Proves 'Necessity is The Mother of Invention' . That is never going to leak and only the fish will see the repair. Nicely done! I have a Mad River canoe made of the same stuff, nice to know it can be repaired.
Just what I needed to see. Gonna get a good deal now on a Scanoe because of this! Way to go. Looks like the plastic became part of the parent material. Btw,,, loved your test!! I like a Fiesty dog and woman!
Thanks for posting. Have some outer layer damage on our 158 discovery, battle wounds in pursuit of speckle trout! Lol. Will try this out this winter . Thank you for sharing!
While very creative and it works….save yourself time and get West Marine G85. Rough up with 100 grit then flash heat with torch (this removes the poly sheen allowing the epoxy to adhere). I’ve repaired a 6” S crack on my Hobie and completely repaired a damage bow on Old Town Discovery 15 sport.
Hello Riverat74, thans for your feedback. i dont know if the medium show in the video would be good for scratches, it worked and its holding very good to repair the missing outer skin (worn out) of the canoe
here in California unfortunately they have gotten rid of most plastic bags all that is left are the ones for vegetables it seems they are #2 HDPE bags. Nice to no these will work for the outer seal I my crack are are surface so going to use "Methacrylate Adhesive Epoxy" to repair and finish it using my heat gun to melt plastic bags on top as another layer. GREAT VIDEO.
this works great for linear polyethylene, but if its crosslinked polyethylene it wont work. OLD TOWN made canoes with both materials, its whatever the supplier sold them so theres not one date where they switched. but newer the boat the greater the chance its linear polyethylene.
We tried your repair system on our Old Town Discos - It worked for a while and then chipped off right back to the old hole. Everything we've tried eventually falls out again. Good ideas though. Thanks.@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox
This is great, thanks! I just picked up an old Old Town Discovery that needs some TLC and I will be having a go at fixing it. How did this repair hold up?
After a full season on the water, it is still holding up and prevented the damaged area to get worse. Although the patch is somewhat porous, so not really waterproof
When I sold the canoe several years ago, the patch was still holding on but the plastic layers starting from the top detached from each other. So not waterproof, but it definetely slow down the wear and tear on that spot
I have some large cracks on the inside of my Old Town Discovery canoe. The PO tried to use fiberglass and it pulled right off. I'n not too concerned about it, it doesn't leak and you cant tell from the outside that it is damaged but I am wondering if this repair should work for the inside layer as well? Thanks!
Hi The specs of the canoe indicate that it is built with 3 layers polyethylene, just look what other products used polyethylene: grocery bags www.oldtowncanoe.com/canoes/recreation/discovery_169/
Old Town Canoes Discovery is built with Extremely durable three layer polyethylene, so yes HDPE could work, I choose LDPE for its very tough, weatherproof, low water absorption properties
Joe Baker thank you. My old town discovery is getting hairline cracks on the outer shell only so I have been trying plastic welding, but the cracks came back. However, we took on the Main Southwest in early may and the only water that came in was over the top.
I just bought and Old Town canoe today for $100. It has a repair that was done to it, but there is a hairline crack on the underside. I am going to try this repair tip. Thanks for sharing.
The repair patch is still filling the gap in the canoe hull but the water works is way between the plastic layers over time and the layers slowly detach itself and feel kind of spongy
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox thanks ive got a crack all the way through that i am going to attempt a hybrid approach, i will be pulling materal away from the crack on the outside, putting a fiberglass patch in then returning the skin material to the area
@@lifeisgood12341 - whatever you do is still going to involve some work, but seeing as though you're just doing a crack (presumably, not a giant repair), you won't need much of whatever you choose to use, so cost isn't really an issue. I'd play it safe and use something you KNOW is going to bond and look decent in the end, after some light sanding... Consider using a two-part marine epoxy or whatever is recommended for the material that you're working with. You'll probably get away with picking up a single "dual tube" application at Fleet Farm, Wal-Mart, etc for far less than 10 bucks, and at least you won't be relying on bonding the canoe to some other plastic via a questionable heat bond. The only way this bag method would be strong is to actually heat the canoe to the "flow point" where the materials mix together, and that could end up disastrous (if even possible ). Otherwise you'll have delamination, as Sticks, Stones, and Iron pointed out. JB Weld, 3M and even GOOP have a lot of different things that would work for about 5 bucks at your local big box stores and there are more industrial options like the "G-Flex" two-part epoxy that you'd simply squirt out, mix, apply, and sand smooth for a bulletproof finish I used this guy's method (heating black zip-ties) to "weld" a smashed lawn tractor grill, and it turned out absolutely flawless after some fill and finish, but the grill sees no stress. Your canoe... Well that's a lot more flex and stress. Trying something outside the box is always fun... But digging it out and redoing the whole thing a second time after it fails... NOT so fun. Especially if you plan to go the extra mile and make it look pretty with a little topcoat. Good luck.
