Philipp Mainländer: The Life-Rejecting Socialist
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As it turns out, the official English translation of Philosophy of Redemption has been delayed to 2021 due to the Corona virus.
The Mainländer subreddit has a lot of dedicated Mainländer fans, and occassional translations and updates on his works: / mainlander
Incomplete unofficial translation of Mainländer’s main work: / works referred to and cited:
Arthur Schopenhauer - The World as Will and Representation - philocyclevl.files.wordpress....
Arthur Schopenhauer - The Essays of Arthur Schopenhauer: Studies in Pessimism - www.gutenberg.org/files/10732...
Friedrich Nietzsche - The Gay Science - theanarchistlibrary.org/libra...
Frederick C. Beiser - Weltschmerz - www.amazon.com/Weltschmerz-Pe....
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
01:55 - Philipp Mainländer: The Life-Rejecting Socialist
04:45 - Schopenhauer: The High Priest of Pessimism
12:48 - Philipp Mainländer and the Young Hegelians
17:05 - The Decaying Body of God
21:51 - Sympathy for the Suffering
27:32 - Extinguished in Eternal Peace
32:59 - Patron credits
in my understanding schopenhauer understood life as oscillating between the desire to nut and post nut depression.
Yep sounds about right.
The suffering of desire and the despair of gratification. We are programmed to be unsatisfied in order to prolong the species
absolutely correct
not even wrong
@Anonymous Anonymous are you by any chance this kid?: /watch?v=fDwyMBNMG4k
Aristotle:" if the goal of life was to die, we would all strive to die as soon as we can"
Mainlander:"what a great idea!"
XDD
I misremembered the quote to fit better to the contexts the joke, but near the end of chapter 2 of Book 2 of Physics Aristotle, when discussing causes as leading to ends says: “Further, for the sake of which, or the end, as well as whatever is for the sake of those, belongs to the same study. But nature is an end and a that-for-the-sake-of-which (For of those things which there is an end, if the motion is continuous, the end is both the last stage and that for the sake of which;which induced the poet to say, absurdly, “he has his death, for the sake of which he was born.” For not every last thing professes itself to be an end, but only what is best.)” [translated from greek by Joe Sachs in “Aristotle’s Physics: A Guided Study (1980)]
Aristotle chides poets of his time for misinterpreting ends that we aspire to as the last stage of the process we take part in and not the best being we strive to make them as the end that guides our actions without actually ending our being.
We born then we consume energy as much as possible then die, taking all that energy with our death....it feels like we humans are created to accelerate the destruction of the universe, and we bloody hell are succeeding
@@liteviews4493 I dunno man, I personally don’t aspire to max my wattage consumption and would even prefer adding more than I’ve taken if possible. Humans are great at cheating Math, some of us might be able to cheat for addition rather than subtraction
@@benzur3503 Wow, that quote has to be one of the most convoluted sentences I have ever read.
Listening to you quoting Schopenhauer on the meaninglessness of life while doing my morning routine of shaving, pissing and brushing my teeth felt like a particularly absurd moment in my life.
I think it's because of shaving. Man must have a beard.
strange i just started using the bathroom and brush my teeth at the same time recently(When waking up). i don't shave. i just trim it pretty low with scissors when it gets too long and uncomfortable. But that could be diffferent for me because i can't grow a full beard.
NoneExistent None i _have_ to shave because i cant grow a beard ... it grows in little patches and if i let it grow it wont go past like 2 millimeters lol it looks ridiculous
No poop?
Relatable, have a nice day.
"There are two tragedies in life - not getting what you want, and getting what you want." - Oscar Wilde
"Man can do what he wants, but he cannot want what he wants" - Arthur S
You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime you can get what you need .....mick jagger
I'm pretty sure that's Yuri Orlov from the movie Lord of War.
"... The last is much the worst; the last is a real tragedy!"
@@thotslayer9914 but can 1 million dollars buy you a sense of humor?
I would be upset too if nietzsche called me the apostle of virginity
@GozerTheTraveller ohhhhh...BURRRRN
@GozerTheTraveller How so ? Wasn't he into going for hookers with Wagner?
@@Akhin He died of Syphilis, I don't know why the rumour of him being virginal still abound
GozerTheTraveller he legit died from an std I don’t think he was a virgin
@GozerTheTraveller Still fucking destroyed Mainlander with that burn
“ *The Decaying Body of God* “
“ *Sympathy for the Suffering* “
“ *Extinguished in Eternal Peace* “
All fantastic names for metal songs
Ha, was thinking the same thing
“The monster, Infinity,” would too
I think they are already title songs
Honestly an atmospheric black metal album based on philosophy of redemption would be dope
@@benjaminherrera1987 And thus I got the urge to listen to Darkspace - Dark II once again. Or maybe just Darkspace in general.
indisputably the best philosophy channel on this godforsaken website
It's not the channel we deserve, but the one we need
The channel is good but a bit outdated
@@agapon2023 how so?
Let's not make it a competition.
Academy of ideas is dope 2
I should probably watch this when I'm in a better mental state.
I was feeling suicidal the last few months. By no means a novelty but quarantine has caused me to think about my death even more obsessively. Just to rationalize my dangerous thought process, I read Cioran, mainlander, luggati and Schopenhauer. I think other people do the same.
yes, that will put a stop to it
I feel you, I manage my reading and media intake fairly carefully.
Don't sweat it. Old guys with more time than toil became bored in their empty pursuits and brought us most of the pessimistic works. They all needed more walks and a bag of weed. Don't make it more complicated than that.
Saman Xhetry lmfao I did the same and felt even worse
"Hartmann tried to combine Schopenhauer with Hegel"
has science gone too far?
"Ayo so I put sushi and chocolate in a blender and mixed that shit. Wanna try?"
"Brother... You need professional help"
I’m always reminded of an Olof Palme quote “as we are here, doomed to be on this earth, we should try to make life as decent as possible.”
That pretty much sums it up, yeah
Yep. "After Life"
Why do so many people dismiss their own pessimism as being immature as if only an "angsty teenager with no friends" would be so pessimistic? It's so cowardly.
