Don Bradley is truly the Elvis of LDS history. But, what surprised me more is his biblical understanding and the connections he makes with the BoM. 116 pages is the most influential book on the BoM to date. It radically helped me appreciate the text and the translation process in new ways. I can’t recommend more Bradleys work and the game changer it is. Before anyone bails out of belief in the BoM PLEASE AT LEAST READ Don’s book. You will not be sorry!!!
Nah, there are too many of my LDS clan that are bailing. Nothing is going to stop the Momo numbers dropping like a rock. My local ward is considering closing. It is just not the 116 lost page fiasco. There is so much goofy stuff in the BOM story that is getting out as the historical artifacts are being published on the internet. Yet the only response is smoke and mirrors like this video, no substance, just nice stories or hipster scarcasm.
@@daleclark7127 Thanks. The good news is that Jesus really did rise from the dead, and He has become my best friend. I just regret all the years I was wrapped up in mormo goobly gook that was all a lie....
@@kevinedward118 no substance? Did you just gloss over Don's book and research with just "smoke and mirrors"? lol you probably think the CES letter is pure doctrine not worthy of rebuttal or critique, right?
@@GwPoKo Not at all. The CES has made mistakes and readily documents them. CES also documents the primary artifacts behind it's assertions, unlike the FAIR rebuttals. Have YOU read the CES and FAIR exchange on the CES site? CES uses references, while FAIR refuses to post the supporting references. By all means, I would love to stop the tit/tat and dive into a specific example with you.
@@Wes-ry2of I'm deeply involved in astronomy, being an astrophotography nut. I know all about the science of it. The Book of Abraham is not an accurate depiction of astronomy...
I discovered your channel only two days ago, and I’ve been binge watching it. This is my favorite episode so far! I love what you guys are doing! Love Don Bradley! ❤
His information, yes. His voice… not the best… gotta admit that. Listening to him “all day” would drive me nuts. But these pieces of information are definitely interesting.
This sort of content, mixed with commentary and reviews of anti Mormons, is ward radios sweet spot. Draw me a ven diagram and I will show you the middle is right here.
Love this episode. I love the literary connections as well between Asherah and the Tree of Life vision of Lehi, with its association with Mary. Fascinating stuff.
I’m about half way through the book. My dad read it last year and loved it. So far I love the info on the truer story of Martin Harris’ wife. I feel badly that my entire life I had a poor opinion of her but, per usual, it was based on not having all the information. ❤
@@rodneyjamesmcguire Oh yeah, about as precise as you can get. "The northern states will go to war with the southern states", BINGO! "The south will call on the aid of Great Britain", BINGO!!! "The war will start in South Carolina", BINGO!!! "The slaves will rise up against their masters", BINGO!!! Joseph fades back, he jukes to the left, he jukes to the right, he fades back, he shoots . . . . HE SCORES!!!!!!
So glad Don mentioned a follow up book at the last minute I think it’s a great idea! I know he may not have been serious but I was able to help Don illustrate some of the pictures in his book and I believe that there is more that he could share in a second edition and I would love to update the artwork and add more. If you ever decide to give it a go, let me know.
I've read that in the days of Lehi and Nephi there was a continuing problem with bandits and thieves. The law was interpreted in such a way that even ordinary citizens had a duty to capture or kill known bandits and thieves. Therefore, Nephi had a duty to kill Laban. It makes sense to me since Laban called Nephi and his brothers bandits and thieves to justify stealing their riches
Reading the comments always gives me a headache… if people don’t like our religion why do they feel the need to make us all hate it? Let’s just all agree to disagree yeah?
I think the haters are trying to get us believers riled up to say something, to get us cancelled. It’s happened to me. So now I just try to ignore them.
Cardon - when you discussed disagreement over when BCE and CE starts it reminded me of something. When I was in university I took a course on Jewish Old Testament theology. The professor gave us historical accounts, but the time in terms of years were after the destruction of the second emple in 70 CE. So to get the real AD year we had to subtract 70 years.
Thinking about President Nelson’s comments regarding the translation of the book of Mormon and comparing it to how long a whole team of scholars took to translate the Bible into English.. and how Joseph Smith was able to translate the Book of Mormon many times faster than this whole group of scholars. Translated the Bible many more pages per day…. now add to that the fact that half of the pages of the Book of Mormon that were translated we don’t have… that doubles the speed it which he translated the Book of Mormon…Astounding!
