8 Myths You shouldn't Believe about Motorcycles
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I will give you my opinion on the “loud pipes save lives” as a non motorcycle driver. I don’t ride a motorcycle, but I do drive a car, and loud pipes get my attention and I instantly think: A bike is coming from somewhere, which makes me aware of the situation and start looking for where the bike is. That in my opinion makes an accident less likely. On the other hand it is scary when out of nowhere a bike passes you in a weird way(maybe too close or something) and you were not aware of it because it was very very quiet. As a car driver I actually appreciate loud pipes, makes an accident less likely to happen in my opinion.
Biggest problem on the road is cell phones. Its a threat with a deadly weapon.
This is my first year riding. Already had three close calls with morons not seeing me and cutting me off while they yap on their cell phones.
Cell phones - I like to call them the Electric Crack Pipe. People care more about their Electric Crack Pipe than paying attention to what's going on around them.
@@biggreen1569 It happens to cars as well. It also happens when pedestrians are so wrapped up in playing with their phone they walk into things: poles, wall, parked cars, traffic.
I've had more people try to kill me while screwing with their radio, talking to their kids in the back seat, or eating than with cell phones.
Distracted driving is distracted driving. No need to break it down to one device.
Joshua, no you haven't. You're saying that because you like to talk on your phone while you drive.
Riding fast doesn't kill or cause accidents intrinsically, it's riding beyond your own capability that catches people out and higher speeds magnify the consequences. Riding 100mph on an empty, dry, well lit motorway is actually far less demanding than riding at 30mph down a narrow, muddy country lane.
Empty well lit motorway = track:)
Lack of common sense kills any more.
As someone said"I'd not speed that kills but the instant stop"(against a wall or something I suppose)!!!😂 Enjoy your riding any keep the rubber on the road.
Till you hit that bump just right lol
True but it also depends on the Bike. Doing 100 mph on my CB1100 is fine on a empty dry well lit motorway but on my XSR 700 it was somewhat hairy due to the light weight of the bike. And you are spot on with the fact that you should try not to ride outside of your capabilities although to be fair we are often tempted to. Mind you doing 100mph on what these days is called a naked bike is never comfortable.
I dropped my motorcycle had to get a new jacket! Not a skin graph!
Cool, but graft.
I got a venn diagram on my skin
@@treeguyable -Graft.... and corruption:)
@@trevorbest I got a Fischer Projection on my skin.
A car turned left in front of me and I hit it at about 40 mph (still within the speed limit). I had a 25+ yrds slide and all I had to replace was my helmet and armour in my jacket and pants. I replaced my gloves too as they are comperatively cheap and I already had about 30.000 miles on them. I suffered no injuries at all - not even bruises. Without gear I might have ended as a peeled vegetable.
Gear does not do miracles but it works.
The theory of Loud Pipes Save Lives comes back to the idea that drivers have been known to look, left right left and not recognize a motorcycle. Also, motorcycles can be especially difficult to pick up in a blind spot or rear view mirror in general. However, loud pipes may grab the attention of those driver's and thereby save you from getting run over. I enjoy your channel, thanks Sean.
Edit: Yes, in PA the law is called "Ride on Red"
The bill, called "Ride on Red," has been signed into law by Gov. Tom Wolf. It allows drivers to exercise "due care" and make a decision to legally go through a red light. The bill was proposed because motorcycles typically do not trigger traffic light sensors that make lights turn from red to green.
I talk to text so this message is going to be ugly. I drive tractor trailer with 53' foot dry Van With a kentworth T680 sleeper cab. It's almost impossible to hear anything outside the truck with the windows up however I have noticed that I typically hear motorcycles with loud pipes before they get into my blind spot Compared to something like a Honda gold wing that I can't hear even if it's next to my window. I don't ride motorcycle however I have heard the term loud pipe save lives and at least in my personal experience driving semi it does appear to be true however I don't ride motorcycles I could be completely wrong I'm not here to argue.
Just read something too that says most fatalities ( 40%)on motorcycles are between 9 pm and 4 am...and 60% of those are intoxicated riders. I imagine that most of the others are the other vehicles drivers are drunk
Not sure. I know that most fatalities happen during evening rush hour.
If my helmet doesn't save my life, at least I'll still look good in the coffin.
assuming you look good now ... without it?
He's super sexy
"Life is short. Drive fast and leave a sexy corpse." Stanley Hudson
Very true
I am stealing this and I'm not sorry lol
My ex co-worker volunteered for an Ambulance. You are absolutely correct. Most of the biker's injuries are from asphalt burn.
Re: Myth #1: I think a lot of non-riders like to imagine that they would become a total badass biker - terrorizing the highway and busting up bars. That's not going to happen with about 99.999% of people.
I bought some HID lights for my Concours14 I used to ride. My light flasher trigger that comes on the bike made the new HID lights flicker. Something about the pulse that those lights put off using that trigger made cars notice me real quick and usually move out of the way. Bright headlights definitely help to be seen.
Re: Myth #4 Loud Pipes-After 60 years of riding bikes, I believe in using everything available to help with safety. I have found that using loud pipes really helps when I am riding on somebody's shoulder. They may not see me, but they hear me. I don't like folks who decide on sudden lane changes. I also use LED headlight bulbs and flick high/low beams coming into in intersection. Helmets are a must. Gear is crucial. Riding within your ability is important. The right bike for the right occasion. I like the way you think. Keep going.
I had a very quiet exhaust and switched it to an after market and i saw more people looking in the mirror looking for the motorcycle... I do believe louder has a better chance of other people noticing you..
I'm still out on the loud pipes, but leaning toward myth. I've had both, loud (V&H) and stock. Honestly, I think most of the risk avoidance comes down to how you ride, lane position, and situational awareness. Maybe the loud pipe guys rely too heavily on the sound of the bike to compensate for a sound road strategy?
