Dual 505-2: Complete Service Part 2

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  • čas přidán 20. 05. 2021
  • Let's tackle the motor actuator switch, general lubrication and setup in this video.
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Komentáře • 89

  • @rmle23
    @rmle23 Před 20 dny

    Very useful video, at this moment I´m refurbish a old Dual 505-04 and this video helps a lot.
    I see also the chapter one, thanks for sharing.

  • @williammartin6157
    @williammartin6157 Před 2 lety +3

    I bought my Dual 505-2 in 1987 and, after many years good use, it stopped working. It's now back in action thanks to your very clear video - it was a sticky switch problem.

  • @PhejutaWichasha
    @PhejutaWichasha Před 3 lety +1

    Brilliant presentation of repairing DAL 505

  • @jamieneath2894
    @jamieneath2894 Před 3 lety +6

    Both parts of this have been great and well worth the watch. Thank you so much!

  • @williammarchant2920
    @williammarchant2920 Před rokem

    Absolutely brilliant videos - thank you so much. I followed your instructions along with the vid. Great! I had exactly the same little challenges as you and hearing/watching you struggle to undo motor boxes etc made me confident I was doing it right as I had the same struggles!

  • @highonpropane1213
    @highonpropane1213 Před rokem

    Thank you for the video! I was able to fix my 505-4 that had been in the attic for 13 years.

  • @garryriley9203
    @garryriley9203 Před rokem +1

    Very informative, a great help in restoring a CS505-3. I also had problems with the power supply burning up, replacing the capacitors cured this issue.

  • @jeronronnunkoffunk4691
    @jeronronnunkoffunk4691 Před 9 měsíci

    Great video, have had some experience with some of the 6xx series and some of the other5xx series , was recently gifted this exact model, I am having success with everything else. I lubricated some pivot points, this has been helpful as I am having trouble with the speed selection it’s not fully engaging from 45 to 33, and I will have to order a pitch belt as the original is gone , probably from rotting away like I’ve seen on the other similar models. Great work and informative 👍🏽👍🏽🔥

  • @ChazzMetal
    @ChazzMetal Před 7 měsíci

    I had one of these laying around and I've been dying to get it fixed.
    Thanks to you video, I got it fully restored and ready to go. Thank you so much!

  • @jerryspeier9231
    @jerryspeier9231 Před 4 měsíci

    This is great. I bought mine in 1985 and it has served me well, but it's time for a new belt and whatever else that shows up. Thanks for doing these!

  • @mrhappy4982
    @mrhappy4982 Před 2 lety

    I had my 505 in storage for 10 years .. it did not work . From both part one and two. Done the motor. Done the switch.
    Now starts but sometimes runs in reverse. Replaced the capacitors on the motor PCB. All working again. Thank you. Music to my ears.

  • @derin111
    @derin111 Před 8 měsíci

    Excellent!
    I have one of these that I bought new whilst at university in about 1985. It’s been in a box, unused for AT LEAST 25 years. I plugged it in a couple of days ago and……nothing! Dead as a Dodo.
    I was on the point of either just dumping it or sticking it on Ebay at 99p No Reserve as ‘For Parts/Not Working’.
    But, I thought maybe there’s just some trouble-shooting checklist and found these two videos. I followed them to the letter, found that speed adjust belt was completely broken along the way, did all of the rest of the service and replaced that belt as described and also put on a new main belt and….it works!
    Amazing! Nearly 40 years old and it, the Marantz CD52 and the NAD 3155 Integrated Amplifier that I bought all at the same time still work perfectly!
    Thanks for the videos!

  • @Arni_Klbg
    @Arni_Klbg Před 5 měsíci

    Excellent Video. Helped me so much. Thanks!

  • @JeffLevy99
    @JeffLevy99 Před 2 lety

    This video really helped me with a Dual 506 without sub-platter. The only issue I still have is the pitch control... i cant get it quite perfect and it seems to stop at a point in either direction. i.e. the pitch control will only go so far. It sounds fine though.

