Sound for Video Session: Control Surfaces for Sound Devices MixPre
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- čas přidán 23. 12. 2018
- For those of you who record with one of the Sound Devices MixPre series of recorders, good news: You can now use a variety of MIDI controllers as a control surface with your MixPre. This will make it easier for you to make a quality stereo mix while still recording your isolated microphone channels. This is especially helpful when recording interviews, panel discussions, or lectures. Let’s give you a quick overview!
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Gear and links discussed/used to record this episode:
Novation LaunchControl XL - This is the controller we used in this demonstration.
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Akai MIDIMix
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Korg nanoKontrol Studio
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Korg nanoKontrol 2
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Sound Devices MixPre Recorders
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Blackmagic Pocket cinema Camera 4K - used to shoot this episode
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Copyright 2018 by Curtis Judd
Outro music licensed from Artlist: Sunday by Young Rich Pixies on Amazing Journey
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REALLY, REALLY nicely done and informative.
this was very helpful, I don't do many mixes since I usually just record one boom, I'll check out the other midi controllers. Thanks Curtis, Merry Xmas!
Thanks Carlos and merry Christmas to you!
I can confirm that you can use the Wingman app on Android simultaneously with a control surface in the USB-A port.
also I got my mind blown on set after updating my MixPre-10T to v3.00. my school has the Korg nanoKontrol2s and I was totally not expecting it to be recognized by the MixPre but when it did my boom operator and I were freaking out. I'm definitely going to be investing in the LaunchControl XL for sit-down mixing gigs! thanks for the super informative video as usual. shout-out to Emma for nerding out about drum corps. marching band was a good time.
Thanks for the confirmation Matt! Pretty nice to have options like this.
Very cool got to look into best option for mixpre-6. Also I had completely missed this channel, obviously have to subscribe :)
👍🏻
Thanks for such a thoughtful and descriptive video. Quick clarification: in film production, we use a mono dialogue mix as part of our dailies. Field mixers combine the boom mic(s) and isolated vocals (typically lavaliers) into one mono mix. In editorial, we rely heavily on the field mixer to give us a strong mix for each take. This takes an enormous amount of craft and skill, but a good production mixer is worth their weight in gold.
Thanks for the clarification Mark!
Wow, this is a great firmware update an control option! I really enjoy my MixPre6 but the cramped knobs are a hassle for live mixing. Thanks so much for this video, Curtis.
Thanks Dave.
Upgraded my mixpre-6, went to a music store, got to try out Akai Midi Mix in the the store, the sales guy (Rock musician) was as fascinated as I was. One slider controlled the stereo out level, very sweet. Device lightweight and sturdy plastic. Purchase was a given. Not something I will bring to many shots (one more thing to bring along), but very nice and useful when applicable, for example then managing a conference with multiple audio in.
👍🏻Congrats!
Hey Curtis would LOVE to see a video on your favorite options for 8series since I just got my 833. Looking at the ssl model but the best would be something like a CL 8 if it exhausted haha. Motorized faders would also be nice.
The features are fairly similar of the different controllers, with a few exceptions. I think what sways me to the Launch Control XL is the USB connection on the side. Great job Emma! I am the sound designer for Santa Clara Vanguard. Hope to see you out there again this summer.
Thanks Lloyd and good to hear from you. Yes, having the USB connection on the side works better in depth constrained situations like carts as you know all too well in drum corps. By the way, congrats on an amazing season in 2018! Amazing job by you and the rest of the SCV! Emma is marching with SCVC this year.
If you're interested, I'd love to have a conversation with you some time about the experience of being a sound designer for live performances like drum corps?
Wow! What a small world. Congratulations Emma! I think you are going to have a great time. There are some great people involved with SCVC. I’ll try to say hi at some point this summer.
Curtis, I would love to have a conversation about sound design in the Pageantry Arts.
Thanks Curtis, for the as always informative and educational video.
On a slightly different topic: the 3..02 firmware is also targeting the ambisonic recording. Do you plan to have some episodes on that? Ambisonic recording seems to offer a number of possibilities, but I struggle to find proper information on concepts and how-to.
