Journey into the Origins of Xingyi Quan FULL DOCUMENTARY part 1
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- čas přidán 19. 11. 2020
- Part One follows on from my trip to Dengfeng to learn about Shaolin Kung Fu and sees me visiting the ancient capital of Luoyang to learn about the style called Xinyi Liuhe Quan practiced by the local Hui Muslims there, before I head to the cosmopolitan city of Tianjin near Beijing to meet up with old friends Jon Nicklin and Paul Andrews to learn about Hebei style Xingyi Quan.
Xingyi Heritage is a two part documentary that explores the development of one of the most popular styles of martial arts in China: Xing Yi Quan. In a journey that goes from the ancient capital of Luoyang, to the modern metropolitan of Tianjin, and finally deep into the countryside of Shanxi province, this documentary is the first to introduce all the major branches of the style: Hebei style, Song Family, Che Family, Dai Family and Muslim Xinyi Liuhe.
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ancestors of manchus are not jurchen , that is old school academics, nowadays, historians do not say this any more, because jurchen has no connecction to manchus, manchu initially called themseleve " second jin dynasty" but later first emperor of qing dynasty clarified they have no connection to jurchen, by contrast, all jurchen people became han chinese after mongols established yuan dynasty in china, manchus actually by definition is not a real ethnic groups, it is a congregations of different ethnic groups including han chinese, huligai( manchurian) tribes, mongols and other small tribes in northeast china and even some korean and tartar and cossaks from russia, it can not be defined as a ethnic group, but a political and millitary organisation , there were no such term as " manchus" until 1951, before that, there were only eighter banner members , they were called " banner member" , 旗人OR 旗民， 满族 MANCHUS is created by communist party in 1951 only for political purpose, they are not a nationality, but a political organization of different ethinics,
Interesting stuff, but this isn’t a documentary on ethnic groups of China and there’s only so much you can squeeze into half an hour
Good videos
Please, sub spanish
The thing that puzzles you, why there are so many forms is, cause xing yi has not real form, it is a qi gong concept put onto the older martial art 岳家拳. It can have basically any form, the important was already explained in minute 10 to 11 and minute 17. Actually this is why you have in modern Yi Quan no defnite kind of fighting. All three arts XY, Tai Chi and Ba Gua develop these in a certain degree, whereas xing yi is the most basic one, if you understand the small circle used and how it is spread for fighting with the chopping fist it is kind of everything you need, if you aquire skill in it. But tai chi and ba gua are going even further, but for this it is more fun if you go on a voyage to explore qi gong.
As a practitioner of the other designated "bodyguard art" Bajiquan (and to a lesser extent for now, Piguazhang), I can DEFINITELY appreciate this documentary
Awesome! I’m planning to do a Baji one when China opens its borders
@@MonkeyStealsPeach I'm looking forward to that as a new subscriber! As I practice Huo family Baji, I'm jumping at the chance to learn more about all of the family styles (especially since the Hui people have been instrumental in developing both Xingyi and Baji, and my family style is not at all common in the States)
@@thebestcentaur welcome to the channel!
apparently mixing bajiquan with pigua, makes you a martial art God
Dear Will, it‘s hard to put in words how thankful I am for what you do for Martial Arts. Your documentaries are honest and don‘t come with any magic tricks. Entertaining to watch and also educational. So thank you, Will 🙏
Thanks man! Glad to know it’s appreciated. Who doesn’t love magic tricks though?
This is amazing, I’m so proud of you and thank you for documenting these precious gems for the future generations.
love this, thanks for your hard work and great documentary skill. looking forward to part 2!
Muchas gracias!!! Thanks. Excellent material. Waiting for the second part. Awesome
Excellent, thanks for sharing.... looking forward to part two.
I think this is such a great channel for authentic Chinese martial arts, so well done, mate!!!
great job. waiting for part 2
More good stuff. Fantastic!!!!
This is great stuff. Folding the hip reminds me of hollowing drills we used to do.
Love what you’ve done with the footage Will. It’s great looking back on this and remembering our time out in Tianjin. It was a great trip and I’d love to go back and meet these guys again. I need to learn mandarin first as there is so much I missed at the time!
