Asmongold Reacts to Preach Roasting WoW's Ending Cinematic
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- Greatest WoW cinematic & 20 years of Blizzard's story development... Asmongold reacts to Preach's first time watching Jailer's Death Cinematic - The WoW Shadowlands Finale.
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I'm sitting here watching a CZcams video about a guy watching a CZcams video about a guy watching a CZcams video about a video game. What a time to be alive
what an original comment. groundbreaking observation.
*Insert Inception Hans Zimmer soundtrack*
@@Yambag thank you, thought of it myself
I'm sitting here responding to a comment on a CZcams video about a guy watching a CZcams video about a guy watching a CZcams video about a video game. What a time to be alive
@@alanwelch9216 I'm lying here responding to a comment about sitting here and responding to a comment on a CZcams video about a guy watching a CZcams video about a guy watching a CZcams video about a videogame. What a time to be alive
The Jailer was trying to stop the Super Jailer, which is just Deathwing from an alternate timeline.
Plot twist when this ends up being exactly the next expac story
And that deathwing is Just the mount of an alternate Arthas Lichking, but who is secretly a good Guy to Stop the blazzing legion which the real demon Legion.
It was mankrik's wife plan since the beginning
@@Bloodworia hahaha love this
The Deathlichwing, Sylvanas Stormrage, the Fallen Titan, master of the Everburning Legion of Supervillains.
It pisses me off that Asmon, while having only a very, very surface level knowledge of lore, can bust out a better story to Shadowlands on stream without thinking about it, THAN A TEAM OF WRITERS PAID TO DO THAT OVER 2 YEARS.
Like, fuck, they really need to fire the entire story department at Blizzard.
The story dept literally doesnt even have a toe on the surface.
Not just Asmon sadly, Preach Nobbel Bellular Acco.. Pyro when he cared.. a lot of people are skilled at taking plot thread A and plot thread B and building good potential stories. Sometimes they reach a bit far and it would be hard to pivot in weeks to rewrite the story but the complaints of not understanding what the hell was the point of any of this have been around since BFA and instead of steering in a direction that was satisfying the writers mock everyone with "your mere mortal minds could not understand" tropes.
It's almost as if there was deliberateness to the choices the writers are making, it's that they are constantly trying to prove theory videos wrong. For example the concept art of the Jailer that got leaked: It looks honestly like a combination of the Jailer, the Arbiter, and the Primus and that at some point it got redone into new character designs. Now either that comparison is just by coincidence, or that's exactly what happened. And if it was on purpose the question is was that just early concept art and then they changed it naturally, or was the characters we received the consequence of the leak? The end results of a half baked uninteresting story and shallow dialogue does coincide with it being a snap reaction from the leak.
Maybe they just need one good writer and not a team that's afraid of stepping on each others toes so much they just produce underwhelming stuff.
Because blizzards ego got the best of them just like Disney and Star Wars. The fans come up with such good lore and stories through the years but nah, “We know better here are subpar stories now praise us!”
The alternative story he presented about the Jailer actually remaking reality would've been the coolest shit since WOTLK. It would've unironically made sense and the fact that all we get out of Blizzard is fanservice, generic recycled story troupes and poor writing is fucking sad.
how to make a wow expansion:
"oh no, the biggest threat possible is coming to destroy everything!"
"here take this magical item and power it up by grinding out bad guys for a while."
"finally, your item is strong enough. go kill the biggest threat we ever faced!"
"fools, how could you not know there was a bigger threat i was trying to stop! and now it is coming..."
repeat over and over.
optional, replace the last line with:
"now that we killed the biggest threat, time to go kill the other faction. oh no, our war awakened a new bigger threat!"
that's pretty much exactly what it is
I just wanna be a simple.adventurer doing quests on azeroth
i'm laughing my ass off, that's so accurate it hurts
@@arissp4950 Might want to try a casual farm game.
Got worse with warlords of draenor pulling sh*t out of the woods
You can forgive a bad company if the gameplay and story are good.
You can forgive a bad story if the gameplay and company are good.
You can forgive bad gameplay if the story and company are good.
But no game can survive all three being bad.
we hope that, but surely gamers will continue pay for this game, at least the neccesary what wow needs
I experienced every part of that in some games.
Wow is special that hits the 3 mark.
You can forgive a bad game, with bad story from a bad company because the copium is good.
Holy hell this is deep and so true.
Game will survive ,nobody cares about whats behind ..go to ff14 if u want fairy tales
Can you guys imagine a room full of people at a meeting watching this cinematic and critiquing it and being like yep, thats it! That's the one! It's fucking mind boggling. How can you be so out of touch with reality to think this was good enough
Its cute that you think they put that much effort into their cash cow WoW. People pay it anyway
Thats why he wants to change reality....into a reality where this Story is good.
