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- čas přidán 20. 09. 2023
- Flying FireFly from Kuala Lumpur's Subang Airport to Singapore's Second International Airport, Seletar! Bit of a different video, so let's see how this goes.
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You should have seen what Seletar was like when COVID kicked off in early 2020. People with money hedged on the fact that Singapore was one of the better places to be during the pandemic, so a lot of millionaires and billionaires were landing into Seletar and stacking their jets on the apron. That’s why they made the airport so nice because it was primarily meant to be a corporate terminal for VIP and VVIP. Firefly probably only makes a tiny fraction of the airport’s revenue. And oh, don’t forget ST Aerospace who does a lot of MRO work for both private and commercial customers……
and the funniest part is that 100M terminal that will never be recouped from, a rare case in sg.
@hc8714 well, that's the cost of acquiring more money and investment into the country.
This is also where Air Force 1, and many other planes exclusively carrying heads of state / government land and take off from.
@@htolas Nope, they do not take-off/land from Seletar :)
@@NEAAFFAIRS lol you clearly do not know how bad the situation is at seletar.
Random fact but, as it was a RAF base, a lot of the residential streets (which previously housed RAF officers) surrounding Seletar Airport are named after streets in London (e.g. Piccadilly, Oxford St, Regent St, Edgeware Rd).
Also got Baker Street around the Aerospace Park area. But don't expect to find our beloved detective there.
I had been working as a pilot in Seletar from 1985 to 2008 .. as far as I know, Seletar during British times was a base for seaplanes and flying boats .. not so much of activities of land aeroplanes during the war .. because the British knew very well about its geographical limitation, and the requirements during the war
There's a proposed plan to build a new MRT line that'll include a station at Seletar Airport. If that plan goes through, it would be a huge boost to the connectivity of that place.
A few more small low cost operators will start to use Seletar if the MRT connects with the airport
Nope. This was never considered in any master plan whatsoever. And it doesn't make economic sense
If you noticed all the sheltered walkways at the Seletar Aerospace area which includes the airport, they are all "wings". You can see they designed aircarft ailerons on them. Catch it briefly between 5:21 to 5:25.
That's a cool detail!
Interesting detail, thanks!
Subang looks like a budget hotel while Seletar looks like a 5-star hotel lol.
hahaha too true
Technically Kuala Lumpur has 3 airports cause KLIA 2 is an airport of its own being a just low cost airline airport only while Subang is like a propeller and private jet airport. The main airport is the KLIA main terminal.
No just 2 airports. KLIA2 is NOT an airport of its own, its just 2nd terminal of KLIA. Just like Changi has Terminal 1, 2,3 and 4. That's why the airport codes KUL are the same. Subang is a totally different airport but not KLIA 1 and 2. You were just being lied to by Tony Fernandez.@@josephmanzuni8593
Ya
Sg is high class
To be fair it looks like Subang has more shops though
Seletar is also home to several dozen private jets, mostly owned by charter and medevac companies. It is a popular base as there’s a good number of wealthy people chartering jets in and out from there.
'There is a highspped rail way, but it may take many years away, oif any at all'
The most agreeable sentence i read
Just a small note, seletar airport is pronounced as sir-lee-tar. Overall great video, as a Singaporean gotta say its quite underrated
its sir leh tar
Sir-lay-tar is the correct pronounciation
Sir-leh-tar
He said Kallang as kehleng 💀😭
It’s like suh-luh-tar. Malay pronunciation. Not sir-lay-tar or sir-lee-tar.
Would like to share with the people watching this video:
Seletar to Subang, and the return is honestly the best route if you can afford it. That is because its within the heart of Singapore (more northern part beside Woodlands and Kovan - Sengkang areas) to heart of Greater Klang Valley (which is right in the middle between all of the major townships in Selangor - Shah Alam, Petaling Jaya) with shorter time to Kuala Lumpur City Centre since you are halfway there.
