Why Criston Cole killing Joffrey made no sense! What really happened at Rhaenyra's Wedding?
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In the show Criston straight up violated guest rights in front of everyone and no one batted an eye. In the books the killing of guests or family members are regarded by westerosi society as two of the worst crimes one can commit, but for some reason in the shows these scenes exist only for momentary shock.
Not just that, he punched the future king consort and son of the second most powerful and the most wealthy man in the realm. Plus even if Joffrey was not Laenor's lover, he was still his friend and a Knight. Joffrey was not some common born peasant either. Pure shock value nonsense cause game of thrones had a reputation of having shocking events happen at weddings. The difference is the red wedding was foreshadowed and set up well and also had repercussions afterwards. Same thing with the Purple wedding, it was the main plot of kingslanding for the rest of the season. Who killed the king and Tyrion's trial.
@@nostalgicbliss5547it makes no sense he should’ve never done it and he should of been executed for it or at least removed from the kings guard
To be fair Aemond did too, but Criston it's just impossible
@@Ashbrash1998Well, Aemond was stopped by Lord Borros, and he wasn't gonna (intentionally) kill Luke either. And since its not Aemond's house, he doesn't get the flack as much as the Baratheons would for allowing it to happen.
he did no violate guest rite it wasn't his house or his guests. Visarys did nothing cause he's a weak king.
This would've been so much better
It would, but it was difficult to add another scene
Thing is : obly 3 episodes prior, there already was a tournament. It would have been redondant, so they choose not to have it for the wedding
@@gabrielberglund115how is it difficult?
Just shoot the other scene
Budget was there
@@gabrielberglund115stop defending laziness
@@hollowpointgaming6097 the show already had a major jousting scene, so it would have been a bit repetitive to have another one, with a lot of the same characters involved. There's also the fact that tourney scenes are extremely pricy, and this show had already spent a crazy amount of money. All of this for the sake of showing Criston killing a minor character, together with the fact that they'd need another scene where Joffrey dies several days later.
The showrunners were like "OMG a wedding. We need someone to be killed, just like the Red Wedding and the Purple Wedding"
A wedding is no fun without one or two deaths
A lot more of these momments in the show like Rhaenys just stomping hundreds of people to their death with her dragon so the writers could have their shocking bad ass moment at the end of the episode
@@misternich4935I mean...they're green supporters... so-
No its cause they didn't have the budget or runtime fit it. Also because they didn't want another tournament when they already did one in the first episode.
@@TheBombasticFatRatthey are still the people. For once, I'm glad Rhaenys didn't become the queen. Anyone who didn't understand that the people are innocent didn't deserve to be queen
I think this is one of the changes from book to show that I don’t like. Most I’m either okay with or actively like. But not this one.
the *MESSAGE*
I especially love the portrayal of Luke’s death being the Vhagar’s and Arrax’s fault, and Aemond actively doing everything he could to stop her from attacking (including the absolute shock after he realizes what just happened to his nephew) To me it’s one of those moments where his seemingly one-note bad boy persona pushes him closer to “grey”, which is my favorite type of character
This show is a mess.
@@PEDRELVISthe show is trash. It is completely one sided to team black
I always found it strange that Cole wasn't really punished for ruining the feast and possibly causing division between the bride and groom. The book version makes much more sense. Sometimes, heads roll at tourneys. Everyone accepts that. The change must have been due to time constraints.
It was for shock value. Just like the Rhaenys scene, the knights randomly go crazy and kill each other at the tourney in episode 1, Daemon bashing his wife's head in when he was thousands of miles away in the book.
The change was for spectacle. They Admitted as much on multiple occasions
That's an odd choice. I think the scene would have been much more impactful and dramatic if they'd stuck closer to the book version. I can just picture Leanor having to watch his lover get his head crushed while dozens of people cheer. It would have also would have given the previous tournament scene more meaning in retrospect. Since Criston would have gone from an honorable knight who shows mercy to a cold blooded killer under the similar circumstances. Huge missed opportunity.