Bottom line is riding requires greater focus and awareness than driving because you are less visible. And while loud pipes may compensate in some situations for rider complacency, nothing will make it safer than knowing what you're doing and riding in the moment. Just the opinion of a rider more than 25 years on the road.
Well yeah this makes sense. If your riding then its your responsibility to maneuver out of a dangerous situation if you see it coming and if you don't see it coming then its an accident and hopefully it doesn't bust you up too bad but I guess its up to the rider to know when to go and feel safe about riding overall.
This guy gets it
I like your analogy, but I used to ride with stock pipes. When I started riding with loud pipes, the veering into my lane and people pulling out in front of me ended. This is just my experience, I’m also a professional driver.
Maybe sometimes but mostly for people in cars with the music blasting, or certain cars that are built with noise reducing padding, or loud engines won't be able to hear a loud motorcyclist.
I drive well over 100,000 miles a year for work and I see a ton of accidents. I've seen at least a dozen wrecks involving bikes and dudes laying there just literally broken up and ground to pieces. It's beyond me why anyone wouldn't wear helmets and full gear. Trust me, once you watch someone die moaning and writhing in pain it'll change your outlook.
I've seen it, and been part of it. Still don't want to wear a helmet and only do due to law.
Vanity.
I will wear gear when I feel like I need to. Not when someone else feels like I need to. Because freedom. You don't have a right to impose your safety concerns on me.
@@andrewdugan6705 -ER services, expensive treatments, transportation, all funded by those with no skin in the game... Not riding, declare otherwise.
Only when a person like 'Million Dollar Bogan' [yt] pays his own way for Everything, does that personal responsibility thingy change the game plan.
If your helmet stinks but a better helmet. 20k bike and a 10 novelty helmet makes no sense to me but I do understand why people don’t wear them .
i have very loud pipes on my 09 raider i cannot tell if my pipes saved my life but it is good way to catch drivers attention.
Doppler effect
@@keithbland9023 That's not what the doppler effect is at all. And if you are unable to hear anything that is not directly in front of you, you should see someone about that as that is not normal. If they can't hear it, why are they complaining? One way or another, loud pipes to grab attention and that can most definitely mean something significant. It's either people complaining about loud bikes or cars, or car/motorcycle enthusiasts who hear anything with an exhaust on it a mile away and start looking for it or guessing what it is, especially if it sounds nice.
@@Sinehmatic www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/communications/3-what-is-the-doppler-effect.html
All I said was doppler effect but you certainly made a lot of assumptions.
@fragwits it is best thing for my ears and im not worried about the car in front of my but the car right beside me when wanna change the lane if they dont see me they hear me for sure
fragwits the speed of sound is approx 770 miles per hour. That mean people in front will also can hear it.
More than once I have HEARD a Harley while driving in my car before I had SEEN him in my blindspots. I appreciate the help in not killing a cyclist.
Well said, I rev because it's much louder than my danty little horn. It actually gets everyones attention
The problem with loud pipes is, the faster you're going, the less effective it is. Loud pipes work great at low speed, but that's also where a collision is less dangerous.
I did get side swiped the other day. I did think to myself th
afterward that if I had loud pipes would have prevented that, but at the same time, nothing bad actually happened. If anything, my highway bars protected me from injury and protected my bike, and fucked up his car.
So, if anything, I think highway bars are more be beneficial than pipes, since there is an actual barrier that protected me.
People that are paying attention, like yourself, would have likely noticed me, and avoided hitting me. The problem I see with loud pipes is that it can also annoy drivers and actually make the situation more dangerous, plus, they are illegal in my state, which would just get you pulled over.
Let’s use a comparison here. When a Plane is flying over head usually you hear the sound, it’s loud yes but the plane is already strait above you or past you when you hear it so kinda the same concept, the faster the bike is going the less chance you are going to hear the sound before it gets to you. It’s true there are situations were you may hear it first but the sound is behind the bike not in front of it. Yes there are circumstances that the sound may get you to notice the bike sooner than normal cause of the loud pipes but it’s not every time.
@@ChrisMonopoli I had the loudest pipes you can put on my old Dyna I just traded in. They never got me noticed unless I started the bike up and people walking nearby heard it. They would come over, admire my bike, then leave. There was absolutely no conceivable difference in people noticing me while on the road, city or highway. Not only is that sound directly behind you like you stated, car windows, and body panels are designed to block out outside noises. I could take my 2017 Harley Dyna, turn it on next to my 2017 Ford Edge, get in the car, and barely hear the loud ass bike sitting right next to it. Even when I had someone else revving the hell out of the bike. Then you combine the fact that everyone uses this thing called a radio.
Yep, they can't hear your damn loud pipes people. It is total bullshit. Loud pipes do NOT "Save lives". They are just loud pipes.
It’s time to end this loud pipes saving lives myth once and for all. Most stock exhausts have catalytic converters built in, so loud pipes add to air, AND noise pollution
Interesting statistics about the freeway. It's not the speed, it's the cars changing lanes that scares me. They might not see you and bump into the side of you. This is where the loud exhaust could come in handy. I've heard Harleys on the freeway before I even saw them approaching. I do however like quiet bikes myself and avoid the freeway. Besides, tight corners are more fun!
If loud pipes don't get you noticed then no-one should complain about them :-D
My bike is really quiet, and i actually feel a lot safer riding behind my buddy with a loud pipe. He basically clears the way for me xD
Agree, agree, agree. Kids are living proof of this. I can come upon a car at a stop light and see little heads pop up from the rear seat just to see what's behind them - smiling and pointing may I add. No worries kids, it's just my Vrod on V&Hs.
The Doppler effect...science.