Thanks Paul! I think you’ll like part 2 more
Great job guys luv it😍😍,xin i ryun👏👏👏uk
Great film. I appreciate your work & hope someday you'll look into the Lama, Hop Gar, Pak Hok Pai.
Thanks for researches and sharing.
Great video, Will.
Impressive video as always! A bit off topic but I really want to praise you for your Chinese! No matter what accent the masters speak, you always manage to communicate with them so well!
Thanks! I spent a lot of time in Henan and Shandong, so I'm fine with rural northern accents. Places like Sichuan and the west of China throw me off though!
Thank you very much for your work. Very intresting videos! Hello from Moscow, Russian. I training Bajiquan. Thanks.
Love the content
Thank you for sharing.
Please read Will:
Well, according to the Shaolin Encyclopedia, which was written after decades of research in the Shaolin area countryside and all the way to Malaysia and Indonesia as well.
So, the reason Yue Fei is credited for the founding of various CMA is because his troops practiced a Short Strike system, based on using weapons as if empty handed. When they returned home, they spread this art throughout Henan. Most all the XY and XYLH animals forms can be found in forms of the Yue Fei style (which was what his troops called it.
This of course was also incorporated in Shaolin as well. And this Shaolin Yue Fei Duan Da (short strike) style was a heavy influence on the formation of such styles as Preying Mantis and Red Opera Boat Wing Chun. Both styles contain the Duan Da material within their styles. Also, in Beijing Yue Fei Duan Da and Yue Fei San Shou was the basis for Eagle Claw style and for Liu DeKwan's liner Bagua form (which has no Bagua in it), Liu used it for foundational training.
There is a strong Deng Feng village early connection to XYLH Quan directly from Ji JiKe (Ji Long Feng).
Anyway, there is a direct line from Ji LongFeng to Ma Xue Li, thusly:
Wang Yi & Wang Kai 王益 王恺（1710-?）
They were the sons of Wang Zhicheng, and inherited the skills from their father. They spent their lives practicing and perfecting those skills, and from oral tradition we hear that they were also working as merchants at some point, and spent a lot of time in Dengfeng and in the Shaolin temple. What they practiced and taught retained the original simple but efficient flavor of Ji Long's teachings.
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Wang Zhi Cheng 王志诚（1680-?）
Wang Zhicheng, one of Zheng Wukui's disciples, was from Xin'an County, Henan Province (He may have also been known as Henan Fu Li). He was a famous Martial Arts master during the Qianlong Dynasty. According to the manuscripts, he was taught by Zheng WuKui. He then wrote down everything he learned from him. Hu Zhengsheng has inherited several of his (original) writings, which summarize the theory of Xinyiba and Liuhequan.
According to some researchers, he is the one who taught Ma Xueli and Li Chunchen (which also makes more sense chronologically than the common lineage trees). Ma and later Dai Longbang further developed the style, and invented ten forms, Four Movements, etc. But prior to them, there were no Taolu / collections of movements.They created Xinyi Liu He Quan. Wang’s best and closest students were his two sons, who were also the ones who brought their knowledge once more into the Shaolin Temple.
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Zheng Wu Kui 郑武奎（1660-? ）
Zheng Wukui (also known as Nan Shan Zheng), one of Ji Long's disciples, taught Martial Arts during Qianlong Dynasty, and was from Dengfeng County, Henan Province. He was recorded in the Nanshan Zheng Shi (Lit. "South of Mt. Song" - signifying Dengfeng - "Zheng family records") as well as in the documents written by his disciple Wang Zhicheng and various historical documents. Zheng being from Dengfeng, it is most likely that the first contact between Shaolin Temple and Xinyiba was through him.
@Salvadore. Interesting!
What is the exact difference between Xin Yi Ba and Xin Yi Liu He Quan?
@@junichiroyamashita Xin Yi Ba is very similar to Xin Yi Liu He Quan. They come from the same roots. The first one is what developed at Shaolin Temple from that root and is mostly qi gong based although it has self-defense. The second one developed at LouYang city and it is mostly self-defense and has some qigong.
When does the 2nd part come out? I want to learn about the Song Family! Great stuff...
Maybe a month or so, depends on how long it takes me to edit I guess
I’d say “all martial arts under heaven come from Shaolin” was made more for marketing Shaolin.
