Mike Bickle allegations || Lou Engle + Brian Kim (a call to Repentance)
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- In this video, you will see what I believe is a sincere display of repentance from sexual sin from someone considered a great leader in the IHOP KC movement, Lou Engle. He displays humility, giving an unplanned speech, where he confesses before thousands of young people a problem he’s had with pornography. As you watch the video, you will see Mike Bickle praise this man as so instrumental to the prayer movement in the earth. And in this video, you will also hear Brian Kim (IHOP KC leader who brought his voice forward in the allegations) honored as a spiritual son to this leader.
Mike Bickle appears to downplay his repentance and to minimize its weight and severity. You can see him begin to walk around talking on stage when Lou is lifting an outcry to God for repentance. I am not here to judge Lou Engle, but rather point to his example. Mike Bickle expresses what appears to be a deep sense of respect and admiration for Lou Engle.
Therefore, I call on Mike Bickle, to follow the example of Lou Engle and Scripture in public repentance for the harm caused to the body of Christ in humbling of one’s self (in the public forum, as you have preached) or speaking to the allegations presented by these honorable brothers and sons in sincerity. In their midst. Mathew 18. Christ is clear. Nothing short of this is acceptable. "One thing have I asked..."
One Thing 2018 - Session 7 - Lou Engle, Allen Hood, Mike Bickle: • Onething 2018 - Session 7
I firmly believe that Lou Engle’s open repentance of sexual sin and calling for the “walls to come down” in this particular area of sin that this generation is struggling with was a prophetic declaration of how God is going to bring cleansing, healing and restoration from sexual sin. Sexual sin is so rampant today and I believe most everyone struggles with it in one way or another.
TOTAL RESPECT FOR LOU LIKE NEVER BEFORE
Not me. Super weird that he would be given such influence and authority with young people in the body without having already conquered this beginner area of transformation.
I get your point completely. Just blessed he is trying to confess !
Respect???
so sad that he was not allowed to just confess and be authentic without others deflecting and minimizing it. so awkward and telling
I agree. Who knows how the Lord could have moved if this was allowed to go deeper…..😢
This is an act
The fact most CANT see this is disturbing
It’s totally unbiblical
The are trying to create a Cover for Bickle
@@deirdrehelms5958 can you explain what you mean?
I have been struggling with pornography again in recent months after a few years of sobriety from it and it’s been destroying my marriage. After seeing this I am going to tell my wife about it. I need to confess and repent.
Our Heavenly Father is a sucker for a repentant and contrite heart. I see it again and again in the Bible. Apart from David, people of Ninevah (reason why Noah legged it; he knew God's heart) even King Ahab (!). I chuckled when I read it the other day when God said to Elijah (paraphrased): "Oi, mate! Have you seen Ahab, going around broken and dejected? Based on this, what I pronounced on him will not happen in his lifetime."
Shall we sin so grace shall abound? No! What I'm saying is that as long as you are willing to be open and repentant before God and seek the help you need, God will meet you there. He's got you, brother. I pray for your complete victory over this situation 🙏🙏
I love that you compare legally accessing legal pornography with the sexual assault of a pair of teenage girls. You christians are fucking awful.
There is some software you can get to deny access. Go to a professional counselor-- its an addiction. There is support -reach out
@@libbylib1819a sucker that's what he's not
Wow. I remember this too now.
Mike was totally minimizing Luo's repentance. That is disgusting. Mike is deflecting from worshiping God and pointing at and building up Lou the man. It's not about God to Mike. It's about the man ie himself. He's projecting how he sees himself on Lou.
Bickle is clearly uncomfortable with gut-wrenching, transparent repentance
You are good at judging.
@@sheilaboland6285 yes. The Bible tells us we are given our brains to study, judge in a godly manner. There’s nothing funny about what Engle is confessing to - he’s practically crying. Bickle’s response is weird to even the most deluded fan who also follows Christ.
@@sheilaboland6285 WHAT does “judge not” mean? Read the ENTIRE passage. All around it. Lest you fall prey.
I was there at 1 Thing and was like "why is he minimizing this."?
Same
Thanks for your video. At first, I broke down crying for the repenting guy then I wanted to throw up when Mike spoke. It is so obvious he is in a deep snare...stop talking mike!!! Let the man repent!.love coves a multiple of sins...let it play out.
Mike cannot let the man (Lou) talk, because there is literally another spirit inside of Mike that is attempting to usurp authority over that (Holy) Spirit who is speaking through Lou. It's spiritual warfare --- right there on stage. Mike is going to be "big time guilty" for underplaying this and leading God's people astray. Yes, that's exactly what he did. He was leading the whole audience astray by minimizing the severity of sin. And now he's in big trouble. Mike had his chance to come clean at that very time. But he chose to grieve God instead. Disgusting.
In my opinion, the response of Mike Bickle here is a clear indication that he was not at that time walking in holiness himself. Otherwise, he would not be minimizing such a thing. If watching a certain show on TV is a sin to a man, it is a sin and should not be minimized. If hitting a rock, rather than speaking to a rock, is a sin to a man, it should not be minimized because God takes it very seriously. For Mike Bickle to be minimizing this --- wow --- right here we have a smoking gun.