Also, Firefly is the only one with their Fokker Airplanes that provides water and snack (because they are expensive too). Malindo or Batik air, which they operate locally only in Malaysia from Subang Airport as their base, do not provide snacks and water, but are relatively the same price or more expensive than Firefly. Its also because Firefly its under Malaysian Airlines but budget option just like Scoot for Singapore Airlines and Jetstar for Qantas.
Couple of cons though:
1. Do not use Firefly to connect flights with Malaysia Airlines as its 1 hr away from Subang Airport to KLIA 1 (and yes, there is KLIA 1 and 2 unlike Changi Airport's integrated Terminals, you can check yourself) and it would cost you upwards of RM 65 excluding the tolls and traffic.
2. Do not use Firefly to connect with other flights outgoing from Singapore Changi either. At this moment, there are no direct public transport option from Seletar airport to Changi airport. There might be only one bus (102) that can get you to Hougang MRT but you will need to switch to alternative public transport. And Grab (Uber equivalent) would charge you about SGD 25 and above.
3. Fights are generally expensive due to the airport taxes imposed on both Subang and Seletar individually.
4. Many more timings and options are available at Singapore Changi Airport, and Malaysia's KLIA 1 or KLIA 2.
5. Fokker aircrafts (cruising around 20,000 ft) can't fly as high as commercial jets (30,000 ft). Meaning if there were thunder clouds (and there will be aplenty all the time given the tropical climate Singapore and Malaysia sits in, you might get hit by turbulence more often or longer.
So yea, you can decide for yourself and see. 🤣
correction, ATR72 is not Fokker
"Fights are generally expensive due to the airport taxes imposed on both Subang and Seletar individually." pretty sure fights are relatively cheap...the aftermath tho might be quite expensive depending on how much damage you cause.
@@flamingchuucygnet8983Hahaha! You cheeky fellow! The writer still doesn't realise what caused your cheeky response and probably thinks it's irrelevant. 😂😂😂
Thanks for sharing, really helpful!
Only idiots will fly to Subang and Seletar if they have onward connecting flights from KLIA and Changi. It should be origin and desination traffic only
The main selling point for people to hop on a shuttle flight between Subang Airport to Seletar is all to do with distance within the greater Klang Valley. Subang Airport is literally just nestled between the cities of Shah Alam, Subang Jaya, and Petaling Jaya at less than half the distance to KLIA 2. This makes it even more attractive and the bus ride from Seletar to the main business district in Singapore is significantly shorter than a bus or train shuttle between Kuala Lumpur to KLIA or KLIA 2. Great inside into the flight between Subang to Seletar. Please keep these clips coming.
Singapore is small, but not ‘that’ small. There are actually 5 airports in Singapore + 1 airstrip, 3 of them with full length runways occupying about the same area as Changi - but are military airbases for quite a sizeable Air Force.
where are they? literally only thought sg had changi
@@d.ddablue. technically all of them are listed on aviation charts as airports. lol. We can play this game all day.
@@yuuunarukami7006 Before Changi, Paya Lebar was the international airport, with a full length 4km runway. It has been converted to military and civilian-aircraft conversion and alternate emergency for Changi. Tengah Airbase is a military airport with a full length 4km runway. These three occupy roughly the same land area. There’s Sembawang, a helicopter base with a shorter 1km+ runway and Seletar with a 1.8km runway. In the southern islands, there’s an emergency airstrip runway for the military.
Please, don't mention military air bases, its a sensitive issue, no one likes to mention air bases of other countries .. Seletar airport has little practicality, so please mention: Changi International Airport
@@bohsengchua7122 nothing so sensitive. U can see it on every map. Lol.
You can still see the old Seletar terminal through a fence! It is no longer open to public, but it is still located along West Camp Road, just opposite the runway from the new terminal. Simple colonial style buildings. Love them as I was involved in their refurbishment
5:59 Singapore Youth Flying Club - funded by the Air Force to provide an early Basic Pilot Licence. The young pilots will proceed to National Service (military) & a crack at a flying career with the Air Force.
How great is the photo of Subang. An MAS a BA and Aeroflot aircraft reflecting a world long gone. Your reviews are so enjoyable.
