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Don Bradley, The Lost 116 Pages of The Book of Mormon
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- čas přidán 26. 11. 2020
- 'The Lost 116 Pages'
- The Brass Plates May have been originated by Joseph of Egypt in Egyptian
- The Sword of Laban may also be from Joseph & Joshua
- Both Moroni and The Brother of Jared appear to have left a physical 'seal' on the Plates of Gold.
- The Book of Mormon comes to light on key dates of Jewish festivals.
The Lost 116 Pages: Reconstructing the Book of Mormon's Missing Stories- amzn.to/2Je1fMz This book is a must read!
Website- www.cwicmedia.com
Don Bradley is an author and independent historian specializing in the beginnings of the Latter-day Saint Restoration movement. He completed a Bachelor's in History at BYU and a Master's in History at Utah State University, where he wrote his thesis on "American Proto-Zionism and the 'Book of Lehi': Recontextualizing the Rise of Mormonism." Don has performed an internship with the Joseph Smith Papers Project working with the earliest Joseph Smith sources. He was the primary researcher for Brian C. Hales's Joseph Smith's Polygamy series. He has published on the translation of the Book of Mormon, polygamy before Nauvoo, Joseph Smith's "grand fundamental principles of Mormonism," and the Kinderhook plates, and has forthcoming works on the Kinderhook plates and Joseph Smith's First Vision. His book The Lost 116 Pages: Reconstructing the Book of Mormon's Missing Stories was released fall 2019. He lives in Springville, Utah.
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Greg Matsen
thank you for this fascinating video! The more I learn, the more amazed and grateful I am for Joseph Smith and the restored gospel. I appreciate all of the hard work and effort you put in to provide us, me, strangers, with inspiring content.
Glad you enjoyed it!
As a Gospel Doctrine and Early Morning Seminary teacher I was fond of saying that if you wanted to really understand the Book of Mormon that you needed to read and reread the Old Testament. This discussion has given me even more conviction that that statement is spot on. Thank you!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Interestingly, Joseph Smith was drawn to language, but not the classical languages of Greek and Latin, but to Hebrew, the language of the OT, and of course to Egyptian.
I learn so much from you. This is a wonderful podcast. There’s so much to learn, we’re barely scratching the surface. Seeing the numbers 40, 7, just puts more evidence that Heavenly Father uses a calendar. It amazing!
Thank You and your guest very much!
I'm glad you liked it.
Really enjoyed the content of this episode. I’m picking up his book and will be reading it soon. There is one thing I’d like to point out. You suggested that the seal enclosing the sealed portion of the
Jaredite record was similar to the Aztec calendar. The Aztec borrowed its calendar from the Mayans who borrowed it from the Olmecs. The funny thing is the Olmec civilization’s rise and fall time period coincides quite nicely with that of the Jeredite civilization. Food for thought.
Thankyou Greg for all your sharing of hidden treasures of knowledge. Thankyou Don for your diligent sharing of your talent to help others to a knowledge of truth. You guys must have kept the Word of Wisdom throughout your lives, thankyoju very much. Going to look up Don's book now.
The book is great!
Greg! We need more videos like this. I loved it. Our church history, the gospel in total has such an amazing past. It is like an onion with its incredible layers. Thank you.
So many layers!
Your best podcast yet. Thanks so much for all you do. Keep them coming. Fascinating.
Glad you liked it!
There is a definite parallel between David and Goliath and Nephi and Laban. Also between the swords of the same.
Joseph Smith used two sets of plates: the golden plates and the small plates of Nephi. This accounts for differences in the descriptions of the size of the plates.
Thanks for the video. I am reading the book now.
Thoughts to this point:
- Martin Harris: the character sketch in this book seems to say he was almost giddy to over exuberance to share what he was learning. How many of us react the same, and then miss out on deeper points and meanings that might have been received if things had been 'held closer to the vest' and waited for God's timing on the reveal of something and on the completion of the lesson being given?
