Warhammer Fantasy 8th ed Tournament Special 03: 5 Battle Reports
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- Five battle reports! A roundup of five competitive Warhammer Fantasy battles which I played with my Bretonnians at the Cardiff Crusade Grand Tournament 2023.
LONDON LEGENDS GT (My Tournament!) on 29th-30th April. Last tickets still available at time of writing: / 872174740900299
Timecodes
Introduction - 0:00
Game 1 - 6:13
Game 2 - 21:45
Game 3 - 42:06
Game 4 - 59:21
Game 5 - 1:12:08
Evaluation - 1:23:53
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The story telling in this is top level. Well done mate 👏
Thanks man. The story is what it's all about really!
Honey wake up, Dr. Blaxill posted more Warhammer!!
Oh yes, wake her up. And if she doesn't, well, you will have Dr blaxill to yourself😂
Tis true! In my tour of the Bretonnian inns and halls nothing is more requested than 'Repanse's Rebuke', recounting the day she halted her steed across the path of some young impetuous knights and uttered the immortal words: "cool it."
The virtue of maidenly restraint!
Easily best storytelling in Warhammer! Please do more - it's a pleasure to watch! You might actually get me back into the hobby after over 20 years :)
Thanks :-) Inspiring people to get back into the hobby is the best compliment you can give me! More will certainly be coming!
Oh man, sounds like an absolute nightmare of a dice day hahahahahha. Really well told, well done.
Dr. Luke! Your content is always so welcome. Canny, thoughtful play, an interesting list, and beautiful models. Keep the bat-reps coming!
Thank you for sharing your tournament adventure, superb storytelling through the highs, lows, best laid plans, and unforseen hiccups, that had me laughing and groaning in places. Enjoyed seeing the armies, great photos, even that blurred one, my brain automatically saying.. "ah yes, an action shot, excellent". I've had utterly pants games with cascading routs and times when trolls have spent whole games refusing to budge while picking their noses or having a nap. Good luck with the London Legends tournament.
5 games of fantasy never fails to provide the full gamut of emotions!
Amazing narrative:)
Lovely to see your beautiful army fielded again, particularly enamoured of the Grail Reliquae which has inspired me to have a go at some modelling (could never afford the model back in the day).
A brave showing by Chantelle and her retinue, could never make an MSU army work and relied on combat resolution (with perhaps equally ineffective results) to have an impact. Mind you, equipping my knights with rubber lances did not help! I remember many humiliating defeats against a certain Dark Elf army particularly well !
Good luck with the London Tournament, sadly do not have the stamina required. Thank you for continuing to share the adventures of your noble knights!
May the Lady continue to bless you Sir Knight!
The problem MSU has is getting the big wins. Bretonnians are not comped generously enough to try to go for 5 slim wins and a kick up from the comp score. You've got to get big wins really just like other armies, ands against unbreakable and stubborn opposition that's simply noy possible with such an approach.
Good luck with the Reliquae. I've been enjoying them!
Thank you for another great report! This is definitely the format I prefer on battle reports. Much easier to focus on and picture what actually happened rather than try to follow a video from the action happening. Also, managed to finish few Men-at-Arms with spears and Mounted Squires while listening.
Yes, it's great to be able to paint and watch. I think a few people do that with my videos!
Another great tournament report , Luke.
Thank you, Steve.
It would be great to see a showcase of your Bretonnian collection, similar to the retro army of Chaos Warriors!
Personally, I would like to take a closer look at the banners. Maybe you made their photo showcase at any blog site?
It's on my list to do, yes! :-)
What a superb report! Really interesting analysis and great photos.🖖
Thank you so much 😀
I really enjoyed this video. Best battle report on youtube ive seen that comes close to when i read battle reports in the white dwarf as a kid. Great looking army & great narration.
(Would be interested to see you play maybe a different army aswell :)
Love this
I think these are getting better and better Luke. The first two were particularly amusing
Excellent tournament report, you deserve way more subscribers!
I'd certainly like to get 1,000, that's an important milestone for any youtube channel. Please recommend the chanel to others you think might be interested 😀
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nice to meet you at the event! great recap of the day and well done on finish!
Cheers :-)
Loving this content. It would be great to see more of your warriors of chaos on the battlefield too!
Yes, they are overdue a tournament report, something I hope to fix in the next few months.