@@JM-hj3sm agreed. But these are the same writers who had
*the queen draw a blade on the heir in defiance of the king in public with no consequence
*the queen threaten the king in front of his court without consequence, quoting ‘when my body is cold and in my grave you may do as you wish husband.”
*had rhaenys drive a dragon through the floor of the kings coronation without consequence
* a man die by having his head conveniently slammed on a ball he was rolling around the table
* rhaenys and her dragon present a clear threat to the king after killing his people and getting in his face only to fly off to rhaenyra and say “well it’s not my ear. I ain’t in it. Good luck.”
*praised themselves for not having gratuitous sex and rape of women only to substitute it with gratuitous sex, miscarriages and deaths of women
* rhaenys pointedly show no fealty to rhaenyra as if she can just remain neutral after her antics
* daemon 1v40 an army he’d previously struggled to defeat with the help of his own army
*cast a small healthy child and a thin tall child as alicents sons before inexplicably reversing the casting choice with their adult actors.
*made a notable family black for no reason of merit, making the lacking black genetics of rhanyras children absurdly laughable and making the realm look absolutely foolish for turning a blind eye
They aren’t really big on logic and consistency
@@InnerAtanih I dunno, I agree with half of those, and disagree with other ones. Pretty much everything to do with Viserys turning a blind eye to Rhaenyra and Alicents behaviors is fine with me. I like to see Viserys struggle between being a father/husband and being the King. It's perfectly within his character to try to resolve these issues and failing due to loving his family too much to take appropriate action. And it's not like there are no repurcussions whatsoever. His innability to keep the peace within his family leads to a civil war. The casting was also fine by me. I don't think any of the performances were bad. Rhaenyra's bastards obviously not being Velaryon is kind of the point. It shows just how willingly blind Viserys is and how it's taken advantage of by different parties around him for political gain. The Rhaenys scene at the correnation is kind of a mixed bag for me. I can understand why Rhaenys did what she did and why she changed her mind, given her previous conversation with Alicent. But it was just WAY too dramatic and could have been executad in a completely different way, or even skipped over entirely.
It makes Criston into a complete asshole. Like what did Joffrey do to deserve getting kill because Rhaenyra refused him. He lashed out at an innocent man just to switch side??? He could have done that by wearing Alicent favour alone.
I feel like you didn’t understand what was happening in that scene. Joffrey was essentially trying to blackmail him or at a minimum letting him know that he knew his secret.
@@gato313 Really. Because I don't really understand why Joffrey want to blackmail... Criston. Joffy is Laenor lover not Rhaenyra lover. Wouldn't it be better for him and Laenor if Rhaenyra had a side ?? So I thought even if Rhaenyra refused, there shouldn't be any incentives from Joffrey to antagonize Criston. It just seem like Criston was bitter because of the rejection and attack an ally of Rhaenyra to fully join the Green.
@@havu-xq4ip if you rewatch it, a little bit before he gets his head bashed in, he is talking with Laenor and they’re discussing how Rhaenyra knew their secret and it was important that they know her’s so that she couldn’t use it against them. He then approaches Criston to let him know they are aware of their affair at which point Criston bashes his head in. I think it is also to reflect Criston’s anger at her but he didn’t just bash his head in randomly because she turn him down, he was provoked by dude trying to blackmail him.
@@havu-xq4ip and also, Criston breaking his oaths for a woman that wouldn’t leave with him was clearly a very big deal to him. He even goes to commit suicide after. I think part of him killing the guy was because he felt shame for breaking his oaths and the idea that other people also know set him off. Really just incredibly bad timing by Joffrey to try to blackmail him or even insinuate he knew about them.
@@gato313 That is not true, he just genuinely thought they were on the same page about being the prince/princess’ lovers and they could bond about that.
We are never given a motivation as to why he would want to blackmail Criston and if that was the objective why on earth would he implied he was Laenor’s lover??? That just gives Criston the ammunition to blackmail him right back.