Also a comparison between Martin Harris and Amulek: both were supporters of the prophet, both were ostracized to some level by their families and community, both were blessed by God in the end but had some repenting to do in the process.
- Plates: Did Moriancumer make plates, or was his original record of some other method? Did Ether draw on this tradition from his culture? Was he a custodian for plates of the people of Jared? The plates that he left and were found by the people of Limhi, were they sealed unto God, and thus passed in the same pattern as discussed from Moroni to God to Joseph Smith?
Presuming Joseph son of Jacob is the source of the brass plates, where did he get the idea of plates?
Were they a common tool, post Noah? {Wayne May talks much of the Adena culture's abilities with metal working.}
- The sword and the plates: could it be said that the sword was passed down as a token of and protective tool for the custodian of the brass plates? Then when Nephi received this position he added more plates, both large and small, each custodian adding to the plates, and this collection and sword passed on until it came to Mormon, and then Moroni? Then to Joseph Smith, with Moroni still acting in the background? (re. the story's of the repository in Cumorah, and the two times the sword was seen there.)
- Contents and message of the lost pages: Reading through the book so far, it seems to me that the contents of the lost pages/first section of Mormon's plates are about a rebuilding of A nation of covenant Israel, 'patterned after the old one.' As such, while still important, it is of lesser value today compared to the rest the book. IE: Mormon's narrative of establishing a good republic; dealing with secret combinations seeking for power; surviving the collapse of society prior to the coming of Jesus Christ; the witness and record of Jesus' ministry and aftermath; Mormon's own dealing with a collapsing society. Add Moroni's recital of the Jaredite society's struggles with the same issues, and his notes on establishing the church. Then add the replacement section that is by Nephi's admission more focused on the Witness of Christ as the messiah and Lamb of God, and his Gospel and gathering of covenant Israel, than on the history. (Relating this to the above, IMO the small plates could be considered a worthy addition to the brass plates in their scriptural value.)
Do not take this as a dismissal of what is missing, but rather an acknowledging of the wisdom of God in preparing a record, that I personally expect will be eventually (after the second coming) released in full to the world at large, that is until then to prepare a people for the time they live in.
Many thanks for sharing this...I love it..it's fascinating
Good stuff!
OMGOSH! I'm gonna get the book and read it ASAP! Thanks so much for this.
Good idea!
It's a really good book
I love learning about this. I would really love it if you would consider interviewing Rod Meldrum, Wayne May, Jonathan Neville who can add the Book of Mormon heartland theory. There is so much evidence of the Book of Mormon people here in North America. I have gone too see some of the places and artifacts. They are called the lost civilization. ( Jaredites- are the Adena culture and Nephites and Lamanites are Hopewell culture) they line right up with the Book of Mormon.
It struck me when you were talking about Joseph having the sword made to aid in conquering the promised land-Jerusalem-that it applies even more to Nephi taking the sword and using it as a pattern for more swords to conquer and subdue Joseph’s promised land-the New Jerusalem.
David - Bingo! =) You'll be very interested in the chapter on Nephi's "conquest."
So if it was in the Bible, it happened. If not, it didn't happen? Interesting approach.
Where is the Book of Uriah? Jeremiah 26:20-23 - biblehub.com/niv/jeremiah/26.htm
@James Wines That is my point. He was a prophet during the time of Jeremiah. Just like Lehi.
@James Wines Exactly! That is why Lehi had to leave! They were going to kill him. The righteous had to flee just like Uriah did. He also went to another country, Egypt.
@James Wines You need to study the Bible and history more. This was the first of Nebudchanezer's captivity excursions. This is likely where Daniel and Ezekiel were taken. But it was mostly the nobles and those of the King's Court. It wasn't until later, in 587 BC that Babylon returned to destroy Jerusalem and take a large majority of the Jews captive to Babylon.
