Martial Arts of Malaysia - p1 the Iron Body of Sekkosam Shaolin Kung Fu
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- čas přidán 23. 10. 2022
- My journey into the martial arts of Malaysia begins by meeting Master Ong Ming Thong, and learning about one of the most widespread Kung Fu styles in the region, Sekkosam Shaolin. You can learn more about Master Ong's efforts to preserve the martial arts of Penang by visiting his channel @tcmaconfederation6779
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I think you are rating the connection to shaolin kind of wrong. Chinese kung fu is less about fixed techniques, but the principles lent from the buddhism, medicine, calligraphy etc.
The animals for example are no fixed thing either, it is a principle of behaviour which kind of bears as fruit a whole fighting system (take pi gua, wing chun and tai chi all three with the snake principle inside them yet not really comparable). Of course only after you understood the fixed techniques to arrive at the principle. Wandering monks kind of spread shaolin through whole of asia, even muay boran and silat are looking often a lot like early shaolin techniques.
What kind of fighting you get without these influence of monks you can see at the wild tribes of africa, there for example the stick fighting looks much more primitive and is comparable to kalaripayattu and these regions basically never made any progress, while the buddhist regions made major intelligent improvements on their technique and culture
I agree that "Shaolin" is very much a cultural label these days.
Kind of like how we Irish like to refer to ourselves as Celts, when we are, in fact, a genetic blend of many peoples.
The original Shaolin temple in Henan ceased to exist as a functioning temple and martial arts centre in 1928. What was set up in 1980 is a recreation based on modern Wushu. What is practised there now is "Shaolin" in that it is geographically located at the site of refurbished Shaolin Temple.
In my 20s, I trained several hours a day in "Sekkosam" Shaolin. Our t-shirts simply said "Sao Lim 少林". Our instructor, the late Ch'ng Ewe-Cheng, talked about Sekkosam but never refered to the system itself by that name.
I currently practise "Nan Shaolin Wuzuquan", which is also the official style of the southern "Shaolin" temple in Quanzhou. However, there is no concrete evidence that there was ever a southern Shaolin temple and the "Shaolin" temple in Quanzhou is a new one that has been built from scratch in the past few decades. There is no documentary or archaeological evidence that Wuzuquan was ever practised in any Shaolin temple, even though that is one oral tradition.
In the end, it's all just physics and good practitioners focus on that.
Good points all round. I think you'd like my older series that I filmed in Henan and Fujian, I covered a lot on the point you made
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Yes, I have already seen those videos. Thanks.
I watched this episode because we have a Sek Koh Sam community here in Switzerland. Although it wasn't always easy to deal with them when i was in the Swiss Wushu Federation, it was interesting to get some first hand information about the style and its origins.
Was lucky in my hung gar training to learn several forms of the Malaysian lineage of the system, said to have been brought to the peninsula by Hung Hei Goon's first generation of students, by Mark Houghton who learnt this original lineage from Ho Kam Wai si-fu.... Fascinating documentary thank you
I practice Hung Gar, Hong Kong lineage, Lam Jo, Kong Buk San, Eugene Ho is my sifu. I would love to see some Malaysia’s hung kuen move
I met Master Ong and master Hoi a few years ago. It was a great experience. We had a very fun friendly pushing hands contest with master Hoi's students. I miss Malaysia, such a great place for martial arts.
It's nice to see them on a martial arts channel.
That’s awesome!
Loved this one! It's always so awesome to see some of the old masters demonstrating invulnerability skills.
The hand strike, seen in this video, is in Japanese karate called (Haito Uchi) which translates from Japanese to English is the "sword back" (sometimes referred to as "ridge hand") and is done with the proximal joint of the Index finger (MCP joint/Metacarpophalangeal joint). The "classic" hand strike with this part of the hand is usually delivered in a circular arm swinging or hooking motion to the opponent's temple, jaw or back of the neck (C-spine). It is interesting that bone setters/chiropractors/seifukujitsu shi use this part of the hand to "adjust" or "correct" the C-spine. Therefore, it is like two sides of a coin and a martial/medical example of "to harm or to heal". DEA III
I just got back from Malacca and it was incredible seeing so much very well-preserved Qing Dynasty Guangxu Era architecture, particularly the guild halls (会馆) for peoples of different Chinese cities. It's great to see someone documenting how the martial arts aspect of Chinese culture is being preserved in Chinese communities overseas.
Bangkok has a high population of overseas Chinese descended from Chaozhounese (Teochew) migrants. I wonder if you've heard of any Chinese (or more specifically Teochew) martial arts being practiced there?