He also beat the shit out of Harwin Strong during the same Tourney. Ser Criston didn’t mess around
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Book Cole is a menace bro damn
Butcher's Ball is going to be a Joffery, Ramsey Moment for Ser Cole. Can't Wait!!
worst change from the books(edges out Daemon killing his first wife) and I can only assume this change happened for financial reasons. That tourney would've been great to see, lets not forget Cole almost killed Harwin Strong too.
Cole should have finished the job, the strong boys would have been erased
No mention of rhaenys bursting through the floor on her dragon
Also i wish Daemon gave up his crown during the tourney, circling on dragon back and landing thenn giving it up. They could have recreated the pic from awoiaf
@@muqki2178cringe
Ser Criston broke his oath and risked being emasculated and tortured all because he thought that the princess loved him when in reality he was only her boy-toy. So I can’t really blame him for snapping because he probably thought that it was only a matter of time until people discovered that he had carnal knowledge of the princess.
It really shows how selfish and entitled Rhaenyra can be at times.
He chose to break it though. It's not all her fault
did rhaenyra even opened her mouth? heck - they all let Daemon receive the fall - with Viserys believing it was him who stabbed her daughters virginity. If anything, it shows that Rhaenyra is trustworthy, can keep secrets & can take responsibility by letting him keep his oath. She was in her rebellious teenage phase but instead of framing him up - she shut her mouth because she knows she's also at fault. It was him who ratted himself out and went on a rampage of anger and jealousy.
Maan names like Viserys and joffrey and Aegon get confusing cus theres multiple of them
Ye well british royal family too, a lot of edwards, william, mary, elizabeth etc. 🤷♀️ dunno why they do dis
Joffrey died days later after the tourney. - Oh, it wasn’t supposed to be a wedding. It was the announcement of the wedding which turned into a wedding.
Criston asking Rhaenyra to run away with him was never explicitly stated to be a factual event and I'm getting REAL tired of people glossing over that.
well the books were written by biased maesters so this is the real account whether you like it or not, this is meant to portray to factual events according to the showrunners and GRMM, the books are heavily twisted in either the green or blacks favours depending on who's recounting, so you're wrong because in the show he does ask her to run away with her and becomes incel when she says no. Also all the maesters were misogynistic, so they would never 'favour' Rhaenyra for being a woman anyway and would twist any events to make her the bad woman and harlet.
@Shannon-vv6rr That's honestly a really good point. The only opposition I feel is the fact that some of the book also contains testimony from Mushroom and even he never claimed that they slept together or that Criston asked Rhaenyra to run away with him. Though it's also possible Mushroom just made stuff up because he didn't know the real story either.
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Yess!!!! I was just watching it over again so I could get a better look at it!!
Criston, to me, represents the many real-life people, who profess perfect uprightness in public, but who are the exact opposite in private. He joined an order that had a spiritual element to it, and he seemed all-in for that. But, when the girl he'd started to have romantic feelings for rejected him, he began a campaign of revenge that would grow and take on other players, shaping an entire family for years to come. The scorned lover trope is one of the oldest stories in human history, both in reality and in fiction, and it's incredibly petty. (6/14/2023)
Yea I think you missed the point, Criston is the son of a steward, he is a peasant, the fact that he of all became a kingsguard was his pride. The princess took his honor and he didn't have any choice in that since you can't go against the princess especially as a a peasant. She left him without anything, his honor was the only thing he got and she took that from him. When he tried to make it right by marrying her, she make it clear that it didn't mean shit for her and she just do whatever the fuck she wants when he was ready to kill himself over that. He said it you just didn't listen, these people are spoiled cunt who are totally foreign to the concept of sacrifice.
They did this because they already had a tournament scene early in the scene, it makes sense to change it from a television pov. To me worst than this was rhaenys girl boss scene killing hundreds in the dragonpit and leaving the greens alive. THAT shit made no sense
How in the world do people think the dragonpit scene made no sense? Did you just kinda forget that Rhaenys suspects that Daemon and/or Rhaenyra murdered her son? That’s why it isn’t her ear to start. She didn’t have any sides at that point.
They had Rhaenys murder a bunch of people as “GOT always had a big moment in EP8”.