Thanks for the quick tour of Seletar Airport! :)
I do hope that they could operate more flights there in the future. With its close proximity to the residential areas, it sure is a more comfortable and efficient experience travelling in and out that airport as a Singaporean :)
This is cool! I’ve never been to Seletar, now very keen to try.
Although one correction, Firefly is not Malaysian Airlines’s attempt at a low cost airline. Its its attempt at a regional airline, with full service as expected from Malaysian Hospitality. Firefly operates the ATRs and some 737 which are all-economy, as opposed to Malaysia Airlines 737s which normally has 16 business seats.
I am interested in your correction, do you have any more information on this? Firefly describe themselves on their own website as - "the low-cost carrier owned by Malaysia Airlines"
@@FlightFormula Oh, you are correct. Huh, I must have mixed it up with some other regional airline. It is Batik Air that is the full-service regional airline instead. Apologies for the confusion!
Mas' 737s are now shifting towards 12 business class seat configuration. They're also very ugly in blue and the fake leather on the seats feels very cheap
Cool as a Singaporean, I didn't expect Seletar Airport to look so modern :) Learnt lots of interesting titbits from your video, thanks! :)
We local call Seletar more like (pronounced: Sir-Lit-Tar)
Thanks, yeah I definitely stuffed that one up!
It's more to Sir-Lee-Tar. The t is pronounced one only.
I call it sir-lay-tar
I call it Silly Tar😂
Another fantastic video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
797 subscribers?! crazy high quality content for a small youtuber
Wow, thank you!
love this airline for short hops from Singapore to KL. I can actually check in 32 mins before flight time (check in closes 30mins before)
Fantstic review, thanks for showing off the two alternate airports both sound like they have big histories! I took FireFly between Langkawi and Penang about 2 weeks back I was also shocked with the free bottle of water and snacks which was absolutely unexpected yet incredible for a flight which A. was only $30 and B. only 130km. Certainly could not fault them whatsoever!
Thanks, yeah definitely an unexpectedly good airline ay!
If anyone else is trying to transfer from Seletar to Changi airport for cheap, you should take the *102 bus* from Seletar, go eight stops until you arrive at a weird roundabout with two bus stops labeled 'Before' and 'After'. You'll be getting off at the 'After' bus stop. Walk shortly to the 'Before' stop, the one closest to the church. Then wait and board the *858 bus* to Changi Airport which serves the basement bus stops of Changi Terminal 3,1,2 in this order. It should take under an hour.
Just pay with your Mastercard/Visa credit card or Singaporean cash at the bus driver's seat.
102 Goes to Fernvale and makes a big round
And then goes to Hougang interchange
Love the vid, thanks for sharing! Also love the invisible selfie stick you're using - you've got the knack of carrying it while carrying the tote! Excellent disguise! And finally, not sure if anyone's told you, but SELETAR is pronounced 'ser-lee-tarr'.... FYI and for future reference. :) :)
your channel is so underrated man
Thank you!
Seletar Airport is also where private jets operate from. The aerospace research industry made its home in the nearby spaces.The Military airbase is still around the corner of the airport.
The current Seletar airport terminal was built from the ground up 5 years ago. The old terminal is a classic building which is still located on the west camp road.
Love the old terminal! I was involved in its recent refurbishment - it now belongs to SLA and looks spanking new
im singaporean, never thought we had a second airport. Thought it was a military air base considering theres one in seletar
I live quite near that place, and I like to go for walks there on weekends. The houses nearby are all dilapidated and old, but if you walk about a kilometre, you can find a restaurant that has been renovated and a children's playgrounds.
Great Video
Love from Bangladesh ❤
Many many thanks!
Pretty comfy seats on those Firefly turboprops too.
great video. subscribed.
Awesome, thank you!
I know about the airport but the only airport I go is changi because easier to go (take EWL then change to CGL) and there is more flights
The combat engineer bunks still face Seletar's Runway, could see planes taking off and landing all the time, was the few things that was nice around there.
The last 2 rows near the door used to be business class, divided by curtains from other rows. Now , there is no more buainess class seats.😅
I'm surprised people don't know that Singapore has several airports. I mean, the old Kallang Airport still exists and it's visible from the Sports Hub.