BICKLES MINISTRY AND OTHERS MORE IMPORTANT THAN TRUE REPENTANCE AND TRANSPARENT
KAREN HERE
I always wondered why Mike was making light of Lou's repentance. I could not understand for the life of me why he was doing that.
Definitely
Everyone should have been on their faces. It was a holy fear of God moment and MB cooridanated and downplayed it so subtly. Someone mentioned his smiling face the whole time OMG!!
I agree
I noticed that smirk on Mike B's face almost the entire time of Lou feeling convicted and repenting
Absolutely!!!! The whole audience should have been on their faces in repentance for their own sin.
This had the potential to break wide open the spirit of repentance for the church to come clean. But even in this... The man we have considered the Moses cuz he's the one who goes into deep prayer.... Was the one to stop the flow and pour cold water all over it. This had such potential and Mike alone completely stopped the flow of the spirit.
This is SOOOO GREVIOUS
Wow, that's super creepy! Holy Spirit was definitely moving and it definitely got quenched.😢
I'm glad other people were able to see and confirm this as well...thank you for sharing 🙏
@wordsoflife42 thank you for sharing this video. This really breaks my heart, but the TRUTH is what sets us free! Lies keep us in bondage. We are only as sick as our secrets! Praise YAH! For His gift of repentance of sin and His mercy and forgiveness! I wouldn't be alive today without Him!
You are definitely correct. There was a spirit moving there, but it had nothing to do with the word holy.
I was there when this happened. I was irritated with how Mike handled it and even talked to my husband about it afterward. We know Lou and Terese a little bit. They are both precious people.
This video helps you relive it. [1] the refocus to what he did for pro life, that is a dodge. Then [2] calling him Lou ster. So at 13:50 Lou refocused. Then soon Allen Hood had to get it back on course. Mike was de railing it AGAIN!
This is chilling, for several different reasons. What if he hadn’t been shut down? Could God have opened heaven at that moment? What opportunity was missed?
I agree with you. The Lord should have been ministering to Lou Engle. Mike Bickle was downplaying and backpedaling and this prevented The Lord using Lou Engle's confession to help others be healed and delivered.
Even King's David sin was public. Now Mike is being exposed!!!!! Loe did something spiritual that God will use in others lifes!
Such brokenness in confessing his sin, the very serious sin of adultery of heart! Notice that the Spirit of Christ did not allow Lou to minimize it. As with all true revival, which begins with such public confession of sin, this was to be the glorious answer by fire for their many years of prayer for revival. Praise the Lord who still answers prayer! Lord please help them all. Please help is all.
Amen, thank you for sharing this 🙏
@@wordsoflife42when did this meeting take place? I recall seeing 2018. If that is the date can you tell me why this is just being shown now.... Did I miss the first airing?
Tks
Never minimize someone when they are confessing their sins.
Mike Bickle disrupted this holy moment.😭 People clapping and applauding broke the holiness of this moment.
Praise God, for Allen Hood who was sensitive to what Holy Spirit was doing and was able to reign things back on track.
Yeah, I was thankful for Allen as well. I pray the Lord would open such doors of Repentance again, and bring even more increase to the Kingdom.
That public event is typical of how the present day Body of Christ acts, and its an abomination to God. No reverent fear of God, no Holy Spirit conviction, no knowledge of walking in the admonition of God. No wonder God is tearing down these false "churches" & organizations
Totally agree. I get so sick of audience clapping for everything because it PROVES THEY ARNT LISTENING nor do they have the depth to encounter a holy moment. Nor are they capable of entering the Holy of Holies.
It's disgraceful that we call ourselves the BODY OF CHRIST and yet we are completely incapable of a REAL and HOLY encounter.
I remember watching this, & I remember Mike saying that its extent was Lou watching inappropriate commercials. Mike, repentance from sin is messy, & you have caused a mess. …😢
I want to know why Misty Edwards is not speaking out. She lived on IHOP church property in a private apartment and is a long time staff member and worship leader. Where is she in all this?
She did respond
lam very sad, like all of us, concerning what is happening here at ihopkc. It has been a sorrowful week and my eyes are swollen with tears. I am not commenting on any of the women's allegations concerning Mike Bickle. However, I want to make it clear, I am not one of them. I have worked with Mike for 25 years and in my personal experience he has only been godly. I have been sent several social media posts speculating differently and I want to boldly say, those are lies and entirely based on suspicion. I have never been sexually or spiritually abused by Mike Bickle.
Misty Edwards
(That is copied from her page)
@@marionkiePS23 on her web page ?
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Brother Mike, in my humble opinion, like your sister in Christ, you need to sit and stay quiet and allow the HOLY SPIRIT who is moving Lou to confess. And in my humble opinion unless you are going to talk about you and your situation then you talk. I love you Brother Mike and im praying for you. God bless
This cuts deep. I have been to one thing and I hop numerous times. I haven't been a part of a group/church since 2011 because every time I get serious I get rejected. Why? I'm so done playing games. I'm so done with the pressure to bow down and worship doctrines of men. God only.
This gives me hope.
Me too 🙏
I don’t know who you are brother, but this might be the best video on this whole subject…. Should have a million pls million views… just wow…
PS… I was with Lou personally in Hawaii on 2018 too….