The more likely art for this phrase would be Shuai Jiao, which I would definitely love to see a video of. Or maybe even something like this. The art dates back a good 4,000 years, so there’s plenty of culture and heritage surrounding it.
Great video by the way, love xingyi.
Who knows... that could end up the conclusion.... this is an ongoing project so lets see where it takes me
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Thank you so much for your dedication to these arts and for documenting them for us.
I can’t wait to watch more of your journey!
And that would make for a pretty good conclusion haha
Could be more of a freestyle type of shuai jiao wrestling. I have seen tomb artifacts from books (like carvings on bone combs) showing depictions of jacketless wrestling that looked like modern freestyle wrestling. Could be extinct now.
@@SI-ln6tc It still exists, it’s over in Shanxi.
If you type In Shanxi Shuai jiao, you’ll find some videos of it.
"All martial arts under heaven come from Shaolin” is somewhat true and false. It just means that all martial arts were preserved in Shaolin, but they didn't all originate from there. If someone knew a martial arts style that they couldn't pass on to anyone, they would just pass it on to Shaolin so that it can be preserved.
Great job, Will! I hope you’ll put out the second half for free. I’d patreon if I could, but I’m currently unemployed (will teach Pakua, Hsing-I, or Chen Tai Chi for food.) Either way, I loved this. Excellent work.
Thanks man! Yes it will be available on CZcams when I finish editing it. It will go up on Patreon for early viewing and then go public after a few weeks. Im aiming for the end of the year
Excellent
nice content bro.
Great stuff! By any chance, is there a version with French subtitles? A French friend of mine asked me for that, thank you 🙏
my god finally. Xingyi quan 心意
it would seem like the best way to learn about traditional martial arts in china would be to stay away from people dressed up as shaolin monks at the shaolin monastery, and stay away from guys dressed up as taoist monks at wudang. And you'll be fine!
Facts lol
It's true here in the states too. So many grand Masters 😂. I learned xingyi from a cook.
Only place where you can still learn real bagua zhuang (jiu long bagua Zhuang) is at emei mountain.
.??? Kung Fu has been practiced at the Shaolin monastery for over 1500 years. Monks have worn holes into the stone floors from where they practice their forms.
@@Nautilus1972 might be so, but if you know anything about shaolin you'd know that the style they teach there has been modernized. They did it to be more in tune with the old now defunct national wushu program. Then they lied and said oh our forms were always this way.. because thats what the ccp does, they re-write history.
Its easy to see, kung fu is not meant to be pretty, its a martial art, of course with the years there has been more esthetical movements added to traditional forms, but at the core they remain TMA, they remain a martial art. WIth the compulsory forms, its totally esthetical, and de-martialized (it was done because the CCP didn't want the population to use martial arts to fight back, so they removed the martial part from the art) you can see it in the forms, the attacks have no power behind, the power doesn't come from the waist like traditional chinese martial arts, in fact theres no power. Just flaying your arms forward or in a circular manner is not punching, thats just dancing. same with butterfly kicks, backflips and laying on the floor acting like a monkey...
The government decided to start funding shaolin, to make it as a national attraction, but they also had a say in what the style would be like, and that is how you see the very heavy "modern" influences over Shaolin. Wow these guys can jump over a big wall, they can do flips, they can do awesome stuff.. is it really martial art? barely.
Matéria impressionante !!! 🥋🥊
Now this is interesting 👍
I would love to see a side by side comparison of the different way each lineage executers the same techniques , power development strategy and forms . Am i asking too much ? lol
(I would love to see an all Xing Yi full contact competition )
Cool idea but not sure if I have enough footage of each style to do that properly
Thank you!
My brother is à disciple of the Lu Rui Fang branch Henan he is 64 when i spar with him the energy he has is Just incredible hadjsaid hamid has videos on you tube
It's very informative and interesting! Why didn't you treat the Yiquan which is a definitive form of Xinyiliuhe-Xingyi-Yiquan lineage? And do you have any plan to do it?
I agree, I initially hoped to, but wasn't able to arrange an interview at that time. I would like to do one in the future to complete the series
@@MonkeyStealsPeach I don't know when it will happen, but I'll look forward to the day when you upload it on CZcams. ^^
I'm always surprised to see when concepts from modern biomechanics are being taught in traditional martial arts.
