Don't Use Google For Photo Backup!
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Photos these days usually stay in digital form. Sometimes we back them up to the cloud for safekeeping: but who is getting access to your sensitive images when you do so?
In this video we look at the built-in photo backup options on iPhone and Android, and how private they really are. We also explore more private backup solutions, and how to set them up to happen automatically so that you never have to worry about losing your precious memories ever again.
There are some really simple solutions that don’t require any technical skill.
00:00 Who ELSE has access to your private photos
00:55 iPhone Default Backups
02:31 Android Default Backups
03:13 Graphene Default Backups
04:35 Proton Photos
05:42 Self Hosting Photo Backups
07:49 Synology
11:11 Nextcloud
13:09 Summary
Digital memories have become a central part of our lives. I’m really excited that you are treating them with the privacy they deserve.
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im looking into Nextcloud for a privacy focused alternative to Google workspace (docs/drive/sheets/ect.). Cool to know it will do backups as well.
After hearing about NextCloud, I am planning on setting up a server as a summer project now. Thanks for making such an awesome product.
Whatever you back up, use a 3-2-1 pattern. 3 copies, 2 of which online and 1 off line. A gold standard in backing ups.
128GB BD-XL Sony discs and Linear Tape-Open cassettes (which can cost cost around $45 for 6 TB of data storage) are better than simply using external HDD drives as backup.
I've a slightly different definition for this pattern. (3) At least three copies of the data (i.e. primary plus at least two backups); (2) At least two different media types (e.g. magnetic, solid state, optical); (1) At least one copy off site. I like your notion of two online copies and one offline, where online means immediately accessible (not necessarily on the internet), and where offline is on media that is effectively write only and unpowered to guard from malware, for example.
@@spicychad55why the HDs are not better? dealing with tons of discs is a pain. Maybe chepear but I prefer dual HDs. 1:1 copy.
That's not how it works. The 3-2-1 rule is 3 copies on at least 2 different forms of medium, 1 of which is off site. Industry standard.
@@JohnSmith-zl8rz The disc thing is a bit weird of a suggestion, but LTO's (data tapes) are pretty cheap. I just looked and you get get a 45TB tape for $100. Not sure how much data you have, but that single tape would laste me quite a while.
Regarding the Synology NAS, I'd like to add that Synology supports 'QuickConnect', which allows you to access your NAS from the Internet without having to poke holes in your firewall. Also, Synology supports cloud backup of your NAS with local side encryption and only you have the key (don't lose it!). Very private and secure as far as I'm aware.
Thank you for everything you do Naomi. It's much appreciated!
I was JUST reshearching replacing google photos with proton yesterday. Thank you! This is freaky timing
woot!
@@NaomiBrockwellTV Why is Mega not mentioned?
20Gb of encrypted storage for free accounts, with 5gb/6h limit.
@@asbeltrion czcams.com/video/yND3ogYFVp0/video.html
Real security pros use CZcams with Steganography to host all their data. Don't listen to Brockwell, half the things she suggests make zero difference in reality.
@@asbeltrion because we can not prove they are safe , also owned by some suspicious companies.
A brand new Naomi upload is exactly what you need to start off Friday.
So I can spend a weekend reviewing all my services for privacy issues!
I always use Syncthing, a FOSS application to synchronize files across various devices. In my case I have a one-way synchronization, pushing all photos from my local photos folder to my Server/NAS. It is pretty easy to set up, at least not harder than something like Synology Photos. It is not just available for Synology and works pretty reliably in the background, at least on non-iPhones.
It could also be an option for people without a server who have a PC though (Windows, Mac Linux). Then it would always push the photos if both, the phone and the PC are running and connected to the same network . For most people, this should be the case if their PC is running.
I think this might even be the best opinion. It even works securely encrypted over the internet without opening ports.
Hows the battery drain? When I installed syncthing it just ran all the time and caused drain.
@@hiamben I just noticed a minor loss of battery life. Perhaps 1-2% more per day than without. However, my phone has a rather big 5000mAh battery (4 years old now). On my old phone (S7) it would probably have drained the battery as you described.
thanks for the suggestion!
