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Are Molly, Issa, Kelli and Tiffany Really Friends? (Insecure Season 3)
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Molly and Issa are friends.
Kellie and Tiffany are friends.
The 2 pairs together are acquaintances. They hang out socially because it's convenient.
I think they hang out socially because it is fun. Those pairs are the core BFFs.
Exactly
I can see Molly and Issa as genuine best friends but Kelli and Tiffany? I just don’t see it
That’s very but you slowly see Kellie hanging out with Issa and Molly more especially after the recent episode
@Beautiful Dreamer -
That is the way it usually works with women. They at best will only have 1 or 2 friends, the rest are acquaintances of convenience. Which is why women say, "Well no one that I know does that", and all of the rest of those deflection statements, the women they are referring to they really know nothing about, except for whats needed out of the acquaintance.
I think this friend group is authentic... a lot of us have friends that sometimes we have to ask ourselves ‘why are we friends again?’
NattieNat05 it may be authentic to you, still doesnt make it a good friendship
Molly and Issa are best friends/sisters. Molly and Tiffany are Sorors. Kelli's best friend is Tiffany. Tiffany just keeps them all around because she need to feel like she's better than someone.
Exactly
Yep
Molly and Issa are definitely friends, in fact, even sisters. It's like what Kelli said to Molly, "You don't get it because you have Issa". Molly always offered to let Issa stay with her, and besides, Molly is the only character other than Issa who appears in every insecure episode, which already shows us how important she is in Issa's life. As for Kelli and Tiffany, they may have their own issues but they aren't close friends with Issa or Molly.
Boom, you hit the nail not he head. I completely agree
I have BEEN saying this, they are not good friends to one another. It seems Molly and Issa are the best of friends, but they are still pretty shady to each other.
i wouldn't say shady...they throw shade, but its never behind each other's back. it's to the face. you gatta be real close to do that. and they've disagreed and fallen out a few times and come back - it's realistic tbh.
Ms Chantaé idk if that’s realistic because grown women don’t be having fall outs with their close friends. One issue that brought you guys closer? Okay, cool. But two or three? You should be cutting them off if that’s the case.
You know how you have those friends in college that you still hold on to but do not even know why you all still hang?? Thats how I feel like they are friends. Like they all lived on the same dorm floor LMAO
T.M.M. Richardson yep
100%
Ooooh this hit my personal spot! Literally going through this right now
Yes.
This literally describes what's going on now (I'm a freshmen in college) but you know I can't deal with it no more and it makes me wonder how a real friendship she be like.
Hell, Tiff in the FIRST season gave off the "frienemy" vibe
She really did. She's doing better now, but she's also already in the third phase of her life. Everyone else is still in the first, post-college stage. She can't be with them anymore
Tiffany is annoying. She seems to want to be the 'star' of the relationship.
Tiffany and Derek friendship with them goes through Lawerence. There is no real allegiance there, friends by association. Derek is a true friend to Lawerence, you can tell there’s respect there....much more than Chad. Lawerence alter ego is Chad.
@@geraldos9094 WELL SAID
Yes, she was so mean.
They dropped the ball on the shower. Yes. Tiff Leaving Kelli out the planning committee was whack and hurtful.
Yea I agree. It definitely shows the strain on there friendship that we don't normally get to see.
ticheri The shower was tasteful and nice...it tells me, the right people planned it well. Tiffany was right to let someone else throw the shower. Kelli would’ve had male strippers.
Tiff was wrong. Kelli is her best friend and you don't do that to her. You have an honest heart to heart with her then whined when they pointed it out. I do not like that character at all.
RUWeird2OrIsItJustMe Seriously? Kelli was upset the baby was impeding their friendship...is that really a friend? Jealous of your baby? If her and Tiffany was that close, she would have been included. I have friends that aren’t responsible or reliable for certain situations...Kelli is that kind of friend, she’s good to hang out with, but when you really need something done, she’s too whimsical and ghetto.
@@geraldos9094 not the right people 😂😂
I will say this. My entrepreneur journey has not been easy and I've struggled financially a lot. Not once have my friends made me feel bad or make fun of me and my journey. I thought it was really telling how they clown Issa's idea. Here this woman is finally finding her passions and figuring out what she wants to do, and they clown her? That was actually painful to watch.
L Gill so well said! I was literally like “Really? Y’all just gone make fun of her like that? This is the 1st time you’ve heard Issa excited about something she’s working on, an entrepreneurial endeavor and that’s what you do?!”
But being *an entrepreneur isn't the same as being resigned to a job you hate and having no direction in life. Two completely different situations.
@@Animefreak242 No matter where a person is in life, you don't have to shit on them and they don't owe you their success either. If the shame or disregard you feel for them is that strong, cut them off.