Thanks again
Luigi
Hi Luigi, I am hopeful that 2019 is the year where I can cover ambisonic recording. 😀
Hi Curtis, thanks for one more excellent video. I see it's from 2018 and assume it all works with current MixPre10II. But did you test any USB hub (with current 10 II) ? I'd like to know about simple and small hubs to connect both a controller and a pendrive for backup and be sure it will work safely
I'm glad that SoundDevices are adding this kind of support for control surfaces. Maybe there's a chance that my FaderPort controllers will be supported in the future. (Presonus is admittedly weird.)
That’d be cool!
First of all, Season's Greetings to you; Curtis.
A Big Thank You to you, for having posted this. Being an user of a Mixpre 6, I did have an inclination towards the Mixpre 10T as well. But for the lack of any control interface for it! The Mixpre 10 T certainly doesn't seem to suit mixing on the fly!
Zoom seemed to have beaten Sound Devices on this score! Now they seem to be running even!
So....will Sound Devices now offer an upgrade incorporating MixAssist as well?
Or am I just day-dreaming....😊
Anyway, the 10T comes back into my wishlist again!
Hi Pradeep and seasons greetings to you! I haven’t heard anything from Sound Devices regarding an auto mix feature on the MixPre series, but perhaps some day!
As a note: I would not make automix a deciding factor to purchase the Zoom F8. It’s automix is a decent start but not yet practically useful in my tests. It does not fade inactive mics enough to make a substantially better mix. I think they can fix address this in a firmware update but that is just a guess.
Very informative indeed Curtis, thx u! Will I get better results in terms of sound quality with this combo (Mixpre 10 & Novation LaunchControl XL) instead of a PreSonus StudioLive 16.0.2 USB Digital Mixer for live streaming with Blackmagic ATEM 4k video switcher? Only 4 live mics!
Hi Carlos, I haven't used the PreSonus, but the MixPre has analogue limiters which are really helpful when working on a mix with more than 2 people at the same time.
does the icon platform m+ work with the mix-pre 10t? I know it works with the scorpio. Is it just any midi controller via usb?
There is a list of four compatible controllers in the user manual. See p. 62 for the MixPre-10T. Unfortunately, the Icon is not one of them.
Hi, great video as always! :) Do you know if its possible to use shortcuts to control the Mixpre using a bluetooth keyboard connected to the ipad? Or, alternatively, is it possible to connect a bluetooth keyboard directly to the Mixpre 10? thank you.
Not that I know of, no. Can can connect a bluetooth keyboard to an iPad and enter data that way.
Hi curtis,
Does mixpre work with icon m+ now? Thank you.
Hey Curtis.
With this Novation LaunchControl XL can you control Gain while is in record mode? Can you contral Gain and Fader during record?
Yes, gain, fader, and pan can all be adjusted on the LaunchControl XL while recording.
Is there any way to use any of the 4 supported control surfaces to control the virtual faders for channels 9 and 10? Every thing I've read and every test I've done seems to say no but I was hoping maybe you had found some magic button combination.....great video!
Hi stalwart56k, I don't see a way to do that. You might contact Sound Devices Support - they should be able to say definitively.
Hi Curtis! It seems like both Zoom F8 and SD Mixpre are using some king of MIDI protocol to comunicate with such controllers. What do you think would happen if we plugged one of this devices to Zoom F8? Have you ever try it? I still thing FRC-8 is way to expensive for what it is doing. I was wondering if you could replace it with a device like you've just reviewed.
Hi Pawel, unfortunately, no, the recorder needs to have the software necessary to understand the midi controller.
Hi curtis 👋🏼. Really appreciate if you can make a video tutorial of Mixpre with Korg nanokontrol studio. 🙏🏼
Thanks for the suggestion.
Yes!!! I want to see too!
I’ve lost some audio twice because of 3.0.0: my Mix-Pre wasn’t able to create the second 4 GB file. I realized it only when I saw release notes for 3.0.1. I guess you should always be careful with major version upgrades :(
Thanks for the update Vadim and sorry that you lost some audio :( Hopefully the bug fix eliminates this issue.