Lol that's awesome thanks bro. I usually don't do the social conversation thing but I felt compelled to speak up on this one. I feel like I remember Lou talking about being in Hawaii and breaking a fast with avocados...cool you got to be there with him 😄
thanku john ,,this is such a beautiful way to show love over someone who has repented as we all have our battles, you show mercy n compassion not ashing a leader who has fallen as many exposer do in slander and hate may the oler ones hear your heart which is Jesus heart,,God bless u n r generation ,,keep on sharing so the older hate gossp bashing exposers can see how Christ wants us to be,,,
No words to express! Fear of the Lord, humility and repentance. This is what we need. Jesus!!! 😭🙏🏼🔥🕊️
John-did the Holy Spirit bring these moments back to you as you’ve been processing and praying over all this?
You know, I had forgot about it, buried in the mind...but it has apparently helped minister to other people hearing it...so the Holy Spirit was likely working to bring it up🙏It was such a strong Holy Spirit moment of repentance etched in my mind from a leader...I think that's what the Spirit is looking for. Holiness, Repentance, Humility. Blessings and thanks for stopping by 🙏
Light comes and darkness tries to hide
On one hand, I appreciate What Mike is saying, because we all struggle with things, and nobody is holy to the point of perfection, and we can live in shame when we fight these struggles. Even Paul talks about the struggle of the flesh that he had. But on the other hand, his behavior, including talking, , obviously trying to control the direction, while Lou is being so vulnerable and broken is Borderline mental. Mike, potentially squelched a revival of brokenness right in this very moment. They should've all just stayed silent and let Lou get it off his chest and cry, and then surrounded him with love. My wife and I are very troubled over this video. Mike's platform Minstry and What went out over the airways was more important to him than being there with Lou in that moment. I would like to see Mike publicly apologize for this along with whatever else he needs to confess.
Mike is a con man
Mike Bickle is not fit to minister to anyone based on what I saw and heard him in this video. I don’t even believe he’s a SpiritFilled Christian ,you’ll know them by their Fruits.
Honestly there is NOTHING to appreciate about what Mike did. He totally stopped the flow of the spirit. He PREVENTED a man from repenting and receiving forgiveness and he prevented the entire church from getting into that same spirit of repentance. And THATS WHAT REVIVAL IS!!!!! So they have been believing for revival for decades and yet at the opportunity for it to begin... The leader of that group STOPPED it.
It's just so INCREDIBLY DISAPPOINTING!!!!
IM ACTUALLY ANGRY.
Mr bickle is very nervous. And distracting from Lou’s opportunity to repent.
Mike Bickle, how many times did I hear you say, “To the people without mixture, He’ll give the Spirit without measure.” Lou is TORMENTED by his sin! Mike, stop enabling him!
Rather, join him in repentance...thanks for sharing 🙏
Mikes a punk
It's as if Mike was of afraid Lou's confession. He totally ripped the power out of the moment, for Lou and who knows how many. It was the opposite of helping, in fact I dare say this was a 'get behind me Satan' moment on display. Mike should have kept his mouth shut and let GOD lead. Arrogance or fear of his own sin, I don't know which. I also would be curious when this was.
It's from "Ihop KC - 2018 One Thing - session 7" the yearly One Thing conference. It should be on the Ihop official CZcams channel. I remember feeling something in my gut back then and it came to my mind with the recent news. Thanks for watching and sharing 🙏
You speak truth. 100%
@@wordsoflife42 - It's good to check in with our "gut" and learn from our hits and misses. Beware of Hindsight Bias! ;-) Discernment is a long process, and as with everything in life, be humble. Self included in my encouragement and advice to you. After many years of experience, including with the NAR, it just seems that we humans ( Christian and otherwise ) are great at shielding our blindspots, errors, sins, while putting on a good look. Everyone has their own style of doing it. From the bold narcissist to the gentle, soft-spoken...narcissist. We all are potential stone-throwers at symbolic adulterers, being especially good at it when it comes to sexual ethics / morals. American church culture is good at it, IMO. Please understand that I in no way seek to diminish the pain/trauma/harm brought to light recently. In fact, what might be on the level of abomination is saving face / an institution's reputation OVER tending to victims of spiritual abuse. ( I gotta watch it here, lest I be throwing stones real quick in Mob Justice. This hits close to home, and what also challenges me is Jesus' admonition to not be hypocrites. Grace, Wisdom, Love to us all. )
Thank you for taking time to put this together! I was there when all of this happened… In the room… And I saw it very differently back then, but now, through this new series of events, it’s really quite heartbreaking
I cannot believe the way Mike got up there and downplayed this unusually authentic display of repentance… And he even said that he did not want the 30+ years of ministry to be jeopardized… What about the next 30 years of ministry? Ingle himself said that he believed God was convicting him we do not have authority in America, because, we are in submission to the same sin that the people we are praying for pursue. I’m very sad to see that this is how this beautiful moment was handled… Especially for Lou Ingle. That took a lot of guts to put his reputation and ministry before the altar of God, declaring that God and righteousness was more important than even that.
Amen...thanks for watching and sharing🙏
Yeah it was probably a bit different than for me watching from the livestream perspective. My wife jokes (she worked with the elderly) it was like he was busting out of the place, I guess how some of the people she worked with would do ("I didn't want to go to those things before hand, what do you call them? The discernment meetings!") I always loved and respected Lou and so his repentance really stuck with me. I hope to hear him speak to this with Mike & IHOP at some point. The emails were disheartening. @@quirkyCourtney
@@quirkyCourtney I believe Mike was coming under conviction with Lou's true repentance and wanted to minimize it to quench the conviction. True repentance has a way of reaching out to others that are under sin.