@@StriKe_jk I guess I don't so much think it but hope it lol. Surely there's gotta be SOME sort of control group haha
@@Genju89 lmao it's literally just trope after trope
Oh it was good enough for Blizzard in 2022. They did their best they could. I'm sure Ion is proud of his team. Bravo
Wow's "greatest" villain was a default unreal engine model all along. Why blizzard thought that making the jailer's true form a mannequin was a good idea? This is beyond me.
I kinda like it but the story as a whole is so f-ed
god lol the zoval wasnt like that when he lost all of power kinda u see the body - energy made that jailer without that not difrence the body matter -- wat u want flesh meat or that bot mode --- the curse made mortal flesh body --- so zoval have plan to save the pattern by remaking it and ready to defend it from wat will come but power have corouption
Best part is how his armor and weapon don't even look any better. Zoval just looks like what a DBZ-obsessed teen would draw during class as his "OC do not steal" while looking at a screenshot of Arthas as inspiration on his phone.
@@filipvadas7602 That's exactly what Sargeras was doing though, burning every world with Void influence.
I'm convinced now, more than ever, that there is something or someone in Blizzard that only exists to bottleneck the narrative- and the art team.
Whether or not it's the directors of those teams, or someone else entirely, I don't know... but that thing needs to go immediately. Seriously. That's what the Jailer could've looked like? And you're telling me, they'd pick the existing model over that one? You are never going to convince me of that. Never.
It’s the writing team dude, Danuser, Golden, Roux and co.
There’s that for the story, but let’s not forget the awful game designers and Ion watching it all go to shit with a smile.
There was a pandemic. Everything got slowed down. Now can you imagine if Preach or Asmongold tried to actually create their own story? It would be difficult since they are both limited to making funny faces to attract the 13 year olds and whining and crying about people who actually do create things.
@@chrisaustin9949 And yet FF14 Endwalker was developed and finished during the pandemic too, and look how much the people loved the story. Mediocrity has no excuse, Blizzard writers or whoever designed Shadowlands are mediocre at their job and shouldn't be working on it
@@chrisaustin9949 Countless games had more progress than Blizzard did. I mean they even fixed Cyberpunk during the Pandemic. What is your point exactly?
Also, Preach and Asmongold did not study narrative design. They are not paid a a five or six digit salary to produce a proper story for a video game, with years of experience in doing so. There are THOUSANDS of better story prompts on Reddit. They aren't finished, sure, but they are better than what we have.
What is so mindboggling is not that a kid in a garage didn't manage to fix his Ferrari. It's mindboggling that the Ferrari company, the actual mechanics who built the thing, can't manage to find the issue in the engine and fix it. They changed the tires for shitty tires, re-coloured the Ferrari, they banged their tools against it, in order to "buff out" damages that were not even there in the first place, but they didn't replace the engine, or even try to fix it.
And all the while, you pay them monthly to rent the garage your broken Ferrari sits in, in the hopes that they finally figure out a way to fix the engine.
@@chrisaustin9949 poor cocona got such a good back to be blamed for every incompetent person on this planet.
Story is trash, corona or not. They’re writers, nothing they can’t do at home and with means of communication for their meetings.
They also adjusted, so really there is hardly no excuse here. This is BFA 2.0 but worse.
Azeroth: Owie ouch, help me, there is this -sword- stuck like right by my heart
Magni: Don't ya worry lass we got it!
Azeroth: By the way there is this large turbine that is even more dangerous stuck in the equivalent of my anus that can suck off my energy to remake the universe
Magni wasn't listening that well it seems.
Nice copy past you did here, I will stir a little bit and save for future uses, thank you my fellow Asmonbald enjoyer.
I'm 99 percent sure that the forge of souls thing was just thrown into the mix in one meeting and all the "experts" there were content with it
@@glarcier4398 it's just another case of blizzard copying everything from ffxiv these days - crystal tower? yoink! except the crystal tower has been part of the story for the past 8 years, and the mystery surrounding it revealed slowly over time. unlike this... engine-thing.
How does a planet have enough energy to remake the universe?
If the Jailer's ultimate plan was for 'the greater good', why didn't he just explain it to The Eternal Ones so they could help instead of villainizing him? Oh, maybe they didn't agree with this 'altering reality' plan, that's why.. well, then why would he not tell us the players as we go into the Shadowlands to stop him? Why wait until he's beaten to just utter some cliffhanging cliché dying words? smh
Either his plan was for the greater good and for some reason he didn't explain that to them, or they did fully understand his plan and not only lock him away but also none of them told us about this? Denathrius didn't stop to say "hey wait, you guys seem different, hear out our plan"? Just absolute nonsense
If the jailor knew there is a bigger threat out there... Why didn't the other guys know about it? None of this is making any sense whatsoever xD
No they couldn't help you know why ? Because of the purpose, yes that word you over heard the whole expansion, the BEST word to put when you don't know what is going to happen next.
Everything is so blurry this expansion not only the Jailer's plan EVERYTHING, just forget about what could make sense if...blabla.
