think this would come in to late now. Tanks now are more often equiped with laser warning receivers and active protection system. That means first of all if you mark them with a laser, they know where your are immediatly, secondly it's likely that a rifle grenade gets destroyed before it reaches the tank. It's likely that weapons like the Javelin will become next to useless against fully equiped MBTs within the next decade.
I've said it before, and I will say it again... Dale should write a book about this stuff! Very interesting.
This should become part of the Headstamp publishing lineup. As a KS-backer of both Chassepot to FAMAS and Thorneycroft to SA-80, I can state unequivocally that I would pick this one up, too.
He's got a CZcams channel czcams.com/users/DaletheStgwDude
Why yes I just found it, how did you guess?
This series was probably the most interesting piece done on a specific area of military equipment I've yet to see on CZcams. "Bloke", "Chap" and now "Dude".
“What did you do during the war daddy? “
"I was a Rocket Launcher Dude"
But daddy, everyone was!
Dale is an excellent presenter, thank you for the interesting presentations!
Thank you Dale, and Thank you Bloke for giving Dale a platform to present this series. Cheers
Love this guys talks, he could be talking about the pros and cons of a bird table, and I'd still be riveted!!
It was always clear that the enemy comes from the east. On training films usually a red fat arrow came through from austria ending somewhere in the canton of Vaud. Rarely the arrow came from the south east.
Another nerd-out with the Flying Carrots of Doom! Excellent presentation guys! I find this stuff absolutely fascinating.
I hope Dale is able to preserve this info in, say, book form (hint, hint).
I'd love to see Headstamp Publishing make a book with a blindingly neon orange cover
Thank you Dale for sharing your knowledge 🇨🇭
These videos were the most in depth series on any weapon system I have ever seen. A huge thank you to Dale for making these and to Mike/Bloke for bringing Dale to the World's attention. There's a lot to unpack here, but I don't want to give the impression of being pedantic, so I'll send Dale something offline. :)
I’m going to sleep before watching this...but I’m sure as hell getting up to watch this before class tomorrow.
Dale you are of course utterly fantastic.
We need to get you coordinated with a PA Luty type guy to bring access to these beautiful pieces of equipment to the world.
Another astonishing package of information. Hetzer as target would be a challenge as those were small vehicles.
I’m so glad this series exists :)
Top presentation, many thanks for all the effort Dale and Bloke for hosting
Thank you both(but expecially Dale)! This serie is magnificent.
I had a deep fascination for rifle granades for a long time, now i feel compelled to deep my readings on the Italian side of the topic.
By the 80s, we were effectively not being taught to try to fight MBTs with our rifle grenades - certainly not from the front. They were to be used against vehicles with less armour or soft skins as well as against enemy fortifications etc… But we were mountain infantry.
I hated those bloody UGs
It's Unbelievable how much information and detail you put into this, amazing work
One of the best presentations I’ve seen on any topic.
Learning to shoot a flintlock well, is an effective cure for flinching. Once you can keep three shots touching, with that fire ball by your face, your groups with other rifes will improve.
Bloke, I wanted to sleep. y u do dis?
Dale could totally reach out to Ian @ Forgotten Weapons and try to get a book with his company Headstamp Publishing.
Thanks a lot Dale for this in depth peek into this part of the swiss military history
I can't say it often enough, but thank you so much to both of you. That was absolutely interesting and captivating.
Once again, Dalesplanation rocks!
Brilliant presentation. I really liked how you explained the 'system' aspect with its doctrine and training methods and how it changed over time.
Wow the amount of information and such a great way of shearing it
Und wieder ein tolles Video. Es gibt nicht viele im Internet, die mit der Qualität der Informationen mithalten können. Respekt und danke. Ich muss aber ganz ehrlich sagen, dass ich mitten im Video eingschlafen bin (hier müsste das Emoji mit dem Affen rein, der sich die Augen zuhält).
Wenn Ihr Interesse habt ähnliche Videos weiterhin zu machen: Mich würde das Raketenrohr interessieren.
This was brilliant. Your guest is an excellent speaker and presenter.