Mike was obviously grieving the Holy Spirit,those demons in him didn’t like what he saw in Lou as he was humbling himself under the mighty hand of Holy Spirit,God is clearly exposing them all.
Who knows? We really can't see the heart... but I do think it's apparent that a beautiful thing was cut short here. I was there and didn't even notice. I remember that being a very powerful night in my own life. Now, I feel like I see it (and many other messages) with a whole new perspective! @@michaels7499
Wow I have never seen this. Mike Bikle turned the whole thing to another direction. How awful. Gave him up completely. Completely!!!! Look at Allen Hoods face the whole time. He’s not happy. Mike is having fun at this time? He is trying to divert him to not do this bc of all he does- that now we know. Crazy.
Not only is Mike Bickle quenching the Spirit but he is smiling the whole time. What’s that about. Look at everyone else with somber face.
I saw the part where Lou and Allen Hood are crying out to God around the 22 minute mark, and you can see Mike going around behind the scenes creating his "game-plan" for how to orchestrate things it looks like with the other guys. It's like dude...you should have been still...yielding to the Spirit...face down, hands held high, or kneeling in honor of a father in the faith becoming so vulnerable before so many sons and daughters 🧎♂
wow Lou is so genuine
I agree with your assessment, and I think it’s telling and wrong how they are emphasizing his gifting, talent, impact, and talent when the moment is about holiness, repentance, and absolute/objective behaviour.
I can understand the desire to support, encourage, and remind him in a moment of feeling utterly useless and hopeless that he is not limited to this sin. But it doesn’t excuse it.
Can never 100% trust anyone, especially you don’t know personally. But I really identify with and appreciate Lou’s apparent sincerity, humility, and desire for righteousness. I can’t help but think this kind of unreasonable openness, transparency and anti-religious behaviour is the only answer against the kind of perversion Bickle has hidden for decades.
Especially when he tells the crowd to stop clapping, and especially when he calls himself out mid-sentence, “I don’t want to just call it a struggle. I don’t want to give one ounce of credibility to this sin.” Great inspiration. Hope he can heal and grow and become more and more a real sincere MAN of god.
When the truth comes out will you post it,?
Is Lou Engle speaking out on the current Mike Bickel situation? I have not seen his name anywhere?
I think Lou just spoke at House Denver on November 19th. I haven't finished listening to the message yet, but it's on CZcams. I recommend listening around the 23 minute mark where he mentions about Brian Kim, one of the leaders who brought forth the allegations. Well, the message itself is awesome but...that's the only part I found related at all so far 🤷♂ I can see why he wouldn't bring that up to a different body of believers, but no, I also haven't see him directly speak to it yet anywhere.
I’ve been wondering about this since 2018 when it happened? Thanks for posting this again. It’s now clear what was going on. Mike was covering up for his own sin while minimizing Lou’s
Allen I LOVE YOU❤
God is exposing right here!!!
Wow, if that hadn't been minimized, it could have had such a bigger impact. It could have been the start of a revival.
When did this happen btw?
Yep, that's what I thought when I saw it.
Yeah, I remember feeling something in my gut back then. It's from "Ihop KC - 2018 One Thing - session 7" One Thing conference. It should be on the Ihop official channel. It was such a big deal to me then seeing the weight of what Lou was seeking to share. Thanks for watching and sharing 🙏
If MB "let's this go" biggest fear is "i am could be next" - the thing with deceptive secret sexual sin is covering up the stench from the hidden compartmentalized "basement" and lack sexual integrity, so that the deception can continue. It is a sign of mature predator behavior..research Omar Manwalia's work in this area..not a Christian bit ground breaking work called "the secret sexual basement"- it will put lots of pieces together of what Jesus is exposing in His Church. May we walk worthy
Lou was wanting to come clean and Mike was wanting to hide the dirt. He was so afraid of being exposed. God has been trying to help, but Mike refuses every time. I think Mike is a narcissist.
Lots of Christian’s have a problem with porno! I had in the past as a woman. It’s just not a sin for men. God is merciful. Just after I sinned two years ago again I was at a women’s conference at IHOPKC and had felt Gods presence around me several times and in line for lunch and this lady in front of me turned around and told me God told her I had a pure heart!
Thank you for sharing 🙏"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God" (Mathew 5:8).
I appreciate you sharing this video clip of a real raw and authentic moment. However, what I hear from Mike in this moment are the words of one trying to protect his friend from over exposure in a public forum that leaves Lou vulnerable to misunderstanding. Mike seems to be differentiating between a person who dabbles in sin and feels really awful about it, repents and tries to resist when tempted and a person that doesn’t try to resist sin, gives in and feels no real remorse and doesn’t confess or repent. Lou is a God fearing man so when he slips up it tears him up inside - and Mike knows this and so seeks to protect Lou from going overboard. Whether or not he needed to, I don’t know, but I do not see this as Mike taking over out of wrong motives. As for the smiling - just looks like an expression of embarrassment for his friend, which we are all likely to do when someone is so transparent.