@@hiamben This is also my setup with syncthing running 24/7 on my pixel 6a. Less than 1% battery drain.
Big fan of Syncthing. Sort of a fork/clone of BitTorrent/Resilio Sync. Every time I take a picture on my phone - bam - it's on my computer. It'll even wait if the computer is off. I also use it to sync a bunch of audio books from my PC back to the phone.
The only downside I've had is that Android will occasionally kill the app to save memory. Not often, though.
You did your homework as always! Thanks for posting this video.
I was _very_ pleasantly surprised when the host said that _none_ of the products mentioned were sponsors. Live to hear it. I was half expecting Proton to be sponsored now that their shelling out money to CZcamsrs for ad reads. Keep it up, you are all very principled.
Please tell me I am not the only one who turns off the cloud and backs up to my own local devices?
You are NOT alone! Like you, I simply do not use the "cloud" AKA "some other schmuck's crappy computer."
this is the way :)
@@NaomiBrockwellTV Oh, my! You show your face! Where is your helmet? 😆🤣
👍
All of my pictures are stored on a hard drive on my computer, this drive is mirrored to another drive on the same computer. The pictures are copied once a week to an external drive. Other than the pictures I publish on my websites, none leave my computer.
In addition, all of my pictures are taken with a camera an not a phone or tablet.
@@johnmilton7578 If you are not already, you should really look to keep a copy of external drive in another location, which is not in the same property as your computer and the first external drive. As if there was a major issue such as a fire/flood, you could lose them all
Thank you for covering selfhosting, please include more of this! My personal setup is syncing my phone to Immich (self-hosted Google Photos replacement), and then backing this up to a second NAS on-site and also to Proton Drive. I use Wireguard to VPN into my home connection, so I can backup my photos using Immich from anywhere.
Immich + Proton Drive is my go-to solution as well. Immich is awesome and by far the best self-hosted photo backup/gallery solution readily available.
love your works, thanks.
Thanks Naomi, really appreciate the insight.
Such an excellent video. Your attention to detail is amazing. Thanks for creating and sharing this content.
The answer to "who else gets access" is always "anyone that wants access" and every bot out there.
Uh no, the bot would have to be purposely designed to brute force "public hosted cloud storages" which is likely a tiny percentage of total bots in the wild. The people on this channel will have generally zero real experience with security topics.
For years I've been using resilio sync. Not open source, i know, but works very well. You choose some folders you want to synchronize, then synchronize them peer to peer between a set of computers or devices. Data is encrypted with AES 128 in transit. You can also choose to only share fully encrypted copies of the files with an external device if you dont trust it, in which case you have full end to end encryption. I use that together with an online web server, and voila, private cloud storage.
Thanks Naomi ... You're a LEGEND!
I just love the wealth of information you give us for free! Thank you very much for being so awesome and intellectually attractive!
As always great video.
Bought my NAS two years ago and have been using Synology photos ever since, supper happy about the experience! TY Naomi.
well done on where to store photos, I am very old school still, put things to an old external hard drive and print out the highlight photos as well for a photo album lol
Same
Great vid Naomi... love your work
Thanks amazing as usual
Backing up your NAS is also essential; I use Synology's C2 service for locally-encrypted of-site backups.
great video Naomi, always top!
Immich is a self-host Google alternative.
The development team are working hard to be a like-for-like replacement.
I second this.
Proton photos is not available on the iOS app (as of today, Feb 22).
thx that explains why i wasnt able to find the option on my phone :D
Naomi, a good video as usual, but as a proton user i dont recommend it for photo backup just yet. you can not create folders or should i say albums, therefore if you are like me and have hundreds if not thousands of photos, it just becomes a total mess with no structure and trying to find a particular photo to view is frustrating and time consuming. eventually proton will sort this out, but they are slow to update there apps. So i would go with Mega which is end to end encrypted for now. Great channel Naomi and i appreciate your effort in trying to educate us all.
Thanks
Could you do a video about operating systems?