Thanks a lot for this trilogy! Amazing, how much info you transferred and still keeping it entertaining too!
Bloke thank you for you filming this with dale
Outstanding serie !!
This is awesome. Yes, expanding the total sum of correct human knowledge. The flying carrots of doom an excellent example of how a good idea can take hold in an institution and turn out to be not such a good idea.
What a hero
Nicely done presentation! Thank you both for your contribution to our knowledge base.
Fascinating series. Thanks :) You can see why they were made redundant in the end.
Thank you for this excellent content.
Heavily armed neutrals. I love that!
you should do the lebel mad minute
I, for one, would not have wanted to be the man told to lead the way into Switzerland in the 1960s. Just the thought of every other soldier having the option to chuck over a kilo of big-boom at me is more intimidating a thought than the idea of every infantry squad/section in the Red Army having an RPG7 or every other American carrying a LAW. Part of me thinks that Switzerland would have done well to find a way to keep its massive rifle-grenades around because I can't be the only one who finds them so persuasive an argument against entering the country without my passport being stamped.
Excellent series and very informative, thanks Dale for all the research!
very nice presentation, put a lot of light into those unseen parts of military equipment procurement and deployment
it is interesting to consider that while the Swiss didn't adopt the Luchaire AT Grenade, it was adopted by the French for the FAMAS (Gr.Fl.AC 58 Mle F1 PAB)
also interesting with the design route chosen (heavy flying carrots) how it influenced the decision to drop completely the rifle grenade in favour of the add-on grenade launcher, as the development of sighting systems for the launching of the new grenades was considered too expensive and time consuming to be worth (certainly after the numerous tries to make and build effective sighting systems for direct and indirect fire during the 60's), while the next-door neighbours who also leaned heavily in the rifle grenade (albeit a lighter one), had pretty much a perfectly okay solution for both firing modes since the 1950's (MAS 36/51 and MAS 49/56) and when the decision was made to adopt the small calibre assault rifle, the system was basically adapted to the new ergonomics of the rifle
The French never tried to do with their grenades what the Swiss did with theirs: at their conception, they could take on a Sovblok main battle tank from the front. By the end of their service, improvements in armour had basically negated this, and once you're reduced to the anti-personnel role, the underslung grenade launcher is by far the better option.
Great series
How do you feel after making the most comprehensive series on Stgw. 57 rifle grenades in human history?
great serials well done
I feel like a wall rest/sandbag spike might have been useful for managing the recoil from an emplaced position or windowsill. Somewhat like the spur on an MP40 but obviously much stronger.
Bloke, if there is interest in the Dragon 77 for such a presentation ever, hit me up. Did shoot that on a Panzerattrappe as one of the last units educated on it. Got some materials for you. Peace
These are great videos, but I always get sad that I'll never be able to buy a Stgw 57. Maybe I can rent one if I ever visit Switzerland.
Utterly impressive!
The Fass57 anti-tank grenage came into 2 versions... the non propulsive... and... the propulsive rifle grenade with a 80 kg (175 pounds) recoiI... I've seen people breaking their wrist with this one... after shooting 1-2-3 of them... your hand wouId sweII up and turn bIue! We were aII scared to shoot that stuff! We even used to shoot them Iaying on the ground in snow... But when a tank is coming right at You... who cares! SEMPER FIDELIS.
6:45 We wanted to adopt some Staghounds but that went nowhere.
49:35 Happy noises.
50:40 Frantic era of destruction.... I will henceforth refer to it as such, always.
Bloke, aiming the rifle grenade down at a tank below you, wouldn't the grenade falloff, or was their something I missed ?
There's a retaining spring that should support the full weight.
i'm still hoping for a book
Looks like Castro (or a stereotypical Cuban officer as portrayed in various films over the years where they popped up as advisers to the main protagonists) was OIC of the squad doing field practice around the 33 minute mark!
It's amazing how many things the starting with early success principle applies to. It's more amazing to me that that's not the way everything is taught. I think a lot of this has to do with the person doing the teaching wanting to inflate his importance by showing his skill would be difficult. So they set something as an initial experience that is too difficult for the student. This is discouraging for the student but makes the instructor feel like he is needed.