Hi, I loved reading your response and appreciate you sharing your thoughts here so sincerely. It’s part of why I left the whole video, as I wanted people to see for themselves in truth. Did you get a chance to watch the whole video at the end? I think the contrast between Allen Hood’s response and Mike Bickle’s was also telling, as they’ve both been friends of Lou. Allen seemed to understand it was a holy moment. It's likely Lou Engle or Allen Hood would have wrote it off back then as something more “good-intentioned”…as you pointed out. It’s certainly how Mike framed it, anyways.
However, even if we accept Mike had the best of motives here (as I can understand why you or someone else would come to that conclusion)…I still think the end result of quenching the move of the Spirit and downplaying the weight of repentance would be...not good.
If you start at about 21:50 in the video for a couple of minutes or so…where Lou is crying out to God, it’s clear as you said, a raw and vulnerable moment, where the whole rooms seems to be groaning and lifting itself up in prayer…Mike however seems very out of touch with what the Spirit is doing and is trying to orchestrate behind scenes instead, pulling the ear of the other guys. This happens right after Lou starts sobbing over his son Judah as well (not sure what time stamp that is) but it's like Mike's heart didn't even flinch, and he stays in orchestration mode. I had a best friend who lost a child named Judah and struggled with the issue Lou's talking of...and if he were weeping and becoming vulnerable before others, it's time for me to get low. To be on my knees...to be praying for him...weeping with him. It would not be good of me to downplay his repentance out of concern for the perception of others.
Maybe it's just me, a kid in the outfield, but I think Lou Engle is a grown man and leader who listens for himself to God and can speak for himself. Mike should have yielded to his weight and sincerity in God. I don’t think Lou needed a friend at that hour to downplay his confession and sincerity to be more about “weeping at bad commercials”...you know? It just felt off to me, even then. Even if he only had the "best intentions" to cover Lou (and not himself via the association of ministry and it being the final One Thing conference)...Perhaps there were people, as Lou said, that struggled with deep shame in the audience and didn't need to hear "Oh Lou - he's just being extreme and exaggerating himself here when he sees bad commercials cause he's so sensitive and holy, he doesn't really struggle with that thing that has bound you guys out there!" Even good intentions toward your friend but not Jesus, not the Spirit...can potentially have bad or detrimental effects...right?
All that said, thanks for getting me thinking about it from a different angle. Like I said, it certainly came to mind in light of recent news, but I don't have the definitive answer on what to think or anything. Anyways, thanks so much for sharing your thoughts so respectfully. Stay tuned for future episodes on the Charismatic world and past moments I've been meaning to speak to. Blessings🙏
The reaction of Mrs Bicle😮😢😢😢😢
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You have to be ruthless with sin. If only Mike lacked the tolerance for sin as Lou has
Does this channel belong to the young man with long hair that spoke during the 1st 20 min?
I want to say you are a wise and impressive young man. You saw what was happening here on stage and you called it out.
I agree with other comments here saying Mike was very dismissive and belittling of what Lou was saying.
The man stood there and said he was scared to death and yet he is still gonna say it.
And Mike didn't let him repent nor did he accept his repentance and forgive him.
Here in 2023 we all know why ... CuZ you are gonna minimize a sin that you are doing exceedingly abundantly more than what was being confessed.
Lou also came to mike for a hug and support and mike blew him off so he could say he isnt gonna let lou exaggerate.
The conviction we feel over our Sin has no measure by someone else but if WE ARE CONVICTED then it is sin!!!
I am so devastated over Mike's response here ... Actually im ashamed of him. Someone i really did look up to.
Lou used tremendous courage here.... The least the other men could do was complete the transaction of forgiveness.
This is appalling.
Thank you young man for sharing this. If it was actually from 2018 then im shocked ive not heard anything of it before now.... Following Mike's permanent firing from IHOP
Looks like Mike is trying to shut down the whole time. Diane is into it so is Allen YES LORD BRING REPENTANCE SAY THE WORD CHURCH "SIN" if we dont say it and call it out and CONFESS IT , we are in danger !
My goodness. Christians need to do their own shadow work!
Yeah for sure, this comment reminds me of the song on CZcams "Ninja Archer" by Luke Cyrus. It always made me laugh but in a way its needed 😅
Amazing, the wife is still alive....
As soon as Mike says "I'm not going to let you exaggerate it either" you can see in Lou's body language that was not the truth. Mike really minimized what was happening and quenches the spirit. He was feeling uncomfortable with true confession.
How do I find the original video? It's not in the description
Whoops, I went ahead and added that for you. Thanks for the reminder 🙏
Much respect for Lou Engle❤❤
Mike is deflect deflect deflect
IHOP has always been wayward and not of the Lord as least as far back as the early 2000s. The Lord Jesus said He is allowing the wheat and tares to grow together, and His sheep know His voice. He said many claiming Him will hear Him say "depart".