Mainly Windows and how to better protect user’s privacy in it?
don't use windows ❤️ glasswire is something you can instal to block telemetry if you absolutely must use windows
@@NaomiBrockwellTV Also, there's is the O&O shutup for windows. it will make windows stop leaking info.
Apple's problem is icloud, the only way to avoid is to use only the very first iPhone. With Android only use 1.0 or something earlier than ginger bread. OR use a de-google Android phone
Glasswire has a lot of telemetry. Porrmaster is a better option@@NaomiBrockwellTV
A huge problem with proton drive is web and javascript. When using web browsers, client-side code has to come from the server, so the server could still become a bad guy and send you malicious client-side code and then see all your data
It's end to end encrypted only because the client-side code isn't malicious
It would be noticed by people if this happened at large scale, but the server could target some IPs at the request of law enforcement and send this malicious code only to those IPs, and it would never be noticed
Yes, Rob Braxman doesn't recommend proton
Not just web and javascript but any client which the service operator can update. The concept of zero trust is misleading marketing IMO. Zero trust is still good to have and increases security against some threats, but using any cloud service requires some trust.
Love your style and wit. Keep up the nice presentation. Faithful Follower.
Love your videos; you have inspired me to make some changes to the (home) networks I am in control of; thank you! I am going through your videos and taking notes; but, I don't see any on DDNS... I need to set up a VPN from my house (in the Philippines) to my mother's house (in the U.S.), and had planned on using a DDNS. Will you do a video on this, or a similar/better way? Thanks!
The video was really helpful.
The only thing is I am reluctant to use any cloud service even if it is encrypted. I always keep my data backed up on my desktop pc that is not connected to internet, not even any local network connection. I think having a device with no network connection is the safest way to store your personal data.
Thanks!
you can also self-host something like Immich!
thanks for the heads up!
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This is great video, as usual! 💚
But if I use Sync instead of Proton Drive, give Sync the same privacy?
Thanks a lot for your work! 🙏
... what a news! really unbelievable!
Nice video!
great video!
Thanks for the Synology review. I've been pulling my hair out trying to do the same thing on a pair of QNAP NAS. The new one would have been a Synology if I'd seen this first.
I use MEGA which came with 20GB free storage, it has end-to-end encryption and I can automatically sync / upload photos from my phone to MEGA. Up to 16TB of storage is available for individual accounts.
50gb of free storage for old users and yes backing up photos is easy
I use and like Syncthing for backing up my photos to my home PC.
Great one! Another great tool is "syncthing" You can synchronize all the folders you want, with how many endpoint you want (enabling multiple copies for security). And on top of that you can do all of this through Tor :P Would be great to present such an implementation!
Syncthing is great, I agree
Thanks for the video....I have been using pCloud for the last 2 years, any thoughts about it?
A more advance option to make your home NAS or Nextcloud accessible over the Internet is to add either cloud flare tunnel or tailscale to your setup. It is more work requiring some IT skills.
Thank you
I've not looked into the privacy/encryption but if you run a local Plex server it has a photo backup option in the app.
I've had a lot of problems with native nextcloud option for backup, and switched to davx5. But, nextcloud photo synch works well. I use smbsync2, with an automated workflow on the server side to catalog and split to multiple archives for backup redundancy. Lose your baby's photos one time and...
Naomi, what do you think of degoo storage? I've been using them for backup.
Personally I prefer to go old school and back up to another piece (or two) of hardware at home. Might take more time but I feel safer doing this than having my private photos zipping around the internet, encrypted or not. It's shocking how many people have no idea that all their private photos are like an open book to Google (and others).
Wow
You don't keep them on Google Photos?
I started just encrypted my backups myself and saving it to Google Drive. At least until I get a nas set up in my house.
You should have mentioned PhotoPrism and Immich as self hosted option
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An amazing video as always , for me I use proton drive sometimes and mainly Mega as its easy to setup
i'm trying to break free from monthly cloud backup subscription fees thanks for this. I wonder if iOS specific features like Live photos are actually preserved with proton backup or with using synology nas. I actually like those few seconds of video and audio--like a harry potter moving portrait to go along with the still photo--and it all should be backed up not just the stills. Really miss having microSD cards built in to phones. Would love to have a 1.5TB expansion card for my iphone.
