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I'm a product designer who deals with a lot of inventors, and have been 3D printing for about 20 years. I laughed out loud when you started talking about NDA's. I've wanted to yell "Nobody cares about your idea!" about 3 times a week for the past 10 years. You are right on about patents and NDAs. I may send this video to clients.......
The segment on Patents & NDA's is gold. It should be standalone video. (so more findable on YT)
Glad to see the "Testing Lab Kickstarter" got funded!
Regarding "UV Resistance"; a comparison of plastics to aluminum is a good reference. Bare aluminum oxides very quickly so loses its mirror like shine and turns dull with a milky white twinge if it does not have a lacquer or anodized coating. Unless scratched, or rubbed off, the oxidized layer acts as a protective coating. Related is thermo cycling, if a product is exposed to outdoors. Depending on color, surface temperatures can experience extremes. This could create more stress on and within a plastic structure. Perhaps a topic for future testing.
The best short explanation of the workings of patents I've ever heard!
I watch all of your videos and they are all comprehensive and very easy to understand. This one, though, in my opinion, is one of the best you've done. I have spoken to you and Anna multiple times and you are as helpful and efficient in person as well. Thank you for addressing NDAs...I'm sure I'm not the only one who didn't realize their request could be insulting on their face. We are far along in the process of working together, and I can't wait until production begins this month. Thanks Gabe, Anna, Gabby, and the rest of the team for running such a great American company! 🤩💯🌟🔥🏆🏁
I thought I had written this post LoL... (Dealing with Anna and Gabe!... both being helpful, efficient, smart, kind))... Gabe, this video was sooo good, and over the years, I've been dealing with (mostly avoiding) patents, nda's, etc. The only thing I might add, is that for under a hundred bucks, one can get a PPA (Patent Pending), which companies do like, as it shows you've done SOMETHING to show value, and it gives you a year to put the pedal to the metal to test if your product can gain traction (if you want to try to get a licensing/royalty deal). I used INVENTRIGHT (Stephen Key). You can also legally use the term "Patent Pending" on products and literature. (Just another tool to be aware of).
I’ve been in the process of researching patents and banging my head against that wall, so it’s nice to have it explained plainly. THANK YOU!
Just looked and it's funded with 2 hours to go ! Great job. Can't wait to see what you do with the equipment. :D
My debit card was charged earlier today. The Tangled Filament Product Testing Lab Phase 1 is GO!
Thanks Gabe for imparting that information on patents and NDAs. I felt like you were talking to me directly. I think you hit straight to the heart when you said to just get to selling your product. Spending money on a patent not knowing if it is successful is kinda pointless. I felt like you smacked me on the back of the head, in a loving manner of course. The other thing was when you said that an idea may not even last five years before it changes, that wouldn't be a smart use of capital. I hated to hear it but I'm glad I did. I have a learned a lot from your videos that I've tried to incorporate in my designs but the business side of it is where it is ultimately at. I'll keep watching and learning, thanks.
This is gold. Thanks for the insight of patents in the context of growing a business and inventing. something I've been wondering about for a long time.
This was a great video. The patent/NDA conversation was so helpful and spot on. Do more of these types of videos in addition to your excellent 3d print videos
Thanks
This is a spot on perspective for discussion of patents and NDAs. If we look at the history of our inventors (Edison, Bell and Tesla for example), the kinds of challenges and realities of patents were demonstrated even in their time. Then I reflect on the realities of forming a small business and small scale making. None of these issues are a cakewalk in my opinion.
So odd you brought up Edison and tesla in this context. Edison stole many of teslas ideas. Would patents have helped him? Probably not. He was poor and Edison was already wealthy.
10,202 - fantastic
Great information, thanks!
Will add that when we got started we went the patent route. Our lawyer did ask us about if we disclosed anything publicly when we filed. According to him it could affect foreign patent enforceability (as we understood him).
That said, the patient process was by far the most expensive part of our startup. Haven’t even come close with buying 7 quality 3d printers, a cargo trailer, tools, filament, etc to as much as the patent was. I guess time will tell the wisdom in getting the patent first but we could have done a lot more production and advertising with that money. 🤷🏻♂️
This! The NDA allows you to finish development while the patent is being filed, without compromising your patent.
This is crazy. I am in the process of hiring a patent lawyer. I had a company sign an nda over my inventions too. My experience has been much different. The nda was not taken as an insult. We have a very good relationship. Bit I was already a tradesman buying product from their company. I had met the GM once at a trade show and we live near each other so there was this home town aura around the whole situation. Now they are printing my stuff and are in process of deciding on parents. This part was definitely food for thought.