Also, loved watching the iron body/palm content!
Haven’t been to Malacca, but heard it’s beautiful. Regarding Thailand, I haven’t heard of anything Chinese being practiced besides recent imports of stuff like Taiji, Bagua and Wing Chun. I would be interested in some traditional Thai styles at some point maybe
This is great!
I actually study a style of kung-fu where Seh Koh San (Shi Gao Can) is our ancestor.
Shaolin Gao Can Man Nam Pai Chuan, taught to Sugung Quek Heng Choon by Seh Koh San.
I love this type of kung-fu
I've even visited these places in Penang!
Same! I used to practise in the Roath club in Cardiff!
Congratulations, man! Another very nice work! Made me wanna visit Malaysia!!! Cheers man!
Penang and Georgetown is a fantastic destination for a tourist. I've been there about 5 times now. Love it.
@@StimParavane thank you for the tips!!!
I like how diplomatic you are when describing the “connection” to Shaolin. This believe is so deeply ingrained that simply discarding it as something non-factual may offend those truly believing in it. Calling it “cultural” is a nice way to put it :)
Yea true. But to just shrug a whole body of culture and belief off also loses a big part of what makes traditional martial arts special. When I made the first documentary at the actual Shaolin Temple, I began it by stating that I wanted to find out if the phrase “all martial arts come from Shaolin” is true or not.
This channel is a treasure for all chinese martial arts lovers. Thank you and keep up the great work! 🙏🏻
Thanks so much!
I see aspects of my Goju Karate training here.🙂👍
I believe that the late Tan Choo Seng of Singapore, who founded the Hua Tiong Wushu Association, learned from Sekkosam.
Excellent video you really give the different masters a chance to share their passion
Very interesting indeed!!! Many thanks :)
Thank you Will.
If you can please do one on silat
This was amazing
Thank you!
The first form shown looks a lot like a Hung Kuen form (some parts look like Tiger & Crane) but some parts look similar to the little Silat I've seen. Especially the tumbling and some very low stances. Could be there's some local influence? Can't wait for part two. Fascinating as always!
Hi Will, excellent video on this lesser known style. Lucky that the Chinese diaspora has managed to keep these Kung Fu styles alive amd growing. Looking forward to the Hakka video!
Thanks and wonder if you could do a video on tai chi in Penang
Nice brother, I hope you got to see some of their, Luohan Quan.
Merci Ming Thong 🙏
I love so much al the tools of conditioning, i think and i SEE it helps a Lot to dfense and make a powerfull strike in fighting.
For a future trip: Might you be interested in looking into the different kung fu styles and schools in Europe and North America and comparing them to the Chinese, Malaysian, and other East Asian countries. I would be particularly interested in the different focuses (e.g., more or less sparring, qi gong, lineage...)
Nice work. Looking forward to the Hakka segment. What is the state of these TCMA at present? Do they have many students?
It's a real mix. Some have a good amount of students, some have very few.
At 8.32: 连环掌對拆 - Liánhuán Zhǎng Duì Chāi (Continuous Palm Partner Exercise)
Thanks for the video. While in Malaysia, you might as well try to contact Silat practitioners and try to learn basic Silat philosophies and methods. There are many Silat styles and schools in Malaysia. Some styles like Gayung Fatani and Gayong Malaysia or Pusaka have experience teaching non-Malays.
That's quite interesting. Seems very traditional.
There was supposedly a decent amount recorded by his students on his martial background.
Well not a ton but they have the names of some of his teachers and what they taught.
He learned local styles growing up in Zhangzhou from local teachers. Typical southern Fujian folk arts, crane, monkey, local Taizu type stuff.
I can't remember the details of his teachers but one worked as an armed escort, I think Shi accompanied him for time.
But none of his teachers seem to have had large established schools and there aren't any known existing lines of transmission from any of his teachers being practiced in China.
The style he taught was basically a hybrid system of the various traditional arts he learned in his native home in southern Fujian and those he learned in Zhejiang.
The part that remains the biggest mystery is the Zhejiang stuff.
This is complicated by the fact that he taught the various forms as if they were one system and any of the Zhejiang material is heavily colored by the southern Fujian foundational training in the system.
He also didn't clearly state what style or even region the various forms he taught were from, or at least that information is no longer preserved.
Folk styles from coastal northern Zhejiang and those from Zhangzhou look very different when performed.
However if you start doing stuff from places like Taizhou with the energy and power generation of Zhejiang crane or monkey then they very quickly become almost indistinguishable.