Go talk to a Dairyman about milk strippings. They are the most valuable part of the milk. Even today milk is not priced by the stuff in the jug you get at the grocery. It's priced by the fat content of the milk. That strippings is how they survived when they was deep famine. It was the butter, cream, and cheese that provided for the long term storage and health during the cold winter.
On the subject of dragons, it could be pointed out that the serpents which assaulted the children of Israel in the wilderness are called "fiery serpents" in Number 21:6, but are called "fiery FLYING serpents" in 1 Nephi 17:41. Dragons confirmed!!!! Also, Don Bradley's book is amazing. I really hope the lost manuscript has been preserved somewhere, because the content it had, which Don brings to the fore, seems to be extremely relevant to understanding everything from Mosiah onwards.
Comments for the algorithm! Love me some ward radio! I love the music! It’s super epic! Also Cardon… I love you bro! you’re the man… but not all science is bad man. Not all academics are bad man. That’s my only qualm! Everything else is great!
@@WARDRADIO Yeah, man, keep that music hard. I don't care what the missionary handbook says. You're not on your mission anymore, have the music sound as much like ACDC as possible.
I have been wondering about the use of precious metals in the sword handles and hilts. The only reasonable answer I can come up with is that gold and silver are both more dense than lead. That would make the hilt, in particular the pommel an excellent counterbalance to a steel blade.
In the last days evidence for the Book of Mormon will come forth. I recall hearing that for so many years and my little archaolgical heart exploded in hope. Seeing it happen as a flood is an amazing experience. Still, we have a flood of evidence for the bible and people still call it a book of fiction. Ignorance will alaways rear its ugly head.
I love your stuff! But one question… why can’t you do a longer episode with Don? Like 4 hours long? Cardon, you always say you have a “hard out” coming up? Do you guys rent the podcast space? If so, just do it out of your basement and give us all what we need! Longer episodes! Or tell us how much you need to rent that bad boy out for an extended amount of time and we will pay!
Masonry has as much in common with the Restoration as Catholicism and Protestantism has with the LDS Church. Bradley shouldn't be super-imposing Masonry onto elements of the Restoration.
On the first episode of Jordan Peterson’s Exodus videos ~ Watch Prager’s introduction. He says something to the effect of “I’m not interesting in how the Torah came to be, only in its authorship.” I loved his boundary and transparent “I’m not here to argue how the stones did this prove how they went from this cave to this king etc. I believe God authored them and I will speak from this vantage point.” I’m kinda there w the BOM. The arguments and speculation about the origins and translation are getting less and less interesting to me. I’m more interested in the authorship.
@@onandagus1 I guess where I am is, I believe the BOM is from God. How he delivered it is (as Prager says) God's business and I am less interested in the methodology, only in the ultimate authorship. However, I did comment on this before the episode where you shared the ties of the first vision experience and the temple - and the connection with the ancient tabernacle was so beautiful. God is the ultimate poet.
Don said in the last episode that it was most likely stolen by Lucy’s brother or step brother (can’t remember). But that also Lucy told Martin on her death bed that she didn’t take or burn them.
He won’t come on. They never do. They are incapable of scrutiny. They hide behind vagueries. I’ve corresponded with Dan it it was just him getting angry I didn’t agree with him and assuming he was the smartest guy in the room. If you have better luck I will talk with him and I am open for a conversation but I doubt you’ll get that level of openness from him. Church derangement dyndrine is real.
Read the D&C 10 in which Joseph spoke about the stolen pages. He says that god "warned him" that his enemies were going to change the lost pages and "falsely accuse" JS of mistranslation, so that is why he should not translate them again. BUT how could they do that since he wrote the missing pages in his own handwriting?
Forgery is a strong possibility. Look up this guy: Mark William Hofmann (born December 7, 1954) is an American counterfeiter, forger, and convicted murderer. Widely regarded as one of the most accomplished forgers in history, Hofmann is especially noted for his creation of fake documents related to the history of the Latter Day Saint movement. My thoughts are that either what we have in the BofM is sufficient at this time and/or the lost manuscript is still around (not destroyed), which is why it still is not been re-translated and added. Remember, there’s still a large portion of the Gold Plates that were sealed? Until the world gives the BofM its due respect and study it and believe in it, we won’t likely see what’s been sealed until after the Saviour comes again.