If the driver would of heard me he mite of Thout 2look. He didn't look till he backed up 2late 4me DOA! TILL THEY PICKED ME UP.IF HE HERD ME HE WOULD OF LOOKED!
Loud pipes are noticed more on streets as opposed to highways due to the speed of travel. With everyone going the same direction over 65 mph the people in front of us don't hear us nearly as well as you think. Sound wave direction vs speed of travel. Add in their radio and or conversation with someone in the car.
Loud pipes.... Personally, I am always looking around me while driving. We have a pretty solid mix of sport bikes and cruisers around here. I always hear the louder pipes on cruisers coming up on me. Sport bikes I don’t hear until they are right on top of me. So while they may not save lives, I think they do raise awareness that a bike is near when people are driving.
Loud pipes can save lives. It all depends on where you're driving and what situation you're in. Loud pipes make your presence known on the road. This reduces your chance of being hit by some driver who suddenly merged into your lane without looking, or because you were in his blind spot.
In busy and small city streets where jaywalking is common (at least from where I am from), loud pipes make pedestrians think twice and look your way before attempting to cross the street. Some people just don''t know how to follow traffic rules or don't know how look both ways before crossing.
Sometimes, the horn is enough to catch attention, but other times, things just happen too quickly where you won't be able to react quick enough to reach for the horn.
They test helmets at 13MPH because that's what a 6.5' fall produces in velocity. Matters not if you are flying at 200MPH, your head is only going to hit the ground, from 6.5 feet up, at 13 mph. X axis velocity means little when talking about impacts in the Z axis.
But people can hit their heads on road signs, other vehicles, etc. Then the velocity means something
Yeah, but when you fly over the handlebars as you plough into the side of that truck that pulls out in front of you, your helmet's impact speed against the truck is gonna be more than 13 mph, unless you're very lucky.
@@dungbeetlemovies again, helmets are not to protect you from road obstacles. They are to protect against hitting your head on the road. And thats all dot and ece test for. Falling impacts, not 80mph into a stationary barrier.
@dungbeetle @Trevor Best Honestly, if you hit your head against anything directly going above 60. the only thing that will save your life is a titanium brain mount. A helmet cannot prevent your brain from smashing against the inside of your skull.
@@dungbeetlemovies then you will hit as hard as you would hit if you jumped from when the highest point of your ejection, also as you go sledding down the road after being ejected and your helmet is halfway worn through you will be glad you work the helmet
Loud pipes and Hi-Viz are in the same category. Both save lives, but only marginally. The problem with the "saves lives" statements is that they are interpreted too broadly rather than as representing say a 1-5% increase in awareness. I wear Hi-Viz because I already wear a jacket, so I might as well get that slight advantage in color choice, not because I think it will make me seen by everyone. Inattentional blindness does not work that way.
Can't usually tell what colour a motorcycle as it approaches. In traffic bright colours catch the eye, fact
@gemini232003 true, it isn't that someone didn't see you, it's that they aren't looking
Loud pipes startle drivers. Not a good thing IMO
gemini232003 Stock pipes have kept me alive for the past 40 years of riding. There’s more to road safety than obnoxious pipes.
I dont think hoping someone hears you is a good strategy, i think david p is correct loud pipes make you marginally more noticed, i would hate to rely on that to be noticed , avoidance and positioning are things that you can do , and then reliance on other people is minimized
I’m in the process of buy a bike, and I have heard that first myth from multiple people already. I crazy how some people inherently try to scare you away from things they can’t get themselves.
If you don't believe loud pipes save lives, then you also believe that everyone around you on the road is paying attention to you and the noise would not catch their attention. I think you just don't like loud pipes. I have reclaimed my lane from texters many times by reving my loud pipes.i have also been merged into the ditch on a stock cb 900 by someone that didn't hear the peep peep of my horn begging for my life at 65mph. Everyone knows I'm around on my bike even when they can't see me (LOUD PIPES DO SAVE LIVES) hope to hear you around. God Bless all especially those on two wheels.
Cool, I see your point but if you had to rev the bike you actually foresaw the danger and applied wisdom by revving the motor where someone could say get a loud or louder horn. In any even I’m hoping to start riding as soon as possible and and just being guided by all you experienced riders. Thanks for sharing bro.
Perhaps planning and forward observation would serve you better than loud pipes? Try riding an electric bike to see how much more attention you pay to the road and to others.
Sometimes I switch between stock exhaust and loud pipe on my bikes. There's not even comparison. With stock pipe nobody notices me. With exhaust installed drivers in front and sides check their mirrors and look around. They start to look around not looking at phones. Some love it some don't. If they hear and see you then you are more safe period. Loud pipes don't save lives, that ia a myth and bullshit.
@@jerzywoking1699 This comment is actually almost anger inducing. Motorcyclists have to watch everything all the time anyway.
@@jerzywoking1699 you obviously don't ride
Ok well for me loud pipes have saved me a couple of times. Once a car pulling out from a side road with the windows up and I gave my bike a nice rev, it caught their attention and they stopped quickly. In traffic a car was merging into my lane and I hit the horn. The horn had no affect and with a quick grab of the clutch and a rev of the engine they pulled back into their lane. I was just behind the drivers side door. So for me loud pipes save lives is not a myth. lol I'm not being mean or anything just sharing a few experiences where having loud pipes grabbed the attention of drivers and saved me from an accident.
Same story over here
Loud exhaust has saved my ass many times...don't care what anyone says. I've almost HIT a few bikes myself, pulling out of backroads...., as they were flying around a blind curve really fast.....I remember one time specifically, I just said to myself, "the only thing that saved that guy was that exhaust....and he probably has NO idea how close he came to getting splattered"
Same situations for me. I have had to pull my clutch and hit the throttle a couple times to get someones attention. Stock pipes wouldn't have done that for me resulting with the distracted driver hitting me or forcing me off the road.
