Smalljon got some of the worst treatment from books to show. Died honorably at the Red Wedding defending his king, and the show turned him into one of the worst of Ramsey's supporters.
Stannis is gonna take out the Boltons but the Freys? They’re gonna wish it was Stannis coming to kill them when Lady Stoneheart crashes Daven’s wedding.
@@7yep4336dfgvvh nope, he's alive. He has gathered the mountain clans of the north, a few Stark loyal houses, wildlings, and even has Asha greyjoy captive as he prepares to attack winterfell.
I think the red wedding 2.0 theory may be where the riverlands story goes in The Winds of Winter. Lady Stoneheart and the brotherhood will take out the freys at the Frey/lannister wedding, or something along those lines. Ugh, I just finished rereading the entire series over the last few months… what I’d give to have TWOW in my hand right now haha
@@aegonthedragon7303 Well, he will kill some of the Freys at the Battle of the Ice. But yes, Stoneheart will inflict a terrible fate on the Freys that she catches.
@@marktastic86 nah, I will say it definitely isn’t as good as book 3. And has the hard task of setting up another act 1 after SoS clearly is the climax of the first three books. FfC was much more enjoyable on reread. But I agree it’s a tough one to love initially
@@kingdancekiller I saw an interview with GRRM that said 4 and 5 were originally one book, so he split them up to make both easier to digest. It makes sense that it doesn't flow like the previous three for that reason. But when half the book is Cersei walking around KL being a bitch to everyone plus the High Sparrow storyline, and the other is Brienne (the best part admittedly) walking back and forth over the same terrain looking for Arya and Sansa, it's easily the worst in the series thus far. I did enjoy the ending, though.
@@marktastic86 It’s funny, almost had the exact same reaction, but when you reread it knowing where it’s gonna go, it does get a lot better. You just know Cersei is gonna get one heck of a rude awakening etc. No, it’s totally fair to say a book should be good on its first read, but I do think it kind of ages like a wine
Just looking at it again... god, it's just so horrible. Everything about it... it really is just hard to get through. No wonder GRRM found it such a difficult thing to write. And the ending, where she thinks of what she's lost and goes mad before getting killed... easily one of the most devastating things I've ever read.
Theres 0 chance it happens like in the show. We either have the Great Northern Conspiracy, or Brotherhood without banners reformed under Jaime and Brienne destroying the Freys.
The Frey Civil War is gonna be crazy. It's not enough that all the different factions of Freys are gonna be at eachothers throats but everyone is gonna be looking to take their lands and titles thanks to Cersei wanting to screw them over.
@@Argos-xb8ek yeah post book 5 Westeros looks hectic. Freys inner civil war, Faith Militant growing in strength, Riverlands are still in chaos and you have the Northern kingdom in chaos. Not to mention Iron Born reeving and Young Griff at Storms End
@@Argos-xb8ek If there is even a Frey Civil War, it will be the most pathetic display of military power in the entire series. 50+ Claimants with a dozen soldiers each.
This is why screen adaptations can improve on a book. It all kicks off so much faster in the book, no time to react. In the HBO you have a few moments to sit there and wonder what’s coming when the music starts. And you can shift between Cat and Arya.
Robb was a usurper. Broke vows left and right. Didn't deserve this though. I hope Davos finds rickon. Hopefully the book comes out in the next few years
Robb never attempted to claim a throne that wasnt his. (such as Renly trying to claim the Iron Throne) Him rebelling and claiming the North as an independent Kingdom isnt the same as usurping a throne.
I would have had Greatjon Umber be in that scene and fill the role of Smalljon defending Robb. And then have Smalljon carry on as the traitor picking what he thinks is the right side in the Battle of the Bastards.
Smalljon got some of the worst treatment from books to show. Died honorably at the Red Wedding defending his king, and the show turned him into one of the worst of Ramsey's supporters.
Don’t remind me of that awful show.
@@estevesfilmandgaming3115 fan fiction
Lets not even discuss what they did to Manderly jeez
No, no! Don’t cut my hair. Ned loves my hair. 😢
Really hoping Stannis wipes these worms from existence in the Winds of Winter.
Stannis is gonna take out the Boltons but the Freys? They’re gonna wish it was Stannis coming to kill them when Lady Stoneheart crashes Daven’s wedding.
Hold on, stannis is not dead in the books?
@@7yep4336dfgvvh nope, he's alive. He has gathered the mountain clans of the north, a few Stark loyal houses, wildlings, and even has Asha greyjoy captive as he prepares to attack winterfell.
I think the red wedding 2.0 theory may be where the riverlands story goes in The Winds of Winter. Lady Stoneheart and the brotherhood will take out the freys at the Frey/lannister wedding, or something along those lines. Ugh, I just finished rereading the entire series over the last few months… what I’d give to have TWOW in my hand right now haha
@@aegonthedragon7303 Well, he will kill some of the Freys at the Battle of the Ice. But yes, Stoneheart will inflict a terrible fate on the Freys that she catches.
