SWISS ARMY 1972 TACTICS: Vintage Film "Infantry Combat" (w/ Subtitles)
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- Swiss Army film F 665 "le Combat de l'Infanterie", slightly color-corrected and subtitled in English for your viewing pleasure!
Source: VBS/DDPS, F 665, CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 CH
Subtitles (C) Dale DING, 2021
Like how they depict a capable and formidable enemy that manages to make headway, instead of just a bunch of walking targets.
Swedish doctrine and tactics was apparently _very, very similar._ With 2 important differences. A Huge amount of (antitank) mines, controlled along roads and passive on fields. The other point is a dependency on heavy artillery fire (15 cm howitzer). Mortar was not trusted as the snow absorbed the shelling winter time (2 meter snow). Howitzer could use *_airburst._* Other than that its the same.
@@sergeant64 So I presume the Swedish had a lot more howitzers, then?
@@sergeant64 I was so impressed by the stridvagn 103 in my young age (at this time it was several different playing cards with cars, tanks, aircrafts we play with during school time we have made battles with friends)
Thereafter I have seen videos from it, really impressive how Sweden have made it with all special requirements adapted to Sweden doctrine and ground specifics.
I'm still impressed.
We have lots in common talking at cold war military.
For artillery we have performance updated M109 kawest with low rate of fire comparing to the Volvo set you have.
As we have abandoned artillery bunkers with heavy calibers, we have replaced them by mortars bunkers functioning with compressed air as they can't be counter battered, all around the main passages of borders with hidden build up as chalet or simple house.
@@vaclavjebavy5118t No, relatively speaking, the Swiss had more of everything, including self propelled 155mm Artillery. To achieve the same coverage, the Swedish would have needed 4000 to 5000 self propelled howitzers. People often don't realize the absurd proportions of the Swiss Army. They didn't need mines, because they could plaster the entire place with 155mm shells.
@@adrianguggisberg3656 damn, the Swiss are packing heat
Its funny that this Swiss army educative vintage film is better than most of the Hollywood war blockbusters in last 20 years.
It's the music.
Yep .... better than Hollywood!
Смотрю и получаю удовольствие.
Особенно забавно выходит у них изображение главного врага в виде С.А. СССР.
ofcourse its from the millitary themselves you bozo
Hey saving private ryan was only 3 years ago
When I first saw this documentary in 1988 in the army, I was too exhausted. Nice to see it again!
We also have sleeping during that projection.
ER 25 SION 1985
@@badbotchdown9845cool
This music is killing me! Surf rock and military strategy make a hell of a combinaton!
It's a take from "Peter Gunn"??
@@moonedward63 That's what I thought. 1970s Peter Gunn!
Military strategy including a planned avalanche is a powerful one.
Very gravity assist.
Every Swiss citizen has compulsory Army training each year for about one month, also citizens keep at home full uniforn, gas mask, weapon etc. So they are ready!
That was in the past. It changed a lot.
*every male swiss citizen thats fit for service.
Man only. Woman dont
yep, officers can keep fire arms too (automatic rifles that is), otherwise pretty much everyone can
@@theluckyegg3613 our youth is fittest now thanks to gyms, ultra whatever, CrossFit and no cigarettes. The gear is better. The Sig is the same because nothing is more precise at 300m. The motivation is better thanks to Vladimir. What else ?
The Swiss Army apparently had the same music department as the Australian Army in the 70s.
That was some serious live firing!
Quite cool to see how honest they are as they depict themselves taking casualties, something you don't see often in this "genre".
Also awesome to see the effects of supporting fires when they counter attack.
@@tatumergo3931 they don't need to stop a "soviet onslaught", they just need to prevent it.
Swiss currently have ~140 000 active troops, so not even counting reserves, enemy need to commit ~500 000 troops to take it (3 to 1 at the minimum when attacking), if they know they'll have ~200 000 casualties, campaign will be long and painful and need to commit significant forces, no one will be insane enough to attack them...
@@tatumergo3931 Switzerland would not pose a threat and the capital as well as major cities could be easily taken by the Russians but they can never capture the countryside and remote areas, Switzerland will just become another Afghanistan on steroids. (Of course assuming the swiss would resist after the country collapses)
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@@tatumergo3931 Key to the entire deterrence doctrine is to increase the cost of an invasion. If you have to nuke your target, raze all major cities and towns, most major infrastructure will be unusable, and/or the native population will have to be killed, you will be less likely to want to invade, because what's the point?