Lauren that is kind of the point isn't it? She is trying to find her direction because she works at a crap job and they're crapping on her ideas of how to make changes where Nate(Nathan?) supports them.
It was even thought out, how could it been her passion? No plan, no real agenda....I want to throw a block party!!! The permits, legal liabilities and security (which need to be paid upfront), food, financial ramifications, etc. Sometimes you need a friend to tell you....let’s come up with another idea.
After the Coachella episode, I think it was made clear that Tiffany thinks she's better than the rest of the girls.
more like Tiffany in Season 1 and throughout the entire duration of the show. It's painfully obvious she feels like she's better than the other girls because (I presume) she's light and married.
When this season first started that was my first thought, why is she staying with Daniel and not one of her friends??
Exactly, it would be one thing if they were all struggling and couldn't put up with her for an extended period, but it looks like they are just fine, so why is she posted up at Daniel's house over her best friends. It honestly makes no sense. Even if Issa is a terrible house guest, her friend would be better equipped to put her in check or vice versa if the friend was a terrible host.
Birdie Wolf right I'm like her best friend is a successful lawyer and the rest of them are successful as well, are you kidding me???
Molly did ask Issa if she needed to stay with her. I think Molly asked her in S2E8 and she definitely brought it up again in S3E1 but then they argued over that damn vase... LOLOL!
Yeah I know Molly offered which honestly makes it weirder to me. Like what is so fundamentally wrong about staying at your best friend's house when you are homeless and the only other option is to move in with your ex, and it has to go beyond the fucking vase. There is something going on under the surface with Molly and Issa on Issa's side because no way you pass up staying with your BEST friend to stay with your ex who is fucking other women around you. Yall need group therapy.
She made some excuse about Daniel being the closest to her job (back when she was working at WGY) but that sounded like just an excuse (LOL). How far away are her parents that she couldn't stay with either of them?
Issa can't rely on her "friends" and it's very telling. Like it's been said in the comments, she's comfortable with these women and that's not enough to sustain a valuable relationship.
I hope people seeing this dynamic will have the courage to drop their deadweight friends.
Issa is like Lyn in Girlfriends. They dog her so they can uplift their self esteem. The only friendship I see is Molly and Issa.
OMG she totally is Lynn(awkward, many passions), Molly is Joan (successful but messy relationships and hopelessly single), Tiffany is Toni (boujee) and Kelli is Maya ( the comedic relief)
@@patriciawadzanai7716 Exactly! I miss Girlfriends. Hopefully Traci Ellis signs a contract with Netflix so it can be aired. 🤞🤞
Patricia I actually felt like Kelly was Lynn. Remember when Toni didn’t want Lynn watching her baby... similar to how Tiffany didn’t want Kelly to plan her shower but couldn’t say it
Patricia omgosh how did I not see that?? The character similarities at least.
Tasha Monique lol really? You know Molly is Joan right?
I've had a friendship dynamic similar to theirs. They are friends out of necessity. The need outweighs the want. Because we are social creatures, we are always going to cling to a relationship that feels familiar & safe. Issa feels safe with these women. And it's safe to assume she's known them for majority of her adult life. Leaving a relationship like that is difficult and sometimes scary.
Not to mention, Issa staying with Daniel. That seemed natural to me. She's known him longer than any of those women. And he hasn't done anything wrong to Issa. Molly was shacking up with Dro. Tiffany is very territorial of her husband and home. There were hints of marital problems throughout the show concerning Tiffany. I don't see Tiffany keeping a friend in the same house as her husband rent free. The only one Issa could possibly stay with is Kelli and they obviously aren't that close. This friendship dynamic may seem off but that how they function. I have friends that I've know my whole life. But I would never stay with them. Bills, kids, pets, location, cleanliness, & significant other, can interfere with one's decision to accept someone's hospitality. Issa's own brother wouldn't let her stay. But that's just me tho. 🤷🏾♀️😅
Starr Hugley exactly!
All of this.
I think the story line is that they all met in college.
You hit the nail right on the head
Who else are they going to hang out with. They have history and can call each other friends. It’s hard to make friends in your adult life.
true dat. ppl are so guarded and closed off.
I feel like a lot of friend group dynamics are like this. It’s not ideal, but it is realistic.
Nah Tiffany on some "I outgrew you" shit with Kelly. Not #TeamTiffany
Angel Brown But that actually does happen in real life. You do outgrow people. U have to delete them out your life, or they'll bring u down.
Issa needs new friends in S4.
Molly ribs Issa here and there but Kelli and Tiffany simply don't respect her.
