Moses Ingram Faces Death Threats And Attacks From Star Wars’ Darker Side
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The people who chose to send her racist messages are probably the first ones to get mad if you call them racist.
Judging by some of the replies in this comments section, you’re not wrong
💯 this. People expose themselves every time when this subject comes up.
Just curious is it acceptable for Star Wars fans who are PoC to be upset at someone whitewashing the history of Star Wars to virtue signal, are they allowed to be offended and respond or are they racist as well?
"To me, it’s long overdue. If you’ve got talking droids and aliens, but no people of color, it doesn’t make any sense. It’s 2022, you know."
To a degree with the above message and others she brought a lot of the hate on herself apparently PoC don't exist until her and what John and others are not saying is it isn't just white people aka racists who responded to this.
@Jar Jar Reva 🤡
@Jar Jar Reva “stop talking about it and it won’t exist”😂. Yeah ok
As a black person all I can say to other black people is keep your head up. Keep putting one foot in front of the other. I see the same things you do. I feel the same feelings as you. I know this is getting heavy and hard to swallow.
I live in an all white town and my daily life can be hard when people go out of their way to hurt me because of my skin. I was at a low point last night. Today I woke up and decided around lunch to go see Top Gun Maverick to cheer myself up. Now I'm eating some Ramen and watching some Jon Campea.
Keep moving forward. Keep your head up. Keep putting one foot in front of the other. I know this isn't fair and I know a lot of us are being denied a fulfilling life right now full of love and friendships.
Just keep your head up. It's all we got right now.
Well said dude. Never let stupid people take away your dignity.
Take care man! You're awesome 😎 please stay strong! And I'm middle eastern so I know what you mean... I pass for white though, but again I get asked "why" I am white, as if I somehow cheated or stole something from white people. **cking weird.
@@samf.s.7731 dude who do you think gets most of the white women , darker skinned men (fact ) it's good to have a tan lol 🤣 🤣🤣, so dont worry you may be light skinned , but all these sad assholes with their racism are masturbating non stop in their mothers basement
Yes!
@@sumarianprince That is absolutely true.
Crazy how trash this fanbase still can be. Has nobody learned anything from Jake Lloyd, Ahmed Best, Hayden Christensen, Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Kelly Marie Tran and even the fans bullying Lucas himself...so much so that he sold away his own franchise?
Criticising the character is fine but the blatant racism I've seen is shocking and people actually having a problem with Lucasfilm finally taking a stance and telling people not to be racist is CRAZY. Being racist isn't an opinion it's just being deplorable.
@Jar Jar Reva They are not claims.
The proof is in the screenshots.
@Jar Jar Reva 'claims'
There's literally mountains of proof. I've seen a bunch of it in comments with my own eyes.
@Jar Jar Reva what a weird username. Hard to take you seriously when you have taken two of SW most divisive non-white characters and try to turn the conversation into “race-baiting”. It’s almost as if you’re trying to say that black people don’t experience racism, meanwhile idiots are posting racist shit all over twitter and in CZcams comment sections.
As a black man hearing this warmed my heart and made my day. This gives me hope. I honestly couldn’t have put it better myself. John, thank you. This was honest, poignant, sympathetic, wholesome and real. I’ve been a fan of the show since the AMC movie news days and I tune in religiously. This has not only validated me being a fan of the show but also John as a person. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
There’s people that care about equal respect and treatment to everyone! Keep ur head up
@@thematrixhasyou3521 it probably wasn't for you to understand🤡
Couldn't agree more. 👍 @Malik Taylor.
@@thematrixhasyou3521 theres still good people out there that want racism out this country and equality to us all
@@samuellafontaine4857 where are they?
You can dislike a show, a character or a performance. But making death threats or harassing is just disgusting. It is just a TV show people. Get a life.
If their statement offended you, then you’re either a racist or enable racist behavior.
Exactly
Does that include other people of colour who were offended by her comments and complete disregard for others who came before her?
"To me, it’s long overdue. If you’ve got talking droids and aliens, BUT NO PEOPLE OF COLOR, it doesn’t make any sense. It’s 2022, you know." her words.
So glad Lando, Mace, Boba and Finn to name a few don't exist
No. This didn’t even about race. And most people who don’t like the character are right and have no racist bone in their body. Black people have criticized it too. The death threats are ridiculous but that is not a true representation of what most people are saying about the character
@@fatherlucid4995 I have to be honest I haven't seen any mention of death threats, I could be wrong but I believe this is net hyperbole.
Couple a clown's above me in your comment section🤦♂️🤡
As a STAR WARS Fan...there's NOTHING I Hate more than STAR WARS fans!
Disliking the character is fine, just don’t harass the actress and we’re all good here
You aren't allowed to dislike a character like this without being called a white supremacist. I've seen this same song and dance over and over again time and time again. A character played by a woman or minority (or both) gets a fair degree of criticism, and immediately it goes to "DEATH THREATS! RACIST ABUSE! SEXISM!"