If you want to use the territory you invaded, it can't be nuclear wasteland. If you want to 'free the workers from the proletariat' you can't massacre the population - that would defeat the purpose of the invasion. If you have economic interests, but your invasion necessitates causing massive damage to the infrastructure necessary for extracting those economic resources (not to mention the cost of the war itself), then the war is pointless.
So the point is to show to any would-be invaders that invasion will be extremely costly, whatever the goal of the invasion happens to be. You win by showing your enemy that their win would be too costly to even attempt in the first place.
And in the example of an invasion from the Warsaw pact, you don't need a complete NATO collapse for Switzerland to get invaded. If the Soviets break through Bavaria, but reach some kind of stalemate further west, they might be tempted to use Switzerland to bypass NATO defenses. Or if Italy and the mountainous parts of Austria manage to stand their ground, so the Soviets want to open up a second front by going through Switzerland. A quick and cheap invasion would be worthwhile, but if the Swiss fight back and destroy any infrastructure that would make Switzerland a convenient bypass of the Alps, that changes the equation and deters an invasion.
@@sanitajirgensone315 when this movie was produced, during the cold war, the swiss army was one of the largest in europe with nearly 700k soldiers (1962 even 880'000 soldiers) 290 fighter jets, 800 battle tanks, 1300 -APC's etc. it was crazy
Thank you for putting these up, there is so much interesting stuff that gets “forgotten” by the internet. These films are fascinating.
Sometimes the CZcams algorithm just smashes it out of the fucking park.
I'm surprised how well made this film is. Basically the same tactics as for the German Army in the 70s and 80s but this training film is considerably better than the ones we've been shown (at least the films made after WW2).
@@DaletheStgwDude I would like to know how they did the scenes actually involving explosives. Some of those looked pretty intense.
@@franktower9006
Toutes les munitions avec une peinture jaune sont des munitions de guerre, en Suisse les exercices se déroulent a balles réels, pour cette époque des GP11 cal.7,5mm pour les fusils et mitrailleuse légères.
La seul différence c'est que les grenades sont tirées sans le chocolat ( manchon brisant ) et les explosifs sont declanché quand tout le monde est couché ou abrité, Mais les exercices restent très impressionnant surtout pendant la nuit avec les mitrailleuses qui tirent des balles traçantes par dessus les troupes.....les manipulations des armes sont répetées jours et nuits encore et encore pour développer des automatismes qui garantissent un maximum de securité.
Pour ma part ce que je trouvais le plus merdique c'etait de courir et tirer avec le masque à gaz
@@stevepiemontesi6695 Everybody and I mean EVERYBODY hates NBC drills and exercises.
This is outstanding! Love the rifles, MGs and HATCHETS
God the recoil on those rifle grenades is insane.
Oui! J'en ai beaucoup tirés dans les années 80 avant leur remplacement pour des armes plus modernes..... Ces grenades appelées UG étaient tirées en courbe par dizaines en même temps , mais quand il fallait les tirer en direct ( tendu ) le recul de 80 kg. etait très brutal.
Kinda funny seeing these dudes trying to control the Stgw 57 from the hip. Also notice how mucb the recoil is for those massive Rifle grenades.
I liked the trick they did with the anti-tank mines when they pulled them across with a cord putting them right under the armored vehicle before they could spot it.
We have been instructed at doing this so many times
This is a really old tactic (not knocking it, just wondering) I read in a WW2 German manual. How old is it for real tho?
Is it still effective on modern armor if you ignore that modern ones usually move around with infantry cover in most cases?
The Home Guard were taught that trick in 1940 by veterans of the SCW. Great stuff to see.
It’s actually the same technique that’s used by police when running stop sticks
It was in the British manual in the 1930/40s too.
Chilean Army adopted SIG 510-4 rifle as the standard assault weapon for its infantry forces since the middle of 60's until late 80's when SIG SG 540-542 was co produced under license by FAMAE (chilean military industries). Congrats for this wonderful video. Greetings from Chile 🇨🇱🇨🇭
@@DaletheStgwDude Both, the SIG 510-4 and 540-542 variants are currently used in all the infantry units alongside the chilean territory for military boot camp instruction exercises for officers and NCO's for its relaiability. In the latest years the SIG platform in 7.62 x 51 NATO cartrdidge has been replaced for the new Galil ACE 22 in 5.56 x 45 ammo co produced in Chile under license of IMI ( Israel Military Industries) and Indumil (Colombia) by FAMAE. Best 👍🇨🇱🇨🇭
Ola !!!