Tilting the pelvis posteriorly, pushing your feet into the floor, etc. The only thing missing is the core activation; the contraction of the abs to pull the ribcage down.
Dragon's body, indeed. One wonders how the creators of those styles came to learn about these postural concepts.
It is multi generation learning,
Hey Will, this the history I was provided with re Xinyi.
1600’s
Per the Ji family geneology, Ji Jike learns Six Harmony Spear and Tongbei from the Tao Gate at the Qianzai 3 as 1 temple in Shanxi. Travels to Shaolin, stays at temple from 1622-1632 teaching and researching his 6 harmony spear and proto-Xinyi.
Li Jiyu: joins temple, creates Changhuxinyimen which combines the rooster step of Xinyi and it's power generation ideas into Mogouquan. Destroys temple in 1640’s.
1700’s
Li Shiming (sometimes described as a white beard Taoist, or old man Li): Grand student of Ji Jike. Authors “Ten Principles of Xinyi Liuhe”. Teaches Ma Xueli and Shaolin monks in the early 1700’s after the temples restoration. Encourages mutual exchange of Xinyi Liuhe teachings between the monks and Ma Xueli. The Shaolin version is called Xinyiba.
Late 1700’s, Li Zheng, 4th generation inheritor of Ma’s Xinyi Liuhe passes on portions of the art to Dai Longbang and his sons.
Thanks for sharing. The story about Qianzai Temple has not been verified and is debating quite a bit among researchers. The Li Jiyu story is something I would like to look into more when I return to Dengfeng. I am hoping to go to Mogou village and Ruan village to learn more about this. Changhuxinyimen is something Im very interested in.
Thanks your reply. You're doing a tremendous service to the western CMA community with your documentaries.
Re the transition from Xinyi to late period Xingyi, I think you have to look to the exchange between Cheng Ting Hua and the Xingyi masters of Shen County, in particular Li Cunyi. I think Baguazhangs stepping and body method had a powerful transformational effect on that regions interpretation of Xingyi. In recent times, going in the other direction, you had masters like Yang Fangshen that interpreted Baguazhang with Xinyi body methods.
@@williambreazeal387 thanks for the kind words man! Yea, that would be interesting to look into. Also, if you watch my full interview with Gao Bao Dong, he states that the term Xingyi only came into use in the 1930s
According to the Shaolin Da Quan (Shaolin Encyclopedia) it was Wang Zhi Cheng 王志诚（1680-?）who was known as Henan Fu Li, who taught Ma Xue Li and others. Read my translation of the lineage info from Shaolin Encyc.
And the Shaolin Encyc has extensive list of the genealogy of Chang Hu Xinyi Men Quan and it does not list Li Ji Yu creating it, it was made over 100 years earlier.
Will, this thegood
The trap of the guard then hand to the face is a move that shifu kanishka teaches and i have seen in other shaolin styles
Xing Yi may father all animal styles, baji, tong bei, maybe even some mantis styles
Peng energy - expands in all directions. Ji energy issues forth. Same energies as TJQ
The older gentleman looks like he has spent his life studying and practicing forms almost in a "budo" sort of way, Has he ever spent time applying his techniques such as in war or as a bouncer?
I notice alot of the traditional martial arts experts use alot of sound effects.
The Hui Muslim Xingyi is noticeably different because they do not have the basic 5 elements but 11 animal forms. Whereas the other systems have the 5 elements and 5 animal forms.
Xinyiliuhe has 10 animals while hebei and Shanxi Xingyi have 5 elements and 12 animals.
This will be covered in part 2 :-)
So at the end of the day which is the original ie. most authentic form of XingYI --the XingYi Ba or Xinyi Liuhe Quan
Well that’s kind of a chicken and egg question
Do you mean that they both were developed simultaneously and unrelated?
3:04 where is that temple? I don't know how to spell what you said
Zhongnan mountains?
03:15 Xin Yi Liu He Quan as the ancestor of Xingyi Quan.
Can anyone please tell me what song is playing in the beginning?