Can you please elaborate more on the privacy part on the photos because as far as I can tell a simple web link can unlock the files for viewing in the web browser which does not sound private at all to me.
I have a Synology NAS. The photo backup to NAS you covered was interesting, but doesn't allow for photo backup when out of the house. I'd hate to be on a killer vacation, lose my phone and have no backup of the photos.
Of course it can, you just haven't configured it correctly to do so.
Setup a quick connect id in the Synology nas and use that in the photos app and it will be able to access the outside of your network..
will you be doing the filecoin tutorial? I look forward to that.
Top Notch info .. Please can you do a dive into ITERNET COMPUTER by Difinity
quick question, have you ever researched about the fingerprint dogles to help login to windows? are they safe?
Greetings Naomi 😃, as always hope that you and the family are all well 🙏🏾 The main question that we have to ask is this, If your operating system ‘Apple 🍎 in this instant’ 😉 has client side scanning before encrypting, then again our privacy is none existent. How do we win? Are we not fighting a losing battle? Have a blessed weekend 🙏🏾
I use Syncthing on my GrapheneOS and on my Debian server. Automatic photo backup.
Hello Naomi. Greetings from Uruguay. What do you think about Jottacloud or Internext?
I use SyncThing to synchronise my DCIM and Pictures folders to my laptop whenever both of the devices are on my home router
I’m a new follower ❤ ~ Have you talked about Amazon photos yet? I just started using it and now I’m wondering if that’s a good idea……
Syncthing is free and open source and syncs things between devices. I just sync my photos folder to my computer which itself gets backed up to an external hard drive.
I store my own on my own cloud. No cost except to purchase and run the hard drives. I wish I had a permanent form of saving my stuff that will never go away like a forever disk. I don’t really need a HD running all the time for something I don’t always access.
So I tried Proton Drive for photo backup. It seems that after a photo is backed up and I delete it from the Drive app, it remains on my local device storage. Same in reverse: if I delete a photo locally, it remains in Proton Drive. Am I supposed to manage my media in two separate apps now to keep them synchronized? I'm not really sure how this is usable.
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excellent content as always thank you for the upload
I use ResilioSync to sync my phone's photos to my computers, one of which gets only an encrypted copy, which is the only one that gets backed up to the cloud.
thanks for the heads up!
@@NaomiBrockwellTV You just have to create an encrypted share from a PC because there's no option to do it on the mobile app. Then you do a read/write link for the phone to use, and an encrypted link for the other PC (or sandboxed/virtualised ResilioSync copy) to use for cloud backup. Just make sure you keep a secured copy of the read/write key so you can restore from the encrypted copy if need be.
That's great. I'm told Apple no longer allows Iphone backup on Windows computers, leaving only Icloud. Local alternatives to that would be lovely. 😊
My router has an inbuilt NAS which is accessible via FTP, how can I use this for backup? Is there something like synology photos for non-synology hardware?
I only have stuff backed up offline on an external drive.
I'm on Graphene, and my proton drive is not syncing. It says it does but it is stuck on the same remaning nulber of files. Anyone faced this issue ?
TY for this info. How is the other person to accept the request. On my side it says the other has not accepted while on the other side there is no instruction how to accept. pls help
What is your opinion on pCloud or Mega?
Is it safe to upload to icloud with advanced data protection on?
Is it possible that Proton has removed the Photo Backup feature for the iPhone? I don't have the "Photos" button in the app and all help on the Proton website is for Android
They didn't remove it, it simply hasn't been released yet. The photo backup feature on Android is still relatively new and will be coming to the iOS version in the near future.
@@DanWalshTV Great to know, thank you for taking the time to answer this!
I use Proton mail and calendar but Proton Drive requires Mac OS 13. I'm only able to install 12 on my machine. Bummer.