They had Criston kill Joffrey at the wedding as “Weddings in Westeros are always bloody affairs, look at the Red and Purple Weddings!”
They had Daemon kill his wife because they… idk shock value? I haven’t watched that scene in a while as it makes me cringe. Bad scene!
They did him dirty in the show.
This is one of the worst changes from the books without a doubt. Not only did we miss out of a badass Criston moments & some Harwin-Rhaenyra moments in the tourney, we also missed out on some good characterisation for other characters.
There’s a theory I really like which explains Larys’s murder of Harwin and Lyonel. Essentially, Harwin breaks Larys’s foot, Lyonel covers up the event, and Alys Rivers teases Larys and Harwin about it. This gives a darker twist to the Clubfoot & Breakbones nicknames, and also tells us why Larys is very immobile whilst many with natural Clubfoots usually have a good level of mobility. The event ruins Larys’s life as he gets mocked and belittled growing up, and he can’t be a knight - for a second son he has little options and Harwin has destroyed most of them.
I imagine we could have a scene of Larys revealing this story himself in an imitation of Littlefinger telling Sansa the story of “The Mountain and the Hound”. It also furthers the themes surrounding the ambition of second sons, and how childhood trauma destroys and remakes people like Larys and Aemond.
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Having another tourney was probably too expensive for the hotD budget
Kinda get why they didn’t do this logistically. Having a tourney it that last episode before the time skip might have been difficult but come on it would’ve done so much more for Criston has a character.
It’s amazing to me a lot of people don’t pick up on the fact the books are written from biased “historical accounts”.
They just presume the books are stating facts.
And show was said to be another account so...
It's a fictional story that isn't using an unreliable narrator, if the book says there was a tourney, there was a tourney.
It's also the only account, so even comparing it to history, this is just ignoring the only source and rewriting the history.
True but it didn’t work here. A royal tourney is to big of an event to be completely made up by chroniclers plus having him commit an obvious murder at a wedding with no consequences produces continuity problems.
An example for smartly playing with the fact that the book accounts don’t have to be true is Lucerys‘ death. In the book I never questioned it being done on purpose but the series showed that it could have been different, in a way that doesn’t contradict the book accounts but played out in a way, the authors there didn’t consider
But there’s obviously things changed in HOTD that doesn’t actually line up with what happened in ASOIAF, like for example changing Alicent and Rhaenyra’s ages, and making them childhood friends(something that’s a big plot point in the show). Like that would just not have been possible in ASOIAF. So obviously what happens in HOTD isn’t actually always “the true story” like people like to claim.
It's not about who is writing biased historical accounts. Let's say the show is official westerosi history cannon. How is Criston allowed to live and serve as Kingsguard after violating guest rights in front of the entire royal family. That is extreme s8 level logic.
well some one finally said it, that made no sense and everyone's reaction (or in this case lack of) made even less sense
It did make sense on film. Someone figure out your secret of screwing the princess and you are sworn to protect her. Anyone really found out both would be killed. Plus Cole was mad anyway she was marrying another dude and not running off with him, while the dude she was marrying boyfriend decided I'm going to mess with your brain. Poor guy, little did he know he was messing with pure rage.
Yea he would have get killed, not rhaenyra she can just lie about it.
This is just another fact that prove that the show is trying to cast team green as the villains
So? Of the two, greens were more like the villains in the books. They went against the King's confirmed succession.
Exactly but it looks ridiculous because the blacks are just as bad lol .
well just for reference the fire & blood books are written to be inaccurate, they are essentially history books written by maesters. All third person accounts and their own personal beliefs.
Also Criston Cole is 15 years older than Rhaenyra, so whether or not he killed Joffery he still is a creep. He is 31 and she is 16 when he asks her to run away with him, just think about that
@@myasuniverse1327 Not to mention those misogynistic maesters were all biased against Rhaenyra
@@gguktae3502 I feel like rheanera was just bad at ruling, she didn't get raised right to do it and she was lost her father and sons in such a short time.
Didn't he beat the crap out of harwin at that tourney?
Yes
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This show had so much potential. It made massive blunders like this in almost every episode.