@@DrBlaxill Great to hear it!
His WoC are a trap. The eye candy distracts you whilst he then devised devious subterfuges to destroy you. There’s a reason why you see him converse with a keeper of secrets!
This is awesome!
Im taking my Chaos Dwarfs to a Warhammer Armies Project tournament here the weekend after WarhammerFest. I actually usually play Bretonnia, but decided to change it up, as I know that most people don’t get to play into Chaos Dwarfs very often (haven’t seen one in the last couple of years), and I want to see how they perform.
I love that dark elf army.
They are tempting to play- they are only of the other armies I'd like to own and play with!
Are lovely , enjoy these battle reports l
The thought of ambushing Grail Reliquaes is funny.. :)
I love that you're playing a "dead game" and yet not a single list you've drawn so far (rds 1-4) was even remotely weak. Cudos to the UK for bringing the heat.
Yes it's still pretty competitive for the most part I think, although perhaps not quite as it was pre AOS (not a time I saw unfortunately).
hes back!!! cant wait to get stuck into this. theyre always a banger
I have really enjoyed listening to your tournament reports and I especially appreciated the Stillmania reference in this one. I am looking forward to watching more!
I might do a little retrospective on Stillmania (and by extension Nigel Stillman). I'm a fan.
@@DrBlaxill I always hoped to come close to his ideals but have always ended up falling short. The video idea sounds great.
Great video as always. Its a pleasure to see your videos for us Bret lover.
It would be great to see a video displaying your army and collection of miniatures, and talk about your fav minis. I am very curious ;)
Yes there should be a bret video. A different sort of one to my chaos one as its very different army stylistically and historically.
@@DrBlaxill great! And when It Will come out?
I am suddenly inspired to paint-up a Reliquary because of how you deployed them here. Fun little project.
They absolutely have a role I think. Everyone underestimates them and getting bogged down in an anvil against Bretonnia is inherently dangerous due to the threat of countercharges
Great video
At 14:19 look at the position of the tomb guard. There is no way for him to charge into the knights legally so that all his models touch the knights, he could only clip with the left most 1-2 models. You can only make a single wheel when charging.
Right. However, he could have reformed the TG more carefully the turn prior to have allowed the charge
@@DrBlaxill you are correct, looking at 13:15. You can see that in that position, it is possible. The TG's position changes by mistake after you removed the hill. Also, I don't know about 8th edition but in 9th Age after a combat you can perform a post combat-pivot or a post combat reform. With the post-combat pivot they can only pivot about the centre. If they reform then they can't score or charge in the next player turn.
Wow so fun
A marvelous watch (as always). Several knife edge battles that could have gone either way.
What is the next army you are going to try?
Wood Elves. I have painted about 25 archers and 10 scouts.
I'm not exactly a wood elf temperamentally (I'm much closer to high or dark elf there) but they seem to me to pose the greatest tactical variation.
Please give us a competitive list suggestion when The Old World drops.
oh yes
Thanks for the game! You definitely earned that win, I’m a pretty new player (only second tournament) so seeing a different list piloted really well was a really inspiring and eye opening game. Apologies for the slightly generic dark elf list, thought I’d go hard on something a bit more sweaty this time around to get it out of my system after a 0-5 with my skaven last year, keen to try some more different and interesting lists going forward though.
I used a very generic warriors of chaos list for 2 years or more when i started gaming, but it was comped quite hard (similar to yours). I found in time I did as well with a -1 or -2 list with a few changes as I gained experience. But with warriors, and I expect delves, you will probably end up with a minus list overall however you skin it. Experimentation is so much fun at the beginning but I definitely recommend a harder list for a new plater.
Amusingly one modification I did mak4 was use thr 3++ disc lord (Generic chaos strong thing) without his ward save on closed list events. People just assumed he was the uber build and reacted accordingly - I.e. never attacked him- when he was actually a phoney!
Excellent video as always! I'm presently playing in an ongoing campaign with some very competitive players; it allows Warhammer Armies Project's 8th edition books, so I'm playing as Araby, one of the weaker armies with excellent manoeuvre capabilities but not much else - seeing you play in a very similar position and still do very well warmed the cockles of my heart! The... variant character name pronunciations (and epithets in Morathi's case) always get a laugh too.