The value of life, the purpose of existence and the problem of evil (in both their secular and theistic formulations) are incredibly difficult, thorny questions. Philosophers and theologians have been wrestling with them for the entirety of recorded history, and still we have no definitive answers and probably never will. The result is angst and existential crises, which are incredibly heavy burdens to bear. It is much easier to repress the questions, dismiss them as childish and go on with one's day. This is why I believe conservatism (as the conservation of the status quo; and opposed to progressivism as the critique and alteration of the status quo) is so steadfastly popular, especially in times of crises, when we should be seeking solutions: it's much easier to admonish the ostrich who doesn't stick his head in the sand, than it is to question our entire being.
Mainlander did no dismiss his own pessimism and hung himself in his 30’s.
If you claim to be a pessimist, do you plan to follow it to its legitimate conclusion? Or are you the real coward?
Because most pessimism is naive and poorly thought out by young people who haven't had many life experiences.
Because philosophical pessimism is just mysticism for losers lmao
@@iillililillliliilliiililil5066 do you even know what mysticism is? educate yourself before talking about the subject
This might sound a bit odd, but Mainlander's idea about God attempting to become nothing by creating a universe which decays into nothingness is pretty much exactly an idea I had when I was suffering heavily from schizophrenia. I genuinely believed I was part of God and the reason I was suffering was because I could never reach the end, due to God (me) being unable to stop existing. It's a bit more nuanced than that, but yeah, pretty damn close.
yo I had a mental breakdown in 2015 and felt the same thing. I haven't really gotten out of it. so tired of existing. However, part of the break was reliving countless suicide attempts before being resurrected. So I'm not suicidal but I've spent 5 years wishing I could erase my existence and only fall deeper into a miserable world... you get the help you needed or what?
Reminds me a bit of that episode of "Love, Death + Robots" titled "Zima Blue". Like how the core desire of anyone is to go back to where we were, before we were brought into consciousness.
@@cheesecakelasagna I also immediately thought of this episode when he went over Mainlander's desire to disassemble and fade away. Maybe this desire for death or nonexistence (or in the case of Zima Blue, the desire for sublime simplicity) comes from a deeper desire within human consciousness to find the ultimate truth or one's true self and purpose while living in a world rife with social constructs that only serve to subjugate, alienate, and humiliate. With constructs such as political identity, national identity, race, religion, and sexuality we as humans are constantly managing how others perceive us in order for us to fulfill societal obligations and normatives as well as to satisfy our own self perceptions. Perhaps the action of maintaining these many identities (both the internal and the external) are responsible for the faux hyper-individualism that is now so prevalent in society, faux in the sense that the granular instances of a person act in a hyper-individualistic manner but still seek recognition and approval from some social group they correlate themselves with, and when this social group does not recognize the individual as the individual desires to be recognized or when the group consensus starts to evolve away from the individual's perceptions of the group and the individual themselves, there is some serious disillusionment that causes the individual to feel despair and nihilism due to the loss of this identity if it is not properly supplanted with another.
You might be interested in reading Bataille, specifically his idea of the "limit" of all existence, either in his prose/erotic litterature or his philosophical work. "Cuck" has a good video on him aswell that is a good introduction
@@kwullums
If one combines the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics
with the anthropic principle then you get quantum immortality,
if for anything at least the 'memetic field' that is the collective unconscious.
Add in a bit of relativity and you can find yourself as a psuedo-solopsistic quantisation
of said memetic field in N-dimensional hyper-space.
{a transdimensionally computational homeostatic mechanism}
You don't have to believe in god to realise the power of faith
and it's apparent subjective manifestations within the bounds of synchronicity.
An athlete would never make it to the starting line without belief, let alone finish first.
Pretty much every (well conducted) study ends up studying (by virtue of necessity)
the placebo effect.
This can provide you with the "scientific*" version of an immortal soul,
the means to have influence over your reality through faith
by navigating a "quantum"/"Transdimensional" state-space
(both as a collective & psuedo-solopsistically)
and the ability to align or self identify with the
'undying continuity portion' of the 'memetic field' or memetic quanta
- you can be immortalised by the footprints you leave,
through your works or, in the near future, digitisation.
Everything is relative, after all.
I think your life is only meaningless because you believe it is.
You have to play pretend first to get caught up in it.
This will leave you being ultimately wrong in the objective sense,
but if it's meaning your after then, it seems to me at least,
(capital 'M') Meaning is entirely projective, relativistic and not at all intrinsic.
Activation energy seems to be the scarcest resource when we find ourselves at a ground state,
but once in motion things simply begin to happen
and then it's easy to ascribe meaning to things when novel events are occurring,
even if it is all ultimately meaningless, objectivity be damned.
If "Truth" is meaningless and "Falshoods" are meaningful then screw it.
Play pretend and offer yourself the chance to forget the truth every now and then.
Begin with something meaningless and just make it all into a good story.
Don't worry if you seem to consistently suck at it.
I choose to believe we have the span of infinity to figure out how to enjoy ourself.
Damn I just realized that Mainlander's metaphysics is just reverse Anaxagoras.
Instead of the universal intellect organizing matter it disintegrates it and itself.
This is the dopest comment I've found on youtube. Congratulations!
Goatpriest It gives me hope lol
Seems like both are happening. We're decaying and reproducing optimizing bio machines trying make something of it.
Incidentally, Nietzche's characterization of Anaximander's philosophy is kind of similar, to the point that I think it is (one of the several things that was) stolen by him from Mainlander:
"It may not be logical, but it certainly is human, to view now, together with Anaximander, all coming-to-be as though it were an
illegitimate emancipation from eternal being, a wrong for which destruction is the only penance."
Or half of Empedocles’ cosmological cycle in which Strife rules over Love tearing everything apart.
It’s always fun when you find a new thinker and discover you arrived at similar conclusions as them
there is no "thinker"
*"Shortly after his book was published he hanged himself standing on a stack of the newly arrived copies of his own book."*
I want to say Mainlander died in the most poetic way possible. After all he was a poet. But! It is worth mentioning that Mainlander’s family struggled with suicide as well. Few of his family members took their lives away and if I’m mistaken it was one of his siblings death that really devastated this thinker. Also I believe it was his sister who helped Mainlander’s philosophy to be relevant, later on she took her life away as well. Don’t quote me on that though. So yeah, Mainlander comes from a suicidal family tree.
Darwin: "Life is selected toward better survival through adaptations across eons"
Family made of distilled suicide: "allow us to introduce ourselves"
Darwin: *in shambles*
Clusters occur between unrelated persons too. It's not genetic.