My sister and I just looked at each other during this episode and went *tf was that?
*Joffrey inexplicably deduces that Cole is the princesses lover because he is “loOkiNG aT heR CunT StrUcK”. Like dude, he’s her body guard, of course he’s fucking looking at his ward.
*then decides to not only expose his relationship with laenor, but posit a deal to Cole…based on his assumption that he’s sleeping with her.
*cole then (for no reason) beats him to death in the middle of the princesses celebration and there are no consequences or hardly even any interactions from the people who should be dragging him over the coals for such a stunt. Joffrey wasn’t just a dude. He was the princes guard.
*but instead of being tackled and mauled by the guards, Cole apparently just walks out covered in blood and decides to chill in the garden and contemplate suicide. So no one stopped him on the way? He just waltzed out? Wtf
*then he gets recruited to the queen and has no insane stigma attached to his name for his actions. Everyone just acts like nothing happened and they never witnessed his brutal psychosis.
It wasn’t for no reason.
Joffrey Was Being Caviler, Basically Rubbing The Dishonor In His Face & He Also Knew Cristons Secret
Yeah the wedding scene made no sense
I wish they showed Criston wrecking Harwin in a tourney. It would’ve showcased how badass of a warrior he was and not to be fucked with 💯
Ser Criston Cole did change sides in the book and the film to black to green and he did kill Joffrey lonmouth during the tourney not the wedding
I mean, to be fair, accidental and non-accidental tourney deaths happen all the time as seen in episode one. For all we know Joffrey's death was just an accident or Criston just killed him cuz hey, its a tourney and ppl want blood and violence
Criston got shafted by the lack of more episodes, in the same time, what could the show presented in other 3 episodes(let’s say this number) that wouldn’t be too close to season 8
And about him not getting punished, he could have passed a trial by combat in which he was proven innocent for the killing(funnily enough)
Tbh the show makes no sense, it just makes it seem as if he's suddenly become an insane psychopath...
I hate it when shows have to dumb down the content for shock value. Like you can't have complex characters, just the "good guys" and the "bad guys"
Cristin hated Rhyerna with his whole soul!!
Based Criston
*incel 'ser' crispin*@@Heisenberg882
Dude took it personally to a whole other level😂
I wish the show had better sets, it was great and looked really cool especially the throne room. But the actual world, it just felt like all of it was green screen which it probably was
This and the Green’s council scenes are the only changes so far I don’t care for. Everything else has been either fine or great.
Everything is better about the books
when i saw the show i was so pissed we didn't get to see the tourney, it would have been much better to see criston cole becoming a more nuanced villain rather than a crazy hot headed teenager who got pissed for getting rejected
He Doesn’t Hate Her Because Of Rejection Tho In The Show
The Rape Victim Criston Still Rightfully Hates Rhaenyra Because Rhaenyra Wanted To Continue Using Him For Sex After Already Ruining The Thing He Put His Entire Self Worth Into.
She Wanted To Continue Their Affair Despite Knowing The Dangers A Kings Guard Could Face & It Made Criston Realize That She Never Loved Him & Was Just Using Him To Please Herself & Playing With His Life!!
Hot headed teenager? Sounds like the p*do r*pist daemon
Song????
That's what I have been asking since past many days ☠️
*Yeah pls we deserve an answer*
Actually a bit better ike this
I prefer Criston beating Joffrey into a coma in a tourney where its legal rather than a wedding where only one guy is in armor. Its crazy to think House Lonmouth didn't ask for retribution as is their right.
I would 100% watch if you made longer videos!! Your art is beautiful, and you're absolutely feeling a huge gap that was needed within the Asoiaf universe!!
The part about him running away with Rhaenyra is not completely true, as it is just one of the versions presented of the events. To me Cole never went to bed with her, he was more of a prude.
For killing a noble guest like that Criston would have to be expelled from the King's Guard. Hell, Lord/Lady Lonmouth would have demanded an execution or to at the very least cut the hand that killed their relative. Not to speak about the compensations the Velaryons would have demanded
does anyone have the link to the art of the joust
He also beat the fuck out of harwin I believe
That’s correct
What show?