As a Ham Radio operator who's worked with clubs that have repeaters on top of high structures, one aspect of UV resistance that we deal with is that the resin to make fiberglass tubes that are used to enclose the antennas for the repeaters often spend years or decades outdoors exposed to sun and weather, tend to effectively evaporate out of the tube. These antenna systems undergo periodic inspection, which often includes someone going up and touching the side of the fiberglass tube to see if the tube has retained it's integrity, or if it's due for a replacement. Whether this is UV breakdown (often the provided explanation,) or if it's a combination of UV and other weather effects (I think this is more likely,) or if it is some other situation (the resin/hardener breaks down by exposure to Ozone?,) is somewhat irrelevant. It's a situation that requires replacing the repeater's antenna. Note that most of these antenna's cost less than paying the climber with appropriate insurance go to up and replace that antenna.
All this to say that If you are getting something like a Stevenson screen 3d printed, go ahead and either pay for the ASA, or paited version, but also work out how often you are going to be replacing the sensor sitting in that weather sensor screen, and plan on buying a new screen for the update.
I think UV causes the surface to become micro porous. Water enters the porous surface and freeze thaw cycles and other weathering results in continued degradation. Fiberglass antennas can definitely be more weather resistant but my Comet GP-6 has been up for five years and so far, so good. I used marine heat shrink over the section joints and the coax connection, mostly to keep out water which is the most likely source of problems but it also is a good UV protection. Carbon black is added to make things black and it's a great way to also make them UV resistant. Always use black nylon cable ties outdoors. Natural nylon is degraded by UV and becomes brittle.
The other issue with NDA's is that it can put the contract manufacturer over a barrel if the customer rejects the product. That happened to the shop I work for. We made a product for a customer (signed NDA) that had outside process involved. They didn't like the finish on the product the outside processor did and refused to pay. We ended having to scrap $1M worth of product with no recourse. No fun.
Great video!
I heard a similar thing from a successful inventor. He said forget the patent, be the first to market, have ability to fill demand, and make sure everyone in the space knows you.
We made the Kickstarter Goal!!!!! YAY fricken Yay!!!
UV depth penetration is dependent on the frequency. Higher frequency UV has higher energy but penetrates less. The most energetic UV, UVC, is absorbed by the atmosphere. UV is electromagnetic radiation and penetration is determined by the skin effect. where skin refers to a surface layer and not animal tissue). There's a formula for skin effect. Because it's an electromagnetic effect, the formula uses the material's resistivity, permittivity, and permeability, as well as the frequency. The higher the frequency, the less the penetration.
16:15 - 60 nm of penetration into human skin didn't pass my engineering smell test. I did a quick search and UVB (that makes vitamin D) penetrates the epidermis, typically 50-100 microns deep. UVA penetrates the epidermis and most of the dermis, typically 200 microns total. Gabe probably meant to say 60 microns and not 60 nm, although the lower UV in sunlight penetrates more than 60 microns.
As a freelance CAD designer I've got so many flashback from your video, thank you for the laugh !
Thanks for the perspective. It is appreciated.
I'm not a lawyer either, but I think the disclaimer you were searching for was "I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, this is just my personal experience." And -speaking as a law *librarian* - I agree that most people don't understand that the templates they find aren't complete. I had a friend create an NDA for a game he was working on, and it specified that any disputes would be settled in New York, because he'd copied the NDA from one he'd had to sign. I was all "Dude, we're in *alberta*. How are you going to convince a New York judge to hear this, and even if you do, are you really going to go live in New York for two years while the lawsuit drags on?"
. . . As 'GOOD as it gets' (!) on patenting, NDAs, & simply 'bringing a product to the market' ! ! ! . . .
When I was in grad school, I came up with an idea that was orders of magnitude better than my predecessor's idea, which he had gotten the university foundation to patent. My idea, was from an engineering POV much more effective, so I thought that I ought to be able to get my idea to be patented. So, my thesis wasn't published and I didn't write any significant papers on the idea. The problem was that there was no interest in my predecessors idea because it had no practical application, nor had the other ideas in prior art in the field. Reverse osmosis membranes were just not good enough that the problem we were addressing would have any impact in the next twenty or forty years. So the foundation never patented my idea, and what I netted from this is that I don't have a bound copy of my master's thesis, which was a clever albeit useless innovation.
