Holley Terminator X Max install for newbies! Easier than you think!
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- We install our new Holley Terminator X Max in this episode and it was actually easier than we thought! Yes, we made some mistakes, and you will see them, but overall, if WE can do it, ANYONE can do it! Watch our step-by-step installation and our first start afterward!
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00:00 Introduction
02:09 Begin under-hood wiring of LS
08:38 Begin wiring inside car under dash
13:49 Handheld (CAN) initial setup
22:02 First attempt to start the car
24:41 Fixed fuel pump wiring
25:57 It runs!
28:09 Final wrap-up / Summary
30:56 Outro - Auta a dopravní prostředky
This is possibly the best Terminator X install video out there. I learned as much from your mistakes as I did from your successes. Great camera work, especially on the oil pressure sender. Having your car’s wiring exposed like you have really made it easy to see where the wires went. Thanks again.
Yes thank you.
That real excitement when it started was the best part of this whole video. Made me smile for sure.
The best terminator x install I've seen thank you guys for doing it. Really helped my build
Great video. I’m starting my install on my Turbo Silverado tomorrow! I wish mine would be as simple as yours but it’s still a full interior vehicle. Glad to see it went smooth. Im of the same opinion as you about wiring….
Excellent video! My 57 will be running the Terminator X for sure! I love how simple the system is, installation and you did a great job doing it like everyone will be doing, backyard style with human error. Keep the good work Ken!
Appreciate that! Yeah, we don’t hide our mistakes around here, nor do we pretend to know more than we do. 😅
I wanna do this for my 72 chevelle elco but will i have to use that screen or is there a way to wirebit to my dash so i have all the stock gage reading working
I really appreciate the reality of your video. That is the way it really goes.
I've never been so stoked 🙌 to hear a Monza fire up. 🤘
bought a truck wirth a 5.3 and terminator x max in it, but not complete in parts, this really helped to understand the set up, old school guy, was my first time with a Ls swap thanks, best help I have had
That’s awesome! Glad it helped. 👍🏻
Great video! Sure made that look easy!
Such a great video, thank you for breaking it down for us.
Awesome video. Thanks. LC9 swap into our 69 Galaxie Convertible. We are having crank rpm issue where it is not showing crank rpm. Engine runs but were not there yet but close!
That look on your face when it started...like a kid on Xmas 🤣 Awesome video, thanks for uploading.
Thank you for this. I’m learning bought the kit still need to put the motor in my chevelle
Thanks for he video, finishing up a LS square body.. helped a lot
Thanks dude, I'm hoping to start mine foe the first time this week!!
Thanks for an informative video, I'll be starting my journey soon with my 2000 Z28 L33 5.3 build
Great video. I'm starting to install mine now. The one question I have is the optional wire for the IAC kickout. Where does the wire connect.
Well Done, big Victory
Thank you this is the best holley terminator x max video i have seen well explained!
Thank you very much 🙏🏻
I like this video because it like a everyday person doing the job and that feel when it crank up always
Great Video! Give me less anxiety for when I install my unit in the next couple weeks...thx!
Very inspiring - excellent video thank you so much!
Thank you so much. Im hooking up my xmax now. I have been worried i will screw something up, so your video helps ease my mind.
That’s awesome! I’m glad it helped out your mind at ease. ☺️
Thanks for sharing. Found your channel at the right time. Im installing the Terminator X Into a 502 Ram jet crate motor. I am as nervous about it as you were.
Welcome to the channel! You’ve got this! 💪🏻
This was awesome.
Love your Monza! I have a 78 2+2 that I just bought a Term X+ for. Awesome!
Nice!
sounds great
Thanks for the info
cool car, I had a 75 Monza 2+2 with a 262 and 4spd, swapped in a 350, wish i had kept it
Nice work!
I hope I get that same feeling of accomplishment you did on my swap, I was fist pumping the air with you
Excellent tutorial
Great stuff Ken! Takes a lot of hassle out of an LS!
Thank you! And yes it does!
I found myself clapping with you when it fired. Awesome.
excellent video man
Love the video!
I love it very nice I feel a little better you made it very helpful now I can make up my mine thanks so much for sharing my question can I use a painless wire harness with it that has fuses and start up switch for a race car Gauges and lights or street race car
I’m not sure I completely understand the question. Can you word it another way, with punctuation?
can i ask did you run you starter wire straight to the battery which was in your hand on start up ?
I think that handheld "cover" is actually a mounting cradle.
It can be slid both ways to act as a cover or a cradle, but admittedly I think you’re right. 😅
Thanks I have a little more confidence to do it
Awesome 👏🏻
Great Video, has been really helpful and Ive subbed , Thanks mate!