@@ItsSnagret That is nothing compared to a person who loses their soul in hell becuase they ignored God's Word the Bible and instead followed an adulterous prophet .
@@kevinedward118 oh yeah, that same god who burns the vast majority of his creations for eternity for his own glory? That same god who let his very first creations, Adam and Eve, “ruin” his plan and curse everyone? That same god who had (and blessed) many polygamous prophets but now they are adulterous?
@@ItsSnagret By no means. Rather, the loving God who gives people the ability to choose, but relentlessly pursues them, even to a brutal death on a cross and the flames of hell. And what does he ask? Only that you acknowledge His nature of being the only true God, lover and sustainer of all, who loved you enough to die brutally in your place on a cross? BTW, nowhere does God condone polygamy. In the OT, on rare occassion, he deals with cultural sin as He leads them back into his original plan (See Genesis) of 1 man and 1 woman.
Somebody else found the lost 116 pages, and plagiarised them to found a whole other faith by writing "prophetic" books with the content of the 116 pages. Then she disposed of them. I just made that up so don't read into it.
Don relies far too much on arguments from ignorance. He wants to fill in gaps which the record cannot. He borders on the conspiratorial in order to make a niche for himself.
BOM and View of the Hebrews share in common: Israel and restoration of the Ten Lost Tribes; people of the New World from the Old; divide the migrants into civilized and uncivilized groups with long wars between them; destruction of the civilized by the uncivilized; that Native Americans were descended from Israelites and their languages from Hebrew; preached in ancient America
Yeah… the boom of Mormon shares a lot with Barbie Books too. I mean, both have women named by their creators and bad guys vs. good guys. And pages, both books have pages… total forgery. Science says so. I am smart.
@@WARDRADIO Hmmm, your logic never ceases to amaze me. You are really equating a detailed point by point parallel in storyline between View of Hebrews and BOM, to a vague high level objectified storyline of the Barbie movie?? AND OH BY THE WAY, View of Hebrews is written by Ethan Smith, who lived in the same town as Oliver Cowdery, who later served as Joseph Smith's scribe for the Book of Mormon. HAHAHAHAHAH YOU CAN"T MAKE THIS STUFF UP. Mormo insanity continues in the hipster generation.
@@Wes-ry2of No, Solomon Spalding wrote the first 116 page of BOM before Smith said that God instead told him to write an abridged version in DC10 with a peep stone he found in a creekbed. I wish you mormo's would get your church history correct. But keep trying with those Gospel Topic Essays HAHAHAH
A statement about the lost 116 pages, attributed to Lucy Harris: "If this be a divine communication, the same being that revealed it to you can easily replace it." *****SPOILER: Joseph couldn't replicate the translation (maybe becuase he wasn't really translating)! EVEN the LDS church aknowledges this in D&C 10 (granted with the additon of mormo spin)
@@GwPoKo Use some common sense, and just read the well documented CES letter and the rebuttals to FAIR. Then read the Gospel of John without the mormo-glasses.
If Joseph Smith was inspired to translate the gold plates as he claimed, he should have been able to reproduce the translation of the lost pages by the same inspiration. Joseph’s handling of the problem of the missing pages shows that his driving concern was to blunt any criticisms from his detractors, a concern uncharacteristic of genuine prophets of God. Joseph’s claim that he had disobeyed God in allowing Martin Harris to take the manuscript home contradicts his claim that the Lord gave him permission to do so. The problem of the missing manuscript prompted Joseph to issue his first two modern revelations, in effect transforming him from inspired translator to new prophet. The missing manuscript was in all probability destroyed, most likely by Martin’s wife, so that Joseph’s claim that wicked men had the manuscript in their possession and had altered it to make Joseph out to be a fraud is most likely false. Had wicked men actually possessed the missing manuscript, it is very unlikely that they would have altered it, since to do so would invite accusations of tampering and they had no reason to think that Joseph could possibly have reproduced the manuscript correctly. Joseph’s admission that he tried hard to find the missing manuscript but did not know who had it or where it was is not consistent with his claims that an angel revealed to him the location of the gold plates and that God spoke to him. Joseph’s claim, after the loss of the 116 pages, that God had inspired Nephi two thousand years earlier to produce a parallel account in order to circumvent the plot of Joseph’s enemies, is simply too incredible and convenient to take seriously.