No evidence needed of course, but now any criticism of the character (or more importantly, the screenwriting of the show) can instantly be deflected, and the Nerd Crew-esque youtube channels go along with it every time. I'm sorry if Moses Ingram has gotten some level of abusive comments, that sucks, but almost everything I've seen has been directly criticizing the character, and now that will be much harder to do because they have a shield.
For real, and then mfs will straight up combat this exact statement with “bUT SHE BAD ACTOR THO” as if that justifies i, coincidentally stating it when that’s not what’s important to the convo 🙄
@@ColeKinghorn Well that’s literally the definition of a racist critiquer acting without bringing in her skin color that has nothing to do with it but when people start referring to her out of her name in as animals etc. there’s a problem
@@epicjwkl honestly the “she’s a bad actor” or “she can’t act” excuse is one I’m starting to get sick of. They used it for Brie Larson, they used it on Jodie Whittaker and now they’re using it on Moses, they always seem to conveniently forget the fact that these actresses have won and been nominated for awards for their performances
@@ColeKinghorn You know, I've seen about a 1000 comments like this (give or take) but I don't think I've ever seen an actual example of that. Elizabeth Banks? Maybe. Can't think of anything else.
Casual online racism and malicious intent is directly due to anonymity. It's far too easy to be a bully when there are no ramifications.
As a black man I appreciate you addressing this. You are absolutely right Social Media has given a platform for cowards to be their authentic self. Things that they want to say at work but choose not to it’s not that they can’t they could they may loose their job over it but they absolutely can say whatever they are wanting to say. I and others black Star Wars fans just want to watch the series and enjoy. Hope When Jordan’s Superman comes out won’t be the same but I will say black men are way more accept in Hollywood than Black women.
Blame the trumpies
@@billyobfas6962
First of all, what does Trump have to do with any of this? Second of all, I'm a Trump supporter using his real name on this platform. Nobody's afraid of your soft ass. Enjoy losing in November.
Renzo, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that people are nastier on social media because they're anonymous, but you're still in favor of their ability to speak freely. If so, I completely agree with and respect that opinion. I'm hopeful that Elon Musk's solution will work to make things better as far as the nastiness on Twitter.
@@mikejunior211 should I also blame blm?
@@mikejunior211 blame the person responsible for the internet existing.
Saw a comment earlier that actually lined out how much this happened and it’s kind of staggering. Jake Loyd (who was just a kid), Ahmed Best (Jar Jar), Hayden Christensen, John Boyega, the list goes on. Apparently even the little girl playing Leia is catching flack online!
I cannot understand this contingent of Star Wars ‘fans’ who think it’s okay to go bully actors.
It’s a fucking wonder to me that more actors don’t just uninstall social media to spare themselves.
Exactly.
@@ianw0ng Indeed
@@ianw0ng hatred shouldn't be directed at anyone... unless they hit puppies or something to that degree, we're talking about a TV show
It's a wonder to me that all of this often gets swept under a rug, never to be acknowledged as a problem, and Disney never ever says "Hey if you're racist then you're not welcome in the fandom".
Most of their admins on Reddit would remove a comment of someone pointing out racism in another comment rather than remove the ACTUAL racist comment.
I wish they would do better, I am disappointed...
I am the variety that tells racists to go to hell, and I don't regret it tbh. They're not good people, they're just not. Sorry if anyone reading this is one and is realizing it just now...you gotta work on yourself because you're the villain, not the hero.
@@samf.s.7731 💯💯💯💯👍
There’s a passage in the Bible that sums up human nature very well.
“For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”
- Romans 3:23
Just thought of adding to your point and I definitely agree with you.
The world is soooo messed up and it’s just….
I like how even people here in the comment section are actively denying that she got racist hateful messages. SHE LEGIT POSTED SOME OF THE MESSAGES SHE HAS RECEIVED ON HER INSTAGRAM STORY. She isn't just making this up. It's weird how some of the Star Wars fandom is in denial that this kind of hatred exists within the fandom even though we've seen it time and again with Ahmed Best, Kelly Marie Tran, and John Boyega.
I know, it’s just so sick and twisted how horrible some people can be.
The people denying it’s racist are the same ones sending the messages.
I know right? I can't help but feel the people denying are exactly the type of people that John doesn't even want as part of his fan base. And are also harbouring racist feelings fine consciously, some in denial of their bigotry.
Where In the messages is there any mention of race?
@@comicprime406 Aint no way this is a real question.
As a black man I really appreciated this take by John. And yes people please don’t choose to be racist.
You've earned my respect today by coming out about this matter and taking all the potential heat for yourself protecting your coworkers and friends.
@@thematrixhasyou3521 condemning racism is “virtue signaling” ? Lol
Yeah, her character was one-note (so far) but I actually like her rage-type attitude. It represents Darth Vadars attitude. I'm sure they'll build on to her character in the next few episodes.