You’re very welcome ☺️
Great video! Where the MAT sensor connects into the intake at 5:34 do you have a part number or could anyone point me in direction I need to find something similar to that size grommet? Thanks
Thanks you literally help me finally turn my truck on after 2 years ! Been waiting about 8 months on mechanics that said they will finish up the wiring for me watched this video and did it myself and now it’s running . By any chance did you make a video wiring up the transmission harness or you haven’t done it yet?
This is literally why I made this video! So glad you were able to use it to get your truck running! We’ve not yet swapped transmissions yet, but when we do we’ll be sure to include the Terminator harness details as well. 👍🏻
@@SpyderGarage yes very much appreciated!! Saved me time and money! . Even without the transmission control installed your able to drive the car or no?
@@floridashitglee9387 Oh we’ve driven it thousands of miles without it. The TH350 doesn’t require the controller and the Terminator is fine if it’s not plugged in. 👍🏻
Awesome video thank you very much. How did connect your fans im having trouble understanding this part. Also one thing you might have missed to let us know is that the terminator x for some reason doesn’t come with a connection to alternator.
Yeah I had originally gone very detailed into that part of the dual fan setup but the video got too long, plus that wiring harness wasn’t technically part of the Terminator X kit either so I cut it out. As for the alternator, I briefly mention that there are 11 pages included in the manual regarding how to hook up your alternator and I explain it as well as I can, to include the resistor.
You my friend just got another subscriber. I would have been bervous starting it too.
How did you go with the injector selection in the end? I’m about to purchase the 550-903 Unit for my LS1. I have the same injectors as yourself but can’t find any information on them and Holley doesn’t have the specifications either.
Love the video keep up the good work, quick question in your crank wire is same as ignition wire?
In this case, yes. Both are switched, cranking power. 👍🏻
Thanks so much❤❤❤ quick question what did u do about the kick down cable from transmission
For the moment, it’s just off to the side because the plan was to always install an electronically controlled 4L60e. But I’ve seen guys who have retrofitted their throttle bracket to accommodate a kick-down cable as well.
Too cool! ❤
Great vid.
@spyder garage
What is the the plug , your pointing at when talking about the accessorie input and out outs wire that are supplied
Great video
Dude this is way cool!!!! Are you using the standard wiring for the dash and stuff?
Other than this Terminator X Max kit, we rewired the entire car with a new Painless Wiring 23-circuit kit - that’ll be the next video 😉
Cool lil car
How would I wire the starter to the steering column?
Very good video my friend
GOOD HELP G SHOT OUT FROM COMPTON CA STEP BY STEP GOOD DETAIL
Where did you pull from for starter exciter wire? Said you’d cover it first minute of video and don’t see it mentioned at all. Also don’t see any mention about alternator.
What’s the link to that mat sensor
If I got the terminator x max ls1 24x (550-919) am I restricted ls1 motors or am I able to go any 5.3 4.8 6.0 with the system ? Got it for a steal on market place lol thanks in advance haven’t gotten a clear answer
Great video, been thinking about getting one of those! Can you adjust timing? Kudos
Yup, you can even do it on the fly as you’re driving. 😉
Did you ever get the actual data for the GM 12555894 injectors. I am just about to install this xmax with the exact same engine setup you have in this video. If you have can you share?
Which priceless wiring kit u get & which should i get for a 1988 chevy burn my original cab harness up
We used a Painless Kit #10403
Can you do a video on the starter wiring? Wired up my terminator and the only issue I have is no rpm signal.... no crank, no start. It's driving me insane
this is probably a stupid question but what would happen to the dash, like speedometer and tachometer if I deleted the ecm in a gm and used holly efi?
None of your gauge cluster would work other than maybe fuel level. With an auto transmission, you can have the holley control that and the handheld screen will display all of that, but its small. Its expensive but Dakota Digital makes gauges that would replace the stock gauges and interfaces off of the holley giving you all the readouts your old dash has. Highly recommend but its like $1K+ i think.
👍 nice
When you used internal map are you using the stock map sensor or did you use the blue tube on the ecu
Stock
Is there any wiring for the alternator to charge the battery on the terminator?
Oh yeah, but I didn’t go into all the detail because there is 11 pages on the alternator alone. Find your particular style alternator in the book and they’ll have all you need in there. 👍🏻
Just some friendly advice. Be careful jamming a multimeter probe in a connector pin. It will stretch the pin and cause terminal fretting and u will have intermittent electrical issues. But other than that great video man I was excited to see the car bust off
Thank you, will definitely remember that. 👍🏻
What’s up question. I brought a 1986 Chevy caprice with LS swap. Terminator x max lights never lit up hand held comes on. VVS not plugged in nor speed plug. Will those not been plugged up cause the ecu not to communicate?