This part
I've been saying this from the first season. They're not friends. Tiffany and Kelly are ridiculously hard on Issa. I imagine they'd be hard on Molly too if they were as close to her as Issa is but she seems to have her act together.
Tiffany was wrong with how she did Kelly though. She did try to be involved. She wanted to be involved. She doesn't have kids so Tiffany said no.
I think that part reflects reality. Many women end up with a whole new set of friends when they either get married or have kids. And the single friends/ friends without children feel left behind.
That is so weird to me when you have friends like Kelly who even though they don't have them want to be around and love yours. Why turn your back on that person and treate them like she treated her?
@@TNDCBaby I agree with you. I've seen this time and time again.
Kenya Issa is still in a child like phase. Everyone is concentrating on their careers, family and Issa’s planning a block party, trespassing into someone’s pool, taking mollies from someone she doesn’t know. Issa found another enabler Nathan to co sponsor her ideas, while her friends laughed at her senseless idea....as they should.
@@geraldos9094 All of them took the Mollies. None of them have perfect lives. I'm not sure what that has to do with my comment though.
I think it's accurate in showing how long-term friendships grow, change and sometimes end when dealing with shifts from major life events, like having children or getting married. I think that's why it's sometimes uncomfortable to watch because many of us millenials are experiencing similar situations.
If I remember correctly Molly and Tiffany are the glue that binds these four women together. Issa + Molly = BFF, Molly + Tiffany = Line sisters/sorority sisters, Tiffany + Kelly = BFF, Issa + Kelly = friends by association? Molly + Kelly = friends by association? I also think the show episodes aren't long enough to really develop most of the characters. We pick up more context about character back stories and group dynamics from season to season, plus it's easy to miss important details because they aren't always relevant in the moment but come up in another season i.e. Issa drops her taco in season 1 and drops her taco again in season 3 or Issa and Lawrence were together for five years and for four of them Lawrence was trying to get his business off the ground -- so many people missed this.
Manestream Beauty When did it say that Molly and Tiffany were line sisters?
@@Lemondoor In season 1 episode 3 -- the episode where Molly introduces Jared to her friends over drinks. Molly sees TIffany and they do a sorority call and hand gesture (I don't remember if it's legit or made up.) Issa makes a joke out of it throwing up fake 'gang signs' It's easy to miss and/or forget because I can't recall them mentioning it again anywhere else in the show.
Manestream Beauty I don’t think Kelly and Tiffany are truly bff.
I find that most American comedies have families/friends who are too strong with the roasting in a way that would never stand in real life.
lol I was thinking that too. All the comedies I've seen that follow a group of friends always has them taking rlly low jabs at each other 😂 i think they're just trying to make the audience laugh. I nvr thought anything of it bc you're right -- it's not realistic.
There needs to be a black male version of this cuz we go through like the same but in a different light but it still needs to be shown about relationships, masculinity, etc
create one.
oh wow....most guys i talk to, they're like females are to dramatic petty. guys have their issues in the friend groups but one would never know. they are good at concealing it. i hate when guys pick on one out of the group. if it's like that, ya gatta know ur worth and drop um
I feel like Insecure is the female version of the show Atlanta. But I do want them to go a bit more in depth with Al and Darius' friendship. But I love the show.
Watch Atlanta
You’re right, I’m working on it.
Friends come along for a reason and a season, eventually you will grow apart if the season is done, that's life.
Speak!
honestly i relate to this so much. my main "friend" group is one in which i feel like an acquaintance/ guest. there are five of us and two sets of molly and issa's and im the odd one out its hard but its understandable however, recently ive had an issue come up in my immigration process and we all live in a border town. they are aware that at the moment i cant cross over to to mexico however when ever they make group plans through the group chat that im included in, they make the plans to cross over to t.j. rosarito and ensenada knowing damn well that i cant go. its so hurtful and inconsiderate considering they have the privilege of being able to go from one side to the other and yet choosing the side i cant go to for all the hangouts! And i get it that mexico is cheaper but they really cant pay an extra $3 for a drink here? friendships are HARD.
That's so tough! I've gone through this exact dynamic in a friend group before. Now I have moved across the country, (I've been living here for 3 years) and I haven't been able to make any really great friends like I had back home. Only semi-close acquaintances.
that is messed up. For all that you all should buy a bottle, a blender, and some mixers and have house parties. That seems like the least you can do when a friend is having issues, at least some of the time.
Wow! Hate to say I can relate to this minus the added stress of immigration. Sorry to hear dear! But yes my friends are all very educated and have great jobs. It's rare for me to be asked to join their trips. I'm praying for new friends honestly!
I don’t know you but I say this in love...They don’t want you to go baby. Find new friends.