That’s def the better way to go about expectations tbh, though it’s better for a character to be more interesting/great on arrival, it’s only episode 2 out of 6, so there’s still time for improvement and more stuff the actor could better work with. So many are so quick to just say “character bad, actor bad” like cavemen upon the first episode they see, I stg
LMFAO @ the Darth Vader comparison, In no way shape or form does She belong in the same sentence as Vader. I thought She tried way too hard in the first episode but by the end of the second She kind of won me over....Still Vader is the greatest villian in film history....lets just hope it stays that way because Disney has F'd over a legendary villian already this year.
I'LL never forgive the star wars fandom for what happened to Jake Lyod either, and that wasn't even racism, that was straight up bullying
It pisses me off that people think this is fake when moses ingram literally showed on her insta story some of the very racist dms..if you feel like you are being called out for being racist either you are racist or an idiot.. disney is not saying if you don't like reva you are racist. Disney is calling out the people who literally sent racist messages and death threats to moses ingram
They Know it’s not fake but what they are doing is called Gaslighting
The way John words certain stuff is actually art. What a way to address this 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
As a black Star Wars fan this was really upsetting. Thanks for your words John. Means a lot.
“And if you’re sending her bullying messages you’re no Star Wars fan in my mind.” Ewan McGregor said something to that affect.
This is despicable to bullying somebody for doing her job
Exactly she just doing her job sucks she’s being attacked like this when things like this happen it’s makes the Star Wars community look bad
@@Ronin-kk4bt I havent seen a more toxic fanbase except for maybe Sonic or FNaF
John, I know this isn’t your first statement of this ilk but I (as insignificant as I am) have to say, with this video good sir you have gained my “man to man” respect. Here’s to the 1000 viewers you lost and the 10000 you gained for being human, cheers 🥂.
Shit Lando got some terrible racist shit pre internet days. Billie Dee had to get that off his chest during one of his Q&As a few years ago. It’s always been there, but about fucking time Lucasfilm started protecting their actors & staff. Jesus fucking Christ smh
Star Wars might have the worst toxic fandom in existence.
They do by far.
As someone who's not a star wars fan, I completely agree.
You haven't introduced to kgf fans that's why starwars looks worst toxic fandom for you 🤣🤣
It’s crazy and ironic how Star Wars fans can be racist for a world that has EVERY living creature that all connect within each other! 🤦 damn shame.
That's what I'm saying I'm black I love Star wars I'm a huge Star wars fan and seen this crap is disgusting nothing wrong with criticizing the character in the show but the actor or actress that's too far
those goofballs probably would not survive the star wars universe seeing as it is too diverse for their small minds
No one should ever hate or dislike someone because the color of someone's skin!
truth
I’ve been a Star Wars fan since I was three years old (1977); since the literal beginning. And just as John said, I have strong opinions and dislikes. But I’m not going to attack actors, directors, producers (etc) because of those strong opinions and dislikes.
Ewan McGregor phrased it perfectly when he said that if you support, condone or conduct any racist or bigoted behavior towards Moses or anyone like her, you’re not a Star Wars fan.
I’m not trying to be funny, but that *IS* an absolute I can get behind! Simply put: You’re not one of us! We don’t want you in our fandom.
I’m sick and goddamn tired of a toxic group of people- regardless of its size- acting like it’s part of our fan base, or really *ANY* fan base (Undertale, I’m looking in your direction. Toxic people in that community aren’t fans, either!)!
I’m sick of generalizing statements that only reflect a minuscule number compared to those of us who don’t act like assholes.
So, I disown your racist asses. You’re not Star Wars fans! End of story!
star wars fan? more like star WAS fan
Thanks for reminding me why I convinced my father to stop watching SW content because I fear EVERYONE will spit on his face for liking ALL THE SW MATERIAL (INCLUDING SEQUEL TRILOGY, BAD BATCH, THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT, ETC)
Thank you Champ camp. I’m a black navy veteran that loves your show. Your statement touch me defending that young lady.
Thank you for your service 🇺🇸
Thanks for this John .Fuck the racists for FR FR. A small percentage of the Star Wars fandom should be ashamed of themselves AND Social Media STILL aren't doing enough to combat Racism online and its SO disspointing.
This all stems from online anonymity. Very few of these people would dare say these things if they had to put their real face and name to it.
Time for social media companies to face the same regulation as any other publisher.
What keeps me being a Star Wars fan is the fact that the non-toxic fans are the overwhelming majority, despite what the hateful online fanbase would have people believe. Each sequel trilogy film made over a billion dollars at the box office. Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett had a large viewership. The recent Celebration event was well-attended. The animated shows continue to impress, and move the franchise in exciting new directions. Star Wars, like America itself, finds strength in diversity, not division.
You're not wrong; the gatekeepers who rabidly attacked the prequels (and actors thereof) were also part of the problem. Criticism is well and good, but there's no need to bully anyone. Any toxicity is ugly and only begets more bullying.