  • @jamiewhite4238
    @jamiewhite4238 Před 4 měsíci

    This Dual 505-2 Service is incredible! I watched both videos and I am now tempted to service my 505-2. Could you possibly give me a run down of the exact tools I would need, you have some very precise tools for removing and tightening the tiny parts eg springs, nuts etc Also the kind of synthetic grease you used when lubricating the switch, and the one you used on the main bearing under the sub-platter that seemed to be in some kind of trigger container?
    Thanks for putting these videos up, they are great!

  • @eah4187
    @eah4187 Před 2 lety

    Thanks for a great informative vid. Concerning the homemade pitch belt, I was thinking of using a strip from an appropriate sized innertube. Do you think it would work?

  • @ripley2651
    @ripley2651 Před 5 měsíci

    id reccomend a recap of these turntables after all this time as well. their power supply contains 2 x class rifa safety capacitors, notorious for bulging and going inoperative after years of disuse.

  • @marcelocampoamor4761
    @marcelocampoamor4761 Před 2 lety

    thank you!

  • @sethmarlow5352
    @sethmarlow5352 Před 2 lety

    So helpful, thanks. I have a recently acquired 510 that has some kind of actuator issue where it starts turning when the arm is lifted but as soon as the platter starts turning it turns itself off. This only happens with the platter on. If anyone has ideas about this, I’d appreciate them.

  • @jeronronnunkoffunk4691
    @jeronronnunkoffunk4691 Před 4 měsíci

    Good video man, I’m in strange spot with a dual 505-2 , I’ve came pretty far with it then the lever to change speeds from 45 to 33 it gets stuck in between until I nudge the mechanism attached to the tempered spring then the belt moves up to 33, going from 33 to 45 is no problem!!! I’ve cleaned and oiled the surfaces but to no avail same results and this is with new tight belts. And also I’ve now run into an issue where the platter doesn’t stop at the end of travel. could you maybe explain where I may have gone wrong because I am frustrated and lost my patience and if my buddy who’s a good tech had not stopped me today I can very close to taking this table to the trash bin!

  • @lifer9883
    @lifer9883 Před 11 měsíci +1

    On both videos can i do same on the 505-1? its okay you answered my question at the end of the video.

  • @virgilkinsley
    @virgilkinsley Před 3 měsíci

    Thanks for the walk through.
    My issue seems to be the opposite of what a lot of videos are addressing. My plate won’t stop spinning. I have to unplug it to get it to stop. Is thre a switch that gets it to stop once the arm goes past a certain point?

  • @the.record.collective

    I have this exact model and I followed your video, the tone arm doesn’t come down or up when I move the lever, I’ve looked at your two videos and I couldn’t find a missing piece, but I may be missing something, any advice please? Thank you

  • @kmartshopper281
    @kmartshopper281 Před 2 lety

    Extremely helpful. I have a 502 and when I bring the tone arm back to the reset position the motor doesn't reset. I have to go past the the tone arm rest in order for it to stop. Do you know if there's an adjustment for this?

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před 2 lety

      I would check for dried, sticky grease first. There should be a service manual for download on vinylengine.com

  • @coneyblue9349
    @coneyblue9349 Před 2 lety

    Hi,
    Thank you for these vids, really helpful.
    I have a 505-2 which had not been used for 20 years +.
    When I try and play it now, there is only sound from the left channel and this is tiny. Also a slight mains hum. Could this be the stylus or cartridge need replacing? If so, what would you suggest?
    Many thanks from the UK.

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před 2 lety

      RCA plugs are shot. Replace them, or replace the cables altogether.

    • @jeffsimon9594
      @jeffsimon9594 Před rokem

      I had this same issue, turned out to be the cartridge leads no longer making good contact with the cart pins, a bit of gentle jostling brought the sound back. Yet one more issue arising from people neglecting these lovely decks for decades because of the advent of CD.

  • @user-km8lb7fq4f
    @user-km8lb7fq4f Před 2 lety

    Tell me why the suorosti does not switch? Is it because of the belt?

  • @lifer9883
    @lifer9883 Před 11 měsíci

    i received my dual 505-1 today, serviced it and added some oil to bearings, looked at back of turntable and it has an earth pin and a three pin din, i am confused, how do i connect turntable with a three pin din connector to preamp?

