What Lenovo don’t tell us! Gaming performance of the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 Pro X
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- čas přidán 20. 07. 2024
- Exploring the Power draw and a significant flaw of the new Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 Pro X (Lenovo Slim 7 Pro X in the US) and testing gaming performance. It does not discount the laptop in any way but its really a communicative issue on Lenovo's end which I've addressed with them (response from them included in the video).
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Do note that this is specific comparison testing for this device and I do intend to optimize performance against other laptops in the future.
Lenovo X Power engineering link:
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Timestamps
0:00 Intro
1:00 Issue explanation & analysis
2:20 Conversation with Lenovo
4:20 Lenovo Vantage Power settings explained
4:53 Power draw and temps during gaming
5:23 GPU Core Clock and voltages
6:04 Gaming Benchmarks intro
6:45 Shadow of the Tomb raider
7:20 Cyberpunk
7:50 Civilization VI
8:13 3DMARK Firestrike
8:26 Benchmark Summary & results
8:48 Summary and recommendations
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This is really helpful!
I didn't know that a battery drain while charging is actually harmful to battery life.
My Slim 7 Pro X arrived two days ago and I didn't even notice the two intelligent cooling modes. I would really appreciate a video about tweaks of the CPU and GPU since I basically don't know anything about it.
Thanks for the work!!
Thank you for your detailed video! I would love to see another one about undervolting, as I will receive the laptop myself in a few days
this was a surprisingly very detailed and well made video for the number of subscribers, very helpful, great job!
Thanks a lot for this video. I am looking to buy this and you are seriously helping me. And yes I would be very interested in a video where you are optimising the GPU.
Really nice video!! That battery drain in Performance, is something to have in mind, but not the end of the world... thanks for sharing!
Thank you! I completely agree, but they should really inform about this fact as some people might always opt for max performance and thereby decrease the lifetime of the battery. I hope that this video might help show people that Int.cool shows the same performance in real world applications without using the battery to the same extent :)
Thanks for the very helpful information!
I always highly appreciate manufacturers using type c 100w pd charger which is good for users because of its convenience, compactness and high portability.But that is with the right configuration and the right way to optimize power, and with lenovo and this slim 7 pro x laptop, the story is completely different. 6800hs is not a chip in amd's power-saving chip line, the standard 35w tdp sometimes uses up to 45-60w turbo boost and a 3050 dgpu also needs nearly 50w, 3k 120hz screen, power for the system and peripherals if using them . It is not difficult to guess that this laptop will consume more than 100w and will squeeze out the battery if let run at max performance because I myself also use a lenovo thinkbook 15 g2 itl with i5 1135g7 max 28w, mx450 25w, fullhd screen and 18w charge for my phone via thunderbolt port 4.I noticed my device was charging slowly then started to drain battery, performance decreased and battery temperature increased. I really like my laptop and was trying to figure out the bug or something affecting it , finally I realized it was the cpu tdp that was really too hard to control so I turned off turbo boost . From using up to 40w it drops to 15w, the system is cooler and the battery is charged again. I accept the loss of cpu's performance to make the system more stable. I hope my sharing will help you choose the right laptop
This is exactly what I was looking for online - the Yoga slim 7 pro X looks strong in specs in paper - but I have concerns about its lasting performance and noise.
thanks.
Glad to hear it! I believe they have overhyped their solution, but I’m still very satisfied but have some further tweaking to do. Noise is as always an issue when gaming on a laptop, but I’m looking at ways to cap it at 40db without to much performance loss
Thanks for yet another great video. Would be interesting to see a video about lowering the CPU performance in favor of a cooler and more silent running laptop.
Hey! Thanks! Yes will certainly do so! I believe we can find a way to reduce heat and noise without sacrificing to much performance :)
@@WattPerformance very interested in this! Is there any way to chat to you? I have a few things to discuss as I've had this laptop for a while too
@@prodrectifies
I've disabled unnecessary start up apps that run in the background like one drive etc, refresh rate 60hz, brightness just over 55%, using edge (better on battery), i changed the power saving mode on windows to be on always, changed power profile to battery saving, keyboard back light off when just watching videos
@@prodrectifies I did however swap out the WiFi card to an Intel AX210, i don't know if that makes a difference
@@prodrectifies I've also uninstalled a lot of bloat likes mcafee and other bits that came installed
Hi really nice video, how do u think overall about this slim 7 pro X, i am gonna grab this laptop next week? Btw I watched your all videos.