I read that was also the case with Wittengstein (typo?) family as well. Most of his family members comitted suicide or were killed (dont quote me on this).
Yes it is socially contagious as well... But I believe genetics most definitely can play factor. Look at the Hemmingway family...
i think he's kind of like a cynic in a very true sense in that he goes between the ideal of a utopia and the reality of life being just the experience of decay. he's very extreme and romantic which is pretty fitting for the time and place he's from.
this is pretty on the nose. I feel like the pessimism he is espoused to is simple a removal of delusional-optimism that inevitably leads to suffering. the only bad part is his solution (death) is that it is too transgressive and radical in a world dominated by humanism.
It fits with me
I heard about mainlander through Thomas Ligotti's work, The Conspiracy Against the Human race. I would recommend it to fans of pessimism.
The Gas Station Carnivals is one of the only horror stories to legitimately disturb me. Ligotti is highly underrated. I hope that, like Poe and Lovecraft, he at least gets the fame he deserves posthumously.
THE DECAYING BODY OF GOD
fucking brütal
Sounds like the title of a HEALTH song
Good Silver Mt Zion profile pic
*blast beats starts
* Evangelion imagery emerges from my memory *
I've literally watched this 3-4 times in 24 hours. This a philosopher who reached straight g status in my pessimistic book.
this is a great comment
Homeboy sounds like a bummer. Probably would of been fine if they had linkin park and anime back then
I'm sure a few spins of "Crawling" would revive the rotting corpse of God.
and antidepressants
Literally sounds like the thoughts I had back when I was constantly listening to Linkin Park and before I eventually found Zoloft
Maybe antinatalism would be an acceptable alternative philosophy. I think it has many more valid points
Anonymous Anonymous why so serious?
Whoa, honestly did a double take when I read Mainlander in the title. Seeing mention of him or Zapffe is a shock.
Philosophical pessimism is always something I return to when I'm in the darkest of spaces, for very much the same reasons you mention. Yet it isn't something I ever really discuss, with anyone.
To paraphrase Ligotti, you rip up your notes and throw them in someone else's trash.
Ha, I knew there had to be someone else who read Mainlander because of Ligotti. Can't believe On the Tragic is still yet untranslated despite being a hundred years old.
Kron Zapffe and Ligotti fucked me up real badly. I really don’t agree with their ideas at all, I just think it’s a way too depressing mindset. However, I think more people should read their stuff it’s good to have your views completely dismantled every once in a while
I still can't help but find what they say beautiful, despite the harm. Specifically things like Zapffe's brotherhood of suffering. Somehow, through those dark spaces, it's possible for them to be a key into seeing beauty into more things, into being able to understand that even having the luck to suffer is a kind of miracle.
@@julesdudes853 I'm of the opinion that so much of modern life is mediocre because of the current tendency to view pain and pleasure in a too utilitarian perspective. It may be a cliche to say we can only appreciate the heights after we have fallen to the depths, but it's a cliche for a reason. If anything, the current tendency toward pure utilitarianism, and the resultant anesthetisation of all discomfort has resulted in more harm than good. Pessimism is simply the pins and needles of a dead leg's awakening.
@@thesupremenecroticdakimakura: On The Tragic is writen in this semi-sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek style that probably makes it hell to translate. Also Zappfe died in 1990, so it's probably still under copyright.
Philipp's (last) apartment is just a few blocks away from where I live. one of the greats who is too often overlooked, thank you for that video!
Phillip must have been great at parties.
He actually was reputed to have been a lively and warm personality! One of my favorite stories:
One day, when Mainländer was travelling by train, a young Jewish man stared at him. The expression of Mainländer’s face said: “Look somewhere else! Quos ego!”, but the student, having seen that Mainländer was reading the Novum Organum by Francis Bacon, didn’t want to let him go.
In the conversation that ensued, Mainländer quickly discovered that this student of philosophy was talented, but hadn’t heeded Schopenhauer’s warning to read only few, but timeless, books. Only on one point he had attained full clarity: that von Hartmann [pessimistic post-Schopenhauerian philosopher] is a fool.
They had a lot of fun with dismantling and ridiculing Hartmann’s philosophy, and they were in a competition who could do it in the most original manner. Also the other passengers, who knew nothing about philosophy and couldn’t follow the discussion, enjoyed the roast and laughed a lot, especially when they decided to hold a funeral sermon for a torn book by Hartmann.
Then Mainländer became ashamed of what he was doing, and transformed his speech into an eulogy on the man who was after all a pessimist.
Rad Shiba This is so cool. To think that that kind of story exists in that time and place is just so funny.
@@joshuahgurule-duan2953 historic roasts are often fun. karl marx loved to shitpost (“post” as in “writing letter”): www.reddit.com/r/communism101/comments/6bymb5/what_are_some_of_marxs_greatest_insults/
Kierkegaard commented that he was the life of a party, and left wanting to hang himself.
Hes not great outside of parties
Brother you are ascending to higher levels of understanding and becoming a rare educator and possessor of knowledge. This is an outstanding video from conception and execution and editing and all the rest. I'm in awe, you're truly building your houses on the slopes of Mt Vesuvius as it were Oh how I love to see it
@First Name Last Name What's that?
@@concars1234 he is a right wing troll, se their other comments
"your suffering is a condemnation of the state of things" Always on point, CCK. Thanks for the good word for all of us anxious and depressed would-be pessimists
It says something then, that suffering is the base condition of life.
"Once you realize this, you realize that perhaps your suffering isn't just the regular course of events, that instead your suffering is a condemnation of the present state of things and a demand for change. And although acceptance may give you comfort, only the refusal to accept can bring change. If we realize change is possible, we also realize that pessimism of the kind discussed can often be used as a sedative beneficial to those who rule over us, to sedate us into accepting the status quo as something inevitable."
Who dat?
@@pjeffries301 It's Cuck Philosophy himself lol
Great. Im all for change as long as it doesnt result in MORE suffering.
Schopenhauer is like "life is suffering, existence is meaningless", but then Camus is like "cool".
@papaJueJue Comedy is hard.
That's why camus sucks so bad
Cioran - a guy who lived and breathed philosophy every day of his life since he was 18 - once gave Camus the manuscript to one of his books.