No those are not required in order for the ECU to work. Case-in-point: They’re not plugged in on our car either because we’re running a non-electronic TH350 transmission. When you say the lights didn’t come on, are you referring to the lights on the ECU itself?
Did u have to run a separate wiring for your starter how did u go about that
For the video, I ran a longer wire to it from the rear mounted battery, but otherwise, it’s just hooked up like normal. (I even noted in the video how I accidentally knocked that wire loose)
Do you know if they sell the handheld separately? I have a x max the only thing I had to do was buy a ev1 to multec harness separately but I bought it second hand and it did not come with the handheld it did come with a Holley 7.5 inch screen though
Not officially on their website but I’d call them anyway to see what they could do for you. 👍🏻
Hi. I’m about to pull the trigger on the same system for my 1998 LS1 with 4L60E. Do you have the part number please. 550 916 is the one I’m looking at. Also. Do I need to get the injector harness separate or does it come with the kit ? Thanks for your time. Great informative video.
As long as you have the stock Bosch EV1 injectors, then yes, the 550-916 is the correct part #. And yes, you will need to purchase a separate injector harness for those style injectors. It doesn’t come with the Terminator kit because injector choice varies so much between cars that Holley keeps the kits separate.
@@SpyderGarage thanks for the reply. Keep up the great videos. From England 🏴
Your fuel pressure should be 58. Great video.
Thank you. We still need to get a pressure transducer for fuel pressure. 😅
Does this only work with specific engines? I wanted switch my jag E type to direct injection and didn't know if this would work
It’s very universal, however they do have different kits for different engines but honestly, I’d call Holley first and give them your specifics.
@@SpyderGarage thanks, I'll see if they can help
My terminator starts my car and turns off immediately won't stay running can't figure out issue
Where did u get the grommet for your iat sensor??
Can’t remember, but I think not was an Amazon purchase.
What type of pedal are you using I'm trying install a ls but I heard that need some pedal modification?
We’re using our stock Monza gas pedal because we’re DBC (drive by cable)
Grats
What starter did you use cuz I’m also running my stock 700r4 trans and idk what starter to use
We’re still running a stock TH350 and the factory LS1 starter worked fine (however we have an adaptor the spaces the flywheel back)
So for clarity
Did that green fuel pump wire go to the gray wire on the pump after all?
Yes 👍🏻
@@SpyderGarage man for some reason I’m still not able to get power to the fuel pump- it’s a Holley in tank unit so it’s not that loud but damn I thought I would be able to hear it prime at least
At idle if the engine is turning 800-1000 rpm, are you sure the tps should be zero? At idle I would expect to see 15% roughly. Maybe the Holley is different than GM.
We’ve since learned that a cold start will run a little rich AFR-wise and idle will be a couple hundred rpm higher. Once it’s warmed up it all goes back to normal where we set it.
The TPS on Stand alone ECUs (not just Holley) is always calibrated to 0% at idle and Holley EFI specifically says to recalibrate the TPS if/when the throttle itself has been reset IE throttle/idle screw turned in/out. That's because the Holley IAC (Idle Air Control) goes to it's "Hold Position" above 2% TPS.
Quote from Holley Instructions -> Important note: "The TPS sensor must read less than 2% for IAC idle control to be enabled.
If it is above 2%, the IAC will be forced to its “IAC Hold Position”...
Is the transmission harness optional on the terminator max?
No, it comes with it 👍🏻
How did you determine which map sensor to go with?
N/A--1 bar MAP sensor. DO NOT USE A MAP SENSOR OTHER THAN 1 BAR FOR N/A. There isn't a 1 bar that plugs into the terminator harness without a conversion pigtail, I use a LS3 1 bar sensor with the pigtail.
If you're boosted, each roughly 10 PSI of boost requires 1 bar of sensor capability. So 2bar is good to 20, 3bar to 30, 4bar to 40, etc. etc. There is a 2 bar sensor (cobalt SS if I'm not mistaken) that plugs right into it.