Let me get this straight a car pulled out on yiou and your immediate response was to rev the bike? Im braking and trying to change position quickly, that is guaranteed to save you mkre times than reving the bike , what if they are day dreaming / fighting with thier wife / kids wearing headphones / listening to a really interesting podcast? Reving the bike is only useful when you pull up beside them added to a withering stare it might snap them out of wherever their brain has been, but never as a accident avoidance strategy...
@@mitchpender8113 They were taking off not completely pulled out. I changed my lane position clutched applied the rear brake some and gave it a rev. The rev let them know I was there and they quickly stopped rather than pulling on out. With cars coming from the other direction had they pulled out no amount of braking or swerving would have prevented me from either taking the ditch or hitting them. Just this last week though I had another car simply just pull right out of a gas station thankfully was no oncoming traffic and I was able to move into the other lane. Sometimes just braking or swerving works other times there just isn't a lot of time for anything.
Idk man..people on the highway notice me more when they can hear me creeping beside them
@@gunguy702 true
@@gunguy702 and to some extent for the cyclist being a jackass, the obnoxious amount of noise alerts others to his presence. I'm sure there are lots of sane riders out there. There are also a fair number of idiots out there no matter how many wheels on their ride.
@@loctite222ms you don't ride do you?
I had a Buick Roadmaster once. It had the worst blind spots ever. I once heard loud pipes on the interstate. I knew a motorcycle was close. There was more than 15 seconds where I could not see the motorcycle but I could hear him. I didn’t merge because I heard him. Had I not heard him it would have been easy for me to hit him.
I agree with this but in my experience is if someone didnt hear me and I'm beside them and they try to change lanes in to my lane while I'm THERE ALREADY I have revved my bike so they could hear and notice theres something or someone next to them and I had Vance and Hines pipes
Great job. Loved it
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When I hit the gravel on the off ramp and my bike slide off the ramp side ways, uprighted my fat boy and rode it home. Broken turn signal and my handle bars were so tweaked my throttle hand was right beside my tank. Fixed it that night. I love how the handle bars are on a bushing mount.
I have been riding since 1988 and I love and I agree with all of your examples. I've been wearing earplugs almost since day one could not imagine riding without them and my feeling about loud pipes as most of the sound is aimed behind you that's why you can be driving a car and startled when the loud pipe motorcycle goes right by you because you didn't hear it coming until it was actually passing your car on the highway
Not entirely, it depends on what pipes you have, the motorcycle you have, etc. A lot of variables.
From personnel experience riding with buddies with loud pipes it was actually the opposite regarding to loud pipes...the loudest pipes was actually our lead guy and in fact he was in almost 4 near misses because his loud pipes were actually spooking all of the deer and making them scamper around.
Loud pipes does save life. That is what I tell my wife so I can get one. So please don't say that.
Or you can just quit simping and get them.
@@kal7141 you don’t know what simping is do you?
@@jaxalexander5837 simping your own wife, that's next level moves right there
@@davidforsling2467 honestly 😂
Arguing that loud pipes don't save lives is claiming that a loud exhaust has never (not even once) caused attention to a rider on the road and kept a car from hitting into them. If in the history of motorcycle riding, a loud exhaust has at least once saved a person from being killed in an accident, the statement 'loud pipes save lives' is therefore true. But that's my opinion on the topic and I choose to have a loud pipe for safety.
My Honda was quiet for years, and when I finally made it loud I realized that cars do pay more attention to you on the road. I'd rather quiet down my bike to be honest, it gets annoying listening to it scream for hours at a time - but I honestly believe it's safer. Ride safe everyone! :)
I dont think loud pipes make a difference on highways but I definitely think they help in city/suburban driving where being better heard comes in very handy.
I wasn't going to the bathroom for 35 minutes 😭😭 I felt that one the most
Nice. If you're young, you don't think a lot about hearing. But I can tell you it's important as you get older. You're crazy not to wear ear protection. Unless in 20 years you plan on getting a hearing aid and are good with that. And no, they do not stop 100% of noise. Also the loud pipes save lives thing. Yes, I believe they do. Although 'loud' is relative. People are not accustomed to seeing one headlight, and for some reason it just does not register all the time. But they can hear the vibrations from pipes. Also, if I think about it, since I changed to louder V&H's pipes, I've never been hit by a meteor. So far, so good. :)
Speak up, I couldn't hear a thing you wrote!
Ear plugs any decent ride, all positives no negatives.
This is why this is my favorite channel. Pure unbiased toward bikes and good ol’ COMMON SENSE when it comes to bikes and riding.
Loud pipes do save lives. I can never even hear bikes beside me in my truck unless they have loud pipes.
He isn't exactly the type to entertain an opinion that is not his
It doesn't save lives unless it will save you in any situation. There are situations that doesnt help even with loud pipes. What loud pipes does do is alert other vehicles that you are around.
I remember my bike instructor in the Uk talking about riding in shorts and T-shirt’s. He said ‘it’s not a good idea but it’s up to you, if you enjoy having a nurse scrub gravel out of your skin with iodine. Go for it’.
A little addition to the tyre myth, another factor I've heard to consider is when you get new tyres you also need to give yourself time to adjust to the. Your old tyres will have wear points where you have been riding them most frequently depending how you ride. So when you get a fresh set that have no wear and are more even it can feel completely different for a few miles so give yourself time to adjust and take it easy till you are comforable and have worn them in for a few miles.
Awesome content Sean! Thank you for the knowledge, you rock!
First point is on the "loud pipes saves lives" has anyone stopped to think that most cars have great sound protection so chances are they still ain't going to hear you. Second point is on the traffic light loop if you get your engine over the wire and rev to around 5k rpm it is enough to disrupt the loop and trigger the lights.