I get approached about NDA’s from potential clients all the time in my leather business and now that I’m adding 3D printing to my business I’m sure I’ll hear more of it. It’s good to hear this talked about and would love to hear how new companies, inventors and others can better leverage technology to launch ideas more effectively.
Very interesting and informative! Thanks!
Nadas are absolutely useful and needed in industry. Maybe it has to do with what industry but I'm in the automotive industries and our NDAs are crucial when working with suppliers and our customers have us sign iron clad NDAs. It isn't personal. It isn't a lack of trust. It's for protection. NDAs mean you won't share your information to someone else. This can be very important when developing billion dollar programs that take 5 years.
Don't forget that while NDAs and Parents basically give you the ability to sue legally, but also it just acts as a barrier to the vast majority of people who will see the document and respect it. Without them someone can just say whatever they want without realizing the ramifications.
Anyways glad the kick-starter funded. Was getting a bit worried
First - I agree with most of your insight to Patents and NDAs. As a patent holder and NDA requester. You forget that with a patent you become a "Single Source Vendor" allowing your customer to streamline the purchasing/PO process. Also, owning a patent legitimizes your product in your customer/client's eyes. Regarding the NDA, I will request an NDA from all my vendors that I disclose any intellectual property. Exactly for the same reason you require your employees to sign an NDA. It's actually hypocritical of you to be insulted when asked to sign an NDA but you require your employees to sign an NDA.
This video is gold ! Thanks for all the information.
Just a quick question , if you start making the idea/product then somebody else can patent it ? Or is it because it's in the public domain the other person can't? .
In related news... you should not use a Bambu Lab printer to print products covered under an NDA. The default is uploading your client's files to a cloud server controlled by a Chinese company. Even if you air gap a Bambu Lab printer and jump through the punishing hoops to print locally from a micro SD card, Bambu Lab's end user agreement is basically All Your Files Are Belong To Us.
Great and very informative video. Thank you.
Keep in mind, maybe Apple no longer uses that Home button, but they also now have no one who can come in and put it on theirs to pull from customers who might've loved that feature enough to move away from Apple to get it. (I swear if you read that slowly it makes sense.)
Good video, but a huge miss on the patent discussion. You need to learn about a PPA, provisional patent application. It is cheap, pretty easy, and gets you protection while you prove your product in the marketplace.
Yeah, more importantly: if you don't fill for the PPA, you lost your chance as your own product can now be pointed to as prior art. I also don't agree with the "Nobody will steal your idea". Sadly, both China and Amazon have proven this wrong way too often.
Yes, good points! The patent-pending of a PPA is useful to get platforms such ss Amazon and Etsy to shut down copycats.
@@lxc3909 At least Etsy is not itself an actor on their own platform. Amazon is notorious for (ab)using trading data to decide what products can be offered at better prices.
Really enjoyed the patent section of this.
Very nicely put.. Especially The latter part regarding Patent & NDA's. The usefullness of them really defend on how much you can spend on them...=)
NGL, for a moment there I fully expected him to compare an NDA to a pre-nup. 😅
I understand you point on resin. Resin printing is more for niche markets like dental and ceramic prototyping (Phrozen has a ceramic resin they are releasing that's in it's testing stage). Or for small scale printing where you can charge more per print because of the time involved. But, to grow it tp larger scale you need more employees than with FDM because of the processing. I have a resin printer, which is more for personal use and fun stuff.
I love the longer videos
Thank you for your content, really helpful.
#1 I enjoy hearing about your business tactics and techniques on building a company.
#2 Thoughts on if it’s worth drying your filament? I mainly do PETG multi color prints and It seem to result in better prints but seems nominal….I have more testing to do.
There are countless videos on here demonstrating the benefits of maintaining dry filament. Do you want to print with plastic, or plastic & water?
@@Omniverse0 Yeah I get that. Im just curious the perspective from a guy that runs a giant print farm and probably goes through 1000’s of KG of filament a year.
Blender testing ? Numbers, data please; a standard cube ... weight after a 10 sec blend for each parameter. Or something.
For testing I am more interested in bending modulus vs number of walls.
Yeah, good mic. Well done.
zero inventory isn't quite right. The amount of filament and spare parts you need for a venture of this size is not negligible lol.
These are great vids by the way.
Also, will you guys be supporting other online prviderts with direct api access such as shopify or squarespace?
On the topic of shelves making the product i am curious if you have tested any advanced automation utilizing rail mounted robotic arms to do pick and place for conveyors with computer vision inspections to reduce hands on time with the printers?