This show just illustrates the dynamic of college friendships evolving into adulthood. I can relate to this show despite being a male. My college buddies and I still hang out, group text, talk about each other, support, etc after 30 years. We are all individuals but share a common bond that negates different life paths, financial status, relationships, professions, and so on. We are an eclectic group that has other friends that align with our current state but we always gravitate back to our base because those are the ones that know us the best in our humble beginnings.
I love Kelli she is so funny
When Kelli said, through ugly tears, that the baby hates her 😂😂😂
Lmao ikr and when she got tased by the police and said don’t remember me like this after peeing on herself 💀💀💀💀 whoever is writing her jokes is doing their job
@@Thatcaramelchic 💀💀💀 It's her! Natasha Rothwell (Kelli) is a writer on the show. She's funny and smart too. Peep her Twitter.
Omg ! Well then she’s doing the damn thing because her character always has me dying
Issa and Molly are not her friend friends. They are acquaintance. Kelli and Tiff are best friends. So Kelli did offer. Tiff told her no. So that rant was uncalled for. Then threw it in her face she didn't have kids. That was a low blow.
I’ve always had this same question about “Girlfriends.”
Kelly is the fun & crazy friend that’s there for you but also tell you what you need to hear when you need to hear it. She’s not for the sensitive people that want them to cuddle their feelings.
Molly is the friend from childhood that you’re slowly growing apart from and secretly wants you to not outshine her. She’ll be there for you when you’re down but it’s probably so she can hear how terrible your life is so her life won’t seem so bad
Issa is the friend who doesn’t quite have her life in order & it’s always something going on with her. She wants to do better but needs that little push and encouragement to do it. She’ll also be down for you no matter what. Always the one to cave and apologize first because she feels like she always in the wrong.
Tiffany is that boujie friend that acts like her life is so perfect. She has the perfect relationship with a kid and white picket fence but deep down she’s not happy. Also she’s not really a true friend seeing that she didn’t tell Issa about the new chick Lawrence was dating or when he met condola at her baby shower.
These are millennial growing pains in adult post college friendships.
I think they all throw sharp jabs at each other. I didnt watch the newest ep yet, but ummm, the pregnant one, she was just talking about how the dynamic of their friend group was getting to her, so I think the show is very aware that this friend group, born out of convenience, is at a toxic stage
Brutal Honesty or Gentle Truth, which do you prefer? We seem to put value on brutal honesty and keeping it real, when I often wonder in friendships why being gentle with one another is the priority. The outside world of strangers is brutal enough.
THANK YOU! I have a friend that says this all the time and I hope she finds your comment 😊
Yes it's always been so strange to me that friends aren't more gentle with each other. You can catch shit from literally anyone on the street, why would I want to deal with that in a friendship
I never really thought Tiffany was Issa’s friend. Kelly is a lil bit closer than Tiff, but Molly is the best friend.
I think a lot of people have friends that they don’t actually like
weirddddd
Well if we split it down: there's two major parts of your life in your 20s/early 30s; do you got your career/money in check, and do you got your love life in check?
Issa aint got either
Molly and Kelly got the career, but Molly is lonely, but so far Kelly is living her personal life the way she wants to. Tiffany seems to be a stay at home wife/mom and is married, but obviously there's a bit of struggling in there.
So they all stick together because most of them ain't got their entire life under control. Kelly seems to be living her best life, but she's a partier, so she can get along with Molly and Issa.
In my opinion, the group would break apart quick if they weren't so dysfunctional. The dysfunction keeps them together but dysfunction is unsustainable so you can see them starting to crack
almost some sort of trauma bonding...hmmm but not really because these are new found issues. im sure in college, things we different. issa was in a stable, happy r/s in college and all of them were at the same level since they were all undergrads at the same uni. I dont think anyone's life is ever perfectly aligned...perfection doesn't exist. i feel like when it comes to large groups of female friends, there will always be a divide. take 3 close female friend for example. three's a crowd.....four could be a party or a plain disaster. and u know us female have fluctuating hormones and shit. its not easy being friends with a group...especially black female that dont play nice. i hate when they get into arguments, but i love them together when they're having fun...or attempting to cuz it seems like something always goes wrong smh.
I haven't seen the new episode but I love Molly/Issa's friendship more than Tiffany and Kelly. Tiffany comes across as very stuck-up and bougee, while Kelly is very funny, she's also hostile and defensive and judgemental. Which is why Issa feels the need to make white lies (like with the whole moving thing last season, she'd said that to Tiffany hella last minute, and now she's basically homeless!) to make up for somewhat competing with them. She's closest to Molly, but even Molly has her moments. I think they're friends for convenience more than an actual bond between them.