Salutation de la Suisse
Je trouve que le model Chilien du (fass57) et bien plus beau avec sa crosse en bois comparé au model que j'ai utilisé avec la crosse en plastique
I like how this film demonstrates that the STGW wasn't just meant to be an assault rifle, but a versatile weapons platform that could be used to quickly engage armored targets with RPGs, and provide indirect, mortar-like fire support, with out having to rely on specialized AT or artillery troops. Clearly developed to counter mechanized forces using blitz-krieg tactics, I do wonder if this is a case of "preparing for the last war". Then again, the main foe was the USSR, which had a large land army looking to overwhelm NATO with an absurd number of armored vehicles. I guess we're all lucky that the cold war never turned hot in Europe.
Saw this during national service in 1990. It was in german though 😊 It was late in the evening after a long day in the field. Our platoon fell asleep after a few minutes. Now I got the chance to finish it
15:46 This is straight out of an action movie.
Saw it in German but never in French, now I understand what they are saying! Great find!
@@DaletheStgwDude haha luv it thx 4 le thx 😆
I speak English. Thanks for the subtitles.
So exists German version?
@@DaletheStgwDude oki, thanx:)
Very interesting to see the influence that the German army in World War II had on the rest of the armies of the world. You can clearly see the influence in the camo and weapons
Everyone looked like Panzergrenadiers after that
@@JokahFACE yes
so true the stgw is a downscaled mg42 for most parts .... got a k31 and kept my stgw 90 after sevice ... might end up buing one
@@whachyagonnado yes, I believe the mg 42 is the best mg ever made
@@JokahFACE
I was Panzergrenadier in the Swiss Army. (1979) 😎
Classic film, love the "4 fruit pyjama" camo
Thank you for this awesome video!
This is what the German Wehrmacht might have looked like if the war didn't end in 1945.
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The translation at 26:15 "helping hands" (coup de main), could also be translated as "surprise attack", which fits better in the context of this video.
What a fine video & soundtrack. Really a gem.
Hi Dale, I always loved to listen your expertise on the STGW 57 so much so that I got one and I love it. Very happy to see that you have your Chanel. Keep the contents coming.
Good job.
Amazing video. Thanks for the subtitles. Love your channel. 🖤
Lovely piece of archive footage. Makes me smile.
Thank you for the upload, very interesting.
The Swiss army has the coolest camo
Former SS Leibertarn First used in WW2 From German Troops
It's called alpenflage, have a set at home myself, the combat jacket is a load bearing vest and jacket mixed into one, the hood has a sniper veil and there's a backpack that attaches to it
@@DaletheStgwDude I've actually done some research since I commented that, I've seen it mentioned as Taz 38, not sure how accurate that is either, thanks for the info on "alpenflage" though, I wasn't aware of that👌
@@DaletheStgwDude here in Switzerland the camo pattern together with the uniform was known as the "Vierfruchtpyjama" which translates to "four fruit pyjamas"
I figure that to someone who is familiar with the matter, this isn't worth mentioning. But it is quite notable how diversely sourced the equipment of the Swiss army was during the Cold War. Most nations in Europe were either dominantly producers and exporters or importers of military hardware but Switzerland walked the middle of the road. Most infantry equipment and weaponry was domestically produced, the MBT and some trucks likewise were domestic productions, but almost all other vehicles, most notably the internationally popular M113, which is still the most numerous tracked armored vehicle in active Swiss service today, were imported. All military aircraft, except trainers, were foreign productions as well. I gotta say, I was surprised to see an AH-1G, which was cutting edge at the time, in service with the Swiss armed forces in 1972.
Mirages were Swiss made under French Licence(3 times the Frnech life span) and massively improved as were all other imports, even the Swiss made Leo2 was much better then its German made ancestor....Swiss edition means always better even the Italian chocolate enrobers Barolo from Varese have a Swiss edition..
Thank you having an Channel. Came from Bloke on the Range
I served in the Swiss Army 1984
10.16 the "enemy" has licenced submachinegun's Suomi 1931 manufactured in the Switzerland
A true DEFENSE Force with the sole purpose of defending their national territory, which ís totally legit. No foreign interventions, no fiascos!
Merci d'avoir retrouvé cette archive, que j'ai souvent vu durant mes périodes militaires. Ce film avait un effet galvanisateur pour les recrues et les cadres!
