What is Xingyi - Exploring Xingyi Quan ep1
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- čas přidán 30. 08. 2019
- In the first episode of our series, we are in the city of Tianjin to explore the art of Hebei style Xingyi Quan with Tang Sheng Jun.
In this series, I team up with Paul Andrews of Xingyi Academy and Jon Nicklin to travel to Tianjin, Shanxi and Henan to explore the various styles of the art of Xingyi Quan. We will cover the Hebei Style of Li Cun Yi, Song and Che Family Xingyi in Taigu, Dai Style Xinyi in Qi County and Muslim Xinyi Liuhe in Henan Province.
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I've read before that the internal styles require strict celebacy to work. You have to practice standin post training in order to even build chi, and you must be celebate while doing so. Without doing this so you are just practicing forms.
I know it's been a while, but I hope you can answer. When he spoke about the arch in the foot, or gripping...
Firstly, is that part of traditional Hsing I I've not seen it written un the classic. Secondly, how is that done in a relaxed enough state to be internal? Many thanks, an interested learner
@@AR-qn9mq gripping with the toes is fundamental to all Chinese martial arts. And regarding the second point, internal doesn’t mean being constantly relaxed. It’s more important to understand when, where and how to use tension
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Massive appreciation for answering. I can find very little 'instruction/direction on the arch in internal arts. Can you point me to anything more than this please?
Even if not, thank you for replying above.
I love it when he tells you “take it easy” after he’s thrown you to the ground.
Great work on the interview and the video! However, i think it would be better to interview a xingyi master with real fighting experience. Master Luo De Xiu from Taiwan studied xing yi quan and won an all out fighting competition of different styles. He currently teaches baguazhang as his main art and teaches xing yi as a secondary. But nothing beats interpretation of a fighting art with fighting experience! I heard he even trained an MMA fighter in ONE FC.
My brother and I trained in Northern Shoalin in South Africa. When we went to London he trained in Gao style Bagua Zhang, his Sifu was a student under Lou De Xui. After only 2 months he was so much better than me even though we were equal back home. When we touched hands it felt like his arm weighed about 20kgs. Afterwards I understood it was his standing pole and Santi that connected his body so that my arm was feeling his entire body. Internal style is superior to external style there is no doubt in my mind. I have experienced both.
Also I've seen videos of Lou De Xui doing Xingyi. He is a true master and his teaching and experience would be invaluable to your subscribers.
That master was spot on when it comes to Hebei Xingyiquan ( practitioner of Hebei style for 36 yrs). Great interview guy keep them coming!!! Love your enthusiasm for all things Xingyiquan!
Thank you so much again for this!!
There is so much demystified here, for any student who hs ever practiced Xingyi and wondered things like, “I wonder why Pi Quan is practiced first?”, or a Hebei perspective of Hunyuan practice and the progression of Hunyuan to Santi.
What I really appreciate here is how he says power comes inherently of properly practiced movement, and should not be forced (paraphrased). When he said that the twists/turns/spirals are subtle, and very briefly demonstrated his meaning, I feel like it helped me understand how to perceive practice of the Wu Xing as movements performed in space, but much more so an exercise in proper timing and body mechanics, a harmony in movement of all the working parts.
When you asked how you would/should feel if the practice is correct and he says to learn from practice, it struck me that there is indeed much value in being able to sense the whole body moving as a whole synchronized unit... as being an internal art, a more novice and/or less perceptive practitioner may be simply going through the motions as opposed to paying attention to that sense of whole body movement.
I could praise for volumes.
Suffice it to say, I appreciate your ability to seek and find truly knowledgeable and capable teachers. You ask the kinds of questions I would ask. I look forward to much more of this. Your videos help me add value and clarity to my perception of my own Hebei Xingyi practice.
Thank you! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
glad you got something from it! make sure to check out the rest of the series, as each teacher focuses on very different aspects
It takes incredible focus and time to master internal methods, this is why most external methods often defeat internal methods. Because there isn’t much fighting practice with soft style and external methods often hard can be used in a soft style still effective depending on training.
Outstanding video. The discussion and demonstrations were incredible!