Why were the words “white and delightsome” in 2 Nephi 30:6 changed to “pure and delightsome” right on the heels of the Civil Rights campaign for blacks?
So WHY???? did joe say "all is lost" when he could have EASILY "translated form the "gold" plates ??. TOTAL BS ABOUT EVERYTHING LDS CONTINUES FROM THERE !
Don Bradley is truly the Elvis of LDS history. But, what surprised me more is his biblical understanding and the connections he makes with the BoM. 116 pages is the most influential book on the BoM to date. It radically helped me appreciate the text and the translation process in new ways. I can’t recommend more Bradleys work and the game changer it is. Before anyone bails out of belief in the BoM PLEASE AT LEAST READ Don’s book. You will not be sorry!!!
Nah, there are too many of my LDS clan that are bailing. Nothing is going to stop the Momo numbers dropping like a rock. My local ward is considering closing. It is just not the 116 lost page fiasco. There is so much goofy stuff in the BOM story that is getting out as the historical artifacts are being published on the internet. Yet the only response is smoke and mirrors like this video, no substance, just nice stories or hipster scarcasm.
@@kevinedward118 fair enough. Good luck with your new path forward.
@@daleclark7127 Thanks. The good news is that Jesus really did rise from the dead, and He has become my best friend. I just regret all the years I was wrapped up in mormo goobly gook that was all a lie....
@@kevinedward118 no substance? Did you just gloss over Don's book and research with just "smoke and mirrors"? lol you probably think the CES letter is pure doctrine not worthy of rebuttal or critique, right?
@@GwPoKo Not at all. The CES has made mistakes and readily documents them. CES also documents the primary artifacts behind it's assertions, unlike the FAIR rebuttals. Have YOU read the CES and FAIR exchange on the CES site? CES uses references, while FAIR refuses to post the supporting references. By all means, I would love to stop the tit/tat and dive into a specific example with you.
How did Joseph Smith know the universe went on forever when the scientific community all believed the universe ended at the Milky Way galaxy?
Or describe time dilation in the BoA 100 years before Einstein?
@@WARDRADIOProbably read the Bible...
Hmmmmm….. so he must have been a true prophet after all ☺️
@@Wes-ry2of I'm deeply involved in astronomy, being an astrophotography nut. I know all about the science of it.
The Book of Abraham is not an accurate depiction of astronomy...
@@rodneyjamesmcguire Lol! I am extremely underwhelmed by your comment.
This was a great episode! Wish Don could be a regular contributor to the channel!
I discovered your channel only two days ago, and I’ve been binge watching it. This is my favorite episode so far! I love what you guys are doing! Love Don Bradley! ❤
Such a good episode well done guys. I could listen to Don Bradley all day 👏🏽
You should listen to Jesus and not this idiot. Not Joseph. Not anyone! Only the savior christ
His information, yes. His voice… not the best… gotta admit that. Listening to him “all day” would drive me nuts. But these pieces of information are definitely interesting.
Don Bradley is awesome. He’s the only LDS scholar that I’m aware of that rightly pointed out that 888 in Ether 3 references Jesus Christ.
Can you give us a specific verse or maybe a video of Don Bradley talking about this? Thanks!
@@garrettrolfson3233 I believe it was in his interview with Rick Bennet on Gospel tangents. Sorry YT hates me so I didn’t see this until just now.
Always love the episodes with Don Bradley!!!
So cool that Don is explaining his book. I loved it.
I’m going to be sad when Don is leaves. His episodes and Reid moon’s are some of my favorites
Cardon! Thanks. Also Don, your work is much appreciated.
My pleasure!
Don Bradley is the man
Don Corleone with the low down on The Book of Mormón 🔥 this is going to be a great episode ... The book is true!❤
This sort of content, mixed with commentary and reviews of anti Mormons, is ward radios sweet spot. Draw me a ven diagram and I will show you the middle is right here.