I low-key miss Daniel!! Not for Issa but for myself!!! Lol totally unrelated !!😂😂😂
How true. This hits a nerve with me because just recently I was left completely disappointed in a few women in my life who I'm supposed to be close with while planning my wedding. These are ppl I have been down for in every sense of the word and have never needed or asked much from in return. It made me realize that we aren't friends-friends like I'd thought. It also cemented even further my sisterhood with the ones who love me forreal, the ones I can truly count on.
Monique B I can relate. Planning my wedding showed me my friends’ true colors. It was hard to accept that these two women who I saw as my sisters and whom I had know for a decade would easily let me down during one of the happiest moments of my life. It has taken me a while to get over it but I’m finally at a good place.
I agree with all of that EXCEPT when it comes to Kelli. Tiffany shaded Kelli and that’s not cool.
Also to answer your question about her choice of living arrangements, Issa (the character...NOT the writer/producer...gotta make that clear lol) is VERY THIRSTY! That’s why she chose to stay with Daniel rather than her friends. She needs to be in an environment where she feels “wanted and desired”. She was rejected by Lawrence, rejected at work, homeless, and being constantly ribbed by her friends like this very video has stated. She needed Daniel’s attention until she could straighten her professional and personal life out OR she found a real relationship somewhere else. That’s messed up though cause you DO NOT USE PEOPLE as medicine.
A true friend can say anything to you as far as I’m concerned. I’m Issa amongst my friends and they keep it real harsh which is good cos I hate ‘yes’ friends. They roast me on a daily basis but when I need help/support and ask for it - they deliver swift n sharply
Yes! I had to dismiss a toxic friend! She was constantly trying to demean me, especially in front of people. I had to confront her. Even about trivial things like what was wrong with my car, she acted like I couldn’t possibly know what the problem was. Mind you, I worked in Plant Engineering at a global company, so I’m pretty mechanically inclined. She had to go!
I feel like this friend dynamic is the weakest point of the show. Like you, I love Molly and Issa's dynamic, but I didn't even know that Tiffany and Kellie were best friends until this last episode. And nowhere else during this season did we see that Kellie felt this way. They didn't even mention it in the "high-like" episode. Of all of Kellie's crazy outbursts and adlibs, they should have displayed something about Kellie's feelings towards the baby.
In my opinion, it would have made her outburst seem more believable. But I was looking at this episode like, why are ya'll mad? They don't even seem to like TIffany. It always seemed to me that they just tolerated her because she was in the group. And she tolerated them because she is the type of person who needs to feel superior to everyone around her. Next season, I hope that they can develop the friendships a little bit more.
SugarfreeCandy- I couldn’t agree more. I was like “on what planet are Kelli and Tiffany best friends?”
That's interesting but I always felt like Kelli and Tiff was always best friends. It was mentioned in season 1 like they are a pair and Molly & Issa are another pair. Idk maybe I picked up on something unspoken? But I can see how it may have been missed.
When I tell you this baby shower drama is exactly what happened with my friends. It was horrible! Lol
lolll
“So you laughing in support or...” yo I felt that 😂😭😭😭
This is a realistic depiction of how friend groups evolve... these are “real friends” in your thirties. This is her core group because of history and a bond that can’t be broken because they aren’t nice to you and love on you constantly...
I was waiting for SOMEONE to ask this question!
2 videos in a day. Not sure where to start, thanks for continuing ya hustle.
Molly told Issa she could stay with her, but she objected and I TOTALLY understand why. Don’t live with your friends. You will not be friends anymore. Period.
Also Tiffany’s problem and all the girls’ problem is they don’t have married friends& married friends with kids. You don’t have that example around. Also, I don’t think Tiffany felt she couldn’t “trust” Kelli, she knew ultimately she didn’t want the girls to throw her baby shower and that’s ALL on her.
Yes they’re really friends. Realistically, in some stages of life friends start to go separate ways. Even when you stay friends , you don’t see each other a lot. They downed Issa’s project because that pitch was stupid. That’s their dynamic, and none of the jokes seem malicious.
I just thought it was so messed up how Tiffany told Kelli that she wanted Blair to help over Kelli because Blair was a mother...that's such a problematic way of thinking. She could've said that Kelli was messy, or unorganized, or they would argue too much trying to plan - but being a mother isn't a necessary prerequisite to throwing a baby shower. It's really weird and disappointing to see her say something like that, and it implies that either Tiffany and Kelli aren't real friends and/or Tiffany feels a sense of superiority to the rest of the women, specifically Kelli, because she's married/has a baby on the way.
That's a very dangerous road to walk down. What happens if Tiffany were to get a divorce? Or god forbid, she loses her baby or her baby is special needs? Would the "Crazy Crew" still stand with her in alignment? Or would they have the mindset of "but for the grace of God, there go I"? I think that Molly, Kelli, and Issa would still stand by Tiffany and would try to be there for her if her "picture perfect" life hits a snag, and that's what makes a true friendship.