STG Dale! Great to see you have a channel! Looking forward to seeing you create some content. I hope you will make that a reality! Wish you the best!
These soldiers are damn brave, they really know their land and the tactics they use
amazing thanks for posting
Man, things really heat up after the 11:50 mark !
super film
Best war film I've seen in a long time! Great info too!
Très intéressant j'espère qu'il y aura d'autres vidéo comme celle ci
This was awesome!
Amazing video!!!
interesting how still it's shown how some swiss would die and some swiss casualities
This video is as old as I am. Thanks for the upload. When I was in the military myself, we also had instructional materials like this, often in VCR format. Great to reminisce.
fantastic
Lo mejor del ejército suizo es su fusil SIG . Firme ,confiable,no se congela en la nieve y su poderoso calibre 7.62
Enemy armour! Quick deploy the flying carrots of death!
There is a lot of ww2 weapons in this film, but also some 70 equipment , fun mix to watch
Cool background music!
Appreciate the opening music.
That bare hand MG barrel change had me shook
"atténtion chaaars" just doesn't have the same ring to it as "ACHTUNG PAAANZEEER!"
Also loving the opening musical stylings symoblic of the era
11:50 and afterwards reminds me of that scene in Predator where Arnie and his guys completely annihilate a part of the jungle with their firepower
Super SWISS Army!
Swiss Army always prepared for a War that they always avoided by being neutral..........
Same as a monk whose neutral and friendly to everybody but never sells his sword ........... 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Well you can't expect that everyone always respects your neutrality and you have to be prepared for that.
Weird learned a lot of this already from EUGEN games. Weird to see a doctrine actually based around defense of one's nation since America pretty much just goes overseas to fight.
That's a very good thing
To safeguard the USD position.
I seem to have missed the part with the standard massively destructive Warsaw Pact artillery preparation. Everything up to divisional battery shoots with arty, MLRS rockets and some chemical munitions thrown in for a laugh too.
I'm surprised how well that camo works, when they go prone during the "counter assault" they just disappear.
@@DaletheStgwDude From my limited pseudo-military experience it's movement that gives you away not really colour so I suspect you might be right. It's definitely unique though!
I wear this camo for airsoft games, it works extremely well in the brownish forests of northern Bohemia. Guys I play with almost always laugh at me for wearing such ridiculous pattern, but it works better than their preffered flecktarn, type 95 or multicam. It's about choosing the right pattern for right environment and knowing how to use it.
@@DaletheStgwDude combination of both. M83 pants and blouse and m70 backpack and helmet cover(I also run the m71 helmet, pretty comfortable). When it comes to the camo pattern itself there is no difference I found except the older tends to be more washed out.
Plain old olive green or Feldgrau would have worked just as well. A few days living rough out in the field and you mostly take on the colour of the ground anyway, no matter what you are wearing. What airsofter players wear on the weekend is not at all relevant.
I remember these pictures on the walls in Isone of grenadiers using these ww2 grenades and flame throwers in urban combat.
boy it sure looks like the recoil on a rifle grenade absolutely SUCKS to deal with.
Indonesia amry TNI-AU love swiss amry
Swiss has great military marital, also causally released some book on Partisan warfare in Europe but it´s in German.
At the time when Tanks and Mobilized Army were a huge threat compare to nowadays Informationised war..........GOOD OLD Days
I dont know how it is today. But it is nice to see the swiss army with minimum things carried on body into battle.
Awwww yeah, more STGW 57
i Spotted a Terminator - Changed that hot Barrel with bare hands -> 26:55
Those are live rounds passing mere feet by their heads!
This was quite normal during exercises. The film is in that regard a normal training exercise on Company level. Of course dramatized and cut to fit the purpose. Even in basic training one was advancing/running over boulder fields with the tracer bullets flying over ones head and the hand grenades used were the real ones - just with the fragmentation sleeve removed. Standard practice was to use live ammo wherever possible (with rather tight safety margins) once a unit reached a certain level of proficiency.
Yep @@ursusfloeckli9065
Exercice en 1985 disponible également.
1:11 "Je vois surtout que le policier aujourd’hui, doit être conscient de la tâche, la responsabilité, et surtout de la tâche morale qui lui décombe… Euh qui lui incombe… Qui lui décombe et surtout qui lui incombe…" - Robert Robichet 1990
I recall my father telling me in the '70s that Swiss men were all in the reserves and kept weapons at home, ready to rush to key passes. Is that true?