I'd love to try to self host stuff locally, but it would make me anxious for two reasons:
1. Can I secure access to the server easily?
2. Higher chance of drive failure than, let's say, Proton Drive.
Any tips? :)
1) This topic can go quite deep but the simplest answer is to keep whatever device you're using to self-host on behind a firewall and don't expose it outside your LAN. If you need to access it when you're not home, you can setup a VPN to remote in securely. Setting up a Wireguard VPN isn't too complex if you simply follow a guide but you can also use something like Tailscale. Alternatively, if you do want to selectively expose certain services, you could utilize something like Cloudflare Tunnels via their Zero Trust service to act as a secure reverse proxy (you can even configure Cloudflare's authentication in front of these exposed applications, kind of blurring the line).
2) Redundant storage (whether it be hardware-based like a RAID controller or software-based like Unraid or ZFS) significantly helps with reducing the chance of data loss due to drive failures, but you should always keep an off-site backup for critical files. This could be another NAS or similar device left at a family members home or simply a cloud service, like Proton Drive.
Hi naomi. Whats your opinion about mega cloud storage?
photoprism is what i use, locally hosted on my own NAS.
if the cloud is to be used, put it in an encrypted container with a good password first and foremost. ideally, don't put photos in the cloud. if you need the cloud for less personal files, encrypt as stated before and proton or tersorit are good options. subsets of your photos could be uploaded depending on use case and your situation. some people are fine uploading if they encrypt first and don't care about which procider they user but that's your personal risk tolerance level and all that jazz.
Proton Drive better be able to do a full phone backup one day :)
Nextcloud + Photoprism FTW. How is the privacy of the Samsung Cloud?
Random question: people in the Privacy Sphere always quote that Snowden mentioned that he uses Signal. But when I tried to find the primary source for that, I couldn't find it.
Could maybe someone point me to the primary source for that? I know it has nothing to do with the video, but I figured there would be someone in these comments who knows it, and it is an argument I might want to make with friends and family at some point.
twitter.com/Snowden/status/1350132648476344331
twitter.com/Snowden/status/661313394906161152
@@NaomiBrockwellTV Great, thank you a lot!
QUESTION PLS, I have noticed that every so often Facebook, OneDrive offers to show you an old DELETE file from a year ago or 5 years ago. How do we stop them from storing our deleted files? Thanks
yeah sure: nextcloud, raspberry pies, nas systems etc. but look at the design of the apps, look at the tweaking needed to set them up. there just is no convenience. i personally would go with e2ee icloud photos and have apple read the meta data. actually, doing local backups of the phone is the best way to go, but thats just an opinion.
wish there was an alternative for backing up contacts, calendars, etc...
Thanks for sharing Naomi.
I already know google can see anything stored.
So why they need to violate longer than necessary is puzzling. Or not really I should say.
And this why you should store as much as private data locally on a system with RAID or Arrays with dual parity’s.
You’re not wrong on most of the privacy stuff. But e2e encryption of photos is overkill for most consumers, and outside of their ability to safely store and backup the keys.
For those interested in privacy and with the technical understanding e2e is a valid thing to look for, just doesn’t apply to most people. Granny isn’t going to securely store her key for example, she’s going to save it into notepad or Apple Notes.
A follow up video on options to securely store the key would be useful
The most secure and private backup solution is one you privately run and own yourself that does NOT communicate with the outside world.
I use syncthing to sync my Graphene phone with my Linux Laptop and Desktop
hi nbtv do you recommend CalyxOS?
HOw should one accept the request to be the backup account? on my side it says that the other has not accepted but it is not clear how to accept. what is the accept action to be taken? pls help
What do you think about pcloud?
Samsung Back up for Android end to end encryption
What do u think of pcloud?
I use Proton/iCloud for most of my files but sadly Google Photos is still my one guilty pleasure but I’d love a viable alternative for me. With 40,000 photos, I need an effective way of searching for them or it’s useless. As soon as that gets better elsewhere, I’m shifting. Not even iCloud Photos compares sadly.
For self-hosting, Immich is an amazing Google Photos alternative. But for cloud offerings, yeah there's not much that's on par feature wise that I've found yet.