He was said to have trained as a monk on the island of Putuo Shan and to have learned a system of Luohan practiced there which is claimed to have originated from Shaolin.
However the monastic community in China suffered major disruptions in the mid to late 20th century and the monks on Putuo Shan today don't practice martial arts or have memory of a specific unique Luohan style being taught there a century ago.
I'm not trying to cast doubt on the claims that he learned Luohan boxing there. Just that the monastic community was torn apart and much was lost. Having read up in the past on the temples of Putuo Shan and what they went through in the 20th century, it seems that Putuo was one the places hit especially badly.
So if anyone there did know it wasn't passed down and was lost along with many other traditions and practices of the Putuo monastic community.
Putuo Shan island was considered to be one of the famous mountains of Chinese Buddhism and was considered to be the seat of Guanyin.
Thanks for that. Master Ong had mentioned the Zhejiang connection before which is why I said it at the end
In melaka there was a master on northern shaolin fongyang style from shangtung.i think he has 2 very good students still alive tday.i suggest u to video their forms as this is a very different style
That's interesting our lineage is connected to the Ong family. They settle in Akron,Ohio from Taiwan and S.E. Asia too. Love seeing and hearing these older Sifus. They're so few of them left. I have one 80 year Sifu left that was close friends to my Sifu.
I'm sure the Ong you're speaking of is no relationship to this man.
I can't find any videos on Sekkosam Shaolin Kung Fu anywhere or at least not so far. What an incredibly rare style! Oh by the way I found this weird Filipino martial art when I was walking around Luneta park a few weeks ago called "Jendo". The really weird part was I saw them doing Sanzhan and thought it might be a homegrown kung fu I never heard of!
Very nice skill. I wonder if his school is doing some form of sparring? But his timing and technique is unquestionable
There is also grandmaster Chee Kim Thong Ngo Chor which is Wu Chu Chuan (Five Ancestor Fist)
Yr efforts in the disimilation of traditional shaolin martial arts is appreciated. An important shaolin grandmaster u shld have visited is Wong Siew Kit or/and his disciples. He is based in Kedah, a state next to Penang.... 😇🙏
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Kiew-kit
21:52 when the old student said 'ji diao ge' I think he meant each lane or street had its own gang rather than family
He could also be talking about each "bridge" like the piers with everybody on that pier being of the same family name. like the chew jetty or the lee family bridge.
Yea I think he was talking about the clan jetties
@1:45 Ah, University of Science Malaysia, my alma meter, feel nostalgic
Hmm Will you said in a q and a sometime ago it is not necessary to do Iron Palm.Then I see you walk up and casually hit bag full of shots casually 😉.Thank you for the great video though.
Please do more videos on sek koh sam kung fu! Also do you know where to find more information about it?
Im not too sure, sorry. I didn’t find much online either. Master Ong has has own channel though which I tagged in the description
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Yes there is sadly not too much online information about sek koh sam kung fu. I train sek koh sam myself in switzerland and would love finding out more about its roots in malaysia.
The late Grandmaster of the school, P’ng Chye Kim, wrote a book with Don Draeger. It is still in publication.
That campus is awesome.
The first thing I'd do is go to the market and buy a couple dozen eggs and to the pet store to get a couple dozen mice.
Then I'd walk around like a king followed by a retinue of scaly minions.
Monkey Steals Peach,
Again, a wonderful video. Thank you very much! And again, I have a question.
Do you know whether the hardcore conditioning of one's hands would compromise the ability of one's trigger finger to properly pull back a gun or compromise one's hands' ability to be steady (maybe you know of security personnel who do hardcore hand and arms conditioning and who have discussed or could discuss with you this question)?
Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my question.
Most of us outside America dont have to deal with guns in our daily life
@@MonkeyStealsPeach,
Thank you very much for your very quick reply.
Yes, the United States has the best of both worlds: Easy access to weapons and, unlike many other countries with easy access to guns, the rule of law.
Very interesting video,thank you. Were you speaking Hokkien there?
I wasn’t, but they were
@@MonkeyStealsPeach is it difficult making yourselves understood to one another ?
@@NH1973 No, most Malaysian-Chinese are fluent in English and/or Mandarin. The only exception was the old master in the middle of the video, but we had someone to translate on hand so it was fine.
Hello. That lake is known as tasik harapan. 😅
What's the name of that blue yellow valla he used for training the palm?
Keep it up. I enjoy watching your kind of series! 👍
Really excellent start to the new series!