❤ Don Bradley is a Rock Star! 🤩
@crazyaboutcards thanks!😊
Loved this episode! Like watching an awesome mystery unfold.
Love this episode. I love the literary connections as well between Asherah and the Tree of Life vision of Lehi, with its association with Mary. Fascinating stuff.
Love your channel. Thanks for the good program.
I’m about half way through the book. My dad read it last year and loved it. So far I love the info on the truer story of Martin Harris’ wife. I feel badly that my entire life I had a poor opinion of her but, per usual, it was based on not having all the information. ❤
14:14. My wife is a descendant of DE Harris! Married to royalty here. :) Top THAT Cardon!
Fascinating! Loved the information Brad revealed!
How did Joseph Smith predict the Civil War thirty years before it started?
He didn’t
@@coffeebull Yes he did, with precise accuracy, wapachow!!!!
@@coffeebull Joseph jukes to the left, he jukes to the right, Anti-Mormons are all around him, he fades back, he shoots . . . HE SCORES!!!!!
@@wes2176Precise accuracy? Really?
@@rodneyjamesmcguire Oh yeah, about as precise as you can get. "The northern states will go to war with the southern states", BINGO! "The south will call on the aid of Great Britain", BINGO!!! "The war will start in South Carolina", BINGO!!! "The slaves will rise up against their masters", BINGO!!!
Joseph fades back, he jukes to the left, he jukes to the right, he fades back, he shoots . . . . HE SCORES!!!!!!
So glad Don mentioned a follow up book at the last minute I think it’s a great idea! I know he may not have been serious but I was able to help Don illustrate some of the pictures in his book and I believe that there is more that he could share in a second edition and I would love to update the artwork and add more. If you ever decide to give it a go, let me know.
Thanks, Jody! =D
I always make sure to comment on every one of your videos, even if I don’t know what to say.
Just pushin' the algorithm, baby.
you are a general in the keyboard warrior army and we appreciate your vision of the battlefield!
And we love you for it.
Hello algorithm! 👋
Don should just be a regular and a part of the cast tbh
Thankfully, he accepted a calling as Ward Historian.
Lol, these Mormon-Haters, when will they ever get their way?!?
Never
They want to believe lies. They get to eat the fruit of those lies.
@@zionmama150 Wow, that's a good one. I'll remember that one.
My phone is going to break this is too 🔥🔥🔥
Snagret, you handsome disaster
I've read that in the days of Lehi and Nephi there was a continuing problem with bandits and thieves. The law was interpreted in such a way that even ordinary citizens had a duty to capture or kill known bandits and thieves. Therefore, Nephi had a duty to kill Laban. It makes sense to me since Laban called Nephi and his brothers bandits and thieves to justify stealing their riches
Reading the comments always gives me a headache… if people don’t like our religion why do they feel the need to make us all hate it?
Let’s just all agree to disagree yeah?
Misery loves company.
I think the haters are trying to get us believers riled up to say something, to get us cancelled. It’s happened to me. So now I just try to ignore them.
The cognitive dissonance among the anti’s is so loud it’s deafening. The only way to tamp it down is to attack what they formerly believed in.
BECAUSE it's so much fun to site the OBVIOUS BS initiated from DAY ONE ........the "vision" and the BS goes on and on.
Deathbed testimony is still not considered hearsay in some contexts!
Makes you wonder if we'll ever find those lost 116 pages like we have so many other pages🤔? That would be so epic 🥳
@StompMom5 - Wouldn't it? I'm looking for them! =D
@@onandagus1 I mean... If they were in the hands of those from the past then they have to be somewhere right😊👍. If anyone can find them it'll be you
Just ANOTHER thing that was needed as "proof" that suddenly vanished. C'mon dudes, open your brains, it's ALL BS!!!
If the 116 pages weren’t burned up, why wouldn’t some one come out with them ?
Cardon - when you discussed disagreement over when BCE and CE starts it reminded me of something. When I was in university I took a course on Jewish Old Testament theology. The professor gave us historical accounts, but the time in terms of years were after the destruction of the second emple in 70 CE. So to get the real AD year we had to subtract 70 years.