It'll be nice when Singapore Airlines resumes their daily Changi to Seletar service. One nice way to cut through Singapore traffic in style, plus get to use the rarely used domestic terminal at Changi!
For Subang Airport, it was partly a military airbase. Also, most planes that fly out of there is a regional turboprop, while most of the jets go to KLIA. I guess maybe it's easier to manage the flight from and to the airport if the aircraft of the same type.
Some Asian airlines do give snacks on short haul domestic flights. I received some snacks when I flew Philippine Airlines from Manila (MNL) to Caticlan (MPH) and that's just a 45min of flight time. I like to think it's their way of apologizing for the delays lol
Interesting! Yeah it's a bit different when you're not used to it but much appreciated.
Flyfire is similar to bangkok air. They can it a boutique airlines.
5:56 that place is about a 20 min bicycle ride from me and its one of my favourite places to chill.. esp at night
Once I got a booking by a pilot.
When I saw him in uniform, I was delighted.
But short lived because he was heading to Seletar Airport not Changi.
Because that would be going back alone.
During COVID period, I would cycle till Seletar Airport and just like wave "hi" to the airport workers etc...
They were like super bored - really nobody so they are really happy to see people interacting with them
As a Singaporean im surprised u got famous amous cuz its pretty dang expensive
What a nice 8 minute video dude
Cheers!
Good Information
Thanks!
Ive heard that this route is mainly for Malaysians who don't want to trek all the way to KLIA. Especially if they live around the Subang area... Apparently
Absolutely peculiar
Just some fun facts, the SYFC headquarters is there, which is a flight school and a after-school activity. I had the honor of going there for a crash course on how to fly. We were in a classroom for a lot of time and we could hear all the planes taking off and landing. The ATC there controls so many different planes which sounds stressful.
SYFC - Singapore Youth Flying Club is actually a department of the Air Force, primarily to inspire interest for potential Air Force pilots.
@@eatdriveplay Ohh right i Remember that they said we would need to go through some air force standard requirements to enter the school... thanks for the info!
@@aidanlimhuadenghshs not really… the Air Force entry later on (if they choose to, is not compulsory) and will have another set of criteria. To start learning to fly, one must be cleared medically through a very thorough full day checkup.
i see@@eatdriveplay
The UG that's organised like a club but associated with RSAF but still considered a club by schools lmao
Selatar is pronounced as Sir-lay-thar 👍😉
Its called Sue- bung . As in rung, lung. 😅 you could fly to koh samui From Subang before covid .
johor area should build taller tower as selatar previous crisis before...
Firefly also has jet planes besides the propellor ones. There are also two other airlines in Malaysia, MyAirlines and SKS Airlines. The established airlines from Malaysia are Malaysia Airlines and Air Asia.
But the jet planes are not allowed to operate from Subang Airport. And SKS Airlines isn't really a full airline, just to some leisure airlines.
btw the terminal you were in the new terminal.
the old one was closed in 2017
There is a railway line from KL to Singapore, however that is not direct. You would have to take the ETS service from KL Sentral to Gemas Jn which takes max 3.5 - 4 hours. Gemas is currently the furthest south the electrified network goes. From Gemas, you would have to switch onto a diesel locomotive hauled passenger train for 4 hours to JB Sentral. Then, you can board the Tebrau Shuttle(after clearing customs and immigration) that takes 5 mins to cross the Causeway into Woodlands Train Checkpoint Singapore. This option kinda sucks as your journey is split into three parts(no good if you have to wake up in the middle of the night to change trains) but the Malaysian Government is duplicating and electrifying the line south of Gemas to JB so we might be able to run potentially non-stop overnight or daylight trains to and from JB and KL in the near future.