Hi Curtis. Thanks to your explanation for this device, I've just invested in the Novation Launch Control. It works very well with my Mixpre 6.
I have a question: how does one customise the buttons for transport/record functions on the Mixpre.
And another note, I have started saving up in earnest for the Mixpre 10 ll to go with the Launch Control.
Kind of like buying shoes first, and then planning to buy a tuxedo to go with it! 😊
Hi Pradeep, This video shows how to setup the shortcuts and map them to the up, down, left, and right buttons: czcams.com/video/sil-5TpPpLs/video.html
@@curtisjudd Thanks a bunch!
@@curtisjudd Thank You Curtis for great video again , May I ask do Novation has enough key to assign all basic keys we need , says Rec , stop , play , next track and previous track ? four keys seems no enough , am I get it right ?
@@geycat Probably best to contact Sound Devices support to work through the details. I don't have the Novation anymore to test things out here.
@@curtisjudd got it , thank you Curtis !
Curtis out of the four midi control surfaces that work with the mix pre, which is the most capable in your opinion?
Honestly, I've only used the Novation Launch Control XL so I'm not sure on the others.
I want to do audio narration and I am thinking of buying MixPre 3ii but I would need a remote to stop and start were I left off. Does the Wingman app let me do that? I am more used to that procedure than making clapping sounds for editing aferwards
Hi Sunna, yes, Wingman allows you to start and stop recordings from your iOS or Android device.
Need an update on this after the 5.01 update. We can now use more USB hub peripherals from the USB-A.
Yep, pretty nice update!
Hi, can I use the Icon platform M+ with the Sound devices Mixpre 10 II ?
Thanks
Not that I've heard, but may be best to confirm with Sound Devices support.
Whatever u manipulated on novation control surface fader
Does it affect on the individual track also not just in stereo mix ?
The potentiometer (knob at the top) controls the gain trim for that channel which affects the the individual track and the mix. The linear fader affects only the stereo mix.
@@curtisjudd great bro its helpful and ur videos are really imformative.
Hi Curtis, I have some “sd cart to slow” messages on my mixpre 6 on fw 3.02. It happens with pre roll enabled. Can you confirm it?
I haven’t had that issue with the Sandisk cards which are on the supported media list. Which card are you using and is it on the supported media list at SD?
Curtis Judd Audio I use sandisk as well. Same one as for my 633, supported.
@@w.g.5225 Strange. Best to get in touch with Sound Devices support to work through this. Best wishes!
Plz make a video about synopsis
Hi Harpret, Thanks for the request, but I am afraid I do not understand?
@@LearnLightAndSoundSessions film synopsis
The synopsis is in the description. 😉
Hmm i wonder will these devices work with SD 8-series of mixers?
No, I don't believe so.
Hallo this is ok with mixper 10ii
Yes.
Don't you miss an extra fader for master like on the Akai? Do you find master fader at all usefull on such control surfaces? What features on Novation you find so usefull that they warrant buying rather Novation than Akai?
Not generally an issue for my work so far as I’m not doing front of house/sound reinforcement with this setup.
@@LearnLightAndSoundSessions I have recently viewed SD tiptorial on this controller with 10 II. It looked like you can switch banks of channels for channels 5-8. Instead of them after switching the strips control channels 9-12. And here is the question. Channel 9/10 I understand - it's aux/mic in. But what is 11/12? Is it main mix? If so, can faders for channels 7/8 be used as master faders? On a wingman app it looks a bit different that on recorder display (that is how it was in the tiptorial). But having all the gear can you check, how it would work?
@@przybylskipawel Hi Pawel, could you please provide the link to the SD Tiptorial so I can have a look at it and answer your question. I think I need to see it to understand your question completely. Thanks.
@@curtisjudd czcams.com/video/sil-5TpPpLs/video.html
@@przybylskipawel Hi Pawel, I spent about a half hour looking at this today. The bank switching only applies to the 10T or 10II when using the musician's plugin. I believe that 11 & 12 are to control the master faders but not 100% sure on that as I don't have much experience using the musician's plugin and am out of time to dive deeper at the moment. Probably best to contact SD support for details. Sorry I couldn't help more but best wishes!