The best suggestion for a name of Cardon's old-timey newspaper is "The Ward Expositor"
Thinking about President Nelson’s comments regarding the translation of the book of Mormon and comparing it to how long a whole team of scholars took to translate the Bible into English.. and how Joseph Smith was able to translate the Book of Mormon many times faster than this whole group of scholars. Translated the Bible many more pages per day…. now add to that the fact that half of the pages of the Book of Mormon that were translated we don’t have… that doubles the speed it which he translated the Book of Mormon…Astounding!
Yeah dude
I remember the Thomas B. Marsh Story. There HAD to be more than milk to it.
Go talk to a Dairyman about milk strippings. They are the most valuable part of the milk. Even today milk is not priced by the stuff in the jug you get at the grocery. It's priced by the fat content of the milk. That strippings is how they survived when they was deep famine. It was the butter, cream, and cheese that provided for the long term storage and health during the cold winter.
Don Bradley! The man!
That's why it was exactly 600 years.
I have his book
On the subject of dragons, it could be pointed out that the serpents which assaulted the children of Israel in the wilderness are called "fiery serpents" in Number 21:6, but are called "fiery FLYING serpents" in 1 Nephi 17:41.
Dragons confirmed!!!!
Also, Don Bradley's book is amazing. I really hope the lost manuscript has been preserved somewhere, because the content it had, which Don brings to the fore, seems to be extremely relevant to understanding everything from Mosiah onwards.
@TheYgds - Nice!
Comments for the algorithm! Love me some ward radio! I love the music! It’s super epic!
Also Cardon… I love you bro! you’re the man… but not all science is bad man. Not all academics are bad man. That’s my only qualm! Everything else is great!
Glad you enjoy it! you will be preserved when we purge the "academics" in the great awakening... lol. j/k
@@WARDRADIO Yeah, man, keep that music hard. I don't care what the missionary handbook says. You're not on your mission anymore, have the music sound as much like ACDC as possible.
Is there an audiobook available for purchase somewhere of Don Bradley's "116 Pages" book?
I have been wondering about the use of precious metals in the sword handles and hilts. The only reasonable answer I can come up with is that gold and silver are both more dense than lead. That would make the hilt, in particular the pommel an excellent counterbalance to a steel blade.
I wonder if Shadiversity has talked about this. Not sure.
But, your idea makes sense!
Wrong...Silver is roughly 7.5% less dense than lead
I wish the host didn’t need so much attention and let Don finish his awesome points
If Don Bradley is the author of "The Lost 116 Pages," then doesn't that mean he's Lehi! 🤔
Interesting
We understand better why the Lord was so hard on Joseph and why he was so distraught.
Does anyone know about what years does the lost pages span thru?
About 600 BC to 150 BC
In the last days evidence for the Book of Mormon will come forth. I recall hearing that for so many years and my little archaolgical heart exploded in hope. Seeing it happen as a flood is an amazing experience. Still, we have a flood of evidence for the bible and people still call it a book of fiction. Ignorance will alaways rear its ugly head.
I love your stuff! But one question… why can’t you do a longer episode with Don? Like 4 hours long? Cardon, you always say you have a “hard out” coming up? Do you guys rent the podcast space? If so, just do it out of your basement and give us all what we need! Longer episodes! Or tell us how much you need to rent that bad boy out for an extended amount of time and we will pay!
A lot of our hard outs are that we have to go to work. We all have day jobs... :(
Maybe one day you will make enough money to just do these!
We can dream
And when did Joseph Smith leave Liberty Jail? Passover.
@zionmama150 WHOA!😊
@onandagus1 How many days passed between when Lehi received his first revelation to when Nephi beheaded Laban?
Masonry has as much in common with the Restoration as Catholicism and Protestantism has with the LDS Church. Bradley shouldn't be super-imposing Masonry onto elements of the Restoration.
26:00 xkcd, an online comic, recently did a strip about time accounting that is pertinent.
On the first episode of Jordan Peterson’s Exodus videos ~ Watch Prager’s introduction. He says something to the effect of “I’m not interesting in how the Torah came to be, only in its authorship.” I loved his boundary and transparent “I’m not here to argue how the stones did this prove how they went from this cave to this king etc. I believe God authored them and I will speak from this vantage point.” I’m kinda there w the BOM. The arguments and speculation about the origins and translation are getting less and less interesting to me. I’m more interested in the authorship.