I enjoyed your video. My brother-in-law had friend who had a friend who was a rabbi. The rabbi heard the story of the death of Laban. The rabbi said that there was a tradition that Laban was murdered, I found that very interesting and asked for documentation. I didn't talk to him often, but when I did he had forgotten and didn't seem sure that he knew who it was.
He may have been talking about Laban, the father of Jacob's wives, Leah and Rachael.
@@CwicShow thanks
I love this guy!!
Good stuff!!!!!
Thanks!
Have read Don's book on this & I think it is one of the most electrifying LDS-interest books ever.
Agreed!
The chakra on the Indian flag also has 24 Rays coming out of the center. Does anybody have a link to that Turkish passport
To be clear one of the interpretations of the 24 spokes on that chakra represents the 24 rishis or elders who were able to wield all power
I really want to see Greg play a song on his guitar.
All the details of the Book of Mormon, considering the lost pages (as well as other details), makes me believe that somebody making the story up would be more fantastic than Joseph Smith's version of how it came to be.
I have a question, What material was the plates of The Book of Mormon made of, and how much did it weight?
I think it interesting that due to Lehi's ancestry it is assumed that all his posterity are Manasseh...i imagine that his surprise at being a descendant of Manasseh indicates that he has multiple lineages...his maternal and paternal. We know that the israelites in general intermarried and so it is likely that he and his posterity would have traits from all of the tribes... possibly some sons inheriting certain traits beyond other sons.
This is interesting. I have seen a lot of similarities between the Book of Mormon and the Old Testament.
A friend told me he listened to a Rabbi read the Book of Mormon and said Joseph Smith must have had spiritual encounters to record it. The rabbi said evil spirit since it's about Jesus who he doesn't believe in.
Thanks for this interview you are sharing.
Another interesting thing is writing on plates had no archeological evidence when the Book of Mormon was published then later in history they were found that the Pheonicians had written on metal plates.
Very much a Christian themed Old Testament book.
Yes, there are actually now many examples of metal plate records from many parts of the world.
I just saw this article relating to the oldest metal scroll of Scriptures being discovered.
biblearchaeologyreport.com/2019/02/06/the-three-oldest-biblical-texts/
Other than the scroll, the oldest biblical quote found is between 1000 to 900BC.
I am currently in the midst of a faith crisis and am confused by some of the misrepresentations by the leaders of the LDS church. Steel did not exist during the time Lehi's descendants were in the new world so how is it that Joseph that was sold into Egypt could have had a steel sword centuries before steel existed. Seems implausible to me that this could exist. Also if the records on the brass plates was so vital to the Israelites that they had them written on brass plates why after they discovered that they had been stolen would they not have had someone create another record to be committed to brass plates? Also based on contemporary evidence found regarding writing on plates the brass plates would have to have been over 1200 pages. That seems highly suspect to me as it seems like just the weight on the plates would have destroyed the etchings on the plates. Please help me to understand what I am missing. Thank you.
"Steel did not exist during the time Lehi's descendants were in the new world so how is it that Joseph that was sold into Egypt could have had a steel sword centuries before steel existed. Seems implausible to me that this could exist."
What does steel mean to Joseph Smith? In any history book, you can find numerous examples of words that are used to represent an object, a philosophy, an idea, a building, whatever it is. When you focus on the "material" of the scriptures which are historical, spiritual writings, you will easily stumble if you think that the words have to be exactly what you think they are in the 21st century Western civilization. An example of this is "brass". Most of the time "brass" is used in the Old Testament, they are actually talking about bronze or even copper. This is the same idea.
"Also if the records on the brass plates was so vital to the Israelites that they had them written on brass plates why after they discovered that they had been stolen would they not have had someone create another record to be committed to brass plates? "
How do you know they weren't? However, based on this scholar's theory, these would have been Joseph's actual record. There would unlikely be a second. However, there are numerous examples now of scriptures engraved on metal. The Copper Scroll from the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Silver Scroll from the time of Lehi. This used to be an argument against the Brass Plates and the Gold plates. No longer the case.
