Why everyone Hates Sportsters(883 Test Drive)
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Harley introduced the Sportster in 1957. You don't keep producing
a model for over sixty years because "everyone hates it".
Yeah it’s the same way with meat and stuff, you just don’t
It's nice to see someone with common sense
I've had a sportsters to road king and honestly I'll take a sportster over them all
You can do so much to a 883 and I love it if you wanna make your sportster a bagger that goes long distance you can do that and not spend 30 grand upfront you can do it slowly or don’t do it at all some people are just haters I love my 883
@@randomguy8476 lmao
the Harley-Davidson Rebel not to be confused with the Honda Sportster
😂😂😂
That’s what I was thinking too
Have I been saying rebel
whatever..anyways both bikes a awesome.
Hahaha
What you CAN do when you own just the Sportster is continue to feed your family, pay your mortgage, own a car...
You have no idea how much i don't care what others think of my 883 when i'm on it.
Same here
Same
AMEN!!!!!!
People love my Snake venom 883
I feel the same way with my ironhead
What's with the title? Lots of people love Sportsters!
It's not what he's writing, it's where he's going... on his rebel.
Lotsa people love 1200's. What do 883's push...like 48hp? No offense, just another rando opinion.
@@ima_cringy_tryhard yeah the extra 320ci gets you 6 hp
Clickbait...
This entire channel is click bait, he's a salesman.
They won't make it a 6 speed because then some people wouldn't buy the bigger bikes
This bike would be fun with a 6-speed transmission.
I get around 37 MPG cruising at 90-95 mph on the interstate on my 5 speed Dyna. That 6th gear is only necessary if you want to go over about 125 mph or you really like to lug the engine, starving it of oil and wearing it out prematurely!
They were 4 speeds and chain up to 1990. I had one. Changed to 5 speed and belt in 1991
@@johnschnellbach986 partially true, they had belt drive pre 1990 as well, I had an 89 883 that was belt drive
Sportster are arguably one of the most loved bikes
Thats a tough ass post it note
Hell yeah. On a wet gas tank no less
DAN DAN THE DISCOUNT MAN
@Vin Commons WE SWITCHED TO CHEVY
@Bunnyshooter 223 NO BOOK KNOWLEDGE
CUZ I'M GOOD LOOKIN
@@deanmlshredder👉🍌🍌🦍
Anyone else just impressed with how well the sticky note stayed on the tank? lol
yup lol
Yep it's from the pussies mum says be careful son I love you
Haha calling the Sportster a Rebel for 2 minutes probably didn't convince a lot of Sportster haters to come around.
I never got the hate. I live in Chicago. The 883 is a decent city traffic bike. Riding a Street Glide or some larger bike in city traffic is annoying. Those are highway bikes.
Your point about having different bikes for different purposes should be well heeded.
I live on a tiny island where the top speed limit is 40mph (barely any roads) so the 883 makes sense for me haha. Plus I'm a small lady.
I love Sportsters 883 or 1200.
I ride a Softail Deluxe.
Would absolutely have a Sportster as an only bike.I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks.
A '93 Sportster 883 is my only bike. It's been my only bike since '93 and, like you, I don't give a damn what anyone thinks!
Had mine 40 years,and will pass it on to family when I die in ten or so years.
20 year old son buying his first harley, 100 anny 883, we have 05 Road King and 18 steeet bob, very...excited for him, he can't stop talking about, told him I cant wait to ride it...God bless you all.
Ridden most Harleys a stripped down Sportster is most fun.
If it has two wheels you will have a blast plain and simple
Lost my dyna about 3 yrs ago to the repo man, had to quit my job to enter chemo and radiation treatments. BEAT stage 3 lung cancer, still not 100% but getting better. Hopefully gonna get another bike soon? Buddies ask me what kind, I tell em the kind thats got two wheels and handlebars.... Its all about the ride.........
@@jamesmoore3346 god bless you. Amen. How are you doing now?
@@chefmax922 I go 5/5/20 for my next 6month check up, as of now I 'holding steady', no signs of the cancer. Currently being treated for damage to my lower back, good bit of nerve pain but the doctor stated I should see good results in about a month. Guess the cancer left me less than perfect, lol. Pulled a muscle, sliped a disc. Disc is back in place but x-rays show a good bit of degeneration of vertebrate and disc's. Radiologist told me it is due to the massive amount of radiation. He stated a term 'thinning of the bone', a direct relation to the radiation. If everything goes as planned I could be close to my old self soon. Currently, other than the back issue I would say I'm about 65-70% of what I was before cancer. I would love to return to my work but as of now it looks as if that's not going to happen. I still function just a lot slower. I know I'll never be 100% but at least I'm still on the top side of the grass and I thank God for that......not bad concidering they had told me I had about 90 days to live, thats about 5-1/2 years ago....no retreat, no surrender.......my heart and prayers go out to all who are in the battle, it is nothing nice......
@@jamesmoore3346 how old are you?
Haven't had the hate, love my iron 883, never been a part of the whole image thing. I ride what I like for the last 50 years. I also ride my zuma 50 and love it too.
me to mate i ride fatboy klr 650 honda ct 110 i love them all 👍👍👍
I LOVE Sportsters.....They are the hotrod Harley!
that would be the HD VRod.
@Andrew Almond 😂
I geared my 76 xlch top end because 1000 is enough power to get off the line anyway.
I've had my 883 for 25 yrs & I still love her!
The 883 Iron is a damn fine motorcycle. It's very affordable and reliable. It can run around town, or go interstate speeds. And it's damn good looking. So there, I said it.
Heith Watkins but the range is only like 100 miles? That’s killing me.... CBR500 has double the range.
@@kw.g who cares about range in motorcycles? You are not going to daily drive it
Juhani Tanskanen I’m going to ride it daily...
@@kw.g swap the tank..wats the deal? 😎
@@kw.g they also come stock with 4.5 gallon tanks. Ive only run it to empty twice and it was dead nuts at 200 the first time and 180 the second.
5 speed Sportsters weren't available until 1991, so not 4 or 5 decades...
My 1979 XLH is a 4 speed, so yeah. I just love these self proclaimed experts too. Thanks for pointing that out bro.
@@Joe-kb1sm Looked through this thread for these two specific comments
Yup. My brand new 1990 883 Sportster had a 4 speed
Right, I had an 1989 1200 sportster it was a 4 speed
My 73 was a 4 speed. I loved that bike.
Love my sportster, everything I need in a small package. Sportsters Rule 🤙
The Freudian slips had me laughing!
The pink note was to remind you it was not a Honda rebel.
Rebel 883
Honda Davidson
Aaron Blossfield REBEL THIS DICK
It's ok, Aaron doesn't ride anyway, just trolls from mommy's basement...
He called a Harley a rebel 10x 😂
I had so much fun on my Sporties I have to admit. Just got sick of Assholes calling it a Chick or Poor Mans bike.
Bricklinsv1970 I rode (and still own it) a Honda shadow for years. Guys at work used to give me so much crap over it. “Buy a real bike...” Funny enough my bikes are the only ones I ever see parked in the parking lot
I've owned many the Harleys and bought a brand new 06 Honda Shadow 1100 Shadow Spirit. Best bike I ever owned. I have 45,000 + miles on it and nothing major has gone wrong. Runs like day #1 still. I think it will out live me and I'm 48 years old. great bike! And fast!
Bricklinsv1970 heck yeah. Mine is a little 750, but absolutely great bike. Well balanced, great lean angle, super reliable. I’m currently on a 2012 Dyna
Bricklinsv1970 My son has an 06 1100 Spirit too. His has been very reliable over the past 12 years and 40+k miles too. My 04 Harley Softail has been at least as reliable with only clutch cable in the past 14 years and 55k miles. It's not what you ride, it's where you're going.
Sportster is pure fun!👍
Click bait title, i learned nothing.
Haha haha you learned that honda has the sportster .
Shawn, love the videos, but $120 for a pair of those gloves is ridiculous bro. Make them affordable so we can afford them
Hey thanks for watching the channel. I ve paid over 300 for good set of gloves. There are alot of cheap gloves out there. But the M1 Moto gloves are not. These were really expensive to make because of the materials that we put in them. I will be wearing these gloves almost every day when I ride and I value my hands. So I wanted the best
@@Srkcycles too bad they are ugly
I wear leather work gloves from home depot. Under $20.
I would never want another rider to go down, but if you did and tried to brace yourself with your gardening gloves they would be picking asphalt out of your palms. Not to mention the friction burns.
$120 for that kind of quality is cheap! His gloves are overkill
You said Rebel so many times that I was starting to think you meant it 😀
Haha...rebel. I agree 100% though. The sportster is perfect for zipping around the barrio and just blasting the boulevard.
lol the barrio. you must be loco
Kept saying rebel instead of sportster
I'd guess he made a Rebel review the same day.
Rebels.
Beets.
Battlestar Galactica.
Wish you would film a walk around of these bikes so we can get a good look at them.
The move I watch and learn about the Sportster, the more I like it's simplicity. It's not a big bike but there's a kit you can do with the Sportster.
After 3 years on my Sportster, I wanted it to have a bigger engine, an extra gear, a little more comfort, and a more solid ride.
Answer: DYNA. Ding ding ding!!
The Sportster is great at being what it is.
Yo I am same ,had 2 Sportys a 89 ( 4 speed )and a 92 .last 15 years been on a FXDWG.
BluesriderDF yea Dynas are dope.
I love my Sportster it’s an amazing ride!
You killed me at “ who can endure it!!”
Hang on, where's the link for the gloves again?
I have a 2002 883 Sportster and it vibrates so bad I can't ride it more the 30 minutes without my left hand going numb. It also need you to tighten down the bolts all the time, because it vibrates them lose. Just yesterday the shifter bolt cam lose and had to slip the clutch to get some where to put the bolt back. He is right you need a second bike to go with a sportster, but then again why not just buy the other bike and leave the sportster at the dealership. I really don't see any place this bike fits in. If you are a beginner I suggest you get a dirt bike and go to the trails. It teaches you to handle a bike and what to do when surprises show up in front of you. You will crash but you will be going 15 to 20 MPH and it won't kill you. The move up to a used 500 cc bike and ride it around to see if you want to get out in traffic. Remember that car is 5 feet away and it will kill you. Then if you want bigger pass on the sportster and go to the big bike. Ride it around the neighborhood for a while to get use to the weight and then hit the open road. But as far as this sportster I find no use what so ever for it. As he said it isn't fast and it isn't quick and you don't want to be on it for very long time. Just my opinion of the sportster.
David I'm just telling my experience with this dumb bike. As far as continuing to make the bike it's a Harley. They are riding on their name. They make the 750 and 500 still and I hear there bigger junk then the 883. But they have the Harley name on them. People seem to only look at the name when buying the bikes. But in my opinion Harley makes sorry bikes in comparison to other bikes. And their expensive. But I don't look at the name, I look at the quality of the ride, the power and speed of a bike. I'm not a sheeple. Even the guy in the video said that you would want to have a second bike if you owned a sportster. These are not my words, but the man in the videos. Now I'm not saying that you can't buy a Harley 883. Hell go right ahead. As I said these are my experiences and opinions of the 883. But for me, unless there are major changes at Harley which I dought will ever happen, this Harley will be the last Harley I will ever own. But anything you get have a nice ride.
David Harley doesn't build bikes that all people want. They build the bikes they want and then expect the people to buy them because they are Harley's. That is apparent in the fact they only build "V" twin. Now the Japanese manufacturers build that "V" twin if that is what you want. They also build a "V" 4. They build a straight 2 and Honda just came back out with the old straight 4 cylinder. Honda even builds an opposing 4 for their gold wing. You see they build a variety of engines for different people. But David if you don't believe me and want an 883 TYA. I would suggest getting the bigger cruiser because I think they puts some rubber mounts on them to cushion the blow of those big pistons going up and down, but if its the 883 you want...….ok. Just sayin.
So true. I had a 2016 XL1200C and I was always having to retighten the shifter lever bolt and apply lock tite to keep it from vibrating out.
883 is a fun Harley to ride and own. It gets you in to the Harley Davidson family. You can always upgrade and put the 1200 cc jug kit on it!
Why not get the hammer performance 1275 kit? Its better performance for less money
Love my 98 sporty have no desire for anything else.
250 or 450 rebel?
Lol got his marbles mixed up.
Wth are you talking about???😂😂
The Honda 450 rebel is a more desired bike....very few left. I think they made them 2 years 86...87..I think.
@@chuckbowen4334 correct but a rebel has nothing to do with this video lol
@@chuckbowen4334 proud owner of an '87 450 here ;) Great bike. Hauls buns up to about 60mph and will hold 70 alllll day. Sad it only had a two year run.
The 883 HD is like the Honda Civic of the motorcycle industry. Tons of mods and super cheap.
My first bike was a ‘03 HD Sportster Hugger. Short pipes, powder coated black, and super fun to ride. Enough speed and torque to be fun, but not enough to get a beginner into too much trouble (~95mph max).
Why do people hate on Sportster? Simple= compensating.
It’s not what you ride but where you’re going, he rides everything he can get his hands on and goes nowhere. What does that say? I’m genuinely curious.
Where you're going I believe is a reference to Heaven or Hell
That’s so plain to see, if it were a snake it would’ve bit me. Thanks man!
Not sure why so many don't like them. Mine is my boy hood dream and I ride it everywhere! For real, I do. Even a 7 hour trip each way for lunch and then right back in the same day. Btw, I was the only one that rode a bike on that trip. Everyone else were in cars.
Back in 78 I bought a new 79 XLH. Some of my friends had bikes, among them a 900 Kaw, a 550 Kaw, a Honda 750 and a couple had dirt bikes. No judgement ever, we bought what we liked and what worked for us. Harley's weren't the big image thing back then. Sure there was somewhat of an image but I was a 21 yr old kid driving around with Levi's, converse athletic shoes and a Lasobek Harley Davidson t shirt. Only leather was my belt. Other Harley riders still waved and complimented my shiny red sportster. Some congratulated me on getting a new bike. The point is these are all opinions. There are certainly faster bikes but what if you don't want to go fast? There are certainly bikes that are more refined but what if you don't mind the vibration and extra maintenance? If you enjoy every minute you are on your bike then you own the right bike. I have read opinion pieces on Sportsters over the years and this is the first time I've commented. Harley makes Sportsters because people like them and buy them. If you don't like them then just don't buy one. Harley's aren't built for everybody, never were. But whatever you do, do not buy for image unless you just want to look at the bike sitting in your garage. Riding the wrong bike sucks. So if you are in the market go test drive every bike in the category you like that you can. One will stand out from the rest. The only opinion that counts is yours.
I wasn't aware that Harley Davidson made anything other than a Sportster!
the only harleys that matter AKA sportster
As far as the 3.3 gallon gas tank is concerned, I have one on my 2005 Sporty and I love it. Switching to a 4.5 gallon tank would require a different seat and move me back 1.5". I know this because my bike came with an additional seat from a 1200 custom and it not only showed a gap behind my 3.3 gallon tank and the seat, it made me stretch farther to reach the handlebars. This affected the handling and my lower back in a bad way. Also, the extra 1.2 gallons of gas in a full tank makes the bike more top heavy. I'm vertically challenged with short arms and short legs. I love my smaller tank.
As far as the buckhorn style handlebars are concerned, I disagree about my wrists falling naturally into that position. I had a Honda Magna with "buckhorns" and my right wrist started to ache about 30 minutes into a ride because I was not twisting my wrist toward me, I was twisting inward toward the gas tank. My lower stock handelebars on my standard Sporty are perfect. I can ride for hours with no problems at all with my wrist or lower back (see the note above regarding the 4.5 gallon gas tank).
The only other bike that came close to my standard Sporty was my 1983 Suzuki GS650 GL. The mid-controls and handlebars were the same. I've been riding since 1964 on a bunch of styles of motorcycles from different countries. Granted, by body size (5'6" tall) puts me in a unique group but this is what works for me. It may not work best for everyone else but I've tried the cruiser slouching, hands in the air position with the arms hugging and it may look cool on Main Street, but definitely not for going on long trips in the mountain twisties.
And speaking of mountain twisties, my little 883 with the shorter gears loves them and only tolerates the interstate which is perfect for my style of riding.
It isn't called the SPORTster for nothing. Did I say I love my bike?
Its a sportster brah
Sean, for the record: Sportsters got five-speed transmissions in 1991; prior to that it was a four-speed. Belt drive came along in 1993. My first Sportster was an '86 883 with a four-speed. It was great! Rode it all over hell. My latest is a '96 five-speed, belt-drive which is...nicer...I guess...but I'd own that '86 again in a heartbeat if not for those damn, ugly curved rear fender struts. Yuck.
The exhaust looks like a good leg burner LOL. Pretty neat though
Beats walking .. who cares what others think
Lost me when you were saying rebel.. test ride so many you forgot huh? lol 😂
That exhaust sounds sick! The reason Harley Davidson only makes the sportster in the 5-speed is because it's meant to just cruise around town on & geared low.
Bullet proof gloves huh? You need to team up with Demolition Ranch and find out.
Thank you for saying buckhorn, I'm always trying to think of that -horn word, my mother didn't let her baby grow up to be a cowboy.
Not everyone, I own a 2017 1200 Custom Sportster and it freaking rocks...
I’ve had a 2001 Harley Sportster and a 2001 Harley Ultra at the same time, I now have a 2003 Goldwing and a 1985 Honda Shadow. It all depends on whether you’re going to ride for 3 days or 3 hours, it’s also nice to just ride what you’re in the mood to ride. If you’re not worried about having new bikes, you can have a lot fun for very little money.
You make a lot of sense my friend. I'm the fortunate owner of a 1989
H.D. E Glide Classic which I've had for thirty years and I take very good
care of it both mechanically and motorwise. If I had a sportster sitting
next to it my riding time would probably at least double.
I just work on my bike when my spirit is damaged
I work on my bike when its spirit is damaged.
I’m more interested in that sticky note on the fuel tank. It’s more reliable than this bike
My Ironhead had those exhaust but the previous owner couldnt find them
Actually I think I would like this bike. Good looking, sounds great. Fun run around bike. I see a lot of custom interpretations with the Iron 883. Build it your way and have fun.
As another commenter mentioned. I absolutely love my 883. Its a bike that i can own and still be able to live,pay bills,raise my kids. A motorcycle is a toy. Something to enjoy and have fun with. Its not an essential item. For that reason i think a well maintained 883 is by far the best value out there. I am not in the place to spend 20-30K on a bike and even if i was i wouldn't do it. That's just me. hey to each is own!!! Thanks for the video
Love my ‘02 Sporty 883 Hugger. Lots of compliments wherever i go. Wouldn’t trade it, but would get a 2nd bike, something a little bigger and quicker for longer rides, like maybe a Road King.
had my sportster since 2012 and I have never had one problem with it...I love it and will never give it up.
Honestly i always hated the gearing on the 883s. Always felt like you where in the wrong gear. Then yamaha came out with the bolt...... And the sportster became obselete in every way
How do you figure the sportster is obsolete?
Got a 883 modified to Stage 1. I love it. At a stop light it speaks English, potato, potato, potato.
Something sketchy going on within the Matrix. 5 minutes prior to watching this video I was looking at parts to fit onto my Rebel classic from a Sportster 883 as I want to do a replica build (I don't have a full license so I'm limited to what I can ride). I came here looking for videos to watch on Sportsters so I can get it right, and here we are.... Mind blown.
I bought one in 2004. Loved it for short rides. Anything 350 miles or more it would leave your butt numb for hours! A serious case of the " Numb A$$"!!!
I don't think that because someone feels there is a better value for their dollar that it means they hate what they didn't choose.
I had a 2013 883 and traded it for a 2016 Strretbob. What a mistake I made!
Are you serious?? Love a dyna
Absolutely, the Streetbob was a nightmare. It was a dud from the factory. It spent more time in the shop than on the road. Also it was only about 10mph faster top end than the sporty. I could slam the sporty into corners, the dyna had a weird speed wobble above 85 mph, and blew up 2x before 5k miles.
J. Lyons Does the street bob have the evolution motor?
Ryan Bruneau twin cam 103’
Motorcycle enthusiasts like the 883. Bikers do not. I personally love the sportster line-up.
Haters gonna hate...
Love my 883l its a blast to ride. Especially like you said for them short drives when you just need to get their.
My 88 Sporty is a 4 speed. I don't think they have been 5's for 4-5 decades
When I was 17 to 19 years old I thought the Sportster was the coolest best looking bike HD made. I bought a brand new one when I was 19 in 2003. Back then they was 5800 bucks for a XL883. Kept and rode it for 10 years. Never let me down once. Bad back so I had to upgrade to a Dyna Wide glide
That exhaust looks like someone could only afford a half set of pipes.
i actually love that exhaust.. it works with the rest of the bike's aesthetic i think
I use it for commuting. 50 mpg on a $3500 bike with 1500 miles. I have to ride it 40 days a year to pay for the bike and upkeep.
I really like my sportster 883. But when did Harley make a Rebel? Are you st stuck on Honda's.
Where is the glove link? I am in the market for a new pair!
Man I love that you quote scripture in all your videos that is one thing that I have noticed and really appreciate because some of them have hit home pretty close
Its corny
I don't hate em,but I sat on one when I went to get my first bike and my knees were in my chin.Like em or not they have been many of peoples first bikes and when a non Harley owner hears Harley Davidson a Sportster is the image that they have in their head.
My iron is definitely my daily bike because I live in the city. Especially when its cheaper on gas and it is easy to park on any street for free for 12 hours just slide in between two cars. Greatest feeling ever. Smaller bikes are really a trend in urban areas by small I mean can fit in tight spaces. I will say I have only got hate from my old man who hasnt owned a bike in over two decades so I dont bother with him much. Very customizable bike and you give a lot of big twins the slip when you do a 1275 conversion. Got to love that. Light fast and loud. But always well maintained. Ride safe Y’ALL!
started on a sportster, moved to Fatboy and now Road King but plan to get another sportster for fun. Really miss the simplicity of that bike and the mod options.
Anyone else impressed by how strong that sticky note is holding onto the bike?
Seems pretty loud and fast for a Rebel hahah
What advice would you give a avid rider getting back into the community after 22 years. Trying g to relearn but only have access to a bike every other weekend. And by biggest hurdle it s shifting into 1st. I know the mechanics, but the implementation is off.
@Edward Valentino Sounds like a used Triumph Bonneville 865cc would be perfect for you. Although if you mean "Harley Davidson" community instead of "motorcycle" community, just get a used Sportster I guess.
Love the sound.
My dad owns a Harley Sportster 1200T super low and it’s great. Very low vibration, it’s heavy, comfortable, and has a lot of power. There’s nothing wrong with sportsters just get the right one.
My first bike was an 883 sporty and it was a 4 speed. I loved the bike but it really didn't like to cruise at highway speeds. 65 mph was about as fast as you could cruise on that bike. I loved that bike but I couldn't keep up with my buddy's.
I had a non-motorcycle riding co-worker once comment that he thought my choice of an Iron 883 was "stupid" because it was a smaller Harley. It's hard to express how little I care about his opinion and how pathetic it sounded coming out of him
You're waving your hands around as if you are going to cast a spell on it.
The sportster is a misunderstood bike. Sportster were originally made for dirt track racing.
poor fellow a man that knows bikes! I get annoyed when people say it’s a girls bike when in reality the sportster goes back to when men had balls of steel.
I'm not really a Harley guy but this is true. I went to A LOT of flat track racing in the 70's and 80's in north Florida and one thing you could count on was that if there were 40 entries at Barberville or Memorial Stadium then 38 or 9 of them were going to be XR750's. That's just the way it was, Harley owned flat track back then.
Sir every time you fwak that clutch i lose a minute of my life
My wife and I went from Seattle to Indianapolis and back tweet trip 5039 miles on a Sportster
great ride
My spirits been broken by this video. One minute, 23 seconds. Such a low bar.
The only guys who hate Sportsters are guys who don't own a bike at all or the macho man ego trip bagger owners. Some guys feel that you need an 850 pound two wheeled Cadillac to enjoy riding. BS!
Sportsters look so much better with low bars, raised rear suspension, and either mid or rear controls. Man. I hate that easy rider stuff.
The only thing people hate about the 48 is that tiny peanut tank. Get a 4.5 gallon tank. People DO hate guys who ride bikes while holding a selfie stick.
Screw the haters. Love my Rebel... i mean Sportster. Lol. Got my 09 xl883c back in Dec 08. Intake, pipes, tuned. The 5spd has been great, tho at highway speeds, it utterly screams. 70mph @ almost 4500rpm. And i agree on wrists. Bar placement on the Custom is great, besides wrist angle. This is my first and only bike, and the 883 was a great choice. Plenty quick enough that you won't get into too much trouble.
Question if anyone can answer, I’m 5’9” and approximately 160 lbs. how comfortable would I be on this bike. Too big for me?
You'll be okay w stock I'm 5'10" but I dropped the front 2"& put 10" shocks on (lowered Center of gravity) easier handling
The OG Sean Kerr....