@cleopatra9235 - Interesting! Say more of what you're thinking about the authorship?
@@onandagus1 I guess where I am is, I believe the BOM is from God. How he delivered it is (as Prager says) God's business and I am less interested in the methodology, only in the ultimate authorship. However, I did comment on this before the episode where you shared the ties of the first vision experience and the temple - and the connection with the ancient tabernacle was so beautiful. God is the ultimate poet.
For me, what matters is the content and how it helps me get nearer to God.
😊
Interesting. In the future, I don't think you need four commenters, it disrupts the flow of the stories.
His gaining or loosing years wouldn't work due to seasons.
@jacbox3889 actually, lunar calendars don't take account of seasons. Hence in the Islamic calendar the season in which Ramadan occurs varies each year
Losing not loosing.
@@dawnhasbroken6304 Your wright thank you:)
Were the 116 pages just "lost" or did Lucy Harris throw them in the fireplace? I have heard both accounts.
Throwing them in the fireplace also makes them "lost".
Don said in the last episode that it was most likely stolen by Lucy’s brother or step brother (can’t remember). But that also Lucy told Martin on her death bed that she didn’t take or burn them.
The devil and hell was strong with those people who got their hands on 116 pages. Using flames from a fire makes sense, they would be used to it.
You guys should consider getting off socail media 🤣
Bring on Dan Vogel
He won’t come on. They never do. They are incapable of scrutiny. They hide behind vagueries. I’ve corresponded with Dan it it was just him getting angry I didn’t agree with him and assuming he was the smartest guy in the room. If you have better luck I will talk with him and I am open for a conversation but I doubt you’ll get that level of openness from him. Church derangement dyndrine is real.
Dan vs. Don cage match
@@ItsSnagretI'd pay to see that!
That Thomas b Marsh story is not true anyway.
Read the D&C 10 in which Joseph spoke about the stolen pages. He says that god "warned him" that his enemies were going to change the lost pages and "falsely accuse" JS of mistranslation, so that is why he should not translate them again. BUT how could they do that since he wrote the missing pages in his own handwriting?
Forgery is a strong possibility. Look up this guy: Mark William Hofmann (born December 7, 1954) is an American counterfeiter, forger, and convicted murderer. Widely regarded as one of the most accomplished forgers in history, Hofmann is especially noted for his creation of fake documents related to the history of the Latter Day Saint movement.
My thoughts are that either what we have in the BofM is sufficient at this time and/or the lost manuscript is still around (not destroyed), which is why it still is not been re-translated and added.
Remember, there’s still a large portion of the Gold Plates that were sealed? Until the world gives the BofM its due respect and study it and believe in it, we won’t likely see what’s been sealed until after the Saviour comes again.
Oh my gosh, I just lost my testimony.
@@ItsSnagret That is nothing compared to a person who loses their soul in hell becuase they ignored God's Word the Bible and instead followed an adulterous prophet .
@@kevinedward118 oh yeah, that same god who burns the vast majority of his creations for eternity for his own glory? That same god who let his very first creations, Adam and Eve, “ruin” his plan and curse everyone? That same god who had (and blessed) many polygamous prophets but now they are adulterous?
@@ItsSnagret By no means. Rather, the loving God who gives people the ability to choose, but relentlessly pursues them, even to a brutal death on a cross and the flames of hell. And what does he ask? Only that you acknowledge His nature of being the only true God, lover and sustainer of all, who loved you enough to die brutally in your place on a cross? BTW, nowhere does God condone polygamy. In the OT, on rare occassion, he deals with cultural sin as He leads them back into his original plan (See Genesis) of 1 man and 1 woman.
Somebody else found the lost 116 pages, and plagiarised them to found a whole other faith by writing "prophetic" books with the content of the 116 pages. Then she disposed of them. I just made that up so don't read into it.
Don relies far too much on arguments from ignorance. He wants to fill in gaps which the record cannot. He borders on the conspiratorial in order to make a niche for himself.
You guys are just straight up making stuff up 😂
I’m curious, what sort of stuff do you think they are they making up?
@@anthonyterry2896 all of it lol
@anthonyterry2896 and how does he know it's "straight up"?
Look the loser anti-Mormon ran away.