One question: how do you actually compose these reports? They always have so much detail that it seems difficult to believe you do it all from photos and memory, but I can't imagine there's much time for note-takibg during a game?
Thanks. Araby sounds pretty cool- movement based armies are my favourite, as for me its the fun of playing more than the list building aspect I enjoy.
Reports are done by taking photos during the game of the key moments and piecing them back together afterwards. I will try and recall what happened in each turn from the photos then write it down in basic notation before dictation. Of course, I have to do that quite soon after the game (at least to get to note form) or otherwise I'll forget. With normal 'friendly' battle reports this is much easier as there isn't a time limit and it's only a single game. These tournament style ones with 5 games in a weekend are slightly harder to do that with though- especially when it gets tight/rushed and I'm playing with an unforgiving army anyway. No doubt I miss things, but the key moments are all in there even with tournement style ones. I do think that with a series of photos it's easier than one might think to recall afterwards, and the broad story of the game and why it unfolded as it did I tend to remember quite well. Perhaps that's just me, but find I warhammer inherently quite memorable compared to all other games I've played, and somehow games played physically (especially one off ones or ones I played in a place I hadn't been before or against a new opponent) do tend stick in the mind!
@DrBlaxill Araby is wonderful fun to play - lots of funny little tricks. One of the more interesting Armies Project armies. Hard to find the 8th ed version now, and even their unofficial 9th Ed has just been nuked by GW, but I've got all the 8e stuff downloaded and it adds a lot of interest to be able to play as some of the setting's minor factions like hobgoblins, Estalia, Albion, Fimir etc.
You're quite right about in-person warhammer being very memorable, too, especially I guess if you have so many photos to serve as references. Still impressive how vividly you can recall it, but maybe my take-away here is that I should start writing more of my games up as Battle Reports!
Amazing video as always! What models was used for the grail relique? :-)
A real mixture of models.. some of the mantic graveyard for the simpler one, a 3d printed cart, and a suit of armour from a wargames terrain site (I could did outnthe precise ref). The reliqae with the Knight lying down has a back from Karl franz 5th ed Griffin. The monks are from gripping beast and one other manufacturer (again I could find precise references if you want them)
As always, thanks for this top-grade battlereporting. It actually motivated me to try it too, I will have a game later today that I will try to turn into one myself.
After the first game: the Khemri seem overcorrected.
Second game: I think this is a good example of how gold luck in one side can negate luck in the other. Your good charges were completely ruined by the dark elves equally good counter roles.
Third game: seems like the final charges were a bit too greedy. Doable, but maybe a bit too much.
Fourth: loved the cauldron charge.^^
Fifth: And here I feel Tomb Kings would be better with the Vampire marching rules or their old spell casting back.
What you played is called the Royal Airforce over here and is considered a rather strong, though tough to play, list. I sometimes play an Empire variant of it. Had a similar game to your second game against a Dark Elf a while ago. Very fun one, lots of tricky movement.
Anyway, thanks for the reports and maybe I can fly over for your tournament next year.^^
That's really interesting- royal airforce. Lots of Peg heroes and heavy cavalry. I can see how empire would work woth demis too. Dark Elves probably strongest though as they can get 1+ armour save on the peg master. The bret one is only 3+ generically.
I will probably try a similar list again. It's fun to play but quite matchup dependent.
Please do a video on the latest warhammer community post re bretonnia and bases. Love to know your thoughts.
Yes, I've been thinking of doing just that!
With each battul I will spam you with my army updates. Really really can't wait to face some of you curteous gentlement in Cardiff.
As of moment of writing, after initial 3 months of prep and struggle to reach pallatable colour scheme, I finally managed to come up with some decent compromise and can proudly brag about my two completed forest goblin archers and three more comming up very soon!
Forest Goblins are something of a blast from the past...I remember the 4th ed ones, which were superb models
Great video, thank you for that! I just wanted to ask regarding your Pegadin build - have comps changed the value of some items, or was your third Pegadin a lord? Tress of Isoulde and Virtue of Knightly Temper total 60 points as far as I remember, so these couldn't be taken on a Paladin and I can't see how a lord was afforded with the Green Knight and Chantelle.
If this tournament is using the Triple Crown rules, then Bretonnian Lords can take a Virtue at no pints limit and Paladins can take up to 50AP of Virtues on top of their magic items.
Also, they can take magic items at their standard rulebook costs.