There are lots of other issues, but it really rubbed me the wrong way when Tiffany came out with that comment...maybe they aren't real friends because clearly, Tiffany thinks she's better than the other women because she has a husband and a baby. True friends don't feel like that. It reflects more on Tiffany's self-perception, insecurity, and external validation issues than the idea that the other 3 aren't "good friends" to her - though I'm not arguing that they are good friends to her, because I don't think they are lol
but didn't Tiffany already hint to Issa in a previous episode about "new friends" (if I'm not mistaken). I think because she's entering motherhood, she's trying to switch it up a bit - hang with women that can relate to this new change. but Kelli could've def helped with the baby shower, its NO WAY in hell they are 'best friends'. i feel bad for Kelli ;'( I would've dropped my best right then and there. she's lucky kelli is a real one...cuz some of us dont take lowness
Tiffany's comment to Kelly about her not having kids hit home for me. I'm in my 40s, married but child-free, and our 30s was when my friends and I were all getting married and having children. The dynamics of many of those friendships changed and some of them didn't survive as a result. In two instances, the marriages ended in divorce and these friends reached out and we tried to recreate the friendship but it had run its course. It happens, it's sad but it is a part of life. That's what I see going on with these women on Insecure. I love the show.
I have always felt if you cant go to your friends when your broke or if u cant tell them your downs and outs man those are not friends
This is a fantabulous video ! It’s funny how ppl almost never question the dynamic of that friendship ( which to me was a bit off since the beginning of the show) . Ive thought about it and ive come to the realization that... it’s an accurate depiction of many friendships out there. Some Ppl feel forced to remain friends with their college friends based on the fact that they’ve been « through a lot together » . It’s sad but true sooo keep doing you writers of Insecure lol #Season4InTheMaking
Funny how this is the topic around season 4. I agree, it's toxicity filled
We have seen Molly's family and Issa's brother multiple times - they have access to their immediate families, they just don't necessarily lean on them for any number of reasons....
I love this discussion. I definitely agree that sometimes we are friends with people we met back in university, or grew up with in our neighbourhoods, and we stay friends with them out of habit. I think withe friendships like those you get to a place where you can be raw and real with each other and invest in each other's life milestones and it's hard to get that later in life. I remember when Joan in Girlfriends said to her trainer 'you're too young to know i'm too old to make new friends', and I feel she meant that despite the fact her friends always clowned her it would be hard to make new friends that would offer their savings to help her save her restaurant the way Mya and Lynn did or choose to buy her a valentine's gift over your own husband like Toni did.
But as we get older the tell tale signs of friends vs acquaintances start to show and who is worth keeping in your life. I have one friend who is the longest I've kept though she has been the most disrespectful. It's like Toni and Joan (me Joan) and it's coming to the point where I'm wondering why I have her in my life. She goes out of her way to throw deep insults at me, makes promises she doesn't keep, interrupts constantly, hypocritical and takes advantage of my meekness in a controlling way at times. We are part of a trio and it is only her who has fall outs with me or our other bestie (me and the other never have these same issues). She always goes to bat for me and will fight for me, I'll give her that, but I feel that's her compensation for being shitty at times. Makes me wonder if it's worth staying friends with her and that maybe I do because I don't actually value myself enough.
That's how my friends used to be, by ourselves we were good.... together eventually I became the butt of the jokes. I had to peace out and found a new friend groups and kept my one of the other three friends with me.
I think as a whole they are friends/associates. However, I also think that Issa and Kelli are close associates too.
In fact, you see Kelli with Issa and Molly a lot.
this is my exact experiences with my friends, the constant butt of the joke.
They're just jealous. Keep doing you boo
have you ever spoken up for yourself. friends like that make me uncomfortable and for everyone to get together and pick on u is just wrong. they dont pick on issa tho. they are just super petty and tough on her at time. extremely insensitive. you gatta stand up for yourself. theyll do it behind ur back as well
I thought they were going to address the toxic dynamic in the 2nd season but it only got worst. These women are too old for high school friendenemies. They don't just joke around. They seem to look down on each other. It doesn't make sense that Issa wouldn't actively seek better friends as an adult.
I think they are still going to address that but friendship between the group is not the main focus of the show.friendship btwn issa and molly is
i think its very on character. shes one of those people stuck in arrested development.
i agree with you that as a whole, the 4 don't seem like real friends. but they are a realistic portrayal of how some group dynamics really are. i know so many women who hang out with other women who don't actually care about their well being. it's sad but very realistic.