I don't know about PA but in Illinois at least, “Motorcycles may proceed through a red light that fails to change to a green light within a reasonable period of time not less than 120 seconds”.
We need that here in PA. A few days ago, we were stuck at a traffic light for 3 minutes. We just went through it
PA does have a law for that.
PA passed that law in 2017, I proceed through red lights on my bike all the time when I get off work at 2am
My buddy had duels on his harley and was loud and has been hit by a deer and a truck ...but they do sound good ...
P&C Atkeson Do you mean the deer and the truck sounded good or the duels. 😁
Must be a good fighter with all that dueling.....
I got hit by a deer with loud pipes....I hope you are ok. Not joking about getting hit. It is not fun. I got hit on 95 and went underneath a truck. Ok now though.
@@bobmizen1 The deer had straight pies and was badass
@@jeeves6490 I saw a truck and a deer in a duel to the death. You can just guess the outcome
Just picked up a vtx 1800 w cobra pipes. Loud they are, can't wait to see if I notice any differences from yrs of riding stock exhaust on all my other bikes.
Great video! I've been putting magnets on my bikes for a long time. For some reason half of the lights in my city don't pick up bikes. Throw a magnet on it, no problem anymore.
When you are driving down the road in a car, you hear loud pipes way before you see a bike. They alert drivers to be cautious so I would say in my opinion, loud pipes do save lives.
Respectfully disagree on a few of your points but, a big thumbs up on your magnet solution! I discovered that about a year ago and it changed my life.
From a trucker standpoint. I’ve had countless motorcycles with loud pipes come past me and I didn’t hear them until they were almost past me. So no loud pipes don’t save lives
Late to this one but on number 8, it really helps to look into laws for that stuff. In California, if the light has gone two rotations without yours turning green, you can move through the intersection provided it's safe. I'd recommend thinking twice mainly because if the light's green for someone else they're going to keep going but on really late nights and very early mornings when traffic might be little to none, it can pay off to know that.
As a car driver I would say I prefer to hear a motorcycle so if I didn't see him the first time I will look again.
And no I don't have a motorcycle myself however I am looking into getting one.
Same man, same
@@ghost500e they dont. Simple fact because the sound is projected backwards not forwards. The moment they would hear your pipe it would be allready too late.
I'm pretty sure it works, I've never even used my horn (except ironically for laughs) but they always look when I rev. It's much louder
@@mikeh7802 so what your saying is you have no actual evidence of whether or not a horn would've worked in those situations since you never used it. Not a very scientific test to prove anything lol.
"It's an excuse they tell you because their wife won't let them buy one". Hahahahaha!!! So true!!!
In my opinion, loud pipes alerts drivers that dont notice bikes and dont do headchecks. If your bike is uber quiet they wont notice you are there. Its a bad example but just like when parents leave their kid in the back seat of a car when it hot. The kid falls asleep and the parent forgets that the kid is back there
Love the video and have been a subscriber for awhile! Imho, I think it would have been a little better if you could have turned down the background music just a little. Looking forward to your next video!
As a future bike rider and a current cage driver I can say that in my experience loud pipes did save at least two lives. I didn't see the bike. Glanced over the mirror, pulled out of a intersectionand and it was close, but I managed to change direction in time. The loud vtwin sound made me look in the side mirror again. I see many other idiot car drivers changing lanes without care and being stopped by a rev.
I don’t know about loud pipes save lives but I can guarantee you, chirping belts get you all the attention!
Haha yes
the day you stop being afraid of going fast is the day you start riding/driving recklessly and will get yourself badly hurt.Oh and a major tip if you crash whether it be with or without gear,ROLL WITH IT .It will reduce friction and you can avoid some major damage if you roll instead of sliding
I think loud pipes do save lives, when I bought a brand new Hayabusa quite a few years ago now, that bike was almost silent, I used to have people try and cross the road in front of me as they didn't hear anything, I would pass cars that would swerve as the first thing they knew was seeing me along side, even sat in their wing mirrors cars would miss me, in 25 years of riding I never felt more unsafe.
That's why I have Racefit and Austin Racing on my bikes. Cheers man
"like a man"... Sitting here in my 100 lbs of womanhood like 🤷
Hahahahahahaha yes
You’re a rare breed. I’m sure there was no dis intended 😉
what is 100lbs in normal person language ?
Hey Shawn, I've been riding a GSX650F for three years now, and had a couple smaller sport bikes before that. I like how my bike can tour with removable saddle-bags but I've been in love with the concept of a cruiser for the past two years. Not sure why exactly. But it could be the v-twin sound and the more "chill" idea of cruising. I cruise on my current bike and sometimes it feels like I'm betraying the bike a tad since it can carve corners well if I wanted to. But I'm ok at regular speeds. Should I buy a cruiser or will I regret it?
Great videos 👌 but gotta say loud pipes saved me many times with people noticing me better. I've been in a few accidents but I 'think' I'd have been more without loud pipes
As for the loud pipes argument, it's ignoring the fact that (in my opinion), the major reason for the wide-spread hostility that bikers face on the road is loud pipes. When people feel that they are being constantly assaulted with obnoxious noise every time they are driving or just out in public, or just trying to sleep in their house at night, they eventually come to see the loud pipe guys as ignorant cretins who deserve whatever happens to them. 55 years of riding has firmly convinced me of that.
I've had people start to switch lanes, hear my bike and didn't see me, and stopped switching lanes. I've had that happen maybe 5 or 6 times.
Stephen Martin same here and it’s easier to rev your engine than reach for the horn
@@davesleyer9393 no its not lol. horn is one thumb press. revving requires pulling in the clutch. Which in turn takes away your ability to smoothly accelerate if need be. If its easier for you to rev bomb you must be thumbless. Hell i accidentally hit my horn a lot when im going for the turn signals lol.