Found your channel recently and loving these series videos.
@8:50 it was fun to here the inflections go up once the you got the clarification on the twist.
No matter the language or country.. the moment you get something is the same
Excellent, thank you so much for sharing. There are a lot of little gems in there. 🙏👍
Thanks. Second episode is released tomorrow and it goes into much more detail... think you will like it
Great video guys well done
Thanks for sharing! Have an awesome day!
Tianjin is a great city .Many thanks .
Thank you so much my friend
I have a confession. I spent a long time being biased of Xing yi. Over the years ive realised it has its strengths. Love the xin yi/Xing yi systems
Hahaha, looks can be deceiving with Xingyi. Until you get hit by someone who’s trained it!
I see each branch as focusing on its own trigger for power.
Xing yi/yi quan = structure
Xin yi= Dan tian
Least from my perapective. Now ivw researched all the above and got started in yi quan. I use to be all about structure. Now im really seeking and exploring dantian and its various methods of expression.
If i where to recomend something to watch. Zhao Fujiang. This man will show you qhat power looks like
That Dai family xin yi. Outside xin yi ba. Thats the other major need to understand i have
Some of those who comment express disgust on how this master was being rough on the martial art interviewer, but if you are to interview a martial arts senior or master you should be prepared for any eventuality and not take it personally. Like other people, masters have different traits, some are gentle, some are rough.
I've read in a book that Sun Lutang was trained in a spartan-like manner by Guo Yunshen.
Nice work. Just saw this now. Hidden power demo, very apt 🤣
Your command of Zhongwen is impressive! Also appreciate the reverence to the history.
thanks a lot! and yes, Im a bit of a history nerd
I was behind the camera. The guy doing most of the interviewing was Jon, but he doesn't have a CZcams account. I'll ask Paul to come here and reply.
@Thomas Tamba I always find these questions difficult to answer because it's not simple. During our travels we met a number of teachers and practitioners, they all expressed themselves in different ways with different qualities of force being issued (or if you like different "flavours" of fa li/fa jin). The striking that Tang laoshi showed us had a good shocking impact with a little bit of penetrating force. You can see the first short pi quan he hit me with nearly knocked my glasses off.
A strike like that into my chest didn't really phase me, it didn't hurt much really a little sting on the surface but not much deep inside. It did jolt me a little bit and sometimes that allows you to follow up with further strikes. Would I let him do that into my face? no way. So that's another variable - the target can determine how much force you need to have an effect. Good targeting can mean you need very little force to hurt someone - eyes, throat, groin, floating rib, armpit, neck, chin, all these can be hit with relatively little force and create a lot of damage or even a knockout. So whether someone can hit "hard" or "generate power" is sometimes irrelevant if they can hit you in the right place at the right time.
And also he was doing it from a set up position, I let him hit me. Adding in the extra variables of a moving opponent also trying to hit you changes things dramatically. What I will say is that all the guys we met were skilled and had things to teach. My own striking often has a much higher component of penetration and driving through the opponent, little less of the shocking impact. Some of the other guys we met had even more shock type force. Being able to vary your striking style is also something to maybe be considerate of. There might be times where quick flicks and jabs are more appropriate and other times when heavy swings and percussive strikes will have the best effect.
I hope that answers your question though I might have also gone down the rabbit hole a little bit there!!!
Wow. I’m going to be watching this over and over. Thanks so much!
Every thing he is saying is 100% real . I remember when I was training in the internal arts the Grand Master I study under talk about the history of Xing Yi Chuan & he mentioned to us the same story about how the art was originally a 10 animals at first . He taught it Bauq Wa Chang , Wu Chi Tao, Yi Chuan , Xing Yi Chuan , Northern Long fist style Lohan Shaolin Kung Fu .
Thank you for producing these videos - there is some very high level transmissions happening in this content and I applaud the Sifu for opening up his style for the world to see.
I feel like he may have triggered a fear response in the interviewer in shoving him down so abruptly - it showed a lack of capacity to feel the person’s reciprocity and that diminishes his prowess as a true master and possibly shows his ego still has something to prove but overall this Sifu is very well integrated.