We can raise up 400000 men in 24-48h at this time, the goal is to discourage reds to use our country in place to rush in Fulda corridor.
Nothing has changed, Switzerland is the only nation that make it illegal not to have a weapon at home and be able to use it. After military service all of your equipment and weapon go home with you.
@@2566Conan Not true. Its not illegal to have no weapon at home. Ammo will not be taken home since many years now.
Yes and it still is.
When I served in the army the rifle (SIG 550 in my case) was brought home together with canned (and sealed)ammo with 20 rounds, the capacity of the standard mag. If the seal of the can was broken you would go to jail, this was being checked with every (annual) service. The rifle was fully functional, only a small switch made it semiautomatically that was easily put into automatic mode. You ought to have it switched to semiautomatic when not in service.
In the close-ups of the officer/spotters, you can see that they have the Achselpatten on inside out - any idea why this was done?
@@DaletheStgwDude That would explain it!
Un très beau film d’entraînement! Pouvez-vous uploader en non répertoriés par exemple la version sans sous titres ?
@@DaletheStgwDude Ça serait super de votre part l'ami !
I wonder if Swiss tactics specifically this one are thought in a military school. great vid bro thanks for sharing.
I remember having been shown this particular film during basic training (Andermatt) in 1986. Actually it was the day when family was allowed to visit.
@Zyklon B
It seems to me you have a strange name ...
On the subject: This film was presented to us at the anti-tank recruit school in 1978. It was one of the few films in which the recruits didn't fall asleep.
Yes, it was the official defense tactic of the Swiss army at the time: villages and narrow spaces in the area were turned into resistance bases.
This in several lines of resistance in the depths of the country
More of these please
"When the rocks starts speaking french"
And or Swiss German, or a little Italian.
The training film is in Swiss French which has a base 10 number system for 70-99 which would be prevalent in this video. I would if there's a Swiss German and Italian versions too
Looks like an updated WWII film to me
When Switzerland was still Swiss 😞
Loving the ww2 hand grenades
Came from BOTR and your carrots of doom series.
Hi thanks for the re-upload where can i find the original footages without the subtitles ?
@@DaletheStgwDude it's not free tho
I've searched a lot on their website but didn't found the video
the german version is here. czcams.com/video/qmibfBVMJB8/video.html
@@FortuneZer0 ik this footage but the frame rate is very bad
Was that a panzerschreck?
This focuses almost exclusively on infantry (artillery is shown); anything on anything else (airborne forces, tanks, air defense, etc)?
I LOVE Alpenflage !!
Great video !
Did I spot a rexim favor smg in there with the adversary infantry? Im probably wrong. I know I did spot a wheeled MOWAG with remote MG3 equivalent.
It looks like a WW2 movie.
Just now discovering this. Pardon my ignorance, but how would have/does communication work in a scenario like this, language-wise? Does everyone settle on French or German or is a third language spoken, English maybe?
The Swiss Army in those days was divided into 4 Field Army Corps (Feld Armee Korps FAK), each responsible for an area. The Units were grouped when possible according to the language. FAK 1 was the french part, FAK 2 the Central area, FAK 4 the east and Gb AK 3 was the mountain corps. On-Command lvls most officers spoke french from the german speaking parts anyways. The Air Force used a mixed Code Language called the Bambini Code.
7:47 that one hurt!
12:42 Dat machine gun fire!
the swiss really know how to make some good trenches
Am I the only one who heard Flight of the Valkyrs as the swiss armor deployed at 16:42?
Is funny how they named the mortars, is litteraly mines launcher.
I am not sure where it comes from, but German call mortars (man portable) minenwerfer, mine throwers. But it could be that the French say it the same way.
I'm not sure if Swiss German is different, but "regular" German they are called "granatwerfer" which literally translates to "grenade thrower"
Yeah am pretty sure it’s because the language doesn’t have a word for “mortars” so they used the next closest thing which is “mines launcher”
@@doom1894 In German is the word mörser, which means mortar. But if you speak of mörser as weapons it means heavy howitzer.
@@danschneider9921 Granatwerfer is the more modern word. In WW1 it was still called minenwerfer. Yet at the end of WW2 the terminology changed to granatwerfer. Also the nature of projectile changed so granatwerfer is more proper name
This is hilarious. Bless them, they put all that effort into this video.
Is that Rick Moranis playing the company commander?
SIG !! Precision rifle!!!
Why this keep coming up my feed?