When you ride a bike you are invisible....no one can see you. so when you are looking around out of your little helmet, remember this. It will save your life. Anything that will get you noticed on your bike is a huge plus, even loud pipes ! Intersections are the most dangerous . The famous T BONE and FRONT CUT are the worst by far. I always let the car next to me drive out into the intersection ahead of me so not to be hit by a red light runner won't take my day. Never gun the throttle out into an open intersection. Leave the control line with caution. Freeway cuts are deadly , the driver in a car has many blind spots. Avoid the car drivers blind spots at all times. They can't see us because they aren't looking for us... have a nice ride all ! FROM : A FIFTY YEAR RIDER
damn 50 years? I'll be lucky if I make it to 10
@@latenightthinker4737 take his advice and extend your prediction.
@@pauliebots ofc, but I'm also starting to push for more roundabouts because they're waay safer for riders
I live in Utah and lane splitting at traffic lights is legal.
When I lane split I pull in my clutch to make the motorcycle quiet.
People can't open a door on you if they don't know you're there.
I think lane splitting while rev bombing is just going to make some one cut you off.
Oh and myth 8, hit your starter for a second. Trips any light and won't hurt the bike thanks to the overrunning clutch. They work on Induction. Any disruption to that magnetic field above a specific strength will trip it. Or, slap a few harddrive magnets to the frame.
Lol I've got a good illustration for #5...
I just got my license. We have a rather complex motorcycle test here (in France), including a theory test on 12 different topics that you're supposed to know (on the day of the test one of them is picked randomly). Among these topics, the causes for motorcycle accidents and how / where they happen... So these things are still fresh in my memory ;)
We're not in the same country but chances are the statistics are rather similar, over here it's about 65% on the backroads, 33% in the cities, and only 2% on the highways. These are national statistics from 2016.
That's interesting... So perhaps the majority of motorcycle accidents occur when people get overly confident while thrashing around on backroads?
Yes,louder pipes less cutting in my lane constantly.
Charlie Saliba I've had countless cars try and come in my lane because they don't see me. One or two cracks of the throttle they hear my exhaust and every time they've heard me and steered back to their lane without a single accident so to me loud pipes absolutely save lives
Good Video! Thanks for doing it!
I have in fact had problems with lights not giving me a green in past years. Now most lights have photo sensors but there have been areas that allow bikes to turn left on red for that reason.
I have a C50 Boulevard I picked up after 25 years without a bike, I'm 62, and I run it like a big moped. Usually about 40 to 50 mph. Just enjoying the machine, what scenery is available and I do wear ear plugs for more than short rides. I think I will look into leathers though because I agree with you jeans aren't much. I always wear a helmet and don't ride unfamiliar roads at night, potholes just come up faster when it's dark, and older eyes with death ray oncoming car headlights don't bode well.
Leather shopping after posting this.
Thank you for the honest discussion about loud pipes. When I put Cobra drag pipes on my Intruder 1400 this summer I decided to "test" the pipes without the baffles. You know what happened. I never put them back in. Does it make me safer? I have no idea. Do I like the way my bike sounds? Absolutely.
I have megaphones on my 07 Yamaha Royal Star tour deluxe and they are plenty loud with the baffles in. I now wear earplugs.
but I love the vid. Everything else is on point 110%
Your opinion on loud pipes is just that. I like all your videos. This one I have problems with. I have had instance when I was noticed on my bike better with loud pipes. It could have saved my life who knows. I have had more people pull out in front of me on my quite bikes then my loud bikes. Keep up your opinions.
Wow i would quit riding immediately if i thought i needed a loud pipe to maybe save my life , the riders brain and the riders attitude and where you position yourself is a proven method of riding safe , i never rely on anybody else seeing / hearing me . Its drummed into every new riders training modules here in australia we are taught to forget about whose fault it is a bike always comes off worse so be pro active position your machine where it is most visible and always have a plan b for avoidance
Take your anecdotal fallacies and shove them up your ass.
Sean people say "loud pipes save lives " because the rider can be heard at times long before being seen its just another way for cagers to be aware that a motorcycle is around them
If I put strong magnets under my motorcycle I'd come back with all kinds of metal road rubbish, would have to "debarnicle my motorcycle" periodically
That’s a great point. It would be like a very fast metal detector. You never know what cool stuff you will find
I took your advice and attached two magnets to the bottom of my frame. Bike got stuck on the first railroad crossing. Yeah I ride a grom. 😁
I have loud pipes, and in traffic it hasn't stopped anyone from texting and driving. Oh, and I've been in 2 accidents (1 major) and they didn't seem to help.
I'm a UK lorry driver. I'm not a motorcyclist.... Yet. Its why I'm watching these videos. Just trying to get some broad advice before I take the plunge. However I do have to say, loud pipes DO save lives. After 20 years of trucking I can safely say, if I can hear you coming I look twice as hard for you because I know you're around. Ive been driving long enough to check and triple check for bikes. I'm telling you though, being able to hear a bike coming just highlights to everyone you're there. It's got to be a good thing.
About # 8 : It has been noted (can't remember where) that shutting of and restarting will trigger it. Obviously only for electric start...but the surge of the starter supposedly will be enough to trigger it. I personally tried the magnet on the bottom of my engine with no improvement. Of course, they were cheap Whitney type magnets.
I live in a fairly populated area and because of the mall and shops there are kind of a lot of kids out here. When i give my throttle a twist at intersections (loud harley) they look up from their phones in confusion about what all the noise is.
Yes, for the same reason ripping a fart in your face when you're sitting on a bench in some public area would cause you to look up - it's incredibly annoying.
@@alphaforce6998 I don't really care if it's annoying, a riders life is more important than whatever text you're sending on your phone.
@@Telonicus764 No, when you decide to ride a motorcycle YOU are responsible for your own life - not everyone else around you. It's not a mode of travel for people of the whiny soyboy variety, and your perceived 'enhancement of safety' is not a license to be a dipshit. If you are so scared of riding, then don't.
@@alphaforce6998 You can do everything right and still be unseen! While you can mitigate a lot of circumstances sometimes it is a good thing to announce your presence! Most people don't expect to see many motorcycles and therefore don't look out for them.
"Oooh, look mummy, an attention seeker."
It's called noise pollution.
So I love your content, and normally agree your opinion. But loud pipes saved me twice with people merged into my lane I gave it a rev and they noticed me. Before the loud pipes a car merged over on me with a curb on my left I was right next to the guys window yelling at him and he couldn't hear me my handle bars were almost touching the glass I braked hard and let him by with the side of my tire and rim scraping the curb I passed him on the right gave him a wave and he had no idea why I was so mad. Also I ride so I always look for bikes while I'm driving but on hundreds of occasions I've heard bikes before I saw them, who could say otherwise. No offense to you or your opinion thanks for the great video.
Horns?
@@gagewoods5767 me yelling or revving is way louder then my horn. Lol have you ever tried hearing a horn riding in traffic at 50 mph. I can't hear it but Maybe it's just cause of my loud pipes. Lol
I agree with you I saved people over hundreds of times on motorcycle because I heard them before I saw them
I agree, loud pipes have prevented cars from bumping me
Riding freeway in Cali on an XS650 and a station wagon ( this was before suv's became so popular) moved over into the "empty spot" that was ME between two cars. Her kids were looking at me in horror as I nearly rode the guardrail. I could see they were yelling, but mom was ignoring them. Passed her later and she had no idea. Thankfully the driver behind me slowwed and let me drop back!
i agree with most of those except number 8. i have tried the magnets with little luck in the past. even on a bigger bike, a vtx honda, theres always a couple intersections that leave you waiting for a car to show up and trip the lights. this can be a even bigger issue when working second shift, get off work and theres not much traffic, then theres always going to be a light or two on the way home that you end up running red. luckily my area has been going with new camera triggers that work for bikes and cars just the same. though not yet to 100% of the lights its gotten much better.
I follow all your videos, most of them I like, but this one has the most substance, please do more like it, we all benefit
If you ride in the country, loud pipes startle animals...sometimes into your way.
I heard of a rider killed when a bird flew up and hit his head. It didn't matter whether he had loud pipes.
About the pipes. Been driving for years. Two words: doppler effect. I have literally, literally never avoided a motorcycle because I heard the pipes. It's because I visually saw them, either them or their lights.
Awesome video. Keep them coming.
If you will admit that anyone has ever avoided an accident because another motorist heard the bikes loud pipes and gave a second look then it is true that "Loud Pipes Save Lives". Just like if a cop pulls you over because he "saw" your under glow lights (which are illegal most places). The point is he, and many others probably, Saw you.
I think South Park summed up the real reason for loud pipes :) great episode look it up
If I had a £ for everytime someone said to me that they would kill themselves if they had a bike, I'd have enough to buy your Viper (well, not quite, but you get my drift).
I have been riding motorcycle since I was 13yrs old so now for over 26ys and I still say, "I would never buy a "crotch rocket", (sportbike) because I would kill my self or be more likely to be killed by someone else". Instead I ride a cruiser a 12' Yamaha Raider S because one is made and designed to go fast and get at top speed very fast and one is made to cruise just going the speed limit and chill and enjoy the scenery. On which one would I be more likely to get hit by a car that didn't see me, on one that is super fast that outruns its own sound or on a much slower, much bigger one with loud pipes? Just how I feel and yes I know anything can happen to any biker no matter what this is just my opinion.
@Eddie R check out SRKcycles.com for a great selection, price, and customer service before and after the sale. Ask for Sean. If they don't have a Raider check CycleTrader.com they have new old stock, (no or low miles and have never been titled, no one has ever owned them on a older year model) that's where I got my 2012 in 2018, it had 1 mile on it, never tilted and was 6yrs old in the Yamaha Dealership in Steward FL. Got it for $11,750 but you can get newer Raiders than that for the same or less. After riding my Raven Raider S for a year and putting 5K miles on it, I LOVE IT! So glad I didn't go with the Harley Davidson Breakout.
Also check out the official Raider forum as they have almost 5K Raider owners that can give you advice before and after the sale on parts, mods, and trouble shooting problems. Hope you get the Raider you want at the price you want. Also join a credit union as they usually have the best A.P.R., (interest rate) on auto/motorcycle/atv/RV and personal loans. I got 5% preapproved before I even talked to the dealerships. Also when you narrow it down to your top 3
I had a coworker that got rid of his bike precisely because he figured if he didn't, he'd get killed. Used to leave work a bit later so he could buzz his buddies car pooling by screaming by them at 100+ mph. Few close calls made him figure it was time to get rid of it.
loud pipes DO save lives without question. I cant tell you how many times after getting a bike and before getting loud pipes and people come in your lane non stop. I have seen it time and time and time again in decades of ridding. On top of that its much faster to rack the pipes than to fumble around for a horn you rarely use. Your hand is always on the throttle. Most times when someone doesnt see you its lightning quick and that split second is the difference in getting hit by a car or not. I am only speaking from the standpoint of being in multiple wrecks in my ridding career and looking at the reasons why. Put on loud pipes and more people will avoid you because they can hear you.
Love your content brotha but I do feel like loud pipes just bring more awareness to other drivers and I’m in New York where it is very congested on the road so in my experience I don’t say they save lives all day every day but it does make people aware you are around to keep an eye out there is a motorcycle nearby keep up the content brotha
Loud pipes do not save lives. They are more of a distraction and often times startle drivers that may cause them to swerve or hit their brakes because they don’t know where it’s coming from. I’ve known several motorcycle riders that say it’s much better to just sneak bye especially when you’re splitting the lanes. I am an experienced rider since 1973 so I do know what I’m talking about.