When I teach new people to Target shoot I start with a target that I expect them to be able to hit 7 out of 10 times. Preferably reactive steel with a big cardboard box behind it so we can see where the misses go if there are any. It takes very little time before I can move that target out and make it more challenging. If possible this should be done with a red dot sight as It allows the new shooter to make many mistakes and still focus on holding the site on target while doing a trigger press. Less variables for the shooter to control. Then when they start getting cocky I can hand them a pistol in 22 caliber with conventional sights. This will expose all the errors in their fundamentals after they are already used to success. No they have a desire to shoot better but aren't discouraged.
They have howitzers in barns... never know they were there.....
Sweden used to have mine control stations disguised as fisherman's tool huts in every single port and harbour manned 24/7/365 from the 1940ies until 2003 in addition to maginot line like costal forts capable of surviving a tactical nuke and remain operational at over 50% complemented by mobile costal defence gun and missile artillery.
(The surface navy was expected to last little over a week or two, the submarines and airforce a bit longer in the attempt to whittle down soviet naval and aerial transport capacity as far away as possible.)
So when is the Headstamp book preeorders available?
Lebel rifle should be put to mad minute test
please do the lebel mad minute
I've browsed the wheelsandtracks flickr. They have gigs and gigs of images.
Thank you for enjoying my pics. There are even more on my hard disc ;-) which haven't been published yet.
That was a bit of an old fashioned Snickers
Will we get another episode with Stgw90? 🥺
Next ting for new shooters in any army. The rifle launched drone (self targeting and hiring up to 2.5 miles) "Well you can easy pull the trigger, once. It will kick like a bus! Have fun on the range.
Given the Swiss history with the crossbow, I think it would have been interesting if they had instead adopted a mechanical spring-powered grenade launcher, similar to the PIAT. They could have called it the William Tell:) It could have been made relatively compact, and with no backblast.
Except the PIAT doesn't launch the grenade via spring power since it's a shoulder fired spigot mortar ;)
@@BlokeontheRange you are correct! Maybe something like a panzerfaust would be better...
Bloke, small question, How picky would the Swiss be on the word panzer, as in if a half-track or APC showed up would you still say attention panzer ?
Not picky at all. It just means "armour".
At 12:59, Carro Armato M13/42 as practice target ?
Anyone got a link to the Wheels and tracks blog?
What? Another video with a light Anti Tank capability, BotR is certainly leaning on an open door with me.
I wonder if anti-tank rifle grenades might make a comeback. laser guided anti-tank mortar rounds, for hitting the top of a vehicle, have been a thing for a while. considering the bulky and expensive nature of modern anti-tank missiles it might be worth developing a cheap laser guided top attack rifle grenade in the pattern of these mortar rounds.
guided 15kg mortar rounds cost only $18,000, javilins cost $206,705. you could get even cheaper with lighter mortars and still be effective anti-tank weapons as the top armour of tanks is relatively thin, so i can imagine a 500g-1kg rifle grenade becoming effective in the near furture.
While Javelins cost $200.000, the much shorter ranged (600m) NLAW costs "only" $20.000 per unit. It's still pretty chunky at 28 pounds, but you can keep one or two of them in your vehicle or position until you need them.
Think it's a much better intermediate range AT solution.
I think this would come in to late now. Tanks now are more often equiped with laser warning receivers and active protection system. That means first of all if you mark them with a laser, they know where your are immediatly, secondly it's likely that a rifle grenade gets destroyed before it reaches the tank.
It's likely that weapons like the Javelin will become next to useless against fully equiped MBTs within the next decade.
6:30 So WW2 Switzerland basically had Bob Semple tanks...but worse.
I like the c130 gunship... videos on youtube... then we have, drone swarms.........
Destruction on thousands of Stgw 57.
Me: Weeps in American.
Each swiss rifle platoon has it's own mortar batallion lol
Could you invent a sport with them. Rocket golf. Like they do with frisbies in America.