I know everyone hates how Game of Thrones ended but House of the Dragon season 1 is nowhere near as good as the first four seasons of Gams of Thrones. I think anyone who has been putting it on a pedestal is just desperate for dark fantasy entertainment. Don’t get me wrong it’s a lot more entertaining than Wheel of Time and the Rings of Power but it’s got a ton of problems such as lack of character development and going for shock and awe rather than substance.
Criston is literally the worst.... Like his sole motivation for becoming a Greens supporter is because Rhaeneyra, heir to the throne, rejected running away with him. Dude, move on lol.
Considering she has put his life in very serious danger just to satisfy herself I'd say he has a pretty good reason to be upset.
The showrunner's need to take every ounce of Cole's agency ruined the character.
Joffrey also wore Laenor's favor
“Their relationship was the worst kept secret in the Red Keep” - Fire & Blood
I wonder why, when they did shite like this 😂
Hey guys, I never watched the House of the Dragon because I was so disappointed with what they did in the last seasons of GoT, so I never gave it a chance. Do you guys think it is worth it, not as a simple pastime but as something that is actually worth watching?
I’ll never understand how Sir Criston the raging lunatic was allowed to continue as a Kingsguard after he murdered a Nobleman because he couldn’t handle rejection like an adult.(As if Rhaenyra would give up the throne after a rebound one-night stand) Would he not be executed for murder? I’m sure it was Alicent who kept his head off the chopping block, since she does everything to spite Rhaenyra because Rhae made her own choices through life and Alicent resents her for not going through what she did.
Team Black all the way!
Exactly! Trash showrunning
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Where can I find the whole of dance of the dragons book and name of the book ??
I don't think there's a whole book dedicated to it but I'm pretty sure a lot of it is the book fire and blood
honestly a book would kinda ruin dance of the dragons. To me, a lot of what makes the Dance so intriguing besides literal dragons duking it out, was how ambiguous it was and how we were allowed to form our own head canons on what truly happened.
The book really isn’t a story, it’s written to be more of a history book with several different tellings of the same events. I wouldn’t recommend it if you want to watch the show but it’s called Fire & Blood.
Honestly I really like how they changed this from the books. The books were written to be full of exaggerations, assumptions and misunderstandings/misinformation so having the actual death of Joffrey be much less dramatic or noble adds a lot more to both Coles character and the history as a whole.
No it doesn't, this change was dumb.
And when I questioned Laenor’s death change and Aemond killing Lucerys not being deliberate everyone said the show is actually more accurate because the stuff in the books is all written by some maester after the events of the dance or something, yet this change and the stupid Rhaenys dragon scene are things that wouldn’t of happened the way the show portrays them
Book version better…as usual
It would’ve been such a subtle symbol of swearing loyalty. Like him being rejected and replaced, to come out wearing Alicents favour. It would’ve made more sense
In the books they didn’t hook up! HoTD should’ve followed more of the book and just add drama in between, the original story is way better! It’s total bullshit they have the dragon pit UNDERGROUND and they have Cannibal , the one dragon that didn’t give a fck and would kill and eat other dragons!!! 🤬🤬🤬 GRRM is a sellout to have participated in changing 95% of the original story!!
its a shame the fire and blood books are realllly boring history instead of novels
I would’ve preferred this version not that ghe wedding scene was terrible just that this one makes a lot more sense for the story and better explains how Criston got away with the murder. Either way Alicent could’ve had a hand in excusing it but it just a way more forgivable incident than the version we got.
SPOILERS....The three scenes of the show that made me feel like watching late seasons of GOT were the Criston Cole and Jeffrey scene, the murder of the Bronce bitch like Damon called her and of course after the jump that Cole and Daemon were the same age, Some gray hair and a beard would have done alot for Cole
The whole show was sloppy and reeked of trying to get Twitter buzz
Budget
He also struck member of Royal family. That would cost him a hand by in universe law.