I’m very pleased with it :) some kinks as expected for a new laptop but definitely a keeper!
Great video.
Is this a Ryzen 7 or 9?
Can you do a lot more gaming performance for major game ?? I’m on the fence but not sure how much it can push in term of gaming
Thanks a lot for your analysis, I was confused at first with these modes. By the way your Slim 7 pro still works great or you've faced some other issues?
Yes it still works great and really like the laptop and the design
Can you open the back cover to show upgradeable parts and show the other parts?
Hi, I think this information may help you:
As I read on some Chinese Social networks (Weibo,..), the Pro X can take advantage of the Legion 135W AC adapter. They said that they implemented a secret protocol for the laptop USB C to use up to 135W, especially when charging the battery during heavy tasks. But that only applies to the Legion 135W AC adapter.
Because I am about to buy this laptop so I read about it. You may try it if you like.
Interesting! Lenovo should have included this charger for this laptop!
@@WattPerformance Haha, the charger named Legion, so I guess their gaming line laptop Lenovo Legion may use it? But it's strange anyways. those laptops requires 230w or even 300w :)))
@@huybuianh4229 Do you have a link to the charger? All the chargers that I can find on Lenovo's website are 200W and higher.
But those aren't USB Type C tipped. Unless there is some mythical adapter or something I'm missing here.
@@RorschDG-2 This may be the one, item.lenovo.com.cn/product/1020739.html
But its only the charger that has USB-C and it seems like you need the standard slim tipped connector for the laptop to recieve 135W, not USB-C.
thank you so much for this info!
I'm waiting for the computer to come home and was a scared about the information that the system eats from the battery even when the computer is plugged into power. This must be considered a serious design flaw.
Thinking, what happens if you have extreme performance mod, and the battery runs out? Will it be CPU throttle? Frame drops?
If I understand you correctly, the battery will not be affected in extreme performance mod as long as you only use an external monitor?
What does extreme performance mod really mean? Surely you want this activated when you render a movie in Premiere Pro? It would be very unfortunate if you are traveling and need to render a movie, and do not have access to an external screen. It would be a disaster to have to buy a portable external screen.
I would not be to worried in your usecases. When rendering in davinci it never drains the battery as the system isn’t capped to max. Only noticed it when gaming intensive games.
Also intelligent cooling vs extreme performance doesn’t provide a lot of performance loss but a cooler and quieter laptop. See my video about X Power :)
lenovo yoga slim 7 pro x or lenovo thinkbook 16p g2? for graphic design and music production?
Have you looked into any of the Reddit posts around changing the BIOS setting to get USB 4 to work?
I have this but mine is extremely sluggish on regular use when unplugged. Did I get a defective one?
How does the screen brightness setting affect these results? Maximum brightness is pretty high, at 400 nits.
Hi, my battery is still draining when I plugged in even at intelligent cooling, I just play League of Legends, what should I do?
How many hours battery life are you getting for just normal day-to-day use (not gaming)?
Can I keep it in intelligent cooling (performance off) 100% of the time? I don’t play very intense games
veryyyy interesting!!!
i just wonder why they did not think about 130 charging brick
Indeed!
I’m getting the version without the dGPU. Could I get away with a smaller usb c charger than the 100w one it comes with? How many watts would be enough for the CPU and the rest of the components without it leeching from battery?
If you stick with intelligent cooling you could likely get away with ~80W. The cpu can draw up to 55W +around 30W overhead for screen for a short burst but should settle below that after the first seconds-burst. Would opt for 90W though
Hello thank you for this so would you not recommend it compared to competitors such as the new Envy 17 with rtx 2050?
MFG Joseph 👌👍
I would! I have not tested the Envy but the Pavilion Aero. For me 14.5" is a very good middleground in terms of portability and screen real estate, and the build quality is excellent. But it all comes down to your preference and size demands :)
Hi there, love the video, but i am left a little bit confused. Would you care to explain in a bit further detail what you mean by "perf on"? Is this simply activating the automatic switching? I noticed this issue on my own when trying out my pc which just arrived, and was extremely close to returning it. Your solution here seems interresting. Lovely video, thanks for your further help.