And guess what? We dont even know what he did that got him jailed. In Legion, we got so many stories, explanations even with satisfying ending to years of stories with sargeras while at the same time open a new mystery with the sword.
And suddenly they just go fck off and hire group of 5 year olds as writers.
Same thing goes for Illidan tbh. Blizz is bad at character motivation. Either a villain is evil for the sake of being evil, (like Garrosh) or they have some hidden reasons for doing what they're doing that they can, for no good reason, never tell us about so we end up fighting against them instead of helping.
Preach: my new video.
Asmon: OUR new video
Asmongold, master of reacting a 14 min video and making it a 35 min video.
He should just react to his own video and make it an 88 min video.
Once he reacted to a reaction to his reaction to a video lol
@@abdelg171 I remember Asmongold's tierlist for his tier list videos, golden time.
This a really fucking transform content, I love react videos and I even don't know why, I have a gf (fiancée), family, friends and all this shit, but I still love watching reacting videos, but the only person that can make a react video entertain is Zack, holy shit how many react videos I see the person only seating without doing shit, or people that pause just to talk what is happening at the moments holy fuck, Zack pauses and add so much content to his videos, that we can't even call this shit react videos anymore.
I mean, Josh Strife Hayes reacted to a 20 min Asmon video for 3 and a half hours, so anything's possible
Honestly, Blizzard sure know how to make a ending cinematic that makes all faith that still was left in me flow out fast. gods.
The next expansion won't even last them half a year, considering how fast they are pumping them out, and worst, ppl will still buy it.
New expansion gonna be insane dude, copium.
As long as i dont have to play WOW ever again, i can care less. Never again will i give these idiots my money.
I really hope that MS will kick out the lot of them.
@@Whateverdude970 Same,this game has been past it expiration date since BfA. or even earlier.
I stick to FF 14 now, it showed me a better path as cliche as that might sound.
@@weertangel7231 absolutely true!
Coming from someone who prolly buys the latest apple product.. what’s the difference honestly the way I view you guys have an option to sub in order to play and then blame blizzard for everything lol like your the idiot subbing if you don’t like… they don’t force you to play a game it’s a choice stop feeling entitled
Hearing his idea for how Shadowlands should have ended makes me believe Blizzard should hire this guy right the fuck now. I would 100% come back to the retail game if this was the story.
We could've known his motivations the whole time, and we could've known that he was trying to do the right thing, and we would've known his method was simply wrong and must be stopped, but no... they just.. don't say anything, and leave us empty all the way through. There's no room for us to love a story that we don't know.
They wanted to build The Jailer like Thanos, but they forgot to give an explicit motivation and goal to him, and when they did (in this last cinematic), they still didn't.
I mean, even Thanos explained himself to Dr Strange on Titan at the first occasion. The litteral BBEG tried to convince one of the most powerful being on Earth on his point of view.
But Zovaal ? Never.
Does anyone else think the first cinematic looks like a raid shadow legends champion reveal?
"It's so vague. You can twist it to make it fit." Exactly what the lore and story has become- easily to mold to whatever content rollout they need. Unfortunately, whatever the quality of expansions and games of the past, most of Warcraft for many years was about very iconic, recognizable, bombastic characters and events. You knew Thrall's want to help his people. Grom's lust for battle. Tyrande's faith. Varian's protectiveness. Now everyone has secret, half-formed schemes and secret thoughts - or are forgotten outright.
It's because of this shit that I stopped playing WoW, I love video game lore because we can dive in this shit and be more connected in the game, for gods sake I even care about League of Legends lore, but expansion after we see blizzard shit at WoW lore more and more, the game play is already boring af, they even trash the only thing that I find attraction in the game? Sorry but I'm out of this mess.
Edit: The League of Legends lore is so good they even made Arcane, how can Blizzard don't do a better job than a MOBA game?
And this is why I jumped to FFXIV. The MSQ maybe a chore at times but at least the story is cohesive and coherent.
agree, and the more you advance, the better it gets
Still laughing at the weapon Jailor is carrying. Awful.
At this point, some 5 year old can just put a villain dude, do villain things, kill anything, wreck anything without any reason and when the villain is about to die just make him say "you dont understand! We need to prepare for what is to come!"
And that 5 year old writers would be so proud of his godly mysterious writings.
So sylvanas - controlled by the jailor, fights Bolvar that wears the helmet that controls anybody.... which is made by the jailor... which leads to the conclusion that what? the pawn of the jailor fought the pawn of the jailor to open the portal the jailor needs to be opened? That in itself already doesnt make any sense...
And if anybody wants to tell me bolvar was himself in the fight against sylvanas... Why does his color change from red to blue. Why is it called helm of domination... You couldn't even call shadowlands lazy writing. None of this makes sense...
Not even talkin about the "bigger thread". The first thing we saw about this expansion already contradicts itself xD Like wtf?