Camus: "You have yet to enter the realm of great ideas."
Cioran: "Ohhhhh, fuck your mother then!"
And both of them were white, privileged and rich. They had never really suffered
@@agapon2023 I would like to have seen someone tell Stephen Hawking he never really suffered because he was white, rich and privileged. The thing about privileges is that they are more often than not unfair advantages, the top tier of an inequality born out of an imperfect system. It doesn't follow, however, that people with privileges never "really" or "truly" suffer. That's divisive nonsense.
Whoever set their patron name to "And most importantly," I dug that.
Wtf, just realized this video was 30 minutes, it felt like 15 minutes.
It is 15 for us in the 2X playback speed gang
Perhaps it’s because you actually enjoyed the video?
@@onlyechadtherebellious2467 yep very true, dang 2 years passed
I cannot stop thinking about how the universe we live in is the rotting corpse of god.
just go out and have a chat with some people who don't read philosophy or follow politics - and you will realize that the world is not such a bad place.
@@lostintime519
...but that it is indeed, also, the rotting corpse of god
@@lostintime519 Oh thank you for trying to make me feel better but I wasn't making any statement about the state of the world, I just think that his choice of words was extremely metal and so I felt like repeating it! It feels so powerful whether you agree with his perspective or not. Also talking to people who are uninformed about politics tends to have the opposite affect on me personally, but that's just me lol.
Yeah, that line messed with me for a bit too. It's compelling, but depressing. Even though I have no inside info on the truth, I would prefer to believe that the universe is God's body growing and becoming more complex, not rotting in destruction.
If the universe is god's rotting corpse, then we're the maggots. :-)
I'd have totally been your friend in high school
@First Name Last Name: Is it fun for you; having no idea what people are actually talking about, desperatly trying to spew out some half-baked "joke" anyways, in an obvious attempt at feeling comfortable about your own fragile ego, only to fall flat on your face? Or are you genuinly under the delusion that you are being clever here? I am not sure which is more patethic to be honest.
@@Painocus damn bro
@@Painocus You try harder, if we are being honest.
Painocus This isn't his only "provocative" comment either. Yet another bored troll.
@@Painocus /r/Iamverysmart
"Although acceptance may give you comfort, only the refusal to accept can bring change" (30:23).
Beautifully put, thank you!
wow, wasn't expecting you to actually do a video on Mainländer, cool!
The world being the decaying corpse of God would be an excellent setting for a fantasy novel
Congrats, you missed the whole point!
Someday I'd write something like that
@@piecingconstellations congrats, you’re a “no-fun allowed” killjoy!
"the decaying corpse of god" really reminds me of the big bang theory. That in the begining, everything was concenced into a single point, that imploded in a "big bang" of lightning, where matter scattered across the realm of reality (universe). In a sence, big bang, could be interpreted as Mainländers version of god; with the inevitable heat death of the universe.
Wow, I just found out about Mainländer 2 days ago and was looking for good videos on his thought. Perfect timing, apparently
"To sedate us into accepting the status quo as something acceptable"
I tried writting down what he said at the end part of the video.
"Your suffering is a condemnation of the present state of things and demands for change and although acceptance may give you comfort, only the refusal to accept can bring change. If we realize that change is possible, we also realize pessimism of the kind discussed can often be used as a sedative, beneficial to those who rule over us, to sedate us into accepting the status quo as something inevitable."
The pessimistic ideas do not necessarily state that status quo should remain. It is just admitting that no matter how much you change the system, even if you create the best possible one, some possibility of suffering, unfairness etc. in the world will still remain, suffering to some extent will still be a part of every life, and nothing will ever be fully ideal. The society and other systems should be improved as much as possible, but noone should be tricked into the illusion that it will eliminate all suffering and unfair things in the world down to the last one
@@KateeAngel I think we both agree that suffering will never fully be eliminated. My argument against this type of pessimism is that pragmatically its completely useless and even harmful in a lot of instances. People with this type of mentality tend to put themselves in boxes, kind of creating your own mind prison. Yeah what you're saying might be true, its also not useful in any sense. I would argue that people with this mentality have been mentally defeated.
Excellent quote to emphasize, my friend.
@@Droohie Sorry I just saw this comment now. I guess you can argue that eliminating humans would stop all suffering, but come on now. I might be misreading your comment, but I never said pessimism has its uses. I would argue pessimism is completely useless other than a few truisms. Thinking in that manner will effect the way you act. That's why Mainlander hung himself with his own books. He took his idea's to their logical conclusions and that's the biggest flaw with his idea's. I guess you're right I can't say suffering can never be eliminated, but I just don't see how it could be. I'm definitely not an antinatalist.
Watching this when really high at night is amazing by the way
I hope Chinese with Socialist characteristics is doing well, we missed you this chapter buddy.
i'm still around! i just changed my patreon name to "george soros" because it's funnier!
Haha,it is not a socialist,I hate CCP.
@@litkom8595 cope
Such an odd coincidence: I'm currently reading Weltschmerz - after learning about Mainlander and seeing Beiser wrote a book about him and his fellow pessimists (the value of life is one of the questions that keeps me up a lot), I immediately ordered a copy - and this video pops up in my recommendations. I highly recommend Frederick Beiser's books. I'm obsessed with mid 18th to mid 19th century German philosophy: it is such a rich field of thought, but unfortunately so much of it is largely forgotten; I sincerely believe that many of these philosophers have thoughts on philosophy, religion, culture and linguistics that greatly surpass, or at least complement and reign in, many of the current analytic and continental philosophers. And Beiser is probably the best authority on this time and place in philosophy in the English speaking world.
If I may make some recommendations, I highly recommend Beiser's books "German Idealism: the Struggle Against Subjectivism," "The Fate of Reason: German Philosophy from Kant to Fichte," "Hegel," and, of course, "Weltschmerz: Pessimism in German Philosophy, 1860-1900." Also, check out "German Philosophy: 1760 to 1860" by Terry Pinkard for a very good overview of the period.
Sorry for the rambling post, but this is a very passionate topic for me.
Sorry Doug
Hey, thanks, long been a fan of this time and place.
I've been reading Beiser too, though for different reasons. It's very nice to see these recommendations!