It's kind of like ordering your favorite dish in a new restaurant. The recipe's not exactly the same, but it still tastes good.
That’s a great analogy
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Thanks. I used to be a cook, so a lot of my analogies are food related.
Interesting
... is there any way to train there? (Savely)
Much obliged. Have an awesome time !
Im sure you should be able to contact Ong Ming Thong on Facebook and discuss with him
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Thank you, have a good weekend !
Is there version of Southern Shaolin related to the Southern Shaolin of Quanzhou in Fujian province?
As I said at the end, this seems to only exist in SE Asia
Ah ok,thanks for the info there 😊👍
Dear monoeystealspeach i would like to ask if thereare other temples in china where they practice martial arts other than the two shaolin temples??
Yes. And I will discuss this a bit in part 2
@@MonkeyStealsPeach could you please give me the names of some of them becouse i am really interested in the subject and would like to learn more
Wait and see part 2
🙏🙏🙏☯️
Have you covered Indonesian styles silat for your channel?
Maybe soon
@@MonkeyStealsPeach
as friendly advice, find a traditional one which is small school. because silat just like chinese kungfu. each styles have unique charasteristics. you can contact me if you need any help/information.
Thank you
l owned a weight machine exactly like the one in the video.
What about melayu malaysia brew....are you have chalange silat MELAYU alam melayu supranatural..
Набивка неплохая у дедов. Но в целом выпуск про каких-то дрищеватых бомжей из Азии. Видно, что силы нет в ударах. Сравнить есть с чем - видел и настоящих мастеров на этом канале.
Интересно ещё, что за мазь они накладывали после набивки на руки.
for interest, around 40 years ago in Singapore, other students of this style ran a martial arts supply store in Singapore, and they invited me to their gwoon, however, I did not have time to visit. Just one of many Fujian like styles in singapore, my father in laws training heritage was in another, Fong Yang Khong Chiang.
Singapore, Malaysia, and Taiwan are great places to learn traditional Gung-Fu and to study traditional Chinese culture. China on the other hand has thrown away most of their traditional culture in place of communism. Don't get me wrong it's okay to be modernized to a certain extent but it isn't good to throw away your own culture and adopt another model.
Maozedong hunted down everyone that stuck to ancient traditions including several masters of old. Those that survived went to taiwan, malaysia, indonesia and the philippines.
Good thing they want their culture back although it could do with some support, mostly from ordinary people. Maybe some of the old masters could teach in the wushu academy too.
@@angsern8455 Yes indeed, and thing is you don't have to go to China to learn Chinese martial arts and culture . You could go to Vietnam (has a lot of Chinese there) Cambodia, Malaysia, Burma, Taiwan, and the Philippines and many other South East Asian countries where there are Chinese peoples.
@@spartanwarrior1 Yes I was reading about that somewhere. Some Chinese even went to South Korea and Japan after WW2, because communism took over China completely some years after. Many Chinese helped Japan rebuild.
@@gabrielday9519 yeah, plenty of masters or students of masters left china to bring their knowledge around the world, either during or before the cultural revolution and you can probably find a lineage of different styles around where you live. I'm also saying that perhaps, since the entire revolution thing is over and that there is an increasing sentiment for Chinese culture in china, maybe it's a chance for Chinese Kung Fu to return or at least it's teachings, back to China.
malaysia is racism country its different with Indonesia...
In Indonesia silat welcome with others martial art.....
There are silat kuntaw in Indonesia this is influence by kungfu from tiongkok...we love and open mind with all martial art from all of the world..
This different between Indonesia and racism country malaysia
Stuck in the past, needs to evolve to adapt to modern ise.
no wrong info penang was open by Raja Abdullah not from british..... brtish coming rent penang from Sultan Kedah Ahmad tajjudin in promise british will help Sultan kedah war with Sukhothai or Thai People...but british cheat sultan kedah british help Shukhothao or thai people british give gun and canon and dont pay rent and promise Sultan Kedah have war on two side one side War with british in penang and war with thai people invade kedah and dont forget with help British come New Country Name THAILAND Vanish from map KINGDOM OFF SIAM.....During Japan Invaded all chinese in penang run fleed away rom penang only have malay fight with japan to defend their mother land....Where Chinese during this war..???
Fake as usual. MMA fighter winns allways.
Can every MMA fighter/learner be a World Championship winner? What's the use of learning MMA if you won't step in th ring? Do you know why they win when fight with Chinese Kung Fu? It's becuase of the power & strength which trained through hard training. The body shape already tells.