"I'll show you lightly." :D
and then Bam into the bench hahahaha
Kind of a dick move if you ask me.
He pushed the host around but couldn’t hurt the other guy, I noticed.
Great stuff !! I use to study Chinese Kung - Fu my self!! Xing - Gi definetly looks like ,an effective martial Art!!
Brilliant! Another great vid, loaded with information from the source 😃😃😃👍
Lol Paul's spirit at 11:30 is a sight.. "Power? Have us some that? Oh yeah? Yeah?"
Paul's always the first to jump in and be a human dummy. No better way to learn than by feeling
this is suuuch invaluable information. I cannot thank you enough
P.S.: love how Paul just came up to be knocked around XD
you found hebeii style! thks
That is how it should be....
It was great how he finally showed you the hidden power in the elbow but if I’m not mistaken he never quite showed the more obvious and hard power? I think he said the hard power was in the hand but I didn’t understand that.
Right, he was just focused on hidden power in his demonstration and talk.
Perhaps he did not show or fully explain hidden power under the camera. Remember he was hesitant to position clearly for the camera. Could it be that what he demonstrated under the camera were obvious power?
Jiu cong bu ..... This is the first time I've heard this since wang Shufu taught me years ago.
Seems his power weather hidden or obvious didn’t have much effect on red T-shirt guy. 🤔 Did red t-shirt guy comment on this? How did he feel?
If I had to guess the Sifu saw he had little effect then he hit him harder still no effect and yet harder again and then the camera went off perhaps to save him face?
Where did you even find a park to practise in Tianjin?
on the outskirts of the city
Cool video, and Im looking forward to the entire series.
But I would have been so pissed if someone told me "I'll show you" and then suddenly pushed me over a park bench XD
Just how its done in China lol
Yes, when you ask a question, be ready to "receive" the answer. 😉😁
@Thomas Tamba You know, I would almost agree. Except the other guy, as soon as he gets the question, moves to a completely different angle to set it up.
Which honestly makes it even funnier XD
@Thomas Tamba both Master Tang and Paul made good use of The Art of War there lol
Actually contrary to common myth, the behaviors shown in this vid is not "how its done in China", in fact such actions are looked down upon by practitioners with more decency, I have to say that the host in the vid was overly nice about it, if this happened to another Chinese practitioner, a fight most likely would've broke out, this is what Chinese call black hand, meaning the dude is not honest.
And for the record, I know this guy, he has a pretty bad reputation in China and is commonly agreed to be an asshole among ppl who are familiar with him. He also chickened out of challenges in real life, yet boast mad skills on the internet.
Not gonna lie the biggest suprise are always the foreigner talking chinese fluent. :O
What happened to the subtitles near the end? I wouldn't blame you if you had trouble getting what he was saying, I'm lost beyond "er" and "san", but maybe you intentionally left them out?
Im not sure exactly which bit you mean, but there were points he was just repeating himself so I skipped over
From 14:25 onwards. There a quick question from Jon at 14:55 but then after a short answer, it's subtitles desert 'till the end. I'm sure there's a practical intent for you to do this, but as I'm lapping up any little thing said there (I do Jian Rong Qiao's Xinyi-Baguazhang myself), I was curious as to why you left that part out.
Lemme take a look when i get my computer turned on and I’ll check
Sure, no rush ;-) . It's still Sunday morning, here in southern France, so take it easy. And if you need someone for proof reading the subtitles, for typos and the like, just ask.
@@lelionnoir4523 Ok, I checked the time you mentioned. When he's hitting Jon he's pretty much just saying "like this" a bunch of times and Jon says "it's so fast". Then afterwards he asks about Nine Palace Stepping and he just says a couple of different names for the same thing, then shows it
My lineage in wushu comes from Kuo Yu Sheng, the Xing Yi master that was made reference in this video. My master is Great Master Chan Kowk Way, who as a disciple of Yang Sheung Mo, which was a disciple of Kuo Yu Sheng. Regards from Brazil
Sifu Gen Fu brought me here
I appreciate your guys Chinese.