"Also based on contemporary evidence found regarding writing on plates the brass plates would have to have been over 1200 pages. That seems highly suspect to me as it seems like just the weight on the plates would have destroyed the etchings on the plates. Please help me to understand what I am missing. Thank you."
This is not the case. The Israelites wrote incredibly small and their smiths were highly skilled in creating very thin "pages". We know this from numerous archeological finds. Also, the Brass Plates were written in Egyptian, reducing the space needed.
I went through a small faith crisis twenty years ago. I also started focusing on these "material" things. I would recommend that you look higher in your criticism by looking at what we actually have. The Book of Mormon is incredible. The doctrine of the Church is monumental. There will always be new "material" criticism. It will never go away. But the truths of the Restored Gospel are eternal. Good luck!
They have also recently found steel as far back as 700 BC in the Middle East. So they did have a type of steel then.
@@ThoseOneGuysIncyes they sure did . Native Americans say there was steel too.
He is an awesome guest!!!
Hi Greg. I know you say that there is no self promotion however I have written a book that I think you will like. It covers the list tribes, from Great Britain to China.
This interview is awesome 🔥
This is fascinating, thank you!
the OT has Lehi as a legit Name of a Place with the "meaning" given in Hebrew.
- the Book of Mormon starts in Jerusalem with Hebrews with Hebrew Names
- - can we get those Hebrew Names written out in the Hebrew language with Meanings... as the OT does ? obv easy way to Certify it - any Rabbi in any city could solve this
Yes, Lehi means "jawbone". Many other Hebrew names show up in the Hebrew Bible as well as from several archeological discoveries such as "Alma".
26:00 Martin and Joseph's viewpoint in the 1820s regarding the "restoration" was more concerning Puritan theory and cultural belief of Native American origins, correct?
It seems most members presently do see this term "restoration" as Joseph restoring a church. Why is that?
I want to know every single person who writes a book of it is approved by the presidency ?? Nothing is more important than knowing that ?
Given the history of the 116 pages, I think we should be very careful about trusting sources that claim to know what was in them, particularly those close to Martin Harris. That said, the book does indeed sound fascinating.
You should take a look. The book does not 'claim' to know what was in them. But it does some important textual and historical work and research that helps us to understand the Book of Mormon more thoroughly.
Remember that Martin Harris was a very big part of the early days of the church. He was very faithful and risked everything for Joseph Smith including his wealth and even his marriage.
He is also almost exclusively, the scribe for Joseph on those lost 116 pages.
Bro yall gotta youtube this its called temple zero look at whats on the floor of what they are calling a temple in Jerusalem older then the city of david it has an alter and a winepress! Its absolutely nutz.
@Darin Stallings no its related to joseph smith and the mason connection imo.
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I’m loving the content, but Dons filler word “Right...” is driving me nuts and that stuff doesn’t usually bug me.
I love Don Bradley
Stick of Joseph
The first thing I learned in Institute Class is do not speculate. Speculation leads to apostasy. The Holy Spirit will guide your thoughts, ask Him. It takes us a life time to glean the Book of Mormon even Prophets have told us they learn new things every time they go through it. Me too, found at age 21 and forty six years continuous reading the most important record specifically for our time. It sure is! We did not pay attention though as President Benson told us. Use the Spirit to piece those parts together so we rely on The Father.
It's called scholarship. And though I have a love/hate relationship there, it is necessary.
Are you saying scholarship is the same as speculation? I thought scholarship was different than guessing the manner in which we interpret what we learn. I avoid some things that are speculation is sounds as though he speculated then tried to find a way to express it so others guess which is why we are asked not to.
It’s like scientist . They know a lot of truths but do not get everything right . But prophets always do . Sometimes prophets will ask scholars questions but if a prophet disagreed with a scholar better believe you believe the prophet over a scholar .
*Honk Sound*...Right... He almost drove me nuts to be so well studied..... stop honking the word right as a filler.
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