Also, when i test this (performance mode, vs intelligent cooling with automatic switching) i find huge performance gabs in heaven benchmark. 12 FPS in difference. This is quite off your findings, any reason why?
@@BirkChristensen-ur1jt certainly! As to your last question, have you enabled intelligent cooling with automatic switching to performance mode if the laptop notices the need for more performance? That could be the reason for why your results are off.
As to the first point, I’ve also noticed that the power draw is larger than the charger can supply even when going with intelligent cooling with the automatic switching to performance. I’ve solved this in my next two videos (disabling cpu boost when gaming and undervolting the GPU). This is very easy once done and simple switches of the button.
But, it does require fidgeting and if that is not cup of tea, the issue remains from the supplier where their response is inadequate. So do keep in mind that it will draw on the battery when needed if you don’t customize cpu/GPU and consider returning if that is to cumbersome for you. I like these tuning aspects but that’s not for everyone :)
I do really like the build, screen and performance (with my mods) so I have not found a superior offering elsewhere (especially not in the price class).
Also check time stamp 4:40 to see what perf on means (it’s that tick box)
@@WattPerformance Quick answer with specific instructions! Lovely, you got youself a new subscriber. Yes, i have indeed turned the button on, which enables automatic switching to performance mode when running heaven benchmark. I'll get about 75 FPS on performance mode, (1920p, high quality), but only 63 FPS on intelligent cooling with the switch turned on. I've repeated the test 3 times on both settings, and the results seem stable. I am very new to computerhardware, and i've done 0 software work before, so tuning will a little over my league i'm afraid. Also, i'll be using the computer for college mainly, so gaming will be a sidething whenever there's time. The power draw is just super alarming. Did you, youself run heaven, or "just" try out real applications for your test? Thank you for your time and help!
@@WattPerformance I have the Intel version, perhabs that could be the issue?
Hi can you do a quick check if the 16gb lpddr5 is 2x8 or 1x16? As in is it 2x32 or 4x32 in CPU-Z?
It's dual lpddr5 soldered.
Somebody on reddit said they use a 135W thinkpad power supply and that it works, it was in that thread somebody linked this video and thats how I got here.
Interesting! May be that the charger was released later and it does work. When I enquired with them they stated that there was a hard limit at 100W. I’ve also tried using a third party 140W usb charger with the new Yoga Pro 7 but that got capped at 100W (even though the new yoga pro ships with a 130W charger that works).
Great find!
I'm about to buy the laptop, how's the overall build and is the SSD swappable?
And does it support a pen?
The build quality is excellent and very sturdy and rigid. My previous laptop was a HP Aero and it was to flimsy and to much of a plastic feel for me so this was a excellent uplift. Uncertain of pen functionality as I've the non-touch screen.The SSD is swapable I believe, see this review where they open it up:
czcams.com/video/H-fWHF2iQyE/video.html
Hi, what do you think now about this laptop after 1 year of use? Can you connect to TWO external monitors (EXTEND mode)?
Still a fantastic laptop, haven’t tried two monitors I’m afraid
Supplying a charger that can't keep the system from draining is a serious flaw on Lenovo's part, and this is without accounting for their OC utility that let you boost the GPU even higher.
Agreed! One thing would be if they very clearly informed about it but better to simply supply a slightly stronger charger. Which GPU OC utility for Lenovo?
@@WattPerformance Lenovo Smart Engine, letting you boost GPU clock by 200mHz and VRAM by 400mHz. It's only out in China so far.
Interesting! found a clip about it www.bilibili.com/video/BV1hT4y1d7oM/
Interesting to learn whether some of this "X-Power" actually is related to this smart engine that is currently unavailable for those outside China. In the meanwhile, I will play around with CPU and GPU settings :)
Can you tell me how is the experience for the palmrest, as it uses aluminium chassis? I have HP envy 13 X360, the palmrest is so uncomfortably hot.
No issues whatsoever with the palmrest in my opinion. But while gaming without CPU boost disabled, the top area of the computer nearest the screen does get hot
@@WattPerformance so, the heat does not spread to the palmrest area from that spot?
@@adiesatriyonirbito2886 no I haven’t experienced this. Would also recommend raising the computer 1cm in the back when gaming for better cooling
@@WattPerformance thanks for the information
I'm shocked that Lenovo didn't bother with doing something that Dell did with their USB-C Protocol. IIRC, Dell and Wacom are the only two companies that have a 130 Watt PSU over USB Type-C. Looks like Lenovo is just going to wait for the USB-C 240 Watt charging to become widely available next year and just go from there. Unlike Dell and Wacom who took matters into their own hands.