That being said, expect most to need the Gospel, rather than assume because they claim the Lord Yeshua they must know Him and be of Him. That is a grave mistake that has us where we are today. (Matthew 5, 7 & 10 & John 14-15)
Yeah, well I mean, it's not even that they just claim to know Him now days. They've read the Bible as much as many of the lambs of the Lord, and so they have immersed themselves in our language. Like, the Biblical language. They speak about "hearing from the Lord" and make it seem to line up with what the Scriptures say. Thanks for sharing...I pray for stronger discernment 🙏
@@wordsoflife42I Agree to all you said. And yes, we do need stronger discernment now more than ever! ❤
Ihopkc leaders exonerated Mike Bickle
Please add a video update on this
I will try soon...I have some thoughts, but they can be hard to translate to others. I usually don't do the social conversation thing😶🌫I just specifically felt led to speak up on this issue. Thanks for watching 🙏I know Wake Up and Win podcast and Brother John Elving on CZcams have been doing regular updates, if you want to check them out as well.
😢😢😢 oh my God have mercy😢😢😢😢
Hey bubba i was there at this meeting and i didnt percieve what you are saying. I percieved Mikes pastorial heart come out to protect lou from slander.. which is exactly what happened after lou made his confession.. i mean the videos of lous accusers are still up right here on y.t.
Right on, thanks for sharing your perspective bro. While I have never considered Mike a pastor, I respect that you and others have. I don't think diminishing Lou's testimony about his struggle with darkness to "weeping at bad commercials on tv" is very pastoral though. Our job isn't to nanny the accuser or who makes what videos🤷♂
Speaking of videos though, I recommend watching the video I did about "Why It Matters" and you read the emails Mike stands by. In love and respect man, I don't think that's someone you want to follow as "pastor." Blessings 🙏
Or maybe you were one of the trees that couldn’t see the forest. I mean no disrespect by saying this, but I’ve been in the situation in church, and with leadership.
@@wordsoflife42 Hi.. I've been to heaven. I KNOW what matters.
I THINK,. those words your thumbs are typing.. if you really knew what they really ment.. well.. I THINK.. you'd probably want to chop em off. Muchless what likely slips off your tounge.
Respectfully,. In love.
We will be measured by what measure we extend to others. And.. I think.. that if you were to do what Paul tells us not to do.. " ..compare ourselves, among Ourselves.." and " I dont even judge myself" well if you did those "few things" instead of the other "one thing" well imagine by what measure you may be measured by. How might your walk "add up" comparably?
FURTHERMORE.. can you "imagine" Gabrial and Micheal standing there doing angel stuff then they witness Lucifer and a third of the angels in agreement say in their spirit "I will ascend the throne!" an in that moment cast down from heaven like lightning 🌩 and Gabriel nor Michael, buds, were like, "well those jackals really messed up!" They weren't like, "wow would you just look our brethren who tottaly missed it! No! They stood there in astonishment not saying a word because they KNEW that it could just as easily be them. Do you get it? The Father can use ANY broken vessel for His kingdom purposes HOWEVER he sees fit!
If He decides for mike to have a thorn or whatever(!) than it's for a reason and I wouldn't recommend being the guy thinking you cam see well enough to pick at someone else's thorn!
Comprehendo?? Yahshu is King!
Oh no
I really do appreciate that this man is willing to stand up in front of the congregation and repent of his sin. However, all the other tributary is that he’s going into that his son other things just makes it all very confusing. And then you have the guy rubbing his leg in my pickle trying to block the whole thing soften the blow of the effective with the man is trying to say, appears to be clear to me.
This is Mike vehicle covering for a man trying to message CES. He’s trying to say it’s a lot worse than people think he’s trying to ask repair. Don’t know if it’s got ulterior motive or not, but Mike vehicle is covering up her seat on right now on this video.
Why is Bickle making it about himself. I wish he would just be silent and let the man repent in sincerity.
I’m not going to speak into what I do not have sufficient truth to judge ,neither do even want to stand in judgement., but we must pray for justice love and mercy.so many need to drop their stones that carry the same imprinted spirit as when Mary was brought before Jesus. Brokenness and a contrite heart is what the spirit of god desires.drop your stones,search your own heart,grieve for ugliness in our church world today.2nd cron.7:14 would be our worthy investment for these desperate times. Thru repentance from the presence of the lord may god be pleased to send times of refreshing.(acts 3:19-21….
If you are a follower of Christ “…it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning” (1 Corinthians 5:12) and Christ commanded us to “judge with righteous judgment” (John 7:24). He is the one who gave us the model in Mathew 18 that was followed by faithful brothers in the ministry. They didn’t carry stones, they followed the word of truth given by Christ. Mike is not Mary either, and he has shown no signs of brokenness or contriteness. And such manipulation of Scripture and the white washing of sin for the love of man is the “ugliness in our church world today.” I have chosen to follow the Jesus who turns over tables. I know He is offensive…but I encourage you to seek Him out for yourself. Blessings 🙏
Well then, read the novel "Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - Burke." Explains much. Is this the novel seminaries should have had students read before they become pastors? Perhaps.
Thank you for the video. I do think the response of other men were more powerful and uplifting, but it doesn't seem that super clear to me that Mike is intentionally minimizing Lou's repentance.. It seemed to me Mike wanted to honor and recognize Lou's deep commitment for purity. As a way of encouragement. I'm not so sure this is such clear evidence that Mike was living in hidden sin at this time.