& from Woodlands Train Checkpoint you have to catch a connecting public bus to Marsiling train station (from where its another ~50min ride to downtown Singapore; even further than from Changi Airport), that sometimes gets cancelled I heard if the Checkpoint or its adjacent roads get congested
@@lzh4950 There are many buses from Woodlands Interchange that stop at Checkpoint like 903, 912(B), 913, 950 etc. Plus there is 170 from Larkin to Queens st terminal in the city or 160 to Jurong East. Finding buses out to the city or MRT station isn't a huge issue but if you are hauling 15-20kgs bags along with you, it can make for an uncomfortable experience as public buses in Singapore do not feature special luggage storage facilities. The alternative is to take a taxi but that is $$$.
Seletar airport is primarily used for private jets.
used to go seletar airbase for spa and steak 😁
on airasia you get meal like a lowkey full meal flying from kl to sg and its only 1 hour, the 2 times i flew there i could not finish it coz it was so fast the food was nice tho
Literally any budget airline flying from Malaysia to Singapore provide food.
Seletar (Ser - Lay - Tar) it takes a while to get around it.
This is a private jet terminal
That is why the ambience is like a 5 star hotel
Yeah pretty interesting airport. This airline tends to land on the Northern bit of the airport whilst the the smaller private jets land on the southern bit of the run way. Other than i think there are many aviation related companies that does maintenance for these smaller jets i think. but yeah its airport for corporate use. Its a cool little airport, reminds me of City Airport in London. and BTW Its pronounced as "sir li ta"
my aunt used to live in Shah Alam, literally next door to Subang airport. but it’s so inconvenient to use Subang/Seletar airports. flights from Changi are cheaper, getting to Changi is easier, at one point flights from Seletar kept getting cancelled so everyone had to rebook on flights from Changi anyway. many years ago i think Firefly flew Changi-Subang, but once they moved to Seletar, there was no reason for me to fly Firefly simply because Seletar airport is so inaccessible lol
Seletar Airport doesn't have an ILS system as nearby Malaysia complained that that'd impose 54m height limits on its nearby Pasir Gudang industrial estate, so I imagine the airport is more vulnerable to disruption due to weather e.g. all flights were cancelled when haze blew from nearby Indonesia's forest fires in Sep 2019
i think this might not be changi airport
but on a side note i find it funny if theres a depressurisation onboard that aircraft all they have to do is descend just a little bit
A little bit? A 747 cruises at 35 000 feet.
Seletar is going to be redeveloped I heard?
Awesome vid. Just FYI, it's pronounced SER-LEE-TAR airport by the locals :)
how to read seletar. Sir-li-ta. Seletar airport is also know for private planes and stuff so hence it is fancy.
7:38 Unfortunately as of time of writing the basic fares on FY has decreased its check in baggage allowance to only 10kg checked in baggage. Used to really appreciate the 20kg but 10kg is a little less given most empty suitcases already weigh 3-4kg.
SELETAR is pronounced as SIR LEE TAR or SIR LEH TAR. 😉
It should be the 1st option not the second one...Malay is pronounced as it's written. The vowel sounds same as Spanish.
Locals pronounce it leh not lee. Lee sounds like english pronounciation.
Would have been cool if you shared about the ILS debacle the refurbishment of this aiport caused between the two countries.
Oh yeah, is this the thing about the ILS approach path jutting out into Malaysia?
@@FlightFormula all landings in Seletar take the same flight path down from Malaysia, but at some point there were some false beliefs purported by Malaysian politicians to the people about the ILS usage in Seletar imposing a building limit on potential development in Pasir Gudang which fueled discontent. As a result Malaysia imposed a no fly military zone smack in the middle of the flight path any aircraft would have to take to land in Seletar. The best part is the implementation of the ILS at the Singapore aiport was done at the request of state-owned Malaysia Airlines and approved by the Malaysian Ministry of Transport. In a temporary agreement by both countries, Seletar airport would not use any ILS technology at the airport and Malaysia would suspend its abruptly imposed no fly military zone, essentially throwing millions of dollars in investment into the airport down the drain and limiting its potential for more regional carriers.
@@arkhera4375That's Malaysian politics for you: They will take any opportunity to stir petty conflicts and fuel nationalism (Thus winning votes in elections), even to their own detriment. Same reason why the HSR got scrapped.
At least you don't have to travel so far out to KLIA from the city and then have deal with the long queues and long walks in KLIA.