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BOM and View of the Hebrews share in common: Israel and restoration of the Ten Lost Tribes; people of the New World from the Old; divide the migrants into civilized and uncivilized groups with long wars between them; destruction of the civilized by the uncivilized; that Native Americans were descended from Israelites and their languages from Hebrew; preached in ancient America
Yeah… the boom of Mormon shares a lot with Barbie Books too. I mean, both have women named by their creators and bad guys vs. good guys. And pages, both books have pages… total forgery. Science says so. I am smart.
@@WARDRADIO Hmmm, your logic never ceases to amaze me. You are really equating a detailed point by point parallel in storyline between View of Hebrews and BOM, to a vague high level objectified storyline of the Barbie movie?? AND OH BY THE WAY, View of Hebrews is written by Ethan Smith, who lived in the same town as Oliver Cowdery, who later served as Joseph Smith's scribe for the Book of Mormon. HAHAHAHAHAH YOU CAN"T MAKE THIS STUFF UP. Mormo insanity continues in the hipster generation.
@@Wes-ry2ofno, it was Ethan Smith, published in 1825 I believe.
@@Wes-ry2of No, Solomon Spalding wrote the first 116 page of BOM before Smith said that God instead told him to write an abridged version in DC10 with a peep stone he found in a creekbed. I wish you mormo's would get your church history correct. But keep trying with those Gospel Topic Essays HAHAHAH
@@kevinedward118 Sorry, Sugar, I don't understand a word you're saying. You may want to brush up on your English skills.
A statement about the lost 116 pages, attributed to Lucy Harris: "If this be a divine communication, the same being that revealed it to you can easily replace it." *****SPOILER: Joseph couldn't replicate the translation (maybe becuase he wasn't really translating)! EVEN the LDS church aknowledges this in D&C 10 (granted with the additon of mormo spin)
You are more of an expert than Don is on this subject it seems. Where is your book and research?
@@GwPoKo Use some common sense, and just read the well documented CES letter and the rebuttals to FAIR. Then read the Gospel of John without the mormo-glasses.
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@@kevinedward118Boomer moment
Heh heh, these poor Anti-Mormons, running around in circles.
If Joseph Smith was inspired to translate the gold plates as he claimed, he should have been able to reproduce the translation of the lost pages by the same inspiration.
Joseph’s handling of the problem of the missing pages shows that his driving concern was to blunt any criticisms from his detractors, a concern uncharacteristic of genuine prophets of God.
Joseph’s claim that he had disobeyed God in allowing Martin Harris to take the manuscript home contradicts his claim that the Lord gave him permission to do so.
The problem of the missing manuscript prompted Joseph to issue his first two modern revelations, in effect transforming him from inspired translator to new prophet.
The missing manuscript was in all probability destroyed, most likely by Martin’s wife, so that Joseph’s claim that wicked men had the manuscript in their possession and had altered it to make Joseph out to be a fraud is most likely false.
Had wicked men actually possessed the missing manuscript, it is very unlikely that they would have altered it, since to do so would invite accusations of tampering and they had no reason to think that Joseph could possibly have reproduced the manuscript correctly.
Joseph’s admission that he tried hard to find the missing manuscript but did not know who had it or where it was is not consistent with his claims that an angel revealed to him the location of the gold plates and that God spoke to him.
Joseph’s claim, after the loss of the 116 pages, that God had inspired Nephi two thousand years earlier to produce a parallel account in order to circumvent the plot of Joseph’s enemies, is simply too incredible and convenient to take seriously.
TLDR If it didn’t happen the way I think it should, then it didn’t happen
Or . . . you're just lame.
He translated the most correct book of all time, give him some credit, especially when so much credit is due.
Why were the words “white and delightsome” in 2 Nephi 30:6 changed to “pure and delightsome” right on the heels of the Civil Rights campaign for blacks?
Please share with us how you believe he created the Book of Mormon. Since you don’t believe his claims I would be very curious to hear your theory.
I think every person on this episode is in violation and covenant breaking. The should be some reconciliation to this fact.
So WHY???? did joe say "all is lost" when he could have EASILY "translated form the "gold" plates ??. TOTAL BS ABOUT EVERYTHING LDS CONTINUES FROM THERE !