Check the description
this a old clips I think
The real! Good KUng Fu
I have always wondered if there is a significant connection between xinyi and Baji Quan. I have wanted to know for years as they have very similar footwork and falling and driving strikes. I have tried both in terms of merely copying the movements I find them to be easily mixed. And apparently there both Muslim styles as I finish writing my comment well that’s something.
Not sure if there is a direct connection, but they are both from a similar area so likely share a common root or at least common material
You should call it styles practised by Chinese muslims,
rather than 'muslim styles'.
@@imnotacat523 yea, there is no such thing called muslim style,
The only connection is the spear fighting method and the military history, while xing yi is from the yue family boxing, kind of early eagle shaolin fighting the latter one is probably more influenced by pi gua another military martial art, of course there are similiarities
Shaolin has both internal and external in harmony. Isn't it. And wudang also
Which master was your favourite and what did you learn? Let me know below!
Actually no one, because they were all rookies. The first one explained the important steps of theory quite well, which you probably do not get cause you lack skill in meditation, the second one told you the important things to develop to be a good practitioner, again with typical term that would have needed further explaining for you to understand and the third one show you halfway decent kind of application how it is intended. So be thankfull and keep them in mind or else you gonna miss one day the important occasion of getting to understand it
Baqua, Xing I, and Tai Chi, are as a mixed mother of Wing Chun.
With kim yeung ma, do ma, juen ma as main stance training and very similar hand positions. Even the long pole techniques are somewhat common. Wing Chun gee lik as well is similar to Xing I. All one has to do is look and one could also see Tai Chi push hands possibly evolve into Chi Sao exercises.
Completely unrelated. Wing Chun’s roots is in White Crane and other styles from Fujian province
Chinese martial arts have a lot of very fine and subtle points. I find it difficult compare with Karate.
Ma Xue Li s teacher was only a white bearded man. Sometimes it is really simple.😉
Please add english sub, i have bad hearing
Would like to watch this but so mant ads every few minutes makes it unwatchable.
If all martial arts under heaven includes Pankration, then no - it didn’t come from Shaolin... but there is a theory that pankration influenced kalari which then influenced Shaolin. (Pankration from Greece to India via Alexander and Kalari from India to China via Bodhidarma)
The techniques looks like silat or kuntao. Not surprise Luo Yang if Xinyi quan is one of the ancestors of silat. Or even eskrima.
Totally unrelated. Xinyi Quan is practiced by a small minority of people in this region of inland northern China. The Chinese who regularly sailed to Indonesia/Malaysia for trade etc were from Fujian and Guangdong in the south. So if there is any influence on southeast Asian martial arts it would be from southern arts.
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Is it possible, historically, for Hui muslims to settle in the Malay Archipelago???
Yes, but Hui Muslims can be found in all parts of China, and Xinyi Liuhe is a style which prior to the modern era was only practiced in Henan province.
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Got it. No strong link even among the Hui since, I assume, they practice other forms of kung fu.
Silat is a generic name for several traditional MA in Indonesia and Malaysia. Some of them influenced each others. Some of them got influence also from foreign MA, so I can understand if there are similar movements especially in the application parts. But there are characteristic Xinyi which I cannot find in Silat. So i doubt if Xinyi has influenced Silat, but hey who knows? the world is big and old.
oh my gosh, everything can be solved with stance training, lolol
Bad that, that one. Met only half-ass masters.🙄
ancient and old doesnt mean effective.. this is what Bruce Lee challenged. too many rigid and impractical moves
Ancient forms and technics are useful if you know how to apply them and even Bruce Lee had learned "traditional", furthermore, Bruce Lee statement is from a different level of skill because when you get to the "Master" level then everything is simple and free-flowing. Besides "Forms" are for specific training and you need to adapt them for fighting.
If you see the bout Qi la la vs. Ronin. Qi lala knocked down the pro muaythai fighter and almost knocked him out using a hsin I technique in the first round ,it's on video. Also see the video "hsing I vs. kickboxing". There's another hsing I vs.boxing" very savage streetfight in which the hsin I guy wins by knockout. It's from the channel "Truc Ngay". I don't understand vietnamese so you'll have to find that on your own.
Xu Xiaodong Quan is better.
Pretty soon Qi la la will use hsing and wingchun against Xu Xiadong or his best mma fighter in that weight class,then we'll see.