I really don’t know what to say other than Thanks for speaking out John… but more importantly than simple thanks; people who appreciate your willingness to talk about this need to communicate to you that a huge majority of us are here. Usually people like me will silently support you & loud obnoxious minority will scream & yell.
I just wanted to comment to let you know that we all appreciate it… and there are 10 times the amount of people who do that aren’t commenting.
Unfortunately there is no shortage in hate and stupidity. There are a lot of people bent out of shape about many things Disney. I don't think her performance was the problem more the way the character was written. My guess is there is more of a story going on with Reva, the emperor?
I've never understood why certain people (and pretty nasty people at that) feel the need to spread racist and prejudice hate speech simply because they don't like something about the actor's character or performance. It is cowardly and disgusting John, thank you for bringing this toxic fandom to the foreground; it seriously needs to stop.
Death threats aren’t immediately racist because it’s against a black person. Sometimes they are just death threats which are horrible
@@fatherlucid4995 Wow you felt you had to correct me did you even when I was just making an overall point? Thanks for that. Please spend the rest of your week feeling "right."
@@fatherlucid4995 that’s a true general point, but I don’t see anything in op about death threats.
@@PopCultureNihilist I still feel that it's an inherently racial discussion when people go after a black actor for no reason. Connect the dots?
@@jonathanbyron4785 I agree with you. Completely. In this instance, there’s really no ambiguity. There has definitely been racially motivated harassment directed at the poor woman.
I was validating the other person (it’s true that not all death threats made are race-related) while also addressing the fact it’s irrelevant to this conversation. If I can reach a person through constructive dialogue, maybe it will help them to look at the other side of a topic. Maybe I’m being overly idealistic.
Regardless of that part- respect. I hear you man.
they even got triggered when the star wars twitter called them out on being racist
To criticise an actors delivery of lines and/or performance is fine and fair game if you keep it civil and constructive. BUT the moment you mention ANYTHING pertaining to race then YES, racism is a factor in said critique.
Racism in the Starwars fandom is real and has been for decades, so this should come as no surprise to anyone. To deny racism within the SW fandom means you’re either being wilfully ignorant or woefully obtuse.
Well said John
Imagine being a racist fan of a sci-fi/fantasy property inspired by WW2 anti-fascism and created by a man who is married to and has a child with a black woman - crazy.
😂exactly! Star Wars been woke before woke
I didn't know that 🙂
@@dreddiknight yup, they've been happily married for many years and she's a successful executive who previously helped George run things pre-Disney acquisition. They have a lovely daughter 😊
I’m so disappointed hearing that people are doing that… especially being a Star Wars fan…
As someone who’s Black but with a lighter complexion than most, my siblings were darker than me and we were all treated with disrespect because of our race. There’s no cure for racism sadly. Thank you John for acknowledging the way you did. Some needed to hear this.
I'm sorry to hear that, but I do have to question the level and whether your comments aren't somewhat hyperbolic, having known several African Americans. I am well aware that racism exists as it exists in all people as pattern recognition is programmed in at genetic level, we all have ingroup out group biases, however we can control and temper them.
My issue with your statement is that it is a blanket generalisation, it could be inferred that you are saying that racism is everpresent throughout your life with every interaction with every person of a different colour skin than yours. From my reading on the subject and interactions I have had such a situation is rare to non-existent apart from within a limited number of particular regions of the US.
@@marcfogarty4108 respectfully…that’s not what I meant but this is a youtube comment after all. I’m just saying that I have experienced racism. Not to the degree of a darker skinned Black person or even some of my relatives but I still get comments to this day about my race, was legitimately all I meant.
@@JordanNMusic fair enough I stand corrected as it appears I have misinterpreted your statement. In fairness the reason I did is because I come across so many especially white "woke" people who constantly preach Anti-racist ideology .
To the point that I now need to clarify and question everything rather than assume the best, which is really quite sad. Unfortunately we seem to be living in an age of hyperbole where feelings and facts battle for supremacy.
I am disappointed to hear that you regularly still get racial comments, if you will entertain my curiosity is it regional ie down south or across the country. As the people I know are from NY and very dark skinned and have had very rare racial issues. maybe they are just lucky :)
Josh denied it as Not that Bad and Mostly Bots....so im not sure Why you are thanking him.
STAR WARS FAN NEED TO STOP THERE RACISM!! THE CREATOR OF STAR WARS HAS BLACK CHILDREN‼️
These idiots don't care or probably don't even know
I don't remember Natalie Portman getting death threats during her turn in the prequels, even with the bad notices she got. Wonder what the difference is.
To be fair social media didn’t exist then…..so
It could also be that she just wasn't vocal about it at the time.
@@AdamWatt00 Ahmed Best has spoken about getting death threats through the Internet at the time, though he did reveal this years later.