*“We freely acknowledge that what remains after the complete abolition of the Will is, for all who are still full of the Will, assuredly nothing. But also conversely, to those in whom the Will has turned and denied itself, this very real world of ours with all its suns and galaxies, is-nothing.”* (Schopenhauer)
Haha existence go ouch
sounds like a thinker who is more relevant than ever as human civilization is heading towards its eternal peace
Humans and civilizations were always headed that way.
You are quite optimistic
Holy shit larp
Eternal peace ? Hahaahahaha
The human consciousness will cement its life affirming values in eternity via AI, and program it such that it can reproduce in a manner such that it can never be undone. Like trying to put coffee back into a cup after its spilt on a rug. You're optimistic.
I saw a tweet about you saying this guy was your hidden gem or something in that regard, and I have been anticipating this video ever since.
Finally a philosopher who lived/died true to his preachings.
We have same name
@@mustyHead6 wow thats really cool!
@@janmatula1534 also an interesting thing, we both are subscribed to almost same channels lmao. We both are indians (because they also are subscribed to Indian channels).
What an achievements it was 👏
Diogenes too
The Spanish edition you suggested, published by Alianza, is actually a selection from The Philosophy of Redemption, not the complete work. There's a complete translation, however, published by Editorial Xorki, and translated by Manuel Pérez Cornejo. That's the edition to read.
Sabes dónde la puedo conseguir??
@@davidmb1595 Casa del libro latinoamerica
La versión del fondo de cultura a incluso más corta.
@@manuelsalgadopalacios6729 Esa edición es una selección de la obra completa
God damn it
I can't express how real this video is to me. I've spent the last few months trying to sedate myself through this very same idea of the deterministic suffering of life and the longing for the return to nothingness (not in a suicidal tone tho, but more like in a third impact sort of manner). And to be honest, im so exhausted out of this zealous devotion towards pessimism i've been enforcing myself in. The interesting thing tho, is that this video's shift towards the second half, where the focus becomes communism/an utopian society, something that im not as well read in (not that im particularly well read in Schopenhauer), felt like a breath of fresh air in my mind, like a natural evolution of my pessimistic ideals, like i dunno but i was starting to feel my mind stagnating if it makes any sense. Im writing all of this because i feel like im not the only one going through this process of change/growth from pessimistic ideals.
TLTR: Shinji should have accept instrumentality : (
I've loved these videos. I've dabbled in the study of philosophy, but your page has provided valuable information as I look to delve deeper. Keep these coming. I'm a video editor, and for amateur video these are put together so well.
Wow, some really inspiring thought. I'm lucky that I can read him in German.
I really would love to see a full video on Max stirner and his Egoism
Thank you for your Antiquarian and Macabre mindset, it always seems to lead down pathways often overlooked and long forgotten. This, to me at least, is what sets you apart from the rest of Breadtube, who often seem all too happy to just regurgitate the latest media scandal or tread water in the shallows of basic Philosophical and Political currents. You deserve far more subscribers than you have at time of writing, yet, of course, the nature of your content doesn't lend itself to a mainstream audience. I really appreciate your dedication and rigour, we need more of this in the discourse.
This reminds me of the movie "Kicking and Screaming" by Noah Baumbach. Especially the quote by the character Max when he is speaking to Skippy in the townie bar "I'm too nostalgic, I'll admit it." Then Skippy says, " We graduated four months ago, what can you possibly be nostalgic for?" Which Max then replies, " I'm nostalgic for conversations I had yesterday. I've begun reminiscing events before they occur. I'm reminiscing this right now. I can't go to the bar because I've already looked back on it, in my memories , and I didn't have a good time."
This was a beautiful video, thanks for making this on arguably one of the most interesting philosophers. I feel he really did achieve mentally his goal as many don't, he turned bad into good, mud into lotus. I hope he now has his peace forever. I think grand paradox is some of the only worthwhile philosophy.
"I felt serene that I had forged a good sword, but at the same time I felt a cold dread in me for starting on a course more dangerous than any other philosopher before me."
Same feeling I get when I have completed a very capturing book, sad that it is over. Same feeling I get for any experience of nostalgia too.
What a romantically inclined rapturously beautiful mind.
As a Left Nihilist myself, I am reaffirmed that this is an actual political and philosophical view I've been told was madness, what a wonderful contribution to have now been exposed to.
Many thanks.
After reading demon's by dostoevsky I have a question for you - are people on the left more inclined to be nihilists? If so, why do you think that is?
@@makefoxhoundgreatagain842 Not necessarily, most people I've encountered on the Left tend to reject Nihilism; often on the grounds of materialism; I do not understand this objection. The Nihilist movement in Russia, during Dostoevsky's time, was a separate section of Left politics, many of them later joined the Bolsheviks, but we're a separate political grouping that had political and artistic influence on a variety of groups. Most people on the Left I do not find have a nihilist persuassion; often more idealism than anything else, unfortunately, or the dreaded utopianism: he materialists are by far and away more desirable of the three. Nihilists, like Atheists, are more likely to be on the Left, probably, because of the fact that neither of them would be accepted by traditionalist conservatives as they do not accept their premises; the Left tends to be a grab-bag of differing philosophical, ethical, moral, and theological opinions; oft not accepted by traditionalism or conservatism. This does not mean that nihilism is owned by the Left; just that the Left probably would more likely be the place a nihilist would be tolerated; generally.
@@noheroespublishing1907 thanks for the reply my guy, very insightful. I find demons to be very fascinating as it basically encaptured the mindset that led to the USSR, and as dostoevsky himself was a Conservative, traditionalist, religious, he portrayed the revolutionary nihilists of the 1860s who wanted to change society as "demonic."
A lot of people don't know this but the name of the book "demon's" doesn't actually refer to the evil characters but instead the ideology that "possesses" them. In the instance of the book dostoevsky obviously saw nihilism and by extension atheism, socialism, progressivism etc (left wing thought) as demonic.
Where it gets interesting is I would argue that all ideology has the potential to be demonic and dangerous, regardless of what it is.
@@noheroespublishing1907 and the nihilists of the 1860s were men of science, and overwhelmingly atheistic. I totally agree the left tends towards atheism and atheism tends towards the left.
@@makefoxhoundgreatagain842 Nihilism, in many ways, is really the last frontier of the armchair philosopher; it's acceptance into materialism and determinism is the challenge of the philosopher these days.