I agree!
eh no excuse for that, i remeber razer had the same issue a wile back on their gaming laptops.
Hi. Does this model have an i7-1260p and Non-Touch anti glare option by any means. Thank you.
non-touch anti glare yes, but it has then Ryzen 6800HS
@@WattPerformance Great , This laptop has the perfect screen size for my usage.
And btw does that model have 120hz refresh rate ?. Thanks
@@s.abhisheknarayanan9909 yes
6800hs CPU in test?
does it support adaptive sync on external monitors?
I've not tested it as of yet, but I believe so considering that the 3050 supports adaptive sync. Just need to ensure that the cable you use also supports it
I have this PC and I have a promblem on the other end. I just use it for office stuff and I have a Thunderbot dock that delivers 60 Watts or so. Which is fine for my use. But when it reboots it get stuck in a stupid Bios screen complaining about low power delivery from the dock. Do you know if 90W will be ok for this stupid PC to stop complaining?
Fyi lenovo uses 135watt limit to their lineup it's not their fault you use 100watt or 65 watt ofc it will go to drain cuz no juice.... Plus this also happens with legion lineup when going from 300 to 230w charger it will drain the battery
I would strongly disagree as:
1) Lenovo only provides the Lenovo 100W charger with the purchase
2) They do not inform that using officially supplied charger will drain the battery in performance mode
3) When speaking to their support they only state that 100W charging is officially supported by the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 Pro X, so using another charger would be going against their set limits and instructions (No Yoga charger is available for +100W only the Legion which is another series)
@@lindstroem4 well yup 100w is the charger specifed for this product.. sorry about that thought all had 135w ada with it
@@ahmedabbaker5569 No worries at all!
Can this laptop accept higher wattage charging from third party charger?
I’m afraid it does not work
if Intelligent cooling is used while gaming/ other power intensive apps, can I guarantee that no battery drain will occur and my battery will remain healthy? so I can confidently game without any worries?
Yes if you disable the option for Lenovo Vantage to automatically activate performance mode when it notices the need while in intelligent cooling you are completely safe.
@@WattPerformancethanks for the help man! I really appreciate these kind of videos ❤
I got 10 hours ~ gpu disabled, boast disabled, undervolt -15, screen 50%, battery saver mode, 720 youtube wifi
What is the tgp of rtx 3050 in this laptop?
35w +15-20w boost depending on how much the CPU draws
@@WattPerformance ty, and does 6800hs provide slightly better battery backup comparing 6900hs or its just the performance difference? Also is it worth upgrading the cpu to 6900hs from 6800hs?
@@Chasedarrow haven’t had the chance to test the 6900HS but generally they are the top bin and can boost higher with the same voltages so they should provide a few % better performance for quite a lot of extra cash. Battery life should not differ between them. You can look at tests for 4000 and 5000 8-series and 9-series for a rough estimate. Also the 9-series are possible to undervolt (fairly complex though so not for standard user) which the 8-series does not seem to support (at least not by 3rd party programs yet)
I just called Lenovo and canceled the order. Doesn't matter how good this laptop is, if it has problems with charging and also for some even freezes. The computer is not cheap either. I'm leaning more and more towards buying a Macbook - even though I don't want MAC OS. Also very disappointed with the Lenovo website where my recent orders are not visible, and not after 10 days of waiting, and despite contact with support who don't seem to see a problem. Unbelievable.
MacOS is great if onky you don't do gaming outside Steam and even then there are still ganes on Steam that only run on Windows. You could try other brands. Asus, for example, is pretty much one of the best and at a decent price for gaming laptops.
@@Hardcore_Remixer For some casual useres maybe it is. I have a Macook at work , and I can say windows is more logic and easier to use. Sorry to say.
Unfortunately MacOS is not option for me since I need software like ansys, solidwork, CATIA etc
Fingerprint magnet.....wish they made it in lighter colors
Freezing laptop and to small charger - I think I call Lenovo tomorrow and cancell order - and hope I can cancell it. Think I get a Macbook anyway. There dosent seams to be a good Winddows laptop out there.
What did you get in the end? And are you happy with your purchase?