  • @jimmygbent
    @jimmygbent Před 2 lety +2

    Great video, really informative! I just got a Dual 505 and went to set it up but the dial on the arm has no numbers left on it because they have worn off so I'm struggling to balance it because I don't know the zero point/baseline and the dial will just turn and turn in both directions. Any advice?

  • @anthonywillis5249
    @anthonywillis5249 Před rokem +1

    Very interesting. I have just got one of these for nothing as my neighbour was throwing it out. I found it abandoned outside. I took it in and it worked OK-ish but there was a terrible hum coming through the amplifier. After asking a friend he said it was an earthing issue. Anyway I was taking it apart to check the wires only to break the steel strip that helps to change the RPM speed. Can this be fixed or should I trash it?

  • @derin111
    @derin111 Před 8 měsíci

    As per my other comment, your extremely clear and helpful videos have helped me resurrect my 505-2 after cleaning, oiling and renewing the belts as you described.
    I thought it was working perfectly, however, today I’ve realised that it only allows 33 and doesn’t change to 45 speed when selected. What could be the cause of this?
    Many thanks

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před 8 měsíci

      There is a mechanism under the platter that manually moves the belt from one rung on the motor to another. But, the turntable has to be in motion for that to occur.

    • @derin111
      @derin111 Před 8 měsíci

      @@TurntableGuyThank you for the reply. I’m going to take it all apart to check again this evening.

  • @spenny6222
    @spenny6222 Před 2 lety

    Hi, I'm new to the science of audio so forgive me if this is a stupid question. Why isn't the speed / pitch set with a record on and playing? Surely the tone arm will create some drag, slowing the pitch!

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před 2 lety +1

      The rough adjustment can only be made with the platter off, but once everything is back together, you can definitely adjust the speed with the pitch control when a record is playing.

  • @abrewsterarchitect
    @abrewsterarchitect Před 2 lety

    Great vid. I have a dual 502 with a cue lever that is not working, the spring seems to be broken, can you do a video on that?

  • @WinSchutten
    @WinSchutten Před 2 lety

    I've been thinking of getting a higher end system. Aside from mavbe a better cartidge, My dual 505 seems pretty good. Except maybe for the crappy RCA cables coming out of it.. Any advice for getting better shielded coax out and replace the stock cables?

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před 2 lety +1

      It's not the cables that's usually the problem with Dual turntables, it's the plugs on the end that fail. The stock cables are well shielded and perform perfectly fine.

    • @WinSchutten
      @WinSchutten Před 2 lety

      @@TurntableGuy It's going to be the veeery last thing I'll add to my system,. but after Blue Jeans cables, I do wonder if adding special cables on this end do anything.. Other then it just being RCA cables,, the Dual has pretty much all the features I'd want.

  • @gregeroberg3231
    @gregeroberg3231 Před 2 lety

    Hello, very helpful, follow up question, I have the exact same machine where the resistor on the PCB gets HOT, smoking hot and the windings of the motor is giving different values, would you say that the motor is toast? The components on the PCB is all ok, they give the correct values. Maybe I need to get a new motor. Would very much appreciate any answer. Thanks.

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před 2 lety +1

      Haven't really heard of that issue yet. I know that these tables do have problems with the capacitors on the main board resulting in a backwards-rotating motor. Perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to replace all the components on the board - it should not be very difficult or expensive.

    • @jeffsimon9594
      @jeffsimon9594 Před rokem

      I had the same issue. Resistor tested in spec with meter so I just kept operating my CS505-1 and the smoking stopped. Apparently the resistor coating soaks up moisture whilst stuck in the shed or attic for two decades while its owner follows the herd and switches to some new trendy format like CD. This moisture usually burns off quickly then all is fine again, though please note if it persists it can mean the resistor is drawing too much current due to a motor or main bearing in need of lubrication. Which TG has brilliantly covered in these clips!

  • @cockeygit5473
    @cockeygit5473 Před rokem

    Great video for the Dual 505. Do you happen to have worked on a Sony PS-X60? I have a real issue with the tonearm returning to rest but not lowering until you press start again. I'm stumped so any suggestions are most appreciated.