Love your work! That last line hit me a lot harder than I would have anticipated
Ah that wonder of balancing thesis writing, book writing and everything else in life. Will take what you can produce. :)
Mainlander reminds me a lot of many Augustinian philosophers- pessimists and yet there to help those who struggle. Definitely not only his context at work there.
*Suffering is a condemnation of the present state of things.* YES!
My whole life, I've experienced a lot of pain, misery, misfortune and lonliness. I've always fought against it not in the sense of trying to numb myself, but to change the world that allows for situations like mine to occur in the first place. Suffering in that sense can be useful, almost enlightening but should never be fetishised. Suffering alerts us to social ills, and shouldn't be avoided. I'm always told "stop complaining!" but nothing would improve otherwise. In fact, nothing ever got better without people suffering and basically, going on and on about it until they or the power structure changed it.
I would like this comment a thousand times if I could
@@calebr7199 awww, thankyou :)
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Suffering sometimes has nothing to do with social ills, but with imperfect nature of human body and mind
@@KateeAngel Sometimes, but society is nowhere near that being the majority or even a significant minority of human suffering.
Reminds me a bit of that episode from the show *"Love, Death + Robots"* titled *"Zima Blue".* Like how the core desire of anyone is to go back to where we were; before we were brought into consciousness.
Mainländer is the type of guy who would argue that the most moral action is immediately launching the entire nuclear arsenal of the world at large cities
Sometimes I am in a state of mind that I would argue that the most moral actions would be to immediately sterilise all humans, which would prevent them from thrusting new humans into life potentially full of suffering (without potential for consent from those future humans), and would also solve a problem of human species being extremely destructive towards biosphere in general. I know antinatalists,who would argue for that position always. And I can understand where they are coming from. But every moral judgement is surely subjective, so none should be elevated into the absolute, that is why sometimes I disagree with this particular worldview. Also, authoritarian measures are immoral in many ways, so probably, the most moral scenario would be if all people voluntarily decided to never reproduce anymore. Unfortunately, they won't do it
posadist gang
@@fisticuffs12 beat me to it
POSADISM!
@Anonymous Anonymous Cringe imagine believing anything can be right or wrong. 🙄
Isnt Mainländer, like you describe him, more an optimist than a pessimist?
I mean if life ends inevitably with the end of suffering as well, his world view must be more optimistic than pessimistic.
Interesting how that works. Two sides of the same coin. However, I certainly believe you can turn pessimism into optimism without ending your life.
It could be like this, if you think, Mainländer's conclusion is that everyone will die, we are made for that, but that is not bad, but it is our greatest desire, and when we finally understand it, we can overcome humanity's greatest fear, fear to death. And when we overcome that fear, we can do the better for the others, and we can reach the true peace of the heart.
The important thing is, even if we can't accept it, we all are going to die, and when that happens, we will reach eternal peace, and everyone will have his greatest desire at the last, finally, the will of die is satisfied, and we all are going to satisfy our greatest desire.
@@Krispoksjendksls why would i want to reach true peace of heart, if i will die, it is not important, not more important than any other goal that want to achieve, even if it is the most mundane thing
Yes, the biggest relief in the world is that existence with its ills is not endless. A sentiment so close to me, even though I don't agree with this Mainlander guy. I feel terrible fear when I encounter idea that existence could be endless, but fortunately, I always remind myself that is impossible
The notion of the world beginning whole and then gradually relinquishing that unity over time may well have been influenced by FJW Schelling's 'On the Essence of Human Freedom', which describes a form of inverted Hegelianism where all things begin with the unity of God and then tend inexorably towards chaos and separation. Cheers for another great video and good job on shedding light on a less well-known philosophical figure. Also, cannot recommend Frederick Beiser's work highly enough for English speakers interested in German philosophy - really pleased to see his name mentioned towards the end.
The idea of the absolute as a dialectic - a movement from simplistic whole to plurality, then from the plurality to a complex, fully realised whole - goes all the way back to the German mystic Jacob Boehme. From the mid 16th to early 17th century, he wrote a series of controversial writings about a series of visions he experienced. This made him pretty unpopular with orthodox Lutherans, but he has had an incredible influence nonetheless on philosophy, theology and theosophy.
I’m glad to see Schopenhauer make a return on the channel, and his thought.
Bagath Singh 👍
@@nareshgodoy2186It's Bhagat Singh, actually
My instinct was tingling that today gonna be new video!
Thank you for another great video! It really ended on an inspiring note :)
This was the most personal video of yours for me. I had a similar experience with philosophical pessimism in high school, after watching the show True Detective and becoming fascinated with the belief's of the character Rust. I started reading Thomas Ligotti's "The Conspiracy Against the Human Race" in the summer between the end of high school and the start of my first year of college and basically suffered an extremely painful total mental breakdown as result of it. Since then, most of my interests intellectually have been in attempting to refute the beliefs I had during that time and especially pessimism. It led me deeper into radically emancipatory politics and philosophies of sympathy, compassion, and pluralism. But most significantly, after reading "Atheism in Christianity" by the marxist theologian Ernst Bloch and discovering through him other radical theologians like Jurgen Moltmann and Thomas Muntzer, a sort of radically anarchist Franciscan Christianity has been my foundation.
Mainländer, to me, is the only pessimist I can truly stand at this point, both because of his politics of sympathy and because, despite how harsh this may sound, he took the philosophy to the only natural end goal. All the others seem to be people who have never known true suffering, but feel the need to spread a philosophy that robs life of any splendor. The best medicine to pessimism I've found is Nietzsche in the Gay Science, in poem 24 in "Prelude in German Rhymes", but also in the last line of proverb 48 of Book One, titled "Knowledge of Misery". In it, Nietzsche ends a short and sweet critique of pessimism with a line that sticks with me: "The recipe against "misery" is MISERY". It is only through knowing A.) that suffering does not make life not worth living and B.) that others, both in the modern world and in the ancient past, have suffered in far worse ways than I ever could have and can still continue to find life not only tolerable, but a grand and beautiful adventure, that you can truly get away from pessimism. Thank you Cuck for all that you do and I can't wait for the next video and the book. Solidarity forever.
I never encountered philosophical pessimism until recently, but shortly after becoming an atheist in high school, I too discovered Christian anarchism - in my case, via the Berrigans, Dorothy Day, Jim Forrest, Thomas Merton, etc., as well as various folks such as Bonhoeffer and Girard.
I haven't studied them terribly much, but I find writers like Cioran, Camus, and John Gray fascinating for how they complement radical Christian philosophy.
@Ali Dehaybes If someone really believes that life is inherently suffering, that to have never been born is preferable to life, that death is the state to longed for, what is the point of writing any of that down and publishing it? It comes from a place of the highest privilege to be able to write and think deeply on the supposed suffering existence, to have the time to do those things. You won't find many true pessimists among the oppressed, who suffer the most. To even get to the point of being able to learn about this stuff requires wealth, time, and education. So who is this then written for? It is written for other depressed middle class or elites who have imagined a degree of suffering inherent to life that the majority of the rest of the species can't see. And so by writing it down, by continuing to live and publish, one only creates more sorrow for others who might not have otherwise become pessimists. It seems hypocritical on the part of the author's of these texts to spend their lives (the thing they see no value in) preaching the lack of value in life rather than doing what Mainlaender did. But to clarify, if not saying they should be censored or anything like that. But it just seems to me to be a hypocritical paradox in the philosophy itself if any of its adherents continue to live and publish. People can be pessimists and not take their own life and can continue living normally aside from their philosophy, but that only seems to confirm that some part of the philosophy is fundamentally incorrect in some way or another.
@Ali Dehaybes I wouldn't say the pessimists WANT to make people miserable in an intentional way, so I don't despise them no. They do so none the less, but it isn't a conscious intent. I empathize with them, but think they're deeply wrong. The middle classes can experience suffering as all people can and can talk about suffering, but their suffering is marginal compared to those of the lower classes. For someone with a high level of privilege to call life a disease is extremely paradoxical. I also wouldn't say I think its consistently a paradox to publish a philosophy and not practice it. It depends on philosophy. But pessimism is paradoxical in that it claims death to be a preferable state to life and that life's suffering is essentially pointless, but it's thinkers rarely follow through on those beliefs. That isn't a failure on their part as human beings and I hope they wouldn't commit suicide. The fact that they don't follow through reveals a fundamental issue between their conception of the world and how it is actually lived in.
Like you I also suffered a mental breakdown in my first year of college, in my case after a painful personal experience and reading the Man in the Underground by Dostoevsky. For me though what led me out of that hole I found myself in was Kierkegaard and his emphasis on faith.
@@A_Really_Cool_Guy That's very strange seen as I'm not educated actually i cant even spell properly and I've managed to learn about this on my own and as for wealth i wouldn't say I've even got that and I actually love thomas lagotti's book it's the only thing that as given me a bit of comfort on my deep dark days when I've been in so much pain that I've considered suicide almost every day. Just because it gave you a breakdown try and not go flinging insults as it actually helps some of us privileged mother fuckers.... Seriously what do you know
Just watched this and your K-Pop video. Brilliant. You've got another subscriber. Man, the internet.
Also, just from my point of view, please don't try to put out content more often. These videos need a lot of time to think over and re-watch (and must be many times more time consuming to put together). I'd rather have good videos like this every month or two rather than you burn yourself out.
All the best.
Tremendous video essay. Love the background music too, very fitting.
Finally someone make a video about this man.
33:29 I KNEW IT,
Bet it’s not the real one! 😂
Mainlander philosophy at least purports that human life have meaning and purpose, being a colaborator on the cosmic evolution toward nothingness.
And also one at one it seems hard to fail, so in a relative way he was an optimist.
This is clicking too much with me and im starting to freak out
This video comes at the right time for me - I've been reading and thinking about Buddhist philosophy a lot recently, which (as mentioned) is heavily invested in ideas of letting go and giving up worldly attachments which should run counter to any political project. And yet, I hold some hope for a better world even if it will never be a perfect world.
I couldn't quite articulate a distinction that makes sense of this, but the concluding thoughts regarding the types of sufferings seem particularly poignant. Not all suffering is "the course of events," merely the way things have to be, but can be that "condemnation of the state of things." Where does this suffering sit socially/historically? Who benefits? Why are those with privilege telling those without it that suffering is unavoidable but retaining their privilege?
Refusal to accept some kinds of suffering while acknowledging some kinds demand only acceptance then becomes a razor's edge, but hopefully one I can continue to walk.
really glad you did a full video on Mainländer, I read a little about him after you mentioned him in one of your previous videos. if he were alive today he'd definitely be into building gaming PCs or whatever. what stroke size are you using on your text? it looks hilarious
i can't believe that someone finally put my feelings into words. since my first language is Spanish I'm absolutely reading this as soon as possible.
Wow great video as always. The insights at the end there were very well put
The background soundtrack by Yavin Aalto perfectly complements your video. Kudos.
Love your videos man, as a mexican computer science student ive found your channel to be an amazing source of new points of view and it has helped me to better grasp some philosophical ideas. I also find the underlying positive aspect they have (even if sometimes they contrast with darker stuff like in this video) to be a great answer to the undoubtedly big need modern times have for something that unites us
Really enjoyed this video, will try to find a copy in spanish of his book
Your videos are mind blowing. I found your channel due to my political interests and views, but through your channel I have also discovered how incredible, beautiful, and powerful philosophy is. Thank you for all that you do, comrade. ✊💜
This guy is the real version of the made up religion on death consciousness by have a nice life
I don't think the Antiocheans were made up. Reading the booklet, it seems that theyre an obscure and mysterious religion, but there's also some historical backing for their existence.
@@lucasortengren3844 its fiction. Dan confirmed this on Formspring, way back in the day.
@@Quitu1849 It's both. They were real but did not believe anything contained in the Deathconsciousness booklet.
@@Quitu1849 so the whole "books of horror and longing" like don't exist at all?
@@lucasortengren3844 I think they don't. I remember searching in vain for the "quotes", I couldn't track anything
Great video, learned a lot. An interesting character, such great belief in pessimism and certainty of it that once he wrote what he thought was his greatest work, he killed himself. For me, pessimism is the certainty that there is no room for improvement. Yet, he advocated for the reduction of suffering among the living.
Oh, this is just The End of Evangelion
The Human Instrumentality Project was the attempt to fulfill the void inherent in every human heart by melding their corporeal bodies into a single entity. Totally the opposite of Mäinlander.
Naw, this was more like Texhnolyze crammed into a 30 min video.
No... This is the definition of "Texhnolyze"
@@marchdarkenotp3346 and the project fell apart because even Shinji the most traumatized character in need for connection of the entire cast realized his individual existence has more value.
I think the most similar thing related to Mainlander could be Ubbo Sathla.
Every single one of your videos reminds me of how glad I can be to have German as my mother tongue.
Thanks for your great output!
Oh god, I envy you. Two of my favourite philosophers are German: Kant and Heidegger. I've tried learning German, but about all I can do is read select quotes from their philosophies and the odd poem by Rilke.
Thanks for your amazing content. Now about that Stirner video... ;)
This is vulnerable. Respect. That's something I try to do with my work as well.
Great video, as always.
please upload more often I love your videos
my favourite video of yours. thank you
This is your best one. Many autistic people, including my partner and myself, have found resonance in brutal pessimism due to systemic inequality and a world that either patronises us or deems us unworthy of living. Moving beyond that is vital to prevent young autistic people radicalising. I am working on de-radicalisation materials for autistic young people who are groomed by the far right and I'd love to use this video in order to strengthen my argument.
Proud of you. xxx
Now that's based
Holy bullshit If I've ever seen it in my life. Autsitic people are one of the most protected groups out there. Autists get support, shit for free, everything is adapted to their needs. One thing I've noticed with autistic people is this self righteous centered thought of being a marginalized group???? And a incredible strong ego
Sometimes I can't notice the difference between autist and narcissistic personality. There is this behaviour with autists that's so victim based and where being a victim is more of an ideology than anything else
All autistic people I've meet act exactly as an neurotypical when it comes to stimuli. There is very few cases with autism where the person has unique thoughts compared to neurotypicals and doesn't react differently toward stimuli and understand appropriate behaviour which is weird. This shouldn't be the case. Autists should not be able to conform to "normal" behaviour or understand it either
There is something wrong with the current rate of diagnosis in regards with autism. It is being overdiagnosed
It's ironic because this willpower to silence the pain is exactly the reason why people chase after diagnosis, this will to rationalize life itself and how one may interpreted life differently compared to others and thus with this "rationalize" thought of getting a piece of paper "explaining" to oneself why ones behaviour is like it is has made you to find a partner which can also silent the pain in the same way through this piece of paper validating both believes of "being different" but also having "balance"
@@bergsdal
Your comment is incredibly presumptive and insulting and you should probably take your hot takes and armchair clinical psychology elsewhere.
@@bergsdal Well isn't this comment a Pandora's box of misinformation. Saying autistic people are "the most protected" group (they're not, when you consider how more likely they are to be abused, face unemployment more, suffer the cruelties of institutionalisation, etc) is like saying wheelchair users are not marginalised because public transport is accessible and wheelchair ramps exist. It's clear that you are also misinformed in that you seem to believe that the world revolves around them. I'm sure autistics will think spontaneity and irregular hours, overwhelming sensory stimuli, and the use of vague communication is really catering to them. The examples I've listed are the result of systemic ableism and it certainly has nothing to do with being a "victim". I'm beginning to think that "victim" is a catchall term used to deflect conversations on any hegemonic social order.
On your second point, I agree that no two autistic people are alike. However, issues with sensory processing, which I understand is what you're trying to explain, is often co-morbid. You could stipulate that those autistics you met either didn't have issues with stimuli or did but had suppressed them. I also agree that autistics shouldn't have to conform either, but the world is like a puzzle box where they are pieces that do not fit (see Garland-Thomson's idea of the "misfit", since we're commenting on a philosophy video). The medical model prioritises the notion that disability is caused by the individual's impairment and and focuses on "treating" the person's impairments instead of changing the barriers in society which are fundamental to a person's disability (the social model).
For obvious reasons, your assertion that autism is overdiagnosed is untrue. In fact, evidence points to there existing disparities in autism diagnoses where females, people of colour, and working class people are underrepresented. The deal with "chasing a diagnosis" has more to do with autistic people being able to access support and certainly many will find comfort with being professionally diagnosed (I'm not keen on self-diagnosis). It's a mistake to assume that the source of pain comes from the impairment itself (differentiated from disability) and I'd argue from a materialist perspective that the source of most issues for disabled people comes from society "disabling" us.
@@billhicks8 It's based on studies I've read. Can dig em up no problem.
And irl experiences I've had with people that are autistic and friendships which has gone on for years mind you.
It shouldn't be taken as insulting which is what I mean with this victim ideology that has taken hold with not only people that are autistic but with sociaty as a whole but I have noticed a trend with autistic individuals that they feel victimized when I cannot find any real basis for that other than people tell them to act like victims if anything.
What i've found and read in regards of attitude towards autistic individuals from the general public and public opinon is that the average person doesn't doesn't really care and which feel sympathy if anything for autistic people that struggle in the western world and day to day life.
I have never ever met anyone that has hard feelings toward autistic individuals besides one common complaint I've read on the internet but that I have never heard anyone say irl where people gladly help autistic individuals
Greetings from Colombia!! Amazing
Congratulations for finishing this video!
Felicidades, excelente trabajo de divulgación
a few things
- heed the cw (in the case you are about to watch this vid but are reading comments first lol), there's very existential discussion of suicide in this one, if ur in a very dark mood, don't do it bruh
- decaying body of a god is such cool imagery
- I kinda needed this, so thanks
- you BTFO'd Schopenhauer by applying material analysis to his conditions, boss move.
- anyways, thanks again, you explain things so well. I've been watching some of your older videos recently (the Baudrillard ones mostly) so this was a nice surprise.
"there's very existential discussion of suicide in this one, if ur in a very dark mood, don't do it bruh" Mainlander would not necesarily agree with you xP
I watched this entire depressing video just to see him read out Tendies123 at the end. I was not disappointed.
anxious for the next video!
True been too many months
I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL - WE NEED YOU, WE NEED THE GORGEOUS CONTENT
I remember the feeling of depression. Most horrible feeling ever.
So glad he’s finally getting translated
Thanks for the ending thought, especially.
finally, some good content for a change
Also, if you wish to learn more about pessimism, I suggest you read Saltus' "Philosophy of Disenchantment" and "Anatomy of Negation"