This change was almost certainly done with the budget and time constraints in mind. Tournaments mean jousts and jousts mean working with multiple horses on set, which is difficult and expensive and saved for only a few times a season in GoT. Not to mention the wardrobe dept has to create tourney armor for these characters to wear, and Joffrey Lonmouth literally dies in his so he’d only appear in it for a few minutes in a single episode
I believe the show want to portray Criston as a impulsive, unhinged beast that quick to anger. For example, what he's done to lord Beesbury in the 9th episode shows this side of him very clearly.
So, to the show-runners, having Cole elaborately kill Joffrey in a tourney where he has full deniability is out of the character for him.
The Butcher's Ball is going to make alot of Cole Fans stop watching the series!! I CAN'T WAIT!!🎉
Can’t Wait To Watch The R*pist Pretender Queen Rhaenyra Meet Sunfyre While Her Son Watches
It made some sense that he killed the poor guy but absolutely no sense that he survived that. I don't think that even queens favor would save the guy from murdering nobleman in front of dozens of witnesses in the most gruesome way possible. Not even feigning self defense or intervention in defense of others would save his skin considering he just kept bashing his head in long after he was down. He'd either lose his head or have to take black.
I've just watched the episode and it's the by far the most terrible episode. Only liked the scene where Otto leaves Kingslanding.
like it made no sense why he killed him??? what was the reason???
In the show it was because Joffrey Was Being Caviler, Basically Rubbing The Dishonor In His Face & He Also Knew Cristons Secret
When emotions override logic... C.C.wanted big V's sworn heir to run away with him? Imagine how THAT would of went down?
The only thing we dont like is the lack of explanation. Like we get it… the queen. But i wamna see it. I want criston cole questioned and on trial at this point tbh…maybe a tournament would’ve been better? but that first episode as so 🔥 and it looks like they were trying not to repeat themselves with similar character moments
Ser Crispy Creme is just a piece of work, can't believe he wasn't held accountable.
“Crispy Creme”🤓🤓
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Although HotD failed to show us the redeeming qualities of Criston, such as his badassery with his Morningstar, his father-like relationship with Alicents neglected children etc, I still have high hopes that HotD will give us a glimpse of book Criston in season 2. Seeing Criston Cole kill former Lord Commander Harold Westerling and strategically orchestrate Rhaenys and her dragons death at the Battle of Rooks Rest is going to be a sight
The show tries to make the everything seem black and white, green bad black good, it’s for the simple minded folks who blindly support team black
Nah they tried to makes us empathize with Alicent in order to make it more grey. And the softened down the brutality of the green council. The greens in the books are much more dislikable
@@epicLEKLE and they didn’t do that with the princess? What did she do with corlys brother and his family in the books? Go ahead tell me. The whole point in the story is they all messed up badly and are grey characters, at least that’s what I was told before the show started.
One thing that I didn’t like on HOTD Is how reaneera just has children with harwin strong like it’s nothing. I find they they should’ve should hiw they fell in love and had those children. It didn’t coincide with rheanerra character
Don't be a Joeffrey at a wedding, usually doesn't turn out well for you.
Joffrey didn’t do a damn thing wrong (never thought I’d type that lol)
People already hates Cuntston Cole in the show, they'll hate him even more as the show progress 🤣 but I forgot how he met his end though. I believe it was near the end of the war in a battle to defend the capital or something or was it at Riverrun.
Honestly the show version would’ve only needed a bit more tweaking to be much more believable for me. If it was apparent that Joffrey was significantly drunk by the time Criston attacks him and maybe if the fight was a bit closer I could believe that most people would accept that Criston as a Kingsguard was acting in self defence and that Joffrey had swung first and escalated the fight to where Criston had to kill him. With the way it is there’s just a little too much mental gymnastics you have to do to explain why Criston wasn’t at least accused of murder when at least a dozen people watched him overpower and beat a distinguished knight to death.
Seriously, I did not understand why he would that or why was that included. I was baffled by that scene that he would do that to Joffrey since it was not the latter for Rhaenyra. I searched for that scene and saw it was done after a tourney.