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před rokem

      No video on the X60 yet. Service manual should be available at vinylengine.com

    • @cockeygit5473
      @cockeygit5473 Před rokem

      @@TurntableGuy Yes, I have the full service manual and checked everything within my limited electronic knowledge. Mechanically everything is spot on, I have serviced all parts it plays perfectly but when the tonearm returns it will not lower to rest until you start it again. It's a fabulous turntable and I can live with it not lowering but it would be nice to get to the bottom of it.

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před rokem +1

      @@cockeygit5473 I'd say the auto-return is not fully disengaging. Look for an arm that presses up on the arm lifter within the turntable.

  • @mf1932
    @mf1932 Před 3 lety

    Another excellent episode! OT and I know I sort of asked you about this before, but I was curious about your experiences with the Technics SL-Q2's rare IC chip failure issue. Knowing what you know about electronics, do you just generally think the builds on those 40-year-old direct drives are so solid that they'll likely outlive us all? Or do you think they have another 5-10 years left on them? Similarly, is the chip issue an inevitability, or just a freak occurrence that has happened to a few of them because of faulty production, etc.? Thanks, and sorry for the bother! (Oh, one more random question: have you heard of any good, compatible options for swapping out the old feet on a Q2. I've been having platter leveling issues recently with mine. Wish it had adjustable feet!)

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před 3 lety +2

      No one really knows why ICs fail. It could be voltage surge. Your guess is as good as mine. Some people believe it is due to capacitor degradation, but I'm not convinced about that. As for feet, check out organdonorparts.com for used parts. There are aftermarket options, but I like to keep the table original when possible.

    • @mf1932
      @mf1932 Před 3 lety +1

      @@TurntableGuy Thanks again!

  • @allanwales
    @allanwales Před 7 měsíci

    Hey, i have inherited an almost new-like cs505-3...plugged it in and it's dead....checked the fuse, no issues there....does this need the ground connector to be connected to work? I haven't bought an amp as yet, as only just inherited it!! Many thanks. :)

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před 7 měsíci +1

      No the ground is only for audio. You need to check power supply voltages. Download service manual at vinylengine.com

  • @derekzimmerman988
    @derekzimmerman988 Před rokem

    Any idea where I can get a replacement dust cover for the cs 505-2?
    Doing a job for an older couple and he had this record player sitting in a old oak stereo cabinet. Asked if he was interested in selling it and he actually ended up giving it to me for free. Now i just wanna clean her up and service everything and the top dust cover is cracked. Id really love to replace it.
    Thanks in advance for any guidance.

  • @umeshupadhyay...
    @umeshupadhyay... Před 5 měsíci

    What is the difference between the dual models of 505,505 1,2 3 4.

  • @beccalubrin2073
    @beccalubrin2073 Před rokem

    Hi - I have found be out f these and need to change the stylus/cartridge - can’t work out how to get it off! Can you help? :-)

  • @kay-rod7638
    @kay-rod7638 Před 3 lety +1

    Just wondering, how do you know which oil to use, and for what parts?

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před 3 lety

      It depends on the type of oil/grease that was used originally. Some manufacturers spec a certain type of oil for their tables and that can be in the instruction/service manual.

    • @kay-rod7638
      @kay-rod7638 Před 3 lety

      I have a Sansui 2050c that the manual call for the oil that came with the turntable, which is long gone. What do I use as a substitute? Thanks

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před 3 lety +1

      @@kay-rod7638 Some 3-in-1 electric motor oil should be fine

  • @dannyyy1012
    @dannyyy1012 Před 2 lety

    Have you ever resolved a persistent hum issue on these models? I have a 505-3 and a 506 which both have a hum when connected to an amp. Checked everything and made connections with the ground wires in various ways. Only thing is to swap for a more shielded cinch cable because when I get near the cable with my hands, the hum increases :( When working, nice enough TT, but with hum issues, oh boy...

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před 2 lety

      Hum can be the most difficult thing to track down and eliminate. Perhaps it is your cartridge?

    • @johansandman1688
      @johansandman1688 Před 2 lety

      Definitely sounds like the cable, change it. You can test with only one cable in and bend it and listen for hum if it changes, then you found the problem. Check the ground wire inside that its securely connected to the chassis. Or maybe broken also?

    • @eah4187
      @eah4187 Před 2 lety

      I have same problem, ground wire doesn't seem to be doing its job.