Yeah exactly, Subang was really easy to fly out of!
famous amos is such a luxury I did not know they served that
firefly is very popular for kl residences because klia is so far away, there jet operations out of penang and kota kinabalu are more low cost but out of subang its more like klm city jet or ba out of london city. im really enjoying your vids btw especally MAS being my fav airline
I’m a Singaporean and I didn’t even know that Seletar Airport was still active 😅
Bruh NS im from Seletar Camp every night alws got some large private jet flying in
fyi we call suh-lee-tahr airport and chahng-yee airport
Welcome to sir-lay-tar airport.
thats a smooth butter??!!
I believe Seletar is pronounced as : Si(r)-La(y)-Tar. Just say it as per normal with the letters in bracket, then try omitting the 'r' and 'y' while maintaining the pronunciation.
when the short delay is almost as long as the flight itself 💀
the last time i took firefly, we used hand fans to keep ourselves cool
It is called "Sir Li tar".
Its pronounced as Sir Lee Ta airport
Kallang is not Singapore 1st International Airport.
First Singapore International Airport is Farrer Park International Airport which see the first commercial flight.
Second Singapore Internet Airport is Kallang International Airport
Third Singapore International Airport is Paya Lebar International Airport
Fourth Singapore International Airport is Changi International Airport
Seletar Airport is now use as Private Plane and Commercial Helicopter. Now they added in Budget Airlines to me list
Fyi Seletar airport is for private jets. Firefly used to fly from Changi Airport.
Btw we pronounce Seletar as Sir-Lee-Tar not Seletair.
Sir (don't roll the r kinda of drop it) - lur (rhymes with the sir just don't roll the r - tar like the word tar (again it's a h sound rather than a r sound more like tah-dah)
It was funny hearing "Solitaire Airport" over and over.
Sir'lee'tar is the local pronunciation
0:29 why was this blurred?
this is called seletar airport
Short flights, even on the shortest 737 routes like the Kuala Lumpur to Kuantan (50 ish minutes, sometimes shorter) serves nuts and orange juice. Whats the service like in the states for such flight?
I have no idea because I'm Australian but generally in Aus it depends on if you are flying a budget airline or full service.
@FlightFormula Apologies for the assumption. Ahh I see. My original comments refers to Malaysia Airlines btw. So it's the same here. Won't get complimentary beverages on AirAsia 😂
Of course Selatar is like a luxury hotel lobby. Billionaires land there with their private and business planes
Flying from Subang to Seletar is not mean to be a cheaper alternative but a convinient one
As a Singaporean, Welcome !
and even i didn't know about Seletar until it reopened or smt i forgot
they renovated it thats why it looks so new
thanks!
Uhh im guessing its seletar
Paya Lebar is or was used as a civilian & military airport
Was a civilian airport and will soon be closed to make way for residential projects
@@johannapfelburg6286 thanks for that. I went thru Paya Lebar in 1978 , then Changi Airport in 1983
its called seletar (sir-lee-tar) airport not (seh-leh-tar).
It's pronounced Sa (like the Sun) -lee (first syllable in leaf) -tar (like road tar). Subang is also Sue-bung (like how you would say lung).
I kept hearing solitaire airport :x
I disagree with your pronounciation of Seletar. Should be Sir (ser or se with little emphasis on R), lay (le as in ukelele), and tar.
However as you said, "le" can also be pronounced as lee.
Just wanted to point out that "Seletar" is pronounced less like "Sehlertaire" and more like "Sirleetar". Like the words "sir", "Lee" and "tar".
(suh) (lee-tahr), or even (suh) (litre)
Gt smoking area anot??
Imagine this guy reaction when he realised there used to be a a other international airport before changi (Paya Lebar)
🥴
@@FlightFormulaalso it’s pronounced Se Leh Tar
I had been working as a pilot in Seletar from 1985 to 2005 .. Frankly, Seletar is nothing worth mentioning .. it has some limitations that unable to improve, or increase its ability to expand or profitability .. in the eyes of regional passengers, unable to connect flights is its major shortcoming .. so, nothing to mention about Seletar