Right on, thanks for sharing 🙏
Yeah, I didn't intend to convey it was evidence Mike was living in hidden sin at the time. I was calling Mike to the example of Lou Engle in public repentance before the body of Christ for the sexual sin he was presently found to be hiding. As far as the minimization, Lou was confessing to partaking in the darkness of pornography. When Mike got the mic, he insinuated Lou Engle conflates not turning away when seeing bad commercials as "the same thing" as partaking in pornography stating "it's not exactly the same thing." Sorry I don't remember the time stamp, it's been a while since I posted this. Appreciate your thoughts though, and yeah, the main goal was to call Mike Bickle to a model of public repentance from sexual sin in an example from a leader he respected. Congrats on your little one, btw. Blessings to you and your family 🙏
@@wordsoflife42 thank you. I see. Yes that makes a lot of sense. Lou's humble public repentance was so powerful. Oh thank you for your congratulations! He is our first. Now we have three! :) Blessings to you also.
Bickle downplayed Engle so he could perhaps get the same "treatment." They are both members of the Wolves In Sheep's Clothing Club.
You think so? I believe that's a real club, so to speak...but how do you think we should define that club?
Tactics.... Help Mike Lord.
How about not exhalting a mere person.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts 🙏
It looks like God is breaking the false exaltation of men within the church, happening with pastors every Sunday across America. I'm grateful for the men who are willing to shatter their own images...
"I have always struggled with people creating a myth...without knowing the man" -Lou Engle
MB according to reports had a history on cover up inmorality in leaders, his own son, his own sin, so its not surprissing him calling this an exaggeration from the speaker, this is sad
I’m cant watch all this… it’s too upsetting. Bickle is a false teacher. I cannot stand the deception….this makes me sick. I am in tears. Thank you for being honest, young man. I’m sorry for all who were misled and hurt in many ways by Bickle’s ministry. Bickle is very uncomfortable because Engle is being honest….Bickle is not honest. Get away from everything this guy taught. Reevaluate everything you learned there. God is for you. We are the temple…leave this movement behind. Continue seeking Jesus and His Word. The Holy Spirit bears witness to Jesus, The Truth. Stay with God and His Word. Pray for Him to lead you. He will. Ps 25:4-5 4
Show me your ways, Lord,
teach me your paths.
5 Guide me in your truth and teach me,
for you are God my Savior,
and my hope is in you all day long. ❤
It seemed like maybe Mike wasn’t aware that Lou was going to do that and he was trying to ease Lou a bit, yet at the same time he was also… like robbing Lou of being able to repent. At least from what it looks like. But then again I don’t think Lou would actually need to speak such a thing to an entire congregation? Let alone live to a whole watching world. That is completely absurd to publicly confess like that. I see perhaps that Mike is going “whoa, buddy”… there is no place anywhere in scripture that we are commanded to publicly confess certain sins to a whole world.
When I was young I got into looking at things I shouldn’t. My dad prayed with me and- all praise to God- I have been free ever since. It’s good to be free and walk in freedom and experience freedom. I didn’t need to confess to anyone really. At the end of the day we stand (or kneel) before our Father God, who is quick to love and slow to anger. He is gracious and abounding in mercy. He is the one who breaks chains. I’m glad Lou repented and I do believe God can break the power of sexual sin… we are going to have to cooperate with that. There is no way that a believer is bound to sin. There is no way that a believer is merely pushing back and fighting back against sin. You just don’t do it. You walk (or run) away from it. The very Spirit of God is alive and living IN YOU who believes.
Thank you for sharing your heart brother and I can see your point 🙏
I understand the average person is not called to a mass crowd to publicly repent for their sins. To be fair, the average person also doesn't preach to those mass crowds a message of the "Bridegroom God" and therefore become held to a higher standard of judgment, Scripturally (James 3:1). I have a bit of a different take from you Scripturally. I believe the process of Mathew 18 was followed by honorable brothers in the ministry and that Mike rebuffed those attempts, using intimidation tactics instead. I think that this is why it was made public in his case before leadership and the church as a whole, when he refused to speak to the grievance, as Christ commanded it to be made public and brought before the church in such cases (Mathew 18). I'm with you though "He is the one who breaks chains" I just think in these kind of cases, that may be part of His process.
Are you kidding me? In Luke 19:4, Zacchaeus repented, & it made in the Canon (the Bible) for the whole world to read. What Lou did was right because he’s a public figure. We minimize sin, & we don’t have a fear of The Lord … but it’s coming back to the Church & the kingdom of God. God will not be mocked.
There is a real Gospel. It begins with humility and repentance, but its fruit is FREEDOM. Lou Engle and Mike Bickle represent 2 sides of a false coin. Either you are in your 50's confessing sin on a stage to perfect strangers (weird and unbiblical) because no one ever discipled you in the transformational power of the Gospel (not to mention you have already been disqualified by Ephesians 5:1-17 and 1 Timothy 3). Or you are pretending and manipulating while hiding your sin, a la Jude and 2 Peter 2 - Mike Bickle. Admittedly the Bickle side of the coin is worse but I am strongly against Lou's behavior and the place of honor he has been given in these false movements.
Why doesn't anyone in these movements know about the true Gospel that SAVES and DELIVERS! Its all there in Romans 1-8.
Is there any relation to Travis Bickle?
Lol nah...do I look like him?
@@wordsoflife42 Are you talking to me?