Me and my friends roast each other many times but we also lift each other up.
I agree with everything you said. I always felt that kelly and Tiffany are friends and Issa and Molly are friends. The baby shower cemented that and also brought out that tiffany didn’t feel like kelly was a close friend. But about Issa not staying with a friend- I can attest to that. I spent one night on a trip with my bestie and it was so horrible. I knew right then that we would always be he best of friends but never ever could we live together. That would kill the friendship. I think Issa expressed that when Molly offered her a room.
Molly, Tiffany and Kelli are all sorors...line sisters I presume. All 4 went to college together and all still hang out. There are many friendships that ended after having lived together as adults. Avoid it if you can.
Tiffany is the least likeable of anyone in the group. She seems like she just tolerates them. So, she probably shouldn’t expect the most from them. They hang out because they’ve know each other for a while and are bound by “time”; but I agree I think Issa and Molly’s relationship seems genuine.
They associates with friends within the group. I had a four person group was the same way. Two of us were closer than the other two and vice versa. I had to realize we weren’t all friends.
Issa and Molly's relationship reminds me of mine friendships. I agree they are as a collective strange, but the living situation i can relate to. Living with friends is just like borrowing money from friends to me. It can definitely hurt a friendship.
I never thought of Tiffany and Kelly as Issa's friends. She only ever spends time with them when all four are present for the most part. They're around each other because they're used to being around each other - and getting out of such a long time acquaintance-ship to make new "real' friendships as an adult is a challenge.
This is just TV. My friends are the same way. We are like sisters and we say insensitive things to each other and we argue all the time....it's real life and I love how the depict the truth with real friendships.
Just a simple comparison between their dynamic and the friendship that lawrence has with chad shows you how toxic the girls relationship is. Chad let lawrence sleep on his couch when he and Issa broke up; and he constantly hypes him up and supports him without having to use sarcasm or shade; and I think that speaks volumes about how men have that culture of "riding for their bros" while women see other women as the enemy
I really enjoyed your perspecitve
You make some great points
I would like a special episode about Kelly and Tiffany.
The only part of the dynamic I personally understand is the pairing between the group of 4 cause we have that and (as of now) has not been an issue.
I think they reflect what happens when you don’t actively work on your friendships and get complacent. It’s like Issa and Laurence in season 1, technically together but no one was initially putting in the work. I think this will force them to reevaluate what they mean to each other
Lol, great points honestly...they don't seem like true friends but it's very possible to have these dynamics. I'm the past, I have been left out of my friend group because I didn't drink nor could I afford the trips they went on. Also, I have felt both job shamed and education shamed because most of my friends are very educated with doctorate degrees. When I mentioned starting a business, I wasn't taken serious initially. So it's a real thing. Needless to say, I'm praying for new friends.
It's Issa and Molly as a unit and it's Kelly and Tiffany as a unit. They're two pairs of best friends who have very few things in common. They only party together. They tried to make a group friendship work because that's what every sitcom does - the four personality types. But thus is supposed to be modeled after real life, not Living Single/Girlfriends. So yes, Issa's boyfriend is friends with Tiffany's boyfriend, now husband, and all of the women lived in the same dorm. But that was a tenuous connection then. Now it's non-existent. They're each only used to catering to one woman, and adding the other two as afterthoughts. That IS a real friendship, when you're just college friends, unfortunately.
That conversation was supposed to make it obvious that Kelly had been asking about it and how she can be a major part of the shower. Their feelings are completely reasonable. It's super common for people to abandon their real friends for people with kids because that's their lives now. Kelly is the partier. She's not a serious person, so Tiffany has been pushing Kelly out of her life ever so slowly. But no. Tiffany does have her sister.
When one of your friends' lives gains steam faster than everyone else's, it makes the so-so bonds you have been grasping onto all the more obvious.
They aren't really hard on Issa. They don't see her like Molly does. When your friend is struggling you have questions. When they have laughable ideas, you act supportive but you laugh in their faces. Issa would get hyped up if she did anything worth hyping. We haven't known her to not be a mess. Kelly helped her with her finances, so I am not sure what else they could do...
I really only searched YT to see Molly's hairstyle this season with the bangs, now I'm watching full analysis of the season 😂😂😂😄
I don't watch the show I watch your videos from the clipse you show they were on point I know a lot of black women believe they have true friends but this shows seem more realistic to me than what comes out of people mouth keep up the good work love the content that you give
I agree. The truth is, they likely don’t realize they’re not ALL really friends. They have been together, for convenience, for quite some time. But it will take some years to come to terms with the fact that actual friends do treat one another a certain way.