If you run boost that MAT sensor is going to fly off
don’t plan on running boost on this car 👍🏻
Nice job & great video my fellow Hoosier💪🔥
So the terminator can run your car accessories like lights and and stuff
No it cannot. It only manages your engine (& transmission if you get the X Max)
How do I hook up the starter and alternater
Depends on the style alternator you have but Painless has 11 pages detailing the alternator/starter wiring alone for your specific application 👍🏻
I too have a ls1 swap but on my squarebody. Right now trying to figure out the “Injector off time” with same injectors as you 12554271. It’s not in my hand held device or the Holley software. Are you using the injectors # that are similar or made the correction? Thank you
We used the ‘actual’ injector part # using the laptop software instead of the CAN. It’s not super hard to find the injector on/off times online if you look, but I had a tuner verify my graduated on/off scale just be sure. 👍🏻
Thank you I’ll have to do that. I did buy the CAN but never found the injector also downloaded the new software 2.0 in hope it would come up. Will try it your way thanks again!
Wait so that green wire for the fuel pump powers the fuel pump?
Lol. Umm… yes, but I mention it because it’s a choice you have to make. You can use it so long as you’re using a stock style fuel pump that doesn’t require more than 15 amps. (Also, run it to the “grey” wire and not the purple as I incorrectly did the first time)!😉
I’m confused. That wire says it needs to go to the coil negative?
Can you put a time stamp on where you got confused at? I’m not sure what you’re referring to.
@@SpyderGarage man I apologize. I tried posting this on the video before and I guess as it was changing videos it put it on this one instead lol. Sorry nice build though
Are u using factory speedometer
No, we have aftermarket Stewart Warner gauges
How long did it take you to install the system? I'm looking to do one in my gmc typhoon which the 4.3 motor us basically the v6 version of your motor just with the 2 cylinders chopped off. Oh and the power adder.
Literally only a few hours. What took the most time was drilling a hole in the firewall and running the wires through it. That’s the only part I didn’t include in the video.
@@SpyderGarage Thank you. Great video!
@@SpyderGarage The car you used I wager was originally had a carburetor? Mine is election fuel injected from the factory the holes are already there.
@@jdgreen214 It was, but I will say that Holley will tell you in their instructions what size hole to drill and I would go with that. I “think” they recommend a 2” hole but make sure you read up on it.
@@SpyderGarage Will do. Thank you again.
Can you still use the terminator x max wiring and have it still plug into dash? For example if you have oil pressure hooked up to the terminator x max but you don’t use the terminator x gauge thing can you still have it going to a different dash?
If I’m understanding the question, yes, you can install a T-fitting for a mechanical gauge underneath the Holley pressure transducer that feeds the CAN (handheld) or you can splice the wires and feed a separate electronic oil pressure gauge. But doing that will void Holley’s warranty.
@@SpyderGarage gotcha. Just asking because I got a neat little cluster and would like to be able to reuse the stuff like coolant temp, mph, voltage, oil pressure, and fuel %. It’s a jegs electric dash cluster thing. Also wouldn’t a T fitting cause it to read oil pressure half of what it is or just off? Might just have to deal with it lol or just not hook up oil pressure to the terminator. Rather see it on my cluster than in the data log imo
@@SpyderGarage also how’s it still going with the terminator x? I’m looking into getting the terminator X Max for ease of tuning and for when I eventually wanna go with some turbos. Still just something to think about and do some more research about. But what’s your opinions after a few months of it still?
@@812racing Honest opinion, I’ll never do another car without one. We love it that much!
@@SpyderGarage that’s awesome I think imma order within the next month or two and install it this winter in my 2nd Gen camaro. Along with paint and bodywork lol. My only thing is just getting used to it but from what I’ve heard it’s 10x easier than hp tuners
How should a shop charge for installation
Usually just a flat charge for something like this, especially if you’re already pretty familiar with the install.
So this eliminates the factory ecu right?
Yes sir 👍🏻
@@SpyderGarage cool! Would my factory gauges on my cluster still work, tach. Speedo. Fuel gauge oil pressure gauge? Or would it all be shown on the little touch screen that comes with it?
N A I L E D I T . . .!!!
Nice just got mi es in d mail
What is install time for something like this?
For a first timer, I’d say a weekend. After you’ve done one or two, you can do it 4-6 hours.
So what did you do about programming the fuel injectors???
It was briefly used n the video with “hold music” and text, where I explained that we had to use the Holley Terminator software on our laptop that gives you more options than the CAN. At the time of filming, I hadn’t discovered that yet and had to stitch in the comment after the fact. 👍🏻
Found at 19:38
@@SpyderGarage I’m in the same situation right now but I can’t get any info on the standard brand 500 dollar fuel injectors
The desk top asks technical questions about the custom fuel injectors that I can’t get any info on whatsoever
@@vandettabuilds6641 Yeah it’s difficult to find the exact info sometimes. I lucked out that my injectors were factory units and the info was out there. Best to call a tuner to ask how to input the precise on/off times and scale for your injectors because you don’t want to mess that up.