Also thought the UV resistance balking is hilarious!!! The cosplay comunity has solved that for years with uv clear coat using pla in colder climates and we only switch to asa, petg, or ABS for the higher heat resistance when at a con in texas lol.
Agreed, a patent is a license to sue someone else. Patents can have goods and bads, just not the silver bullet many sadly think. Better to 'file' for a patent (cheap), start making them, then if apparently successful, do the patent, but at least you have the assets to follow through. Once you have actually sold products, you have a basis to fight others getting a patent on the same idea (but keep your idea documentation)!
Patent vs Patent look like Street fighter game 😂😢😅
I'm curious about what the process is for making something open source? Is that worth it do you think if patents aren't? (I know next to nothing about this, I've never been directly involved in these issues)
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So get rid of patents across the board? I think open source will work.
Speaking in absolutes is not a good plan when it comes to patents, IMO. It depends on the product, space, and timing. Once a product is shown at a trade show, for example, it's technically public domain. Then a large company could come along and make it and potentially nullify your patent. I think you make some good points, but there are no absolutes when it comes to this stuff.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
Would you suggest getting product liability insurance for a 3D printed product say if I were to do an Etsy store? Do I need to hire a product engineer or QA engineer? I’m a product designer that knows CAD but I don’t have any engineering credentials.
28:05 patents can be defensive that is you never plan to sue anybody but if anybody sues you then you sue back with your patent. And here comes a patent pool where multiple companies put patents in a shared pool and if any body sues any one in the alliance the entire alliance sues back.
Regarding trolls they work like this. A company that has no product and is entirely made up of lawyers collects patents (buy them or file them, a method to specify time in a time machine). Then they sue people who do have a real product. When the judge says both parties no longer can sell the disputed material until the case is resolved. The troll who does not have a product has an advantage.
"A word about patents" *is the whole video*. But I learnt alot and want it to be remade. It needs to be more like copyright
Wouldn't it be a better idear to not patent the product but an integral part of the production process, since that can be keept non public even after the product launch?
Trade Secret. Why patent it at all if it is hidden
@@slant3d just for the company valuation, as you said. And it would circumvent the issue of patending published inventions.
What do you think of using cheap cobots (igus has on for ~2500€) to handle resin parts?
Patents rant - perfecto waiting for GPT stuff to pop up.
As an entrepreneurial engineer, it's difficult not to tell some "idea guy" who wants free engineering advice but is afraid I might rip off his great idea that I had nine better product ideas before breakfast. I love product design. I had the choice of watching Netflix last night, but I did about half of the design on a new 3D printed product because that was more enjoyable. I have less interest in stealing and developing someone else's ideas than I do in stealing and raising their children.
Intellectual property isn’t real anyway. Also, ideas are not stolen. They may be duplicated & shared, but there is no scarcity
Tell me that after spending thousend of hours developing that "idea", adjusting parameters, tinkering your mathematical model, prototyping and Yet Is not real to you.
Tell me that after spending thousend of hours developing that "idea", adjusting parameters, tinkering your mathematical model, prototyping and Yet Is not real to you.
@@MRbasthor The best thing to do with an idea is to use it.
@@MRbasthor no, it’s not. You have no right to control the resources of others because of the effort you put into a project.
48:40 NDA sounds like a prenup haha
All the way through this video I was thinking I would Post that this is NOT Legal advice! ALL true advice , but in this day and age I was starting to worry until the end!
The type of forbidden legal advice is something very specific that would involve a law professional, you being their client and it's about your specific case. Anything else is just opinions or legal information. What that tries to make sure is that people can't get random people as attorneys nor that they can pose as one.
@@zapl80 My reply was directly to the point that the Karens will try to say it was legal advice. I never underestimate people, or lawyers... But, alas he said in the end what needed to be said, that was my point.
This information is not correct. If the product is being selled, no patent can be filled anymore.... It must be kept in secret before issuing the patent.
How about this idea lol. Make the company, sell the thing, then get the patent. Oh wowww. You now have money to spend on the patent, while continuing sales and only inconveniencing you in terms of diverted resources.
I thought the "will it blend" approach was pretty silly. Fun, but not informative.
How do you feel about a company owning all intellectual property of your employees and anything they think about, even after 6 months of retirement from said company? Talk about an innovation killer.
You might want to move to a saner jurisdiction.
Surprised that a company who wants to protect their IP would not just trust you? That was a "my feels" moment, not a logic moment. I don't even trust the phone in my pocket bro, you need some more perspective on that particular viewpoint.