Roy dotrice has such an amazing voice
it just grips my attention
Shame he won’t be narrating Winds of Winter :(
@@germaner3254 I won't be buying the Winds audio book because hes not reading it, it just won't be the same.
wow very few books made me cry like A song of ice and fire series, 1st nerd then his son, then Jon. honorable men dont live long in the series
That's because the bad guys know how dangerous they are. And even if they do kill them the people they aided will take up the cause in their place.
I'm sorry, but I broke out laughing at "1st nerd." Good ol Nerd Stark 😂
Jon is coming back
@@schoudh the honorable "Nerd Stark"
Ned's death was so sad :( in the dungeon reminiscing his decisions :(
Easily one of the most devastating chapters in the series
This is wonderful. Great job making this
I hear the quality and now I truly regret not reading the book. I made the same mistake with Harry Potter.
Well the first three books are really similar, but book 4 and 5 are becoming totally different stories.
@@kingdancekiller
Book 4 was awful, let's be honest.
@@marktastic86 nah, I will say it definitely isn’t as good as book 3. And has the hard task of setting up another act 1 after SoS clearly is the climax of the first three books.
FfC was much more enjoyable on reread. But I agree it’s a tough one to love initially
@@kingdancekiller
I saw an interview with GRRM that said 4 and 5 were originally one book, so he split them up to make both easier to digest. It makes sense that it doesn't flow like the previous three for that reason. But when half the book is Cersei walking around KL being a bitch to everyone plus the High Sparrow storyline, and the other is Brienne (the best part admittedly) walking back and forth over the same terrain looking for Arya and Sansa, it's easily the worst in the series thus far. I did enjoy the ending, though.
@@marktastic86
It’s funny, almost had the exact same reaction, but when you reread it knowing where it’s gonna go, it does get a lot better.
You just know Cersei is gonna get one heck of a rude awakening etc.
No, it’s totally fair to say a book should be good on its first read, but I do think it kind of ages like a wine
Just looking at it again... god, it's just so horrible. Everything about it... it really is just hard to get through. No wonder GRRM found it such a difficult thing to write. And the ending, where she thinks of what she's lost and goes mad before getting killed... easily one of the most devastating things I've ever read.
The freys got what was coming to them.
No offense but that tv show nonsense won’t happen to them. I’m sorry
Theres 0 chance it happens like in the show. We either have the Great Northern Conspiracy, or Brotherhood without banners reformed under Jaime and Brienne destroying the Freys.
The Frey Civil War is gonna be crazy. It's not enough that all the different factions of Freys are gonna be at eachothers throats but everyone is gonna be looking to take their lands and titles thanks to Cersei wanting to screw them over.
@@Argos-xb8ek yeah post book 5 Westeros looks hectic. Freys inner civil war, Faith Militant growing in strength, Riverlands are still in chaos and you have the Northern kingdom in chaos. Not to mention Iron Born reeving and Young Griff at Storms End
@@Argos-xb8ek If there is even a Frey Civil War, it will be the most pathetic display of military power in the entire series. 50+ Claimants with a dozen soldiers each.
Anybody else had to say damn.. after listening sheesh I loves this stuff 😂
I can’t do it, only made it 30 seconds.
That's what happens when you have adhd
boom DOOM boom DOOM
I'm definitely looking forward to the chapter in wins in winter where the freys finish off the Starks
This is why screen adaptations can improve on a book.
It all kicks off so much faster in the book, no time to react.
In the HBO you have a few moments to sit there and wonder what’s coming when the music starts.
And you can shift between Cat and Arya.
Yeah, but here you get to realize that Catelyn has gone mad and hear her inner thoughts.
No, in fact the show is quickly
The book show people fighting and hidden behind tables
In the tv is just people dying no even a fight
Screen adaption can improve a book for sure. But not in this case in my opinion. I find the book version far, far far better.
@@Morfe02people try to fight back in the show
It is much better in the book actually, much more ominous too with all the foreshadowing and back and forth between Arya and Cat chapters.
Stark's had it coming, what did they think would happen, they expect Frey to be honorable, after Robb dishonored them.
His Walter Frey was spot on ! I 🥰Roy dotrice n was thinking now w ai he can complete the rest .i hope it happens!
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Robb was a usurper. Broke vows left and right. Didn't deserve this though. I hope Davos finds rickon. Hopefully the book comes out in the next few years
Me too, brother. Davos is probably my favorite character.
Robb never attempted to claim a throne that wasnt his. (such as Renly trying to claim the Iron Throne) Him rebelling and claiming the North as an independent Kingdom isnt the same as usurping a throne.
@@slimjoneslfc9695 Yeah, a rebel and a traitor, not a usurper.
I would have had Greatjon Umber be in that scene and fill the role of Smalljon defending Robb.
And then have Smalljon carry on as the traitor picking what he thinks is the right side in the Battle of the Bastards.
the drums thing is too similar to the drums in moria and are a needless distraction from the scene. no shit, there's doom all about