Not one to jump to WoW's defense, but I was under the impression that Bolvar was resistant to domination magic due to dragonfire and strength of will as a paladin, as well as his torture at the hands of Arthas.
... Wait, Arthas was also a pawn of the jailer... Goddamnit.
@@mrred773 Bolvar was resistant to the Helm's temptations because of those two items, yes. Power of life (red dragonfire) and devout spirit together meant Arthas couldn't beat him into submission.
Btother you literally get told Bolvar had to use all his will to resist the control of the helm from an entity he didnt know who it was but that it wasnt Ner'zhuk
Imagine being a multi billion dollars worth of company and some streamer can write better story while fixing issues in your game simultaneously than your writers. I also have game dev friends who thoughts players are ignorant and don't know a shit, i mean proper arrogant ones but they will be ashen comparison to blizzard ones.
A lot of players don't know shit, but just because a lot of people don't know what they are talking about, doesn't mean no one knows what their talking about. Some players are actually able to give feedback that pinpoints the core issue.
They did say what the forge of souls was for, it was a soul grinder that would grind up souls to power the scourge machine. It was their fuel refinery. It wasnt a power siphon.
Not to mention Sargeras was destroying world souls to stop the void and in trying to achieve that goal, he was stopping the jailers.
"And then Bolvar kind of forgot about the Jailer and the forge of souls..."
I'm angry and sad, no I'm not angry at Blizzard, I'm not angry at something who is sick, corrupted,dying. I'm angry at fans who are keeping this thing alive for their own sake. They are torturing sick instead of letting it go. Fans are imho like children of people who are in vegetable state, brain dead and kept for their sake to prevent feeling of losing one. Just let it die, maybe, maybe it can resurrect from its ashes just like the phoenix mount we all love. I left "hospital" couple of expansions ago but still kept watching from afar, from windows. And what they did to Arthas, finally did tear the connection with me and "hospital". Hospital and sick people in it no longer burden to me. I truly feel free now. "Thanks" Sylvanas.
ff14, the 1.0 version, is proof that a game can be reborn but you have to let it die first.
yoshi p literally destroyed the game in a fiery apocalypse then completely remade it
I still enjoy playing. If you don't then don't. And if you haven't played in years don't tell others not to play a game just because you dislike it.
They absolutely destroyed these amazing characters. Especially sylvanas
weirdo take but will get likes because its shitting on the game
shit on the game for the right reasons its not the fans its the people making it
WoW players have been doing this for years. WoW hasn't ever had a good story actually told in the game. The closest thing you ever got was Garrosh, but even that was mostly told in other places. The reality is that they've been vaguely gesturing at "big threats" and retconning shit since the very beginning, and the WoW players have done all the hard work trying to puzzle together theories in which things start making some sense. People were calling it out back in the day too. Kael'thas and Illidan randomly going insane without rhyme or reason, randomly changing their entire personalities and story arcs back in TBC comes to mind, especially since that got retconned more than once. For Illidan, they even retconned their first retcon. Meanwhile, channels like Nobbel, Pyro, Bellular used to keep it all alive by writing their own fanfic to get some coherency. Taliesin and Evitel are doing it instead now.
Actually the forges were always working/animating when you went through the instance Forge of Souls. This animation of them...isn't new. They just repurposed it/retconned the lore/yadda yadda...
typical danuser
I don't care for the story when I play an MMO.
BUT with WoW
It HAD a story that I love so much.
And it was during Warcraft 3
And what I can't forgive is them tainting it with BS
Riddle me this, if the Azerite Beam came up through ICC and into Torghast, why is it coming up behind the Jailer in the Sepulcher?
dont think too hard about it
The standards for looking cool have certainly gone down
Fractal geometry
Its all part of bis 5000 year old plan which I wont explain
Magic mirrors ..... I dunno .... pfft
You fight the jailer, then he kill you and everyone else. have a monologue... "I will remake the reality, and you will understand the next time you see me." Server shut down. World of Warcraft 2... March 2024
Im sure they will do that after the world soul saga since Azeroth will born and destroy the planet
He just genuinely just solved the plot and gave it an insteresting twist and story
If Zack was finished with the FF 14 storyline, through Endwalker, I think he would be even more pissed off about how things turned out. Especially seeing what another mmo can achieve compared to this garbage.
FF14 Endwalker is so GODDAMN GOOD！
im still wondering how will he react in the future, he is ignoring the best story an MMO could have, in my opinion
@@MelaniAlarcon He's getting a good gameplay from lost ark, and a good story from FF
Nice combo.
@@daffanier well, im not sayng he didnt, but he is not into FF for what it is yeat, thats what i meant. He is in that step were many casual players tend to leave still
@@MelaniAlarcon nobody wants to be forced to sit through a good storyline when the game is presented as a sandbox MMO. sorry.
Asmon's alternative ending on SL is fucking awesome. Get him on the writing team. It even unmakes N'zoth's shitty death.
they actually turned the jailer into the NPC meme... that's epic lol
“Not everything has to be game of thrones.”
True.
I actually think the ICC and Forge of Souls bit from the intro cutscene was well done.
It’s the first instance of a retcon that didn’t make me slap my forehead and ask who thought that would possibly work.
Like yeah it’s a retcon, but it fits with both the old lore and new lore.
Actually decent retcon. I wonder if this was written by the new guy lol
The ending was absolutely shit though. We still don’t know anything about what this guy wanted to do. At least Sargeras had a specific threat. Cleaving swords through worlds and shit, but we don’t even know what “unmake reality” even means. He never actually did anything.
Yeah it really felt like Preach was trying to shit on it for no reason
Actual ending was hilarious though
No it was a terrible retcon.
It was not germane to what came before. The story was not a natural evolution of what came before.
It was insulting for how stupid and awful it was. It was this quote:
"And so the story ends with the writer laughing at you. “Ha ha! I got you! You totally fell for it! She totally pwned you, dude!”
If you were wondering why your character obeyed this idiot woman no matter how much her goals ran contrary to yours, now you know: The writer didn’t actually have the brains to outsmart you, so he simply railroaded you into doing stupid things."
Can we chat about, how the jailer can send the maw's interdimentional chains to pull land into the maw (Korthia, Zereth Mortis), -
And that, the Jailer could have literally done this at anytime to get to the Selpher without us knowing and succeeded in remaking reality, had Sylvannas not cracked the sky open so we could go in and stop him. Its literally like, a redundant plot with bigger plot holes than the plot itself.
You are failing to remember that this is a massive retcon of a character that NEVER EXISTED UNTIL THIS EXPANSION.
When recruiting new writers
, they should ask them what they thought of GOT season8. If they thought it was good, straight up end the interview. Who hires these people!??
“How did she just walk in there?!”
You mean the queen of the undead? How did she walk through a group of…undead?
We have been under ICC in Wotlk. There was a giant fucking hole underneath infected by faceless ones and tentacles. Falling down started a quest back then that made you find Arthas's carved out heart which makes everyone realize that there's no way of ever recovering him from ICC.
i don't usually comment but damn those were some amazing ideas you had for the expansion ending. Genuine would have been interesting!
so, 'a cosmos divided will not survive' but he's literally the one that was dividing the cosmos???
Wasn't that Arthas' motivation in WotLK? Wasn't that Sargeras' motivation since/before the Burning Crusade? I think they said that the Jailor was pulling the strings behind both of them so it makes sense that they had the same motivation, but it just feels so bad. The Jailor came out of nowhere to the point that I just can't connect him to those past storylines.
At least I'm not the only one who made that connection.
No. Arthas's motivation after he became the Lich King was turning the world into the Scourge.
See for example Warcraft 3.
Originally the threat behinf everything were the voidlords. But it seems blizzard forgot that they exist. Unless they are ultimate evil that the jailor is afraid of. And sure that would make sense but why hide who he is talking about? We have known about the VLs for a long time now
What you mention about using the jailer as a reset button for a more modern azeroth - that would have been amazing. To see us finally lose for a reason, hell yeah. What a cool curve ball.
Ay yo, Blizzard said this would be the conclusion to a series of events dating back to Warcraft 3 in the 90s, and then ended on a cliff hanger.
😂😂😂😭😭😭
Man Asmongold's idea would be fucking awesome and makes a lot of sense, it would explain why sylvanas did the things she did and give a decent reason for her now being accepted as "one of the good guys" and why the jailer wanted to "remake reality" while also making something new on a villain with the whole "we lost this time" thing
Wait.
So first he or another "partner" of his, sends agents into every part of the cosmos to destabilize them.
Then he wants to "unmake reality", but just while dying he wants to unify them all under him to defend against what is to come?
?????
ahh but theres something out there trying to unmake the stuff that makes reality! which is worse than JUST unmaking one reality, it is unmaking the multireality!
"Bonestorm. You remember that?"
How could I ever forget?
As I understand it, the jailer concept art was always Zovaal as the arbiter, not Zovaal the Jailer
Imagine that, let's say that in 9.1 we had an actual character building around the jailor, and we have an explanation for all of his motives and it was actually well developed, now in 9.2 we got a "war effort" kind of event, where we had 2 sides, one agreeing with the jailor and helping him, one against him, so get 2 raids, one for the jailor side and one against him (both sides can do both raids but, let's say you're on jailors side, you can't get "points" or whatever by doing the other raid, just gear) and we have a few other things to do in order to help or prevent jailor's plans, in the end of 9.2 we get the conclusion and 9.3 or even 10.0 is the consequences of that, I mean, the opening of the gates in vanilla is till this day considered a fucking awesome event, I don't really know any other event like that and blizzard could have saved, or at least made shadowlands a bit more interesting and they just threw all to the trash
I appreciate that Asmon feels that N'Zoth was done dirty by how easily he was defeated. They've really butchered making the Old Gods feel like a legitimate threat with both Cata AND BfA.
Always remember, Deathwing: A minion to the old gods, he got an expansion.
N'Zoth: Most intelligent and conniving of all the old gods, finally freed from his prison and at full power: A patch.
The fact that the ending of BfA didn't transition into a Black Empire expansion, and instead got Shadowlands, is outright criminal.
Did WoW copy Marvel? Thanos's snap was Jailer. End Game = Jailer death. Cosmos = Eternals. So we are going to a multiverse war next?
FFXIV: Endwalker did a similar thing with the plot but they at least had the spine to resolve that particular conflict within the expansion and in a far more thoughtful way.
How did Zovaal as an arbiter get the knowledge of a greater evil coming for us...
God this ending cinematic is probably the worst cinematic ever. Even Garrosh yelling "Draenor is free" is actually better than this. We get no resolution, no explanation, nothing. We just ended the guy who orchestrated the most important plan in all universe and reality and we don't get anything... This is so bad.
Not tyring to defend this garbage of an expansion but... that first question is pretty dumb. He obviously learned from the souls he judged. We still dont know what it is but id be damned if they still forget about the voidlords. And if its them zovaal could simply have judged beings corrupted by the void, maybe even the the souls of the ethereals.
@8:00 I joked when all we saw was his shadowed outline that he was just gonna be "The Lich-ier King" and, I mean, he's The Lichier King. "Hey here's our newest barely changed Death Knight tier set." He loses all presence by becoming so generic.
Sad Robot > Mr Snow Miser > Nipple Man >>>>> Lichier King
When a storyboard writer lies on their resume, you get Shadowlands.
"Missed the opportunity to do that" this should be on Blizzard's Tombstone.
I always thought the FORGE of Souls were to like weave souls into armor/constructs/abominations/spells etc. But were there any indications at all ever that is was some sort of azerite siphoning machine?
It wasn't.
13:38 THAT is excatly the reason why I stopped playing retail. I loved the lore so badly, that, when it came to the point it became ridiculous, it wasnt fun anymore. Makes me sad to this day.. Such a great potential destroyed
"First two months were ok" damn this really was WoD 2.0
It's just that in this ending cinematic. All those scenes of the Eternal Ones punishing the Jailer seems more fit to have been shown before 9.1.
You don't even see the Primus in this cut scene, only his shadow and voice. It really makes me think Blizzard wanted to put it in earlier but decided not to and then shoehorn it in the ending.
If they did it earlier, maybe they could transition that into the whole plot of the jailer's intentions and the cosmos divided stuff in 9.1 and 9.2.
Wasn't killing everyone and enslaving them to save them from a bigger bad the same thing The Lich king wanted to do with the burning legion?
Yes
It’s like poetry; it rhymes.
No? The Lich King was created to specifically weaken Azeroth forces before the arrival of the Legion, aaand then he said "Fuck you" and opposed them. Neither Lich King nor Arthas himself never really cared about the "greater good", Ner'zhul wanted to show middle finger to the Legion for enslaving him while Arthas wanted to be a king of everything and rule forever.
@@tabernacle331 I thought at the end of icc he wanted to get the best people to fight the legion when they came
@@davidbrzoza687 "Watch now as I raise them [greatest heroes] from the dead to become masters of the Scourge. They will shroud this world in chaos and destruction. Azeroth's fall will come at their hands -- and you will be the first to die." -- Arthas, from ICC fight.
So Arthas just wanted the whole Azeroth to become undead.
I still dont understand why did sylvanas destroy the crown if domination to open portal to shadowlands, isnt the lich king controlled by the jailor lol ? So he could have just told him to break it/open it himself. Lol what shit writing full of holes
Imagine if the expansion was a dreadlord focused expansion, and the jailer was just a pawn of sire denathrius. I thought the direction they were taking the lore of the dread lords was actually cool, and makes more sense narratively and to the average players than the jailer did it all, because the dread lords were there in wc3. They’re known for playing both sides and it fits their character to help the legion only as a means to further the goals of sire denathrius. If his plan was more fleshed out, it would be amazing to see, especially as dreadlords are just such a good villain because we actually want to go out and kill them like you were saying, the villain we need is one we hate.
Exactly. Villains like Archimonde and Kil'Jaedon work because they were mostly in the background in Warcraft 3, the scourge of Lordaeron, the purge of Quel'Thalas. Neither were even in the world of Azeroth yet, and they still caused damage to the world through their minions. The main villain doesn't always have to be in our faces, hell the villain doesn't have to always be hidden, as long as the bad guy appears at the right time, like how Archimonde appears at the end of the undead campaign in Reign of Chaos and destroys the city of Dalaran. That is how a villain should be introduced. Blizzard's writings have aged like milk, their villains become less like villains and more like anti-heroes. And that is the issue, what motivation do we have to fight the bad guy if we either don't care or don't want to fight the bad guy if there is no personal investment to it? No satisfaction to see the villain defeated?
Like Bolvar could've been much stronger as lich king, and could've almost kill sylvanas. When he would have chance for final blow, Jailer would talk to Bolvar and dismiss LK powers. Then all could have happened the same in the Cinematic.
Blizzard! Respect the lore, respect elder who made this game what it is. If this team was the original , then this game wouldve been dead after 1 year. Untalented scums.
I’m gonna miss you, jailer. It’s almost sad to see you go. Born during the saddest time in Warcraft, you had the potential to be a great villain, yet you were disgracefully reduced to this husk.
Never had any potential
Sad BioWare noises.
Not only is the Jailer a boring character in terms of storytelling, he just *looks* boring. Like....so forgettable in every way.
You know, they just took that from Star Wars. That was what Papa Palpatine was trying to do. Fucking blizz at it again.
Serious waste of not having Preach and Asmongolds facepalm face for the thumbnail
I saw ICC being a conduit when I realized how the entire northrend continent is a circuit board. The entire continent is a massive gaming PC motherboard. I saw this coming back in Wrath. It's got a RAM area, a hard drive, a GPU, cooling systems, nanotechnology ports run by robots. Sound outputs, etc. The entire Wrath expansion was us cleaning corrosion and dust and a virus plaguing the system and then giving it a good reboot.
No Asmon, you are not the only person, I stopped playing because the story and narrative of the game burned me, I couldn't connect with the content because of how bad it was story.
You can have a game with no story and be successful, but you can't have a game with a bad story (especially on an IP as old and successful as Warcraft) and be successful because if it has a story inevitably people connect with it in some way. , the story and narrative of a game has to have a minimum of quality, something that WoW no longer has, mainly due to the inconsistencies and all the changes they have been making in the latest expansions.
What is happening with WoW is similar to what happened with Star Wars when it was acquired by Disney. The direction took a swerve and they began to change things that made everything that was already established be in doubt or change and that hit the fan base, the thing was so drastic and so poorly done that even those who were not very interested in the story began to notice the inconsistencies and/or feel that there were things that did not make sense, feeling confused, and rejecting the change.
It could be said that they were unable to develop the story as they wanted due to the problems caused by COVID and internal scandals, leading to an overall lack of content. However, that is not a true justification, ultimately the failure of the expansion continues to weigh on them and their failures, being a company with a poor or inflexible organization to deal with covid, and at the same time being rotten from within for years, causing scandals.
FFXIV had delays due to covid but they adapt well and despite everything they released one of the best expansions, if not the best, of all up to that moment (Shadowbringers). Blizzard is simply a company that is sick and broken from within.
17:37 wait, that actually sounds so cool
That ending you propose is way too smart for Blizzard
Terran Gregory is an absolute genius in cinematic designing, his team carries this pile of shit storyline. How can he and others who are there from the beginning accept this lore? Is it possible that anyone says "This is great"? AND! I dont really get how can you not make a CGI cinematic about the very end of Warcraft lore? Arthas? Jailer? Pretty important characters...
The intro cinematic is actually pretty good in my opinion, Shame about the ending one being hot trash.
the intro cinematic did a good job pretending they actually planned this for 15 years... as long as people stop telling that fake story about a sword... and a wound? whatever that all is.
My question is how does Torghast link to the sepulcher?
Bell, Nobbel, and Asmon need to be writing WoW
Denathrius was basically hinting his allignment with the jailers plans in the flashback and willingness to help him
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I hope asmon is right, that the people who made shadowlands are no longer with the company, and the new crew is just trying to start fresh with the new expansion. I’ve been playing since I was a kid, since Wrath, and to see the game like this sucks. That being said, I won’t ever give up on WoW. I hope it arises to the former glory it once had. FOR THE ALLIANCE!!
I couldn't stand chat thinking that he meant Egon, when he was talking about Dana's building in Ghostbusters being built by Ivo Shandor.
Its clear to see the old Jailor concept became a scuffed Maldraxus guy but with horns
Also lost ark is a shit game my boys. Don't get the hype.
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The machine in ICC tells me that the jailer knows a much faster and efficient way to the soul of Azeroth, i think northrend in general is that point in the planet most closer to the Titan soul rather than silithus and the wound.
The Jailer's face that Preach's video freezes on from the 11:00 mark to like 20:50 reminds me so much of that "Must not fap" meme.
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2:17 What sword bro? There never was a sword. What are you talking about [GASLIGHTING INTENSIFIES]
So this is where Queen's News of The World album artist got his idea from, such deeply layered IRL lore
*Asmon NEEDS to watch Nobbel's reaction to this cinematic!*
It says a lot about Wrath's design that over a decade after the content has been relevant and few have seen it recently (the ICC 5 mans generally don't pop in leveling queues, or they didn't use to) outside of maybe farming the battered hilt, that it is recognizable in less than five seconds on screen.
27:05 I watched this in the Audience at Blizzcon & the moment she had her hands positioned around the crown I 100% knew she would destroy the crown. Noone puts on a crown with the hands placed like that :D
16:35 - Blizzard is playing it too safe to pull From Software level of writing a game out of nowhere.
I would love to see a blizzard writer/employee react to this and give honest non-biased opinions/ feedback
This Denathrius-cut is completely understandable.
Because we learned at the end of the Revendreth-questline that Denathrius betrayed everyone. That he told Zovaal the things he said it's completely understandable because he had to play a role for the other Eternal Ones. Just Lying for the bigger purpose and to keep the others unsuspicious.
Thats what I would've done too in Denathrius' position
brooo if blizz did what asmon said regarding the nzoth fight and we as the players succumbed to the madness and we died and got sent to the shadowlands and they did a big reset. do you fucking understand how cool would that shit be?!?!
it would reignite my passion for the game.
At this point, with all the time travel, dimension hopping, memory altering, and death defying the story progression has to lead to the players being the bad guys. Logically if the players always beat the baddies and the bigger baddies, then with the biggest baddies saying there is another big baddie that is coming it has to be the players. The thing that beats the baddie and threatens their plan for reality always ends up being the players. The perpetually penultimate baddie always sees the players in some weird time travel shenanigans beating the ultimate baddie and goes "oh shit gotta stop those dudes". How can there ever be a true ultimate unbeatable baddie if the players ALWAYS end up beating whatever?
The Jailor at the end of the expansion...It's just a prank Bro 😂
I can fix the entire shadowlands storyline with one sentence:
Create a reacurring almost forgettable character that you encounter in each of the main zones that is close with the inner council of each faction that is quietly influencing the decisions of the leaders to ultimately bring upon the same end goal of the ending cinematic.
Boom
Infiltration, hiding in plane sight, you can do quests for the main bad guy without even knowing it.
Plus, why not create dungeons or scenarios of going back to original ICC to activate the forges as "an attempt to stop the jailor" but the quest giver was secretly the jailor the whole time and you activated the final raid on accident.
Boom.
Better yet, you could've explored the consequences of no lich king, the intro questline should've been quelling the raging undead forces, then being forced to send heros into the shadowlands to find the forgemaster to craft a new helm or tool to control the undead, THEN dealing with the end big bad guy.
OR EVEN
IDK, CREATING A LEGENDARY WEAPON SPECIFICALLY FOR NIGHT ELVES THAT HAVE A LONG RARE QUESTLINE EXPLORING THE ELUNE STORY
AAAAA
OR FUCKIN, IDK, PLAY AROUND WITH CLASS-SPECIFIC TRAININGS IN EACH ZONE, DRUIDS HAVE COOL CLASS GLYPHS AND QUESTS IN FAIRY LAND, PALADINS GET COOL NEW MOUNTS IN BASTION, WARLOCKS AND DK'S GET COOL NEW WEAPONS OR GLYPHS IN THE DEAD PLACE, ROUGES GET A COOL NEW SOMETHING IN THE RED PLACE
BLLLAAAHHH
WHAT ABOUT ADDING QUESTS THAT CAN ONLY BE DONE WHEN YOUR CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY DEAD AND YOU CAN TALK TO SPIRIT HEALERS IN THE AFTERLIFE AND MORE NPC'S POP UP WHEN YOU'RE DEAD, YOU COULD MAKE A DEAD-ONLY QUEST TO FIND ARTHAS OR VARIAN OR SARFANG OR ANYONE, THERE COULDV'E BEEN SO MANY COOL IDEAS WITH THE DEATH EXPANSION BUT NO
IT WAS JUST A DISNEY RIDE WITH A TUMBLR PROJECT MANAGER GOING THROUGH AN EMO PHASE BACKED BY CORPO GIANTS
WHY AND WHEN THE FUCK DID SPACE PIRATES BECOME A PLOT POINT, IN THE REALM OF THE DEAD... D E A D
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
11:42 he was talking about the 6 forces (shadow, light, life, death, order and disorder)
This once again brings me back to the question: Why did they say "There must always be a Lich King"?
Nothing happens with the scourge when the helm breaks anyway, and they were only a bunch of ghouls after we killed pretty much everone in ICC.
AND Arthas WAS THE VERY FIRST LICH KING.
There was no Lich King before Arthas.
Just as there was no Davy Jones before Davy Jones.
@@GeorgeMonet Nerzul was "techinically" the first lich king
To somewhat even the playing field for the fight between Sylvanas and Bolvar, I think it could've been interesting to have a plot line of Sylvanas acquiring a new mourneblade that was made for her, which would also foreshadow the existence of the Jailer, because we wouldn't know who had it made yet.
At 29:40 They couldn't introduce the expac with Sylvannas dying because they already did that with Varian Wyrnn in Legion.