    • @petecollins4925
      @petecollins4925 Před 2 lety +1

      New phono and ground cables and new RCA's eliminated all of my hum problems.

    • @Dee.J.Mogfry
      @Dee.J.Mogfry Před rokem

      ​@eah4187 110% rca cables! I upgraded mine...don't use the standard ones as they ain't that good.

  • @MarkRowland-fx8xg
    @MarkRowland-fx8xg Před 4 měsíci

    I have a 505-1 which doesnt turn on. The switch appears to be operating ok. The belt looks fine and the spindle turns freely. Any ideas what this could be. It was working until recently

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před 4 měsíci

      You need to start measuring voltages.

    • @MarkRowland-fx8xg
      @MarkRowland-fx8xg Před 4 měsíci

      Now fixed. Was the ground connection which needed a clean. Thanks for your videos which were very useful@@TurntableGuy

  • @len9518
    @len9518 Před 2 lety

    Why not recheck the speed when you're done? I'm wondering how much effect the weight of the outer platter has, since you set the speed without it. I realize you had no choice.

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před 2 lety

      The main platter will not affect the speed, but the stylus pressure on a record will. That's what the pitch control is for.

  • @rickc661
    @rickc661 Před rokem

    late here - different but maybe kinda common issue - Thorens TD 240-2 auto T'table with the 'dual ' tonearm.... uses the common tiny 4 wires and cheesy plugs into back of cartridge, not even any insulation tubing for added strength/ durability. ( the design with 4 replaceable 2 inch wires is far superior , SME design ? ) so of course I broke one of the attachment plugs /wires -- I'm 73 hands not so agile -- and now the fairly expensive T'table is worth less than 2 cents. it looks pretty impossible to replace the 4 wires that go inside tonearm down the pivot to a solder connection in back. generic replacement 4 wires sets are easily avail for $ 30. >. do Ya think it is possible to thread new wires thru the tonearm probably starting from the cartridge end so the connecting plugs don't go thru the small dia. tonearm. ??

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před rokem

      Tonearm wiring replacement can be a nightmare job. I would definitely be using the existing wire to pull the new wires through. Having said that, I have not worked on one of these "new" Thorens.

    • @rickc661
      @rickc661 Před rokem

      @@TurntableGuy thanks for answer. and super quick. and 'stereo stores' or electronic service places (even TV ) don't exist at least anywhere near here .. >> edit. I did it . sort of. couldn't pull the original wires thru , apparently without actually removing the arm assembly (no way ) So ran new 4 tiny wire set from head shell outside the tonearm then down to wind / solder to the bare ends of the cables out to rca jacks. actually works, well on 3 rd attempt. hack job but the semi expensive T'table now works.

  • @joemartin6439
    @joemartin6439 Před měsícem

    What the best way to contact you in BC

  • @cathound888
    @cathound888 Před rokem

    What sort of strobe disk are you using, and are you using a strobe light in conjunction with it, can’t see any evidence of it in video? If you are using a light which type do you use?

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před rokem +1

      You can print off a strobe disk from vinylengine.com. Lighting will have to be 50 or 60Hz, depending on where you are in the world. Strobe effect does not always come across on video.

    • @cathound888
      @cathound888 Před rokem

      Thanks for such a fast reply🙂, so are you just using the strobe effect fro standard light source in the room (50Hz here in Ireland)?
      Also thanks for great service video, working my way through an old 505-2 I recently bought. Switch on circuit board was fused together when I bought it. I’ve re capped it, couldn’t get a replacement switch, but discovered you can pop out the switch mechanism and clean the terminals so switch working fine now, I’m sure you probably knew this already 😉

  • @antoniojoseandreomartinez9710

    🙋❤️👍

  • @graememorrison333
    @graememorrison333 Před 2 lety

    Next up. How to service a sticky CS 505 arm... (please!)

    • @TurntableGuy
      @TurntableGuy  Před 2 lety

      Remove the plinth from the case and check the underside of the arm. Something is getting caught in the start mechanism.

    • @graememorrison333
      @graememorrison333 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TurntableGuy Wow! what a speedy response! I've done that and squirted things with lube, but so far, no good. Will go for a further examination later.