Loud pipes don’t save lives, safe riding practices do. But loud pipes make it more fun.
I'm glad you brought up that magnet because I heard about that before and wasn't sure whether it would work or not... But I heard twenty years ago just tape a big-ass magnet to the bottom of your bike and it'll change the lights...
Thanks for the video man! Anybody knows what style of sunglasses are those? Are super cool!
Myth 5: I'm blessed to have a nice selection of country highways and interstate miles to choose from.
Myth 6: A Miller Lite coozie in my back pocket literally saved my ass!! Trust him on the gear!
That is just not true my guy . I went from almost getting ran off the road 2-3 times a week from people pulling into my lane because they didnt know I was there on my 11' DR650se to the same happening 2-3 times a month after installing a Two Brothers racing pipe.
People literally went from not knowing I was there to visually verified looking over there shoulders as I approached their rear quarter panel with a " WTF IS THAT!? " look on their face as I passed . And even then a lot of times the only reason they were coming into my lane after that pipe instal was because they were target fixated on me as I passed cause my bike was so loud.
I mean you cant argue those numbers. Accidents can still occur no matter how loud your bike is but my close calls with people that didnt know I was there went down 80% ON AVERAGE . Loud pipes save lives. Sure takes their eyes off their goddamn cellphone when they hear an uncorked thumper coming down the road.
Bullshit.
Maybe you should ride in a manner that doesn't place you in situations where you're getting run off the road 2 or 3 times a week?
Been riding for more than 30 years and
I'll give you a tip, sound doesn't travel faster ahead of the exhaust than it does behind.
Sounds like a personal.experience, not what commonly happens. Does not make you a fat lier. Only means is not the common thi g to happen
@@jeeves6490 like what , convince people to not steer with the knee while they text ? ill try for that not to happen in peoples cars.
Another big factor is lane splitting. In California, loud pipes save lives. I ride a quiet 250 and a loud 750. the 250 I got to go extra slow and careful, no one knows I'm there until they see me. I'm always splitting the sea with the 750. In my experience.
Jeeves I call bullshit on your bullshit. my 1300cc bike with loud pipes always gets me out of trouble on the highway when I’m next to someone who’s blasting away a concert inside their car or who’s deep into their phone. The loud blast of pipes next to you done by me cranking the throttle saved my life multiple times. you can be riding your bike once a year for 30 years that doesn’t mean shit. I ride my ride everyday for 1-2 hours a day hwy or street doesn’t matter there’s still some idiot on their phone and of course people who are doing everything but paying attention to the road
What are you talking about with the heat cycles? If anything, racing slicks decay in performance after their first cycle. Street tires are made to withstand thousands of heat cycles. Once they’re warm (from tire warmers) and scrubbed in (take 1 lap easy) they’re at max grip. They don’t need multiple heat / cool cycles. Once they’re hot and the surface is scrubbed from a couple turns, you’re good.
I am a motorcyclist and a car/van driver... I personally have had many (50+) occurrences, where I was driving my car/van (highways and city roads - two and more lanes) and I heard (sometimes feel the vibrations of) the motorcycle approaching me BEFORE I actually could see them in my mirrors..... The sound/vibrations of the exhaust alerted me to their presence and general location near me, which I feel improved their level of safety greatly....
On the stop light sensors.... you are right, partially... :-)... The first "controlled" traffic lights put into use (circa 1960's) actually employed a "scale" in the roadway at the stop signals, really. At an intersection, a car would roll onto the black rubber top surface of the scale (top of the scale that was flat and mostly even with the road surface) and the car's weight would trip the "scale" and tell the traffic light there was a car at the intersection. I am old enough to remember them. They were taken out of use as the scales' moving parts wore out and were subjected to the heat and cold and road debris/gravel.... which caused them to malfunction over time. FAST FORWARD TO THE GOOD PART.... I saw a tip on one of the Biker Web pages that you can buy a couple of strong (sometimes called super magnets) magnets from Lowes, rip open the packaging, place the two magnets together and put them on a steel frame member under your motorcycle engine "area" and the magnetic field from these two magnets will trip the sensor wires currently in use in the pavement at stop lights so you don't get stuck there with a perpetual red light in your face. So I went to Lowes bought the package of magnets (two to a pack for about $4.00 at that time) and placed them on the steel frame of my 2002 Heritage Springer under the engine "area" AND IT WORKS!!! Since I installed those magnets I have not been stuck at a sensor controlled stop light again.
Nice video man!.... Congrats to you from the Dominican Republic!!!!
The Loud Pipes theory is bunk.. I've seen big loud diesel trucks that a deer has run into... Deer are not too bright and will run into almost anything. They will also freeze in their tracks in your headlights, then dodge right into the way you turn to avoid it....
Deer are the stupidest animals God ever created.
5argeTech /\ agreed I ride and drive a rumble camaro equivalent to 4-6 loud Harley’s and people still don’t see me. My bike is a vmax stock exhaust and I rarely if ever get cut off.
Deer are not the same as a person driving a car cmon now
About the loud pipes.
clearly it's not the only thing that will save you but having other motorists hear you alerting them of your presence is definitely a bonus. So loud pipes is not the only thing that will save your life but it's one of the things that you should have in your repertoire.
In my state, as long as you come to a complete stop and it is safe to go, you can run a red light on a motorcycle legally. They are actually really relaxed when it comes to motorcycles. No gear is required apart from safety glasses if your bike doesn't have a windscreen. (I do wear gear though) it is not uncommon to see a guy with no helmet, no shirt, wearing shorts and sandals on the highway. I, personally, do not have a death wish.