I mwan it "made sense" but we all know how netflrix and source mstriel havig the relationship they do so endure... Ends up changin things up for who knows.... Maybe ",time" sake? Or even jus the lil part that its more of a "side quest" opposed to the "Campaign" to which the writers intend to keep us the audience focused on overall...? I mean its silly for one to "say" (not Feel) that it didnt make sense tho... R.T.
Remember that the books are canon lore. Any other media are adaptations of the original, and I understand that TV needs to change a few things to make it more palatable for a viewing audience. But this really makes Cole out to be a monster and a fool
Uh? I don't get it
Criston Cole killed Joffrey in a tourney but they changed it in the show where he kills him at a wedding which makes no sense
@@Ducky-vl7mpDid he kill joffery on purpose or by accident in the books
@@themoon3588 I believe it was due to him being rejected by Rhaenyra. Joffrey was Laenor's (Rhaenyra's husband) lover so there was some bad blood there.
It was also not uncommon for people to get injured or die in these tournaments so that's why he wasn't really punished
@@themoon3588 It's not clear, besides Joffrey died 6 days later (he was very injured), so maybe Criston didn't mean to actually kill him
@@themoon3588 that's unclear, but the tourney gives plausible deniability. The way the show is made he really should have been punished - or we deserved an explanation why he wasn't.
Why did Cristin not suffer consequences after killing the small council member? He blatantly acted beyond his responsibilities as a kings guard and committed a heinous crime.
Although the book way is better than show, show still make sense. Cole was hurt watching his love to be marry to Laenor when Joffrey started to poke him. The only part that didnt make sense is Cole not to be punished for his actions.
House Targaryen should have wiped out the entire Hightower line.
Yeah, they just did that to be dramatic and it was a bad choice in my personal opinion. I still love to show. But the was a bad choice with a lot of other options.
I was really upset we didnt get more romance story on Rae and Harwin, honestly I just don't like the hoise of the dragon as much, it feels more centered on politics instead of being centered on the people and politics being a side thing.
I wonder what would happen if he found out one of those kids was actually his none of them were I don't think but it will certainly be interesting
This scene made no sense at all in the show. This scene was when I just said to myself... this show sucks. Like I daren't even tell some of my friends that I'm gay now... why would someone in medieval times go up to a complete stranger and tell them without flinching. It's so stupid. Then how can you punch someone in the middle of a royal wedding for 5 minutes until they die without being stopped, and without facing any legal repercussions. Like... killing the childhood friend of the groom should be death penalty in this world... surely. This show is just gore porn mixed with actual porn. No substance.
Criston started fucking Alicent. Alicent's last child's father was in question. Luckily the child had the Targaryen features when he was born.
They made a lot of strange changes but it's still really good, like why do none of the interesting ways beesbury died and just accidentally kill him, Criston should have thrown him out that window
Cole is an upset little girl he should have just been happy he was with her at all
He should have been happy? You know that he didn’t wanna have sex in the first place right 🤔🤔
The Rape Victim Criston Still Rightfully Hates Rhaenyra Because Rhaenyra Wanted To Continue Using Him For Sex After Already Ruining The Thing He Put His Entire Self Worth Into.
She Wanted To Continue Their Affair Despite Knowing The Dangers A Kings Guard Could Face & It Made Criston Realize That She Never Loved Him & Was Just Using Him To Please Herself & Playing With His Life!!
Little girl? Sounds like the p*do r*pist daemon
Talking about the show btw
I actually never understood why he killed renerays husbands boyfriend (idk any names sorry) it kinda just confused me and broke my heart
So the man simped even harder in the books
Wasn’t simping for her in the show nor was he inlove with her in the show.
He was just simping for the thing she ruined. The thing he put his entire self worth into
The show runners throwing out all in-show logic just show a gay man getting beaten to death on screen for no reason. And then they didn’t even bother how he straight up got away with murdering the king to be’s best friend? At their wedding with 100 witnesses??
I hope someone got fired.
This was so stupid... He killed a man at the princess' wedding, punched the groom (also the future king consort) and no punishment !