Yeah I didn't understand your comment about 'Travis Bickle' @@pontifixmax
I can't get my head around why so many people feel it's their right to jump onto their phones and record their opinions on another person, in sin or not in sin. I'm so sick of seeing nobody's give their opinions. Just back off and let the leadership do what they are doing and stop the witch hunts.
Lol. Why are you exerting your opinion and your "so sick of it" attitude onto other people? Isn't your point to keep your opinion to yourself, as you exert yours about the situation? This guy gave a calm, respectful, and Biblically based call to Repentance. Something few leaders can seem to do these days = 🥳in my book.
Ok ok ok
Hello, I am a millennial, in my home studio, watching CZcams videos
I grew up on Legos, Lunchables, and Eggos
Not to brag, but participation trophies,
yeah I got those
That was years ago, 3 past 2 oh
BA degree yo, still feel like a niño
Mama called me kiddo when I was eating Cheerios
I still eat cereal, but I am an adult, here's the dealio
I grew up but what's up with all the responsibility?
Growing up is hard enough without your guilt trips
We don't gotta be the same as you to get it
😢😢, why can't we just allow God to do the work, and Pray for this man. Public confessions are really not necessary, in my opinion, and can cause more damage than good. 😮😮😮 I just don't understand church people at all. Seemingly church folk get their kicks, out of other church folk struggling, or struggles. 😢 just sad.
In the case of Mike Bickle, we are not talking about a "struggle" but abuse of the pastoral role within the Church (causing harm) and according to Scripture, it's to be publicly judged (1 Corinthians 5; Mathew 18). Followers of Christ are obedient to His words. As far as Lou Engle, that was his personal decision to come clear about what he felt was a hypocrisy. He did so in the hope of liberating others who were likewise bound in this sin-sick culture.
Why is the guy on the left of Lou Engle rubbing his leg constantly??!!! Very weird and not of God!
Lol I was scratching my head when I saw that like, what is he doing?? Glad someone else could see this!
@@wordsoflife42 I noticed a LOT of very revealing Body Language in everyone on that stage , it was very obvious that it was a train wreck and not honoring of a man ( Lou Engle) who was in a holy and contrite unction of repentance that was sabotaged by Mike Bickle who kept interrupting Lou and inserting his warped false theological rhetoric. Thank God I never felt led of God to listen to his speeches or read his books.
It literally makes me want to throw up every time Mike starts talking.
But can we just talk about how completely awkward it is that guy caressing Lou’s leg?! Gross!
I see that Mike is very nervous here…. Was this the beginning of a public repentance for this group of people?
Mike needs deliverance asap!
I’m
Until you mentioned this I had never heard it. I stand with Mike bickle. God is different from you.
Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts🙏
What a freak show/fools paradise
First of all this should NOT of been confessed publicly! It was NOT holy it was disgusting. You do not have to confess in front of the young adults. It is a foul spirit and you don’t spew it out. You are NOT a man of God if you are immoral! Your wicked and in need to repent
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this 🙏
While I don’t believe sin is holy, I do believe laying down one’s reputation and humbling of one’s self in repentance before others…is a holy act. That’s likely what Allen was referring to. As far as spewing out on young adults, uhhh…one study found 91% of men used porn in the past month. Others show at minimum 1 in 4. In other words, there’s a serious problem with immorality spewing out among all adults in this area. Lou’s repentance was an invitation for others to repent as well.
What a bunch of blasphemers!
Quit teaching and repent
Kristi- you continue to judge based on allegations.
Dope head bullshit
I hear ya buddy
This is all ridicules and certainly not what confessing our sins to one another is about. The church needs to stop this foolishness.
None of us is righteous alone.
But we have been made the righteousness of god.
This is not a public display of humility. This is a total public display of silliness and it’s time for us to move away from this and into true humility that speaks of Jesus.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts 🙏
You said "it's time for us to move...into true humility that speaks of Jesus"...could you speak to that some, clarifying what you see that looks like to you? I am in agreement that it's "time for us coming into true humility that speaks of Jesus"...just wondering if you could flesh those thoughts out a little more. I personally find a leader confessing his sins in vulnerability to be an act of humility, but I am open to your thoughts.
Engel is such a goon!
I'm sorry, I don't know an Engel 🤨
Be careful of how you judge people. Please read the Bible because unless you're 100 percent sinless and in perfect standing with Jesus, you might have unrepentant sins in your life. Are you born again and walking personally with Jesus? Are you praying and reading the Bible daily? Are you forgiving others for their sins and praying for their souls to be delivered and healed by God? The Bible says that the same mercy we show others will be the same level of mercy God shows us on judgement day. Please ask Jesus to reveal Himself to you. We all need salvation for our sins and He died for all of us. Satan wants you to go to Hell forever. Jesus Christ loves you.❤
Jesus commands us to "judge fairly and righteously" (John 7:24). In fact, in the "Bible" the Apostle Paul states quite clearly "it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning" (1 Corinthians 5:12). @@l.j.1163
I agree with Mike bickle. Many will be surprised when we stand before Jesus. You are not like Jesus at all. The day will come when we all will see.
Cool, thanks for sharing 😉
Hey John ... Stop smoking Pot :-I It's not helping ...
Lol, while I don't smoke pot, I do vote this the best reply yet 😂 blessings brother🙏
He is not on pot..
@@abhirai6124 Who are you ? .. His dad ?..