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I play kungfu too, and I recommend you go to inner Mongolia. By the way, this man's skill, emmmmmmm.......
No inner power at all. There is only some strengh from hand and the back. Weakness from lower body, of course dont mention about the power driven by tendon networks.
Great Video, I have to ask the Japanese call it Mushin (No Mind) the Chinese call it Wuxin (Absence of Heart) it’s supposed to be a Mind State reached in combat by highly trained martial artists were the mind and body merge and there is complete harmony this allows instinct to act without obstruction of thought and the body automatically knows the movie, is this true? I heard it is what do these masters know about it would love to know
If you go back and watch my Shaolin series several teachers talk about the relationship of Xin and Yi.... it will also be discussed further on in this series too. That should answer your question.
Thank You also are you gonna do a series on Bagua Style? It’s really interesting
Possibly, but the next series Im planning is on the styles of Fujian province. Updates will be posted on my Facebook and Patreon
Hi in the style of Xing Y we teach within Xing Yi Academy we have a lot of exercises related to achieving and then maintaining a state of consciousness we relate to as "Wuxin". It's not as simple as you enter that state and your body knows what to do, you already have to have trained your body so that you are intimate with the body mechanics and body methods so that you do not need to "think". If you say entered "wuxin" then tried to do a Rumba dance and you had never done a Rumba then you would fail because the body doesn't have the experience of the movement needed. Same is true with fighting/martial arts. unfortunately we didn't really talk too much about some of these deeper spiritual/psychological things with most of the people we met, nevertheless we still got lots of great info from them all! keep watching Will's episodes for more!!
@@Xingyiacademy thats true you have to be highly trained in the art its also said dancers enter it as well only the describe it as "becoming the dance". My Master is a Shaolin Monk from Henan and I've talked to a former disciple who has met people that have entered this state after extrem training and practice the said that after experiencing it they can switch it on and off
I know forms play a huge roll in attaining it, Id love it if you guys could pursue such questions when asking these masters, of course ill keep watching your vids as they are great content. for your information I've been practicing Traditional Shaolin kung fu for 4 years now and have done tones of research sadly its hard with translation
Hmm........not seeing the internal skill/body dynamics from this Sifu.
Why the sifu had to hit so hard... That show low lever of competence...
Kung fu
No dosrespect intended to any teachers but I dont understand when teachers are so rough with the students like that, without warning it seemed he shoved him over the bench and then into a tree knowing those objects were behind him and how strongly he was going to push - I can understand sparring and needing to demonstrate the intention of the body/movement to students but sometimes it seems teachers just want to prove to their ego/audience how "powerful" their methods are by catching students unprepared. What is your/anyone's thoughts on that?
I think if we want to go to China and learn, we have to adapt to Chinese culture. This is just how a teacher behaves there. When we come back we should teach according to our own cultures and etiquettes. That's all I have to say about this topic.
Ah ur red shirt friend practices soft style lol. The problem with these traditional arts is alot of “style” rooted movements and not so much freestyle movement and inovation like bruce lees practice or philosophy so he better be seriously practiced and actually have legit skills.
This so called 'master' is too eager to 'prove' himself. I don't like the way he hits when the other person is talking. Doesn't show good morals. I dont even feel his 'kungfu' is really that good. He is only good at talking.
who is this guy? he from which lineage? super disappointed with him.
He raise to fame thanks to a popular book in recent decade, the author of the book was a disciple of Tang Weilu and then Shang Yunxiang, this Tang Shengjun is a descendant of Tang Weilu, and thus after the book gained popularity, he rode on it and made himself famous, claiming to be the lineage holder of Tang family Xingyi, which before the book were never even heard of. And yeah I dislike both his skill and his behavior.
示範的很沒品 要試就輕輕發 要打要先講 不要一下發劲打人當講解 還好這幾個老外都很有氣度 紅衣服本身也是練形意的 真要幹起來 不是很難看?
Shameful behaviour by the instructor towards the guy he was demonstrating on. Sad to hear Will say it's the chinese way. It's the wrong way choose what country you are in. Makes me angry to see this!