As Red Svaim says below, you would normally be right but triple crown comp count Virtues as separate. This is the most useful build I've found. Tress plus gromil great Helm plus virtue Knightly Temper, on a pegasus.
Oh christ that is very nice, the number of opportunities that could open up are unbelievable! I'm going to give your MSU and multiple Pegasus paladin list a run next weekend, my first game in years!
@@mamabison5531 Cool. Good luck...it's not the easiest list to play!
I think your army is pretty solid and should have finished higher if it wasn't for the badluck on day 1.
...I agree!
Great report 👍 thanks for sharing. What happened to the unicorns? Did the tournament change the rules? I thought they were a great addition to the Bretonnians.
Me too. Yes, they removed them- not something I agree with.
@Dr Luke Blaxill That's a bummer, they were very fitting for Bretonnians. After watching your reports I decided to add some to my own Brets.
@Dr Luke Blaxill I was looking through the 2023 tournament pack, and they do allow Royal Unicorns. What are your thoughts on those? Yes, they are more expensive, but +1 Attack, +1 Strength, +1 Toughness, +2 Wounds, and a Stomp.
@@hneugiii1245 I think that for a chaff role the generic pegasus would be a better choice. The Royal Unicorn is probably better as a unit I think.
The generic Unicorn for 16 points with move 10 and immune to psych is incredibly good as it is a very reliable piece of chaff and an extra drop for an army that goes second anyway. Nowehere near good enough to ban however...
@@hneugiii1245 yes they are also pretty and look good with my Prophetess!
Finally something's out
Always a joy to see your models, so this is once more very much appreciated!
Commenting on the games as they come, a bit down below to not spoil it for others:
1. Damn that first game was brutal at the start! Whatever cursed frog your Brets had for breakfast, it definitely screwed them up. Feels like you came out of it really well given that rough first turn.
2. First things first: that single CO is a travesty indeed - but for a different reason! I think IF one goes for such a gamey thing, the model could at least be PROPER: just taking a regular CO (with saddle!) looks so weird and... just wrong. Not a fan, not a fan at all. No offense towards the player of course, just a question of taste for me.
Good game overall, with some bad luck and spectacular moments again.
3. That moment when you describe the opposing list and I think "what the hell have you done to the gods of propability to deserve this?"
And holy heavens did you get served again... bloody hell!
4. Brilliant game, with a result that indeed does not tell the story of the events. Congrats to some serious luck there!
5. Good game again, without any disasters for a change. XD
An overall good showing, with a respectable result indeed. Kudos for fielding an underdog army, and double so for going even more against "conventional wisdom" with a different approach to the list. Interesting to see how it worked, if not so stellar in the end.
Many thanks for your detailed documentation, I really enjoy your take on battle reports and retelling the flow of your games. I hope for many more of these to come, and already look forward to the upcoming London Legends!
Thanks for such an extended comment. Yes, the more I think of it the more I am tempted to conclude these five games were not very typical. Having played with this list in perhaps 10 warmup games against very strong players I think I only lost three, and by very small margins. The problem was more that I didn't ever win big. I thought that experience would be what would happen at the tournament, but it ended up not playing out that way at all given the matchups. I'd love to try it again I must admit... however I think my next tournament BR will be chaos (which I like a lot although find slightly less interesting to play than the Brets as they don't have the challenge factor).
What is the rating system mentioned and where can i find it?
Great report btw!
The Triple Crown Comp? Here- under Comp Pack
www.triplecrownwargaming.com/
Where can we find more information on your future tournament?
facebook.com/events/s/london-legends-gt-2023/872174740900299/
53:46 sucks for you that the Grail Knights flee, but at least it beats these predictable stubborn/fearless matchups which are boring.
Yes, I agree. This list was a lot of fun to play, even though it struggled with those big blocks- I don't particularly enjoy playing them myself.
khemri weakest army ? Did we play the same 8ed ? I would rate them way above beastmen and bretonnia. Great video realy enjoyed it
In the UK tournament meta, Bretonnians get devastating charge for the army and Beastmen get free marks of chaos. I agree that without those buffs TK would clearly be stronger than both.
is this battlecat painted like the Lying Cat from Saga???
I am very in favour of the introductions to these reports being a homage to what you might read on the first page of a Fighting Fantasy novel!
YOU are the hero!