Wow! You were incredibly respectful and blunt at the same time. I appreciate your statements in terms of prejudice & bias people sharing their poison. Wished we heard more statements like this. One thing for certain, you are not scared!
I just wish people could understand that it's okay to criticize someone's work. Her physical attributes have nothing to do with the bad writing on display so far in Obi Wan. It's not her fault that the writers didn't focus the story on Obi Wan as much as many fans wish they had.
How can people accept Wookiee’s and every other creature in a galaxy far far away but can’t fathom black people in it. I’m a giant geek and I don’t get how you can be a nerd and racist. Unbelievable!
No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans
Unfortunately when you have frail turd nuggets like "Squeaks and Lamers" leading other turd nuggets we get this sort of behavior. As soon as they get the reaction they want they floor the gas pedal and make even more ignorant videos that fuel their rage crusade...
Cmon if your gonna call them out grow some balls and use their name. No one will care. No need to hide an opinion.
@@anakincrespin I knew who they were referring too. But if your gonna call someone out do it fully. And I don’t hate them. I don’t watch them cuz I can only take in so much political talk. I try to keep my movies out of politics.
@@rlee7389 why would I give him or you the satisfaction? He wants the attention. If you knew who it was then what was the point of putting in their name?
@@RandomBlackGamer because others might not know who you are talking about.
The Star Wars fans who are racist need to know that George Lucas who's married to a strong black woman (Mellody Hobson - President and co-CEO of Ariel Investments), put racism on blast with the discrimination of droids.
As a fan that happens to be black, thank you for that. It is absolutely fine to dislike a performance or what have you. But nevwr make it personal,definitely not racial.
Honestly, John I agree completely, I liked her character so far, some of my friends didn't but none of us stated racial slurs and death threats, that has nothing to do with performance. The Star Wars Fandom (whilst being a part of it) is the worst fandom ever... I can't even publicly state that I like the sequels without getting a death threat. Its honestly heartbreaking to see that the franchise I LOVE, has fans like this... that are bullies, racist, and are disgusting. Its just a shame this happens, it really aggravates me.
The comments under this video justifying the hatred, denying the hatred, accusing her of lying about it even when it’s right there laid bare for all to see support exactly what she says. The gaslighting is insane.
yeah, that makes me really sad, because that's about one third of the comments...
John, thank you so much for stating it so planely for folks who require an explanation. Don't dilute the issue. This isn't about legitimate fan criticism which is healthy if done appropriately. This is about blatant racism. It wasn't ok with Ahmed Best, and it's not ok now with Moses Ingram.
I’m a proud fan of Star Wars, but some people can really make me feel embarrassed to be a SW fan.
I think John worded it perfectly. I 100% agree.
John this was one of the greatest speeches ever. Respect. And Fuck racism.
It really wasn't. Martin Luther King Jr did oe of the greatest speeches ever not this.
@@TheSt1092 no
@@j.g7006 Yep.
@@NelsonMandela1million for real lol, like that should be the default
@@NelsonMandela1million what a very creative way to say you're racist. Oh and not falling for the profile, seen a load of racist profiles do this. Kinda getting old, get more creative dude.
This has been a problem in the star wars community ever since phantom menace. Not the racism, the attacking the actors and not criticise the writer
I grew up in a very white area. Rarely experienced full fledged overt racism. Usually just ignorance or prejudice. But I was walking home with a white friend one day and a random truck drove by and threw a drink at me. It blew his mind. We’d never personally talked about racism before.
He said to me in disbelief:
“that was- THAT WAS RACIST!!”
White people don’t see it. That can be understandable (kinda). It’s just how it is. But when you see it, be decent enough to call it what it is.
It is OK if you don't like the character. It is ok to criticize the acting or writing in a production. It is ok to voice your opinion with the product that you have loved your whole life.
It is not ok to give a death threat or call out their race at anytime over something like this.
Sadly I was one of those trolls ripping apart Jake Lloyd on message boards back when episdoe 1 came out. And ive been ashamed of myself for years. If i ever met him i would say im sorry for what i did
How old were you!? If you don't mind me asking. Sometime so wonder if this is a "mob mentality" thing, you know?! Or just kids not knowing that they're dealing damage.
I understand not liking a character but what’s with the death threats. That’s crazy
The thing I love most about you and your show is that your a straight shooter. F racism and any hate.
I want to say I’m shocked but considering that this is the same fanbase that:
-drove Jake Lloyd insane
-drove Ahmed Best to almost commit suicide
-made George Lucas not want to make any more movies
-drove Daisy Ridley off social media
-made slanderous comments about Rian Johnson
-drove Kelly Marie Tran off Instagram
I really can’t say I’m surprised anymore. How sad is that? 20 years later and they still haven’t learned their lesson.
They’re pricks
@@BaithNa It's a combination of fans being extremely possesive about their childhood stories, being very narrow-minded about them and taking them way too seriously.
All of this is just horrible. And I’m a casual SW fan at best
Fans didn't drive Jake Lloyd insane he made his own choice. The Ahmed Best thing is tragic but as for George selling up lets face it the real reason he sold up was because Red Tails wasn't very good.
@@TheSt1092 “made his own choice”
And you’re gonna act like the years of bullying didn’t have an effect on him? SMH
As an Afro-American, I saw life imitating art. You can put Reva in any other job while a woman (and of a different race) who has to put in double the effort to try to be equal just be told she is still "the least of us". If you see it through that lens, she's more ambitious than annoying. Moses Ingram will be just fine after be cast in "The Queen's Gambit" and "The Tragedy of Macbeth" acting with Denzel Washington on her resume. Her video was more for the fans because most entertainers know hate come with the territory.
What's your evidence for "double the effort"? In the UK, productions need to meet certain quotas to receive funding. That's why there was an Indian shop owner, a black police officer, etc in 1960s Belfast in the film Belfast. That's not historically accurate at all. Kenneth Branagh was asked about this and stated he could not get financing without casting in this way.
Even for regular jobs, there's often a line about encouraging applications from Black, Asian etc people. I.e. non-white. Sometimes they mention sexuality etc too but it's usually down to race or skin. 🤷🏽♂️ In many industries I actually have an advantage as a non-white person.
No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans lmaoooo
Racist people don't like being called a racist, this comment section proves that. LMAO! The way this video just went over their heads. I cannot believe the number of folks who let everything John said go through one ear and out the other without any comprehension.
He didn't say anything new or unique. Disney removed John Boyega from posters in China. A bit racist eh? 🤷🏽♂️
OK, racist.
@@j2174 whatabouttism
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Campea just declared War on The Fandom Menace.
I love how you approached this. Well done John, I 1000% agree with everything you had to say. This shit has gotta stop, these are REAL people, it is reprehensible and pathetic.
I don't know you nor ever watched your channel I don't even watch star wars but I heard about this tragedy recently and wanted to know more and based on what you said im subscribing to you based on your comment of willing to lose subscribers for standing up for something right. You got my upvote.
The funniest thing is the performance was a stepping stone to the climax of her character arc. She was the angrier character in the show and yet she couldn't step into the Darkside when it came time to.
I liked her performance. How could we judge how well she can act by only two episodes?
Agree with everything you said, just want to take a minute to call out people who try and fain reasonablity: labelling any example of a non-white, non-male etc. Charecter as forced diversity is bigoted, labelling it as a diversity hire is also bigoted (if there isn't direct evidence it is a diversity hire, which there never is). Our world is diverse, and our art should be also, there's nothing forced about that. These are nothing more than attempts to make racism, sexism and homophobia seem legitimate.
The way SW fans are trying to gaslight her and say it’s not racism, they don’t like her character while she posted on Instagram being called the n-word.🙄
People should appreciate these actors and actresses because without them we wouldn't even have a Obi-Wan Kenobi series.
That's why racist people are so perplexing to me ..... what do you get out of hating someone for only the color of their skin
If they really knew what color Jesus was
The people disliking this for what John said are the very people that need to unsub. You're not wanted.
@@mikejunior211 Calling out shitty people for being shitty isn't virtue signaling, kid.
Watching her performance gave me T-1000 meets General Zod vibes, which to me is a good thing. And the way she drops that bomb on Obi at the end of the episode, oof! The Dark Side is all about anger and passion and jealousy. She communicated all of that very well IMO.
I totally dug her character in these two episode so I was a bit shocked to hear the negative reactions and the nature of those reactions. I thought we were past this BS in the fandom.
I like the comparison. I agree.
@@Shawn.Mathew nuthin. Quit 11 years ago. how bout you?
Jake Lloyd, Hayden Christensen, Ahmed Best, John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Kelly Marie Tran, Moses Ingram. As a massive Star Wars fan this is a blight on all of us and awful to hear about.
This might be a very unpopular opinion: I LOVED KELLY MARIE TRAN AS ROSE, I LOVED HER CHARACTER, but I couldn't understand why all the hate towards the actress. I know that The Last Jesi was pretty divisive and controversial but why harassing a person? I didn't know about John Boyega's situation and now I do I feel sorry for him because obviously he didn't deserve that, Kelly didn't deserve that and definitely Moses Ingram doesn't deserve this. All of us deserve to be respected and sadly a part of the star wars fandom is ignoring that. Now, as for Moses's character... Come on!! It's been only TWO EPISODES! Her story arc is just beginning so what's the point of being so toxic?!
How she was written made no sense at all, I'm glad that you liked but for me it was a deservice for the actress, that being said I would not waste my time attacking someone i don't know on social media over something out of the their control, and I have no idea why people do that.
@@glcsander "I saved you, dummy. That's how we're gonna win, not destroying what we hate. Saving what we love" dude you can't deny that was a great line.
There was nothing wrong with Kelly Marie Tran it's just that Rose had no arc and we spent a big portion of the movie following her to nowhere
@@lincoln2324 I'm pretty sure she wanted to help destroy the First Order and bring down rich dudes....THAT SHE HATED FOR RUINING HER LIFE
After all that hate the actors for Jar jar and Anakin got. Every actor should be aware of what Star Wars can do to your image and health...
Has there been anyone who has gone on to do well after star wars since Ewan Mcgreggor? Even he was arguably already a star when he took the role. It’s a always been a poison chalice
@@Rumblefiah Career wise? I’d say daisy Ridley Adam driver John boyega and Oscar Isaac. But then again, they (especially daisy and John ) also got treated like shit by some of the fandom
racism is unfortunately a large part of any black or poc persons lives. It sucks our identities are politicized no matter how harmless we are. she is just doing her job 😢
As a black person it is not a “large part” of my life. I respect your comment but try not to generalize all of us as victims
I just have to say, mad respect has to go to you for mentioning those that spin certain responses like this to turn it into a blanket "They're calling the fans racist for daring to criticize!" statement and bringing up that they're clearly more mad that they themselves are being called out for being those racists. A big problem among people who behave like that is that they themselves don't and will most likely never view any of what they're saying as racist. They'll always put it under different names to try and soften the blow and when they can't? They simply conjure defenses that basically amount to "The internet is a nasty place and if you can't handle being called a slur fifteen hundred times in under an hour then you're too sensitive and should get off the internet." 90% of the time. That being said, they also are loud and regardless of if they're one idiot screaming from the back of the room? It gets hard to ignore at a certain point. Not to mention they have clout so the average joe who has no idea what's going on might just see what they're saying, not realize how awful that person actually is and suddenly get spurred into believing that they themselves are being called racist and will never follow the source to decide for themselves.
This isn't just a problem with Star Wars fandom, it's basically endemic to most popular fandoms. This disgusting twisting of the already ridiculous statement of "The customer is always right" and even just basic tenets of criticism taints so many discussions and frames quite a few of the hardworking men, women and everyone outside and in-between as nothing more than robots who are programmed to move and talk a certain way for nothing more than our amusement that aren't supposed to talk back or acknowledge toxicity in any capacity which is something that needs to change starting primarily with how people acknowledging this need to stop with the "My problem wasn't that..." nonsense. No one and I should stress this, NO ONE is stating otherwise. If you dislike a performance for reasons that aren't objectively horrible like racism and aren't parroting any of those ridiculous talking points? You do not need to say anything or at least not in that fashion. Disney is not calling everyone who dislikes or even hates the performance racist, John isn't calling you racist. In fact, he has worded his statement in such a way to where anyone who has a good head on their shoulders can realize "Oh he isn't talking to me, he is shifting between talking to regular film fans and the shitty racists who are probably already fuming about how he isn't endorsing their actions.". The best course of action you can do is provide a big hearty middle finger to those racist assholes or do what's seen here, acknowledge that you have criticisms but that those stop with the character and speak with a loud and blunt voice that those who stoop to the low of attacking an actor in this manner because they dislike a character are people who deserve to be booted the fuck out of the fandom.
I find it really weird why racists actually like Star Wars. The entire OT was about a group of people made up of different races and species taking down the empire which seemed to be run by entirely middle aged to old white men.
Don't forget the discrimination of droids.
@@levelup4409 yeah and all the none human aliens were mostly on the outer rim so it’s clear they aren’t welcome in the empire
Sometimes people try to make political hay over franchises they don't really care about. Gee, where has that happened before?
These nerds need lives
Not the ‘cousin humpers’ lmao 🤣 you’re hilarious! I liked Reva. Slightly one note, I can agree, but I’m waiting to see her story unfold. Her determination and calculative intentions to find Obi Wan read well. The fact that she knows Vador is Anakin, that alone is intriguing. But everyone’s opinion is their own and is respected. Keep up the great show Campea!!!
The actor who voice jar jar banks was bullied too he almost jump off a bridge because of it he talked about it in a interview it’s sad what actors have to go through because people can’t stop being rude
star wars fans dont send death threats to black/asian actresses challenge(impossible)
There is a toxic incel segment of star wars fandom. They have abused Rian Johnson, John Boyega, Hayden Christensen, and even George Lucas himself. These racists and bullies are not representative of all Star Wars fans. It's just that some aspects of nerd culture tend to attract fringe society no lifers and they become so invested in the fantasy that any diversions from their expectations are met with attack. However, all that being said, I refuse to overlook a poorly written and directed character of any color. I personally have not been impressed by the character but that is no reason to attack the actress.
You refuse to overlook poorly written characters, but defend Rian Johnson of just being a victim of toxic incels because the movie was poorly written and directed. Quaint. Criticism is not bullying, I know you probably take it that way, my post might even be an attack on your character in your mind, but Last Jedi was not awful because it deviated from my "expectations." It was just poorly done. Wonder if he is still getting his trilogy, what ever happened to that?
He was not abused because people did not enjoy the movie and correctly blamed him for the result of that given his direction (or lack thereof) was the inherent issue. And even if he was, he started attacking fans too. So even if your questionable logic was true, at a certain point, he was basically asking for it. No idea why anyone not looking for conflict would antagonize people already "abusing" them. I guess that makes more sense than the Last Jedi did, though, so it is possible, I will admit.
Comparing this to the actual abuse or genuine racism some Star Wars actors and actresses have endured is disgusting. You are belittling their experience. That is far more toxic than throwing a fit because I didn't appreciate a movie as much as you did.
@@MoonShocked Not liking the Last Jedi is one thing abusing and threatening the director is another. Apparently you were one of those people. I hated the Last Jedi thought it was the worst movie in the entire Star Wars series. But I never threatened or abused the director online like many others. But apparently you condone that. Apparently, I touched a nerve with my comment. Usually that means there is truth to it. also, the comparison you allegedly find disgusting is a pattern of toxic behavior racist or otherwise that the fringe segments of the fandom impose on actors, directors creators etc. That is not how you critique something you dislike, by threatening and bullying the parties involved. Your justification of the behavior further proves you were one of the main perpetrators of it. Rian Johnson's reaction to his abuse was not more reason to attack and threaten him. He chose to react the way he did but it was a REACTION not an action. In the end, this is a fantasy genre of entertainment and it's super silly to be so invested that you resort to such behavior. Find more meaning in your life.
@@MoonShocked dude where are your reading comprehension skills? What the Op said is correct. You just sound like you're making excuses for toxicity and racism. Quaint🙄
In all fairness Rian Johnson did a horrible job in his Star Wars film. He didn't deserve death threats or personal attacks. But he definitely deserves criticism for his terrible movie.
@@serrahighsfinest Agreed.
I don't even know how stuff like this still happens, it blows my mind that people can just be inhuman and not decent in respect and kindness. After what happened in Buffalo with that scumbag who specifically targeted black people and this coming so soon after it really disgusts me.
It's perfectly ok to not like a character, it's also one thing to then go and throw racist and disrespectful messages the way of the actress who is in no way at fault for it. We haven't even seen the full arc of the character and people are already acting like she has ruined the entire Star Wars universe. No one can just be patient, as even Obi-Wan has told Anakin many times before, "Patience" is all that's needed to understand why she is the way she is.
Idk when people are going to learn, people just get mad and complain about anything that doesn't need or deserve it. I've already seen the CZcams videos get thrown out from garbage CZcams channels talking about this in the negative light and being manipulative about her character. It disgusts me and has to stop...!
I really don’t know what it’s going to take.
@@LoneWulf278 me neither man, me neither...
Sadly some level of racism will always exist. All we can do is try our best
@@MegaDudeman21 unfortunately yes...
@@ChildOfTheWilderness Agreed! 👏🏽👏🏽
Today I am proud to be a John Campia viewer. Thank you John, for saying what desperately needs to be said!
These folks to this day still get a feeling of disgust and resentment just at the sight of a black person. So the Star Wars and Lotr racist fandom backlash isn’t surprising. But man as a black fan myself it sure can be exhausting
These people act as if Mace and Lando don't exist 🤦🏾♂️
Thank you John, this means alot ❤️
Thanks for putting this out there John and for your integrity!
Respect. We need more CZcamsrs with large followings to do this. Tired of these people.
Some Star Wars fans are the absolute worst.
ffs.. theres no need for this kind of behaviour
Love how John didn’t hold back
As a Black/Puerto Rican man, I salute you John. Thank you for your clarity on this subject.
I believe we all need to stop looking at everything black and white and unite as one people
Yes 100%💯
There was nothing in the first two episodes that indicated that they casted her for diversity. Same for John Boyega. She is an actress that was casted in a TV show and happens to be black. That’s why I would look at you funny, if you get bothered and say that “they’re doing it for diversity” yet there’s nothing here that indicates that. Also people don’t even listen to everything that creators say. John didn’t say that this was a large part of the Star Wars fandom. He literally said it’s a small percentage but that they’re very vocal.
And if they did cast her for diversity, what in this case is wrong with that?
I half agree with you. First of all, none of the right leaning CZcamsrs I follow have accused her of being a diversity hire, but I don't doubt that someone somewhere has. I think it's a sign of oversensitivity, but I can understand it. When dozens of prominent and powerful people in Hollywood tell you that they're going to hire more minorities for the sake of having more minorities, it's easy to assume that's what's going on even when it isn't.
It's great to watch your shows not just for the great content, but also because of the though and reason of the whole cast of tjcs in a world where everyone feels they have to be pleased in every aspect of their lives
Appreciate your comments. Diversity is our greatest gift, and our seeming need to judge people based on their race, gender, or orientation, rather than on their behavior, is our greatest shame.