Great up-cycling. Great work...I especially love your stress testing setup! Thanks for sharing.
Proves 'Necessity is The Mother of Invention' . That is never going to leak and only the fish will see the repair. Nicely done! I have a Mad River canoe made of the same stuff, nice to know it can be repaired.
Thanks for the feedback, the repair slows down the wear and tear but its not waterproof
Just what I needed to see. Gonna get a good deal now on a Scanoe because of this!
Way to go. Looks like the plastic became part of the parent material.
Btw,,, loved your test!! I like a Fiesty dog and woman!
Thanks for posting. Have some outer layer damage on our 158 discovery, battle wounds in pursuit of speckle trout! Lol. Will try this out this winter . Thank you for sharing!
Thanks...Good luck with your project
This is why youtube is freakin awesome
Thanks for the feedback
No kidding!
My 90 year old Dad is stil wondering why people share..
*INGENIOUS..! Now that’s what I call recycling..! You’ll never run out of spare parts..!* 😆🤣😂 Happy travels..! :PEACE:🕊❤️😎
Thank you for your kind feedback
Good idea.. The issue now is it is pretty tough to find plastic grocery bags ..
Legos or plastic bags in acetone makes a paste to do the same thing...nice job...I would definately get the kevlar skid plates to put over it
Good to know, thanks for the tip
Aren't Legos made out of ABS?
While very creative and it works….save yourself time and get West Marine G85. Rough up with 100 grit then flash heat with torch (this removes the poly sheen allowing the epoxy to adhere).
I’ve repaired a 6” S crack on my Hobie and completely repaired a damage bow on Old Town Discovery 15 sport.
Good to know, thank you for the tips
thanks for sharing I have a Saranac 146 and haven't had it very long and I've already noticed some deep scratches the plastic seems very soft.
Hello Riverat74, thans for your feedback. i dont know if the medium show in the video would be good for scratches, it worked and its holding very good to repair the missing outer skin (worn out) of the canoe
+Sticks, Stones and iron right on buddy... I just meant eventually it will come to this I would imagine. thanks for your response.
This is amazing
Very good idea. I have a boat made of LDPE. It's an old Pionier 8. Made in Norway.
Thank you
Thx. Joe. Happy paddling.
here in California unfortunately they have gotten rid of most plastic bags all that is left are the ones for vegetables it seems they are #2 HDPE bags. Nice to no these will work for the outer seal I my crack are are surface so going to use "Methacrylate Adhesive Epoxy" to repair and finish it using my heat gun to melt plastic bags on top as another layer. GREAT VIDEO.
I just lookup Methacrylate Adhesive Epoxy, heavy duty adhesive, nice!
Thanks for the feedback and good luck with your repair
And sadly, the Nation under Dumbo seems to think Califfiria has allbthe right ideas.
this works great for linear polyethylene, but if its crosslinked polyethylene it wont work. OLD TOWN made canoes with both materials, its whatever the supplier sold them so theres not one date where they switched. but newer the boat the greater the chance its linear polyethylene.
Thank you for the information
A Keel guard would of prevented it and adding one after a repair is a no brainer.
I tried that, nothing seem to stick well on the type of plastic the canoe is made of
Really nice to know thank you! Has it held up nicely?
It still hold up when I sold the canoe but the thin layers of plastic bags were slowly coming undone from water
We tried your repair system on our Old Town Discos - It worked for a while and then chipped off right back to the old hole. Everything we've tried eventually falls out again.
Good ideas though. Thanks.@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox
This is great, thanks! I just picked up an old Old Town Discovery that needs some TLC and I will be having a go at fixing it. How did this repair hold up?
The patch was still holding fine when I sold the canoe but the plastic layers were slowly starting to come apart from the water
Awesome job, thanks
Thank you for the feedback
Neat idea. Let us know how it holds up.
After a full season on the water, it is still holding up and prevented the damaged area to get worse. Although the patch is somewhat porous, so not really waterproof
Nice repair
Thanks
That is frikin cool!
Thanks for the feedback
And did it hold up? Can you please post an update video about it? Thanks. 👍👊
When I sold the canoe several years ago, the patch was still holding on but the plastic layers starting from the top detached from each other. So not waterproof, but it definetely slow down the wear and tear on that spot
I have some large cracks on the inside of my Old Town Discovery canoe. The PO tried to use fiberglass and it pulled right off. I'n not too concerned about it, it doesn't leak and you cant tell from the outside that it is damaged but I am wondering if this repair should work for the inside layer as well? Thanks!
I never tried it, it depends on the type of plastic...worth a shot, it is not waterproof but slows down the wear
Genius.
Thanks for the feedback
Now that’s just smart
Thanks
Excellent idea! How did you figure that out?
Hi
The specs of the canoe indicate that it is built with 3 layers polyethylene, just look what other products used polyethylene: grocery bags
www.oldtowncanoe.com/canoes/recreation/discovery_169/
Neat idea. How is it holding up so far?
It is holding up good, considering that particular spot takes lots of scraping abuse. That repair with an addition of a skid plate would be better.
All of my grocery bags are marked as “HDPE 2”. Will they still work the same as the “LDPE 4” bags?
I never tried Hi Density Plastic,on google find out the melting point and if its dangerous or not for fumes or fire when melting...
Huh. Might be free for you mate but shopping bags here in the uk cost 5c, each.
Here too now, at the time of the video they were free
What about melting the plastic more, and pouring it?
When it reached a certain temperature the plastic separate into liquid and goo, real mess and definitely not pourable
Can I use a blow dryer
Not hot enough
Could you use a HDPE plastic?
Old Town Canoes Discovery is built with Extremely durable three layer polyethylene, so yes HDPE could work, I choose LDPE for its very tough, weatherproof, low water absorption properties
Is it still holding up?
Hi
When I sold the canoe a few months ago it was still holding but the patch sorta start delaminating
How did it hold up?
pretty good, it's kind of fused there. Wear out a little faster than the original material, but stable
Joe Baker thank you. My old town discovery is getting hairline cracks on the outer shell only so I have been trying plastic welding, but the cracks came back. However, we took on the Main Southwest in early may and the only water that came in was over the top.
The inner shell is really tough, as long it is not breached it should be water proof
Thanks for your comments
I just bought and Old Town canoe today for $100. It has a repair that was done to it, but there is a hairline crack on the underside. I am going to try this repair tip. Thanks for sharing.
So how long did this hold up?
The repair patch is still filling the gap in the canoe hull but the water works is way between the plastic layers over time and the layers slowly detach itself and feel kind of spongy
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox thanks ive got a crack all the way through that i am going to attempt a hybrid approach, i will be pulling materal away from the crack on the outside, putting a fiberglass patch in then returning the skin material to the area
I dont think the plastic bag are waterproof in the long run but for the cost its worth a shot, good luck with your project
@@lifeisgood12341 - whatever you do is still going to involve some work, but seeing as though you're just doing a crack (presumably, not a giant repair), you won't need much of whatever you choose to use, so cost isn't really an issue.
I'd play it safe and use something you KNOW is going to bond and look decent in the end, after some light sanding... Consider using a two-part marine epoxy or whatever is recommended for the material that you're working with.
You'll probably get away with picking up a single "dual tube" application at Fleet Farm, Wal-Mart, etc for far less than 10 bucks, and at least you won't be relying on bonding the canoe to some other plastic via a questionable heat bond.
The only way this bag method would be strong is to actually heat the canoe to the "flow point" where the materials mix together, and that could end up disastrous (if even possible ). Otherwise you'll have delamination, as Sticks, Stones, and Iron pointed out.
JB Weld, 3M and even GOOP have a lot of different things that would work for about 5 bucks at your local big box stores and there are more industrial options like the "G-Flex" two-part epoxy that you'd simply squirt out, mix, apply, and sand smooth for a bulletproof finish
I used this guy's method (heating black zip-ties) to "weld" a smashed lawn tractor grill, and it turned out absolutely flawless after some fill and finish, but the grill sees no stress. Your canoe... Well that's a lot more flex and stress.
Trying something outside the box is always fun... But digging it out and redoing the whole thing a second time after it fails... NOT so fun. Especially if you plan to go the extra mile and make it look pretty with a little topcoat.
Good luck.