It is a Kelly-Tiffany, Issa-Molly thing. But they don’t really have deep feelings for one another. And I do agree, Tiffany was right about the shower. Because, if they were REALLY tight, the shower planning would have been a no brainer. Their overall connection just seems very surface level to me...not much substance...you know?
I love how you are able to enjoy shoes and also critique them. At times, I couldn’t stand her friends and honestly don’t know why she spends time with them. My friends and I poke fun at each other too but we also support each other.
I was thinking this when I saw this but you made a video about it! Great points and examples!
These ladies are NOT friends in my opinion. The times I have watched the show I thought...what? Really....yeah, not supportive. Molly & Issa bond cause they both ain't ish.
This makes me want a Kelly or a Tiffany centered episode. Tiffany seems to have this huge facade up and Kelly seems like the only person out of the four of them who's conducting most of her personal life the way she wants to. Maybe that's coming up this season, who knows...
Issa and Molly best friends, Molly and Tiff line sisters/sorority, Tiff and Kelly close friends, Kelly and Issa friends, Issa and Tiff acquaintances
I notice people emulate the meanness on tv comedy shows and it isn’t always funny and a ribbing but line crossing insulting people you know well and can hurt. It was nice leaving that environment. But it’s a feeling like you are no longer have hilarious friends
I was wondering this!! Thanks for discussing!
Girl, you called it. I noticed something was off...but you really pointed it out.
To be fair to the 'dogpile' regarding Issa's career it's worth noting that Kelly was advising her about finances & savings and told her the real but Issa still forged ahead anyway. Why is she going on a girl's trip when she's barely making it driving uber? Why did she quit her real job with no game plan OR SAVINGS? That is irresponsible and Issa knows that. I saw it as tough love to get her to get in gear.
I also want to point out that Issa especially was disrespectful about Tiffany's baby and that she & Molly were extremely dismissive of her journey. Kelly is a different story & clearly there's more there we don't know but I'm with you being on Tiffany's side.
I think their larger friend group is just ones of acquaintances that hang because they've known each other for a while with Issa/Molly and Kelli/Tiffany being the actual close friends.
I just hopped on season 4 of the show today too
That's reality though. Some friends think you are actually bsing about some things you plan or dream about doing so they laugh @ you for it instead of supporting you.
I do feel like Issa and Molly were trash when it came to the baby shower however, she already had it in the back of her mind she wouldn’t have let them do it even if they tried but Tiffany was hella wrong for not letting Kelly if that was supposed to be her bff. I been there done that with my baby shower so I feel Tiffany BUT... I would have loved to have a Kelly when mine was going down. I only had one friend that was there from beginning to end and she knew she was there for support. I feel like they’re 2 and 2 but they’re also not as supportive of each other as each person needs with their individual situations
This commentary was a stretch. I would have never asked my friends for money or to live in their home. That’s just how my pride is set up. And they have never asked me either. I have offered my home in extreme situations.
I compare their friendship to my personal friendships. We all have been friends since very young. But regardless of anything we support as well as make fun of each other. We each have separate lives and additional friendships. But when we are all together our bond is amazing.
I know I’m a year late to this video but, I always thought the same thing. You brought up points that were super basic (not in a bad way) and I still never thought of them!!! I can relate to Issa on such a deep lever except I was the token big girl of the group. And thanks for the clip I almost forgot abt that.
I hope they explore those friends in a whole season. That wld be so dope to watch!!!
That has been my main problem with the show from jump but my millennial niece told that is how modern girlfriends do it and I just do not get. I too old.
I think she didn’t stay with molly because of a past experience staying with her that didn’t go well and she knew it would cause a strain on the friendship if they tried that again
This is why it’s important to be equally yoked in all relationships.
Issa is the bum of the group.
Kelly is an accountant, probably a CPA.
Molly is an attorney.
Tiffany has a degree, not sure what she does, but she’s married and a home owner.
Issa the only one struggling really.
Is financial struggle the only struggle to recognize?
Exactly!! Tiffany, Kelly and Molly are struggling too!
Ok....this is my take on their friendship. Issa is selfish in my opinion....Molly is also selfish.....hence i get why she and Issa are close friends they have similar personalities.....Kelli is jus a damn fool LOL but I rly think she means well...Tiffany is a boogie bitch but she cares deep down....i get why she and Kelli are friends...i think Kelli and Tiffany are closer than what they show because the show is from Issa’s perspective for the most part. But the way Molly and Issa curved Tiffany when she got pregnant is wack to me starting a group chat without her and Kellie was trying to include her. i think the four of them together is messy.....they are basically 2 groups of friends who are grouped together sometimes mixing friends is messy....so i think its true to life!
Umm Kelly asked Tiffany and she said no. So that say a lot about how she feel.
Blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy.