"Europe is WAY HARDER than the NBA" - Giannis and Luka EXPOSE Modern Basketball
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- čas přidán 30. 09. 2022
- Once again we have Superstars explaining why modern day NBA defenses are laughably bad and overseas basketball is more competitive. Hope you enjoy.
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Another overlooked aspect of the game in Europe. It’s a coaches’ league, not a players’ one. Giannis began by saying, they pick you up mid court, turn it to zone defense, then double team you and then make it man-to-man in the final seconds of defense, while also being extra physical with less officiating. Yeah I’m a Bucks fan and I still don’t understand how they won the league with nobody even doing block out lol. That would never fly in Europe. In fact, you won’t even make it to the first team if you don’t do the basics to almost perfection.
i also think that the court size matters too and it compliments the rules, you can here luka and giannis keep on saying the court is smaller hence there is not much space and the three is shorter as well making defense faster to collapse to chase open 3 point shooters to the point you don't even get open that much. I think Nba should look on shortening the dimensions of the court as well other than the rules.
@@jmgonzales7701 I would agree with you if Steph curry did not exist lol
@@casualnoob6648 well yeah that would be the problem. But at least find out the way to eliminate the ultra hardcore spacing that is available.
The NBA is decided to magnify and emphasis the talent particular offense. If you try that Euro style full court press defence u'd leave so much space elsewhere so ppl just dont bother with that
This settles my argument that I have with a lot of these new basketball fans saying that today's basketball players are better than back in the day it just showed you right there how their point production drops off significantly if the game gets more physical and you talking about these guys back in the day who played they whole career in physicality and then they come to a league where you can free flow these dudes is averaging 30 points and you can got knocked on your back imagine how if they were playing in the league now how many points they were average come on fellas let's be real I'm not taking nothing away from Steph they are some great players but I don't think they'll be able to handle the banging that they gave out back in the day
90s is probably the most balanced era of the NBA..80s was too tough and nowadays it's too soft..
80s basketball was straight up trash, best version of basketball I’d say is 2000s and late 90s
@@grief6052 Lots of great rivalries in the 80s though.. Larry Bird Celtics and Magic Lakers..bad boy Pistons.,Dr j sixers against Celtics..
@@JetEngine85 still the actual gameplay was so boring and just sometimes felt like a brawl
@@grief6052 80s was the golden era of modern basketball
@@JetEngine85 You named 4 teams. In a league of 25. Case. And point.
European refs call the game properly. Thats all you need to know.
Based on how bad they did at Eurobasket this year I would not praise them
No... not the calls
@@diorobertofabi3899 The best refs in Europe (the ones in Euroleague and Eurocup), cant ref at Eurobasket. Those are 3rd tier refs....
And is why Team USA will be LeBronze in 2024
As european who watches basketball since I was a kid in the 90's, I am sure most of todays NBA players would not be able to score this much in 90's. And european basketball shows this.
Why is it harder for nba players to score in euro league?
Aren't these basketball player put on their country team with no chemistry? Don't we expect them to score less because of that? If the actually Bucks team played, where giannis has team chemistry and the spacing they give him, wouldn't he be just be averaging a lot more points and make it easier?
Yeah that’s why you guys win the gold every four years
@@evefet5491 i did not say the talent was greater, it is because of the rules, like handcheck, 3 sec, less spacing, etc. Yeah that is why you guys do not dominate every game anymore. Not like you are blowing us out with 40 points.
@@alexhoang5097 rules, more defensive minded games. It is harder to get to the basket when big men can stay in the paint for long as they want, it is harder to hit the 3 pt when a player guards you full court and gives you no space, and they can double team you, but that does not mean the other player can go for layup, because bigs are still in the paint. Yeah, but Luka played for Madrid and scored 12 pts, few month later he scored 20 ppg for Dallas.
Joker, Giannis and Luka all have said this. And they are basically 3 of the top 5 players currently in the nba. So they aren't lying.
This is WHY I call this current era "the inflated stat era" 🤷🏾♂️ And its the sole reason a few years age people actually thought James Harden was better than Dwayne Wade simply using just numbers 🤦🏾♂️
D-Wade will always be the superior player compared to Harden.
Both really good players nonetheless lol
@@dylam541 But one is OBVIOUSLY better than the other but if you just looked at just "stats" some may think otherwise and that's the point of showing why this era numbers will make dudes look overrated..... Let's take a dude like Bradley Beal whose career numbers are 22 4 & 4 compared to someone like Clyde Drexler whose career numbers are 20 6 & 5....... Clyde Drexler is WAY BETTER than Bradley Beal but if you went of just stats you'll think otherwise and THAT is the problem this era is causing
@@Tonio5100 makes sense if harden played in the 2000s he’d probably still be a good scorer though, scoring only got lucrative in the 2018-19 season going from a league average of 106ppg to 111ppg and it seems to have peaked at 112ppg in the 2020-21 season. Harden in his breakout season in 2012-13 still averaged 26ppg and 6apg at the age of 23, the league average at the time was only 98ppg which was very similar to the league average throughout wade’s prime. I suppose the rules slightly inflated hardens stats by a 2-3 points but he was still very good even prior to the inflation of scoring in the league, i believe him and wade are about equal and wade might take a slight edge off his playoff success but it’s close between there
@@dylam541 So defense doesn't matter at all? Wade leading his team to a title in 06 and winning finals MVP doesn't matter? So I guess Bradley Beal and Clyde Drexler close also?
Sounds to me like they playing old school 90s basketball over in Europe and we playing cupcake basketball over here in the states😂
Yup that why we keep blowing them out by 30 and 40
@@infamousbastards522 obviously you have better talent in the nba you can’t stay in the paint for 3 seconds so you can have theamatical dunks for example to entertain people its about the players but in europe its all about the teams
@@infamousbastards522 You are right. US has top talent that can outplay everyone. But without superstars packed roster US basketball is only another team from top 10.
Look at 2019 World Cup. USA had Jayson Tatum, Kemba Walker, Khris Middleton, Donovan Mitchel, Joe Harris so not superstar caliber players but still extremely solid. That solid team end up 7th overall and couldn't even make it to the semi-finals. When USA has superstars on the roster then it's almost unbeatable but only because 5 top tier players are playing together.
To answer your question: You can't double team anyone or basically do anything regardless of the rules or league. Imagine Lebron, Curry, Klay, Green and Anthony Davis playing together (with second team as good as the first one). They could beat anyone, doesn't matter if we are talking 90's NBA or 2023 World Cup
@@stefanosdrositis3404 lol. You don't see what's really wrong with saying the nba is easy
, do you?
Harder to score especially for people who score a lot near the rim since the court is smaller. And the 3 point line is closer so it's easier for someone around the painted area to contest a corner 3.
in europe we also play 8 minutes less. it's almost a full quarter so of course players will score more in the us. regardless you are right about league being offense minded. the detroit bad boys would all foul out in a half today.
I remember Pippen saying in the Jump how those 80 point games were hard and how you had to EARN a layup to score it. Nowadays some defenders will even get out of your way afraid of getting posterized.
I remember playing a lot of basketball against more fundamental/old school people in defense.
And then I compared this to usual game defense... Ye I could destroy people in games bc refs basically make everything a foul and I got used to people hitting me in the hands everytime I drive for example
i dont know about anyone else, but i prefer low scoring games. IDk I'm a football fan and there is something about the value of scoring in a low scoring game.
@@jmgonzales7701 I remember a few years ago when GS and some other team were struggling to score in a particular playoff game because of the defense. The crowd was hyped because of it and that was one of the best games I had seen in quite awhile. I think both teams scored less than 100 (rare) or barely hit 100. Brought back memories.
Yeah screw the ' business decision ', soft as.
More flagrant fouls of which getting too many, probably means multi-game suspension and massive fines.
why the rules of the 90s made watching basketball so much more fun:
1. no flopping - we got to see some of the most athletic aerial finishes ever without seeing it ruined by a touch foul, see athletes like nique, kemp, mj actually show off their skill and athleticism instead of hurling themselves into defenders
2. stricter calls on offense - palming violations, travel violations and moving screens made it such that the defense actually stood a chance to compete and showcased the actual skill of offensive players rather than uncalled violations
3. more physicality, hand checking - led to more creativity in offensive creators too
Exactly man It takes more skill and athleticism to beat physical resistance. The NBA before 2004's Hand Check was the biggest challenge to athleticism besides maybe boxing or playing Cornerback in football. Players had to do incredible athletic moves to score in midair vs more 7foot shotblockers at the rim and since 2004 it's like an express lane to the hoop without any traffic or traffic cones at best. That physical challenge at the rim required more everything than how the game has been played since 2004.
@@heirrose1606 i wasnt born to watch 90s basketball but as a fan of the game. I admire 90s basketball and the early 2000s basketball. I became a spurs fan in 2003. Im 24 now and people give our team no credit to our dominance in the 2000s just as the lakers. We won 4 & they won 5. We defeated Lebron, Kobe, Shaq and alot of hof players. But everyone speak about why teams lost and not how we won. But hey,
And one more thing, hostility on the court in the 90s , now everyone is friend with each other
just say dominique my guy, it's not that hard to type four extra characters
During that time real Men are playing the game.
I often think about Dennis Rodman. He wouldn't be able to protect the rim how he used to do back in the day
that is true, though i think he would still be a rebound monster
Rodman can guard any position and would be all over the court & snatching missed shots from both teams, no need to camp in the paint
@@KrispyKleenex365 I don't doubt his abilities, the point is that he was too harsh for today's rules
@@Tkokat he played within the rules.
I don’t believe he would be as harsh in todays game. He is less harsh than Draymond
if Kawhi can hand check, you are simply not getting away lol
Really it would be over
Kawhi would have a field day in the 90s with his big reach and hands.
Just look at what Ron Harper was capable of at the defensive end. Those huge hands and wide arms really benefited his game.
So nice from Giannis and Luka to say that the NBA has more talent. Of the five best players in the league, Three are from Europe. The NBA is where you wanna play but there is alot of talent in the euroleague. Those talents are just more spread out over far more teams. Todays euro looks alot more like 90's NBA than modern NBA does too.
Totally agree. It was a move made by NBA after 2003 finals between LA and Detroit. That year, and that period, was the toughest in NBA history. Scoring points was literally a war. And for my point of view, that is what makes sports really enjoyable. It gives mid rank teams the opportunity to balanced the game against top tier quailing teams. But NBA, and other leagues like NFL, decided that evolve the sport to a kind of 2K was going to be the path, the natural evolution. From my point of view, a really big mistake, they unbalanced the game. They gave lots of tools to offense (3p no touch rule, free movement rule, 3sec paint rule to drive free directly to rim, less physicality, flopping, 3 step euro steps, and so on). On the defensive side of the court, the eliminate tools to counteract the offense explosion: no hand check, no physicality, no semi zone (Detroit mastered it), etc). Now watching NBA is just watching who can better pick& roll, iso’s and drive and 3p kick’s. NBA destroyed the league.
I think also it's the sign of the decline. Tough times, tough men. These guys are soft. The game is too soft. I want physical play in my sports. I love physical basketball and intense defense.
The game is made easy because society is easy right now.
I’ve been saying the same thing for years I’m from Detroit and I saw the game change right before my eyes but one thing you forgot to mention is they also change the rules for LeBron James Because back then he was the future and his greatest strength was to drive to the basket LeBron James is not a shooter so they Open the Driving lane up for him to score easy buckets They were article in the newspaper with LeBron saying the game is much easier when you can shoot
@@Mark_Knight yet US wins gold in almost all world basketball competitions men or women. Football has similar trajectory. Now a days more goals fast pace.
3 step is an actual rule? Or players just take advantage
@@illyayurkevich7886 no, it’s an advantage over the rules. In FIBA is explicitly forbidden.
Yeah there is no way in this world Bron would be averaging 30 a game at age 37 in the 80’s and 90’s. 😅
People actually spend a ton money on they're bodies in today's era bruh. They also don't smoke cigars on the bench.
@@kingad8869 the game was more physical so it forces breakdown quicker too
@@kingad8869 yeah but he also eat a bill lambeer elbow to the face driving to the hoop
Bron is a beast of a man, he’d do great in a physical league
@@bennettstokes195 not in the 80s or 90s,, he cries too much
Murray just straight up said “Rudy just CHILLIN in da paint 😂”
90s and early 2000s simply has way more defensive options than today's NBA, not to mention that offensively, having much easier fouls, travels being significantly less called out, zero step and the elimination of a big guy on the paint just simply made the players today having easier time to score high points than it was in 90s and 2000s
The 2000s yes but the 90s were a joke defensively which is why hero ball worked.
@@TheRockemsockm you're fuk'n bugging....
@@TheRockemsockm says s dummy that hasnt even watched one game of that era snd likes watching soft no touch no defense sports lmao
do you think the gather step should be legal?
@@jmgonzales7701 I don't mind it, but just like how gather step is great option for offense, there need to be a defensive counter to make the game more balanced and fair
This is a great point, i'm sure after the MJ era a lot of Europ basketball fans stopped watching, including me
I noticed this during the redeem team Olympics, You're actually allowed to play defense in Europe... go figure
But again ppl say mj and bird couldn’t dominate today 🤦🏾♂️
Ye
Who tf is people? I swear you mfs just make up shit to get mad and prove an argument that was never discussed
No one says that
@@Unknown-dz4pp you’ve must not have heard that many young mfs talk about how they view the nba and the greats and I swear I’ve heard Jason Williams and Gilbert ard even Ryan hollins say Mj couldn’t hang today or that he wouldn’t be as great or better and I see ppl disrespect bird on the regular this ain’t nun new🤦🏾♂️
@@Unknown-dz4pp That’s cap I be seeing people on CZcams saying Jordan would be AVERAGE in today’s league. Just insane.
As someone below said 90s basketball was the perfect balance of regulated chaos. Now we are chaoticaly regulated to the point the games boring. It's also evolved really quickly, the 3ball became a thing and soon became THE thing in such a short time span compared to how the rest of the game evolved/unfolded. There was bound to be growing pains but at this point we are wearing a shoe size too small.
Beautiful work on this content, this is so what's going on and not calling the cheap baby touch fouls are showing what some of these super stars are really made of. As Rockets fan, the Harden era got so boring especially without Chris Paul to add changes to the floor
Interesting video. I thought the more spread out style of play now days was because of the long 3 point shooters. I did not know about the 3 second paint rule for the defense or much quicker calling of defensive fouls. I was also aware of of what seemed to be more foot movement allowed when handling the ball but that had been a around even in the 90s.
Rules against zone defense were much more strict in the 90s, they had the illegal defense rule which was removed in 01. The reason why the paint was more clogged was because of offensive spacing. Although teams would find ways to run a zone from time to time, it wasn’t the norm. & again, the rules were more strict, in regard to zone defense specifically, in the 90s
I remember when I was growing up in the 90s, we had the NBA stars as our basketball gods. MJ, Ewing, Kemp, Malone... We couldn't wait to watch the games! Nowadays i cannot watch a single game for the regular season. There is no defence involved. Seeing 🤡 like Harden and Westbrick it's just embarrassing for the game itself.
I much prefer watching the Euroleague where every game matters.
It's the 2004 Hand Check Rule. It's literal Physics. Today's NBA is Cardio vs Weightlifting's resistance training of pre-2004's Hand Check Rule. 2018's Freedom of Movement rule made it even softer. Before 2004 it was like Tackle Football compared to Flag football. Not even 2-Hand touch because that's a foul in the NBA after 2004.
I tell people this all the time because I’m from Detroit the Pistons won the championship With straight up Defense stop and team from scoring over 70 points The NBA didn’t think that was sexy enough and the NBA sure as hell never like the Pistons And they had two up-and-coming star players in LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony the biggest star was LeBron James who could not shoot but was a hell of a driver so they said hands off and that’s all she wrote The soft era was born
@@realtalk3133 @Realtalk313 Yeah man it's no coincidence the year after they banned Hand Checking LeBron had that big quarter vs the Pistons. As much as I hated the Bad Boys I actually also liked them vs everybody else including the Lakers because I cared and admired defense so much back then. I was a huge Chuck Daly, Joe Dumars and Rodman fan even then when I was a kid all hurt that my Bulls lost to them. Fans had more to watch when both sides of the court meant so much more. Now it seems new and young fans plus the easily amused ones just wait to watch or care when their team has the ball if not even the team just their favorite scorers. It's become so boring at times watching players drive to the hoop with defenders treating them like hot potatoes they have to keep hands off. I seriously think a player can iso and walk the ball to the hoop if they keep the dribble extended away from their defender. Jokic almost does it often. Add all the more missed shots we have to watch now from the lower percentage 3pt shot, including so many more Airballs & Bricks, and dudes just standing around the 3pt line playing a spot on the line waiting to catch n shoot a 3 instead of running offensive plays and it's even worse. It's sad to me.
Great video as always
excellent commentary!
I think that we shouldn't underestimate 10 min quarters. In Europe player just simply can be more active on defensive end without compromising the offense.
Because NBA focus on the “show” part of the game, rather than the sport side. The rules are way more shifted towards the offense so the players have to get creative to put on a show. Same goes for football. You often see banger goals in the MLS which are rare in European leagues
I partially agree cuz the issue is that the players are not getting more creative because they don't have to, tbh if you see any game from the NBA you will get bored to hell cuz nowadays is just 3points after another 3 points. For me the NBA and the MLS are the tiktok and Instagram of sport leagues, cuz those are just designed to generate engagement to get easy money from the audience
Love that you have mj highlights here… just goes to show - tougher rules = better all round players! 💯💯
i think the NBA officials put made it a mission to reduce player injury. But took it so far that it hampers defense enough that the only solution is just go for ultimate offensive capability. Which also means players can focus mostly on offense. Thus what specifies as 'talent' is less about looking at versatility and more at just offense.
basketbal is physical. So some injury prevention is needed. But taking it as far as the nba did changed it.
You didn't mention the Illegal Defense rule that was changed in 2001. The 3 second rule replaced illegal defense, but I've heard many argue that the illegal defense rule forced all defense to come down to basically man to man and all the various forms of zone couldn't be effectively implemented.
Yeah I don't understand when these kids say: "oh they can play zone now". Nah, kid, a 3 second rule isn't zone. As Giannis said, ain't nobody running complex full court or 3/4 court zones in the NBA.
The problem with the NBA was always a lack of moderation. 20 years ago the rules were too permisive, so much so that it became a real struggle to score. The game was too physical and it was becoming boring. So they made changes, but they lacked moderation in that. They pushed the game from one extreme to the other and they will eventually need to take measures again to make it more difficult to score.
I also blame the golden state warriors since they started to get good everyone shoots so much 3s even Europe scoring went up because everyone realized how important the 3s are
I don't watch NBA games until April and the playoffs. You watch a game and the score is 153-146!?!? What is that? Every game before the playoffs is like the all star game. You can barely find a game when the both teams are at 2 digits score.
@@IvanIvanov-tn2iw And thats the main point. Normal people have easier time to understand Number. Bigger number can be better for normal people.
But lets also accept that NBA already mature. Theres really fewer normal people, even the normal one have their own idol and love basketball.
I think thats the reason why i saw Lebron play are so disgusting. Even MJ said its not fair to compare them, because lets be real lebron/less physical era are much trashy think. The f they do with the muscle, only for show.
Sorry for the rant, i just gratefull new era is come. Be it Doncic Jokic plays, or Giannis physical play.
@@michaelbuto305 That's a classical average American logic. Sad
Absolutely insane to me that anyone who likes basketball wouldn’t understand this. Defensive three in the key was created for excitement and scoring. Not for player safety like they told us. Was very easy to see from the very beginning.
The 3 sec rule nerfed by strengths in middle school basketball. I was an interior defender, and I was not much of a shooter.
There was a reason why I came off the bench for the B team. My strengths do not match the style of the game have in America.
I thought about perhaps how small countries dont stand a chance in the olympics against usa and why it wins so often. 1st basketball is so huge in the usa and a lot of ppl play it, 2nd the pool from which the best players are chosen is literally a whole continent. Plus canada - this is like putting a team together from a pool of whole of europe or half per se.
This is an overarching issue with most modern sports as they grew more profit based than entertainment based.
Sadly, it is easier to become a superstar scorer than a superstar defender, and it always has been, as such, defense is less profitable..
Not true with modern sports only american sports you dont play with relegation you dont play to win every game if your in the playoffs your in if your at the bottom with no chance of playoffs who cares. You can see with American soccer the international squad is becoming really good but all of the star players play in europe and grew up in europe not the MLS in the USA.
Who would have ever thought the European game would be more physical than the NBA?!? Crazy.
Anyone with a functional brain??
Everybody actually
@@alejandrosierra3743 Really? Not back then (Dream Team era)...never saw that coming but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Seems a lot of people in the US in general are just soft and into their feelings now lol.
@@jtremaine23 The NBA has always had the better talent but if you want to find the best intensity and attitude you have to go to Europe. I guess that there are plenty of reasons but in my opinion the most important thing is that in Europe, every single second of the game, they play as a team. On the other hand you have the NBA, a league where the most important things are not the teams, but the players. It is so easy finding people supporting one team or another depending on a trade or watching a 15 second 1vs1 with 8 players staying still that ends up with a terrible 3pt. You do that in Europe and you don't play the rest of the season.
@@alejandrosierra3743 More people like Asian know more about NBA than basketball thing in Europe.
It is a fact even if you go to china, japan, philipines, its all the same they know NBA more. Specially the Golden duo Era of entertainment. Michael Jordan and Michael Jackson. With that people track NBA and US.
I dont even comprehend how the f US fkup so much to have insane low physical games while also have gun ready on everyday street. Its so pussy out, wtf happen, MJ era are the best.
ya the defense was noticeably better in the 90s. they have gone soo far to favoring scoring that it kind of ruined the game for me. every game just looks like an all-star game, and thats not a good thing. its like a game of one on one every time down the court, and if there is any contact at all its a foul. its to the point where the defender almost looks like they arent trying, but i think its just because they cant risk any contact. and yes i agree, the defensive 3 in the key completely changed the game. now it has gotten to the point where if a guard gets past their defender, they always have a lane to the basket. it used to be that the big men were always there to prevent that. so driving to the basket was a lot more impressive. anyone who tries to claim the defense is better now in order to say lebron the is the greatest is either being dishonest or they are clueless
This destroys the "bigger, faster, stronger" and the "today's players are more skilled" myths.
How if we still beat the Europeans team by 40 or 30
@@infamousbastards522 We don't.
@@infamousbastards522 No! Did you even watch the last Olympics? It took KD and Tatum playing out of their skin to defeat France in the Gold medal game. In the end it was 87-82, Team USA were pushed all the way.
@@doubleeph8920 yea and France has one of the best defensive big man in the game rn who doesn’t need to leave the paint while the rest just stop them from shooting also u think they really picked their best player from USA?
@@infamousbastards522 the only 20+ point wins for the US in last Olympics was against the Czech Republic and Iran. They had solid wins over Australia and Spain, while they had a 5 point win and a 7 point loss to France.
The Dream Team style blownouts are pretty rare these days.
The modern NBA is a basketball talent show and is a shell of what 90’s basketball was which was the peak of the NBA.
Physical with no defensive 3 seconds??? Hey i remember watching that in that 90s!
You can watch that style today in the NBL too czcams.com/video/XqzaXsDEKG0/video.html
There was 3 seconds since 1966, but it wasn’t a ban on back to basket dribbling over 5 seconds below the free throw line, & the league wasn’t as hawkish on hand checking, so you had to turn your back too the defender, too score. & the bigs were the best at it. Once hand checking was being banned 6 different years between 1995-2005, the defensive 3 seconds was revised 2 times in 2002 & 2005, then the ban on back to basket dribbling past 5 seconds below the free throw line, as well as stricter enforcement on contact with off ball players and screeners, the game became opened up. Ball handlers and coaches, made the bigs clear out of the paint on offense, & it was either you stretch the floor and pull the defensive big away from the paint, or he benched, or out of the nba if you were a big. Todays era is mostly 6’8 and under guys on the floor for 30-36 minutes by themselves of 48 minutes.
i also think that the court size matters too and it compliments the rules, you can here luka and giannis keep on saying the court is smaller hence there is not much space and the three is shorter as well making defense faster to collapse to chase open 3 point shooters to the point you don't even get open that much. I think Nba should look on shortening the dimensions of the court as well other than the rules.
@@jmgonzales7701 it’s barely smaller. All of the 3 pointers too stretch out the help defense, & the empty paint with hardly any bigs protecting it in the nba, is what makes the court bigger. When the nba was packing the paint with 3-5 defenders like in past eras, plus you had at least your offenses 2 true bigs in the paint with the opposing 2 true bigs, & not taking a lot of 3’s like in past eras, you never once heard European players talk about the difference of court dimensions.
@@jmgonzales7701 3 was shorter in 1995-97, & you never heard Kukoc an mvp in the Euroleague, talking about the court is bigger in 1994 when it was its normal 3 point line, or when it was shorter 1995-97, or when it was back in 1998 and beyond. It’s the style of play. Bigs packed the paint when Kukoc played, wasn’t any small ball going on for full games. No teams were taking 40 three pointers to stretch the help defense thin. And that nba was far more physical than Europe was. Europeans were considered soft in the 1990s. Nba changed rules in 1995, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2005, 2018, too get the softer game that we have today, not too mention they stopped enforcing traveling and palming, as much as they used to, & offensive fouls.
@@honorfirst7506 And now it's reversed on physicality, Euroleague is more physical than the NBA.
He's talking about defensive 3 seconds, not the paint 3 seconds, the NBA needs to get rid of the defensive 3 seconds rule to allow more physicality.
A lot has to do with fundamentals. European players r very fundamental compared to a lot of these nba players that go one year n college and straight to the leauge
Newer generation thinks these players are so much better because they all have great athleticism which translates to the modern game. Lots of these younger players are all about being flashy and not having the right fundamentals. Look at Time Duncan nobody ever talks about him because he wasn’t flashy.
@@Ronaldothegoat0728 i think timmy D is in everyones top 10 lmao bro is unhateable what u talking bout
In my opinion the game has changed so the center is not the dominate player. Much fewer dominate centers in the world than 6'6'' wing players. In the past they would throw the ball to the center in the paint. He would score or kick the ball out. Now they use the guard to do that. Remove the center from the paint and allow more palming the ball and no hand checking. So, the guard drives to the paint and scores or kicks it out. The big difference is more players today focus on 3's and deep 3's.
Another thing that makes the NBA kind of a joke imo is the rule enforcement. Basically it's up to the ref on a day to day basis what is traveling and other issues. I've seen games where players take up to 5 or more steps and still not be called a travel, all because it looks good on camera when they do a big dunk.
Refs in the NBA are like refs in the WWE.
Yer right about the traveling calls going to the bucket. Usually they're going too fast to even count the steps, but it's obvious they took too many. Watching NCAA and NBA back-to-back really highlights the difference.
@@ronniechilds2002 Even high school games are more strict on calls like that. Because imo the big leagues like to look good and be exciting. So they let some calls slide to keep up the energy in the game.
I hope this video gets 1 billion views really. Bring back the fun...
I agree with everything you said, but there is one thing that you overlooked (also smth that gets overlooked all the time). In the 90s, 2-3 players on the floor couldn't buy a bucket outside of the paint, while today everyone can shoot. That makes the game more open and makes it easier for offense to operate. So it's not only the rules, it's also that players have more/different skills than players in the past, which makes teams harder to guard, and that of generates more (easy) points. So part of it is also that offense is just way, way better than it used to be.
IT is absolutely the rules. Todays rules for dribbling and hop steps etc, would never have been allowed in the 80's/90's. The shooting aspect of it is only a small part and the defensive 3 second rule is nothing but a joke.
00s basketball was incredibly physical and defensive too, people forget that. Less PPG than the 80s.
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yeah personally i prefer 2000s basketball more than the 90s
The 90s and early 00s were the absolute peak of bball..
@@ronm3945 80's, 90's & 2000's the best eras no question.
I think seeing NBA games with a score line of 82-79 on a regular basis is the stuff of Adam Silver's nightmares.
Seems like the old nba rules n styles of play is in Europe. Miss that game !!!!
I liked that comment there;
In NBA you look at your teammates and you know the help is coming
In Europe the help is alrdy there
I’d love to see the NBA take away the defensive three second rule. Playing outside the NBA/Europe there’s not nearly the same amount of spacing which doesn’t allow to take your man 1on1 as easily as in the NBA. It’s crowded and you’re always seeing bodies and hands in the paint.
In the NBA, Kobe definitely dominated and won during the most difficult era, making his career even more impressive! Even when Jordan played, defense wasn’t allowed to leave their man and play true help defense, otherwise they call a violation like they did in the 98 finals for example. Kobe saw the most crowded defense and double and triple teams while playing in the slowest scoring era.
kobe played in a weak era bro not sure what you are talking about all the greats from the 80's were retiring, not to mention all the big men like hakeem and jordan retiring.
@@vincenthammons6705 you’re wrong
@@ArmandoKozomara I am correct competition started going down hill when kobe started getting his rings, he never played the prime bigs or guards in their primes, not to mention the hand checking was taken out.
@@ArmandoKozomara No, he is absolutely wright.
@@ArmandoKozomara and most of Kobe era is a weak era,
The 3 in the Key rule has always bothered me. Rules on physicality the sport shouldn’t just be a wrestling match (though the modern ones are a bit soft) but rules banning strategy are kind of silly. I get that most sports have them: illegal formations in football, the coming ban on the shift in the MLB, and offsides in soccer and hockey. But all of those are designed to stop really wacky strategies that genuinely make the sport less fun to watch (maybe not the football formation rules but you get the idea). A proper zone defense or a big man in the paint isn’t a wacky strategy though, it is complete the kind of strategy a 5 year old could figure out and something people do all the time in pick up games and leagues where it isn’t banned. Other than helping limit scoring there is literally just no reason for it.
So basically 90s basketball. Like we told these jokers. Pretty much every stat today is inflated.
Can remember the early 2000 Pistons. They held teams to 75 points or less in 13 straight games
I went to a couple of Knicks game recently and it is all show, show, show. Loud music, bombastic audiovisuals, dancers, singers, acrobats...you name it! Looks like a circus more than a basketball venue.
It really says something that arguably the three best players (all from Europe) are saying that it is EASIER to score in America than Europe.
It's easier for them to score. If it was easier overall they would win every chip.
It was pretty evident if you watched the Olympics. Certain nba players were basically useless without the spacing and increased physicality
Which specific players?
As someone who plays basketball in Europe (not professional though) defence seems to be much more important here. The best teams ofc have good offence, but what puts them above the rest is their defence, you don’t win by having scoring more, you win by stopping the other team from scoring. During training, there is such an emphasis on the defence and you have to learn how to get the perfect balance between a physical defence and not fouling.
This is why Lukas IQ is so high cause he had to figure out how to trick defenders in a small space
The game back in the 80’s and 90’s was simply different. Lebron wouldn’t have near the points he has now if he had played back then. They would have called his traveling, his offensive fouls, and put up a lot more resistance in the paint. In order to be a good finisher you needed big hands.
Same thing in the 60s and ,70s
People tend to forget that there was a lot of pride in no easy buckets driving to the rim you're getting an elbow in the face of you're doing it to much
6’9 270 but he won’t score the same playing against plumbers
@@benomerovic5515 6’9 270 with tiny hands and the feelings of a delicate little flower 🌸.
@@benomerovic5515 the rules were different he would have to play with the rules, also...no breaks, and they played 40 extra exhibition games between january and febuary , and theres many more things...hed still be a great player as would any great be in any league
You cut out the part in the interview where Luka said the NBA is harder.
Here's the link to the full interview: czcams.com/video/zYVXAClL_FU/video.htmlsi=DKjOAJ7YoLfmKi2c&t=185
At 03:05 Luka says: "That's why the NBA is way more tougher to play"
I think the most affected ones are the rim runners in the euro league. even without defensive 3 sec., I still do think you need to chase someone out in the perimeter because of the switching. it's just my opinion though
The NBA is made up of a bunch of crybabies. The game was so much more entertaining in the 80's and 90's. I can't even watch the games very often. I used to watch every game I could.Play ball and quit crying.
Hey, don't disrespect the 2000s like that. That area was fantastic 😎
Shooting also plays a part. Since Steph got to the league teams shoot more 3’s. It’s hard to be more physical when the defense is completely spread out by a team with 4 players who can shoot around 40% at all times on the floor
i also think that the court size matters too and it compliments the rules, you can here luka and giannis keep on saying the court is smaller hence there is not much space and the three is shorter as well making defense faster to collapse to chase open 3 point shooters to the point you don't even get open that much. I think Nba should look on shortening the dimensions of the court as well other than the rules.
This is where handchecking wouldve been awesome now a days. Perimeter players get away with murder.
@@andrewcook1246 Wrong. They use off-ball screens for shooters, unlike the old days. Hand checking isnt even possible when you are dealing with screens
@@1vaultdweller yeah, moving screens. And handchecking works wonders with screens cause you can still influence or at least make it harder for the screener and roller
@@andrewcook1246 Lol what is "make it harder for the screener" ? What will putting a hand on the screener do? Do you even understand bball lol
Finally a young guy who speaks the truth.with no prejudice
Zone defense was banned in the NBA between the 1940's through to the 2001-2002 season. If you played zone defense in the 90's it was an illegal defence violation.
That said, scoring was tougher back in the 90's. The NBA has spent the last couple decades making scoring easier to inflate scores because fans got upset when their teams weren't scoring enough and that had hurt the League's take. This has resulted in many athletes today playing the foul instead of the game. This is not the modern player's fault, its by league design.
I lost interest in the NBA, when they stopped playing defence, real defence.
This is part of the reason I say it’s hard for Lebron to be the GOAT when he plays in the weakest era to date that make it easier to score.
NBA has always been geared toward offense.
Used to have the illegal defense rule that forced man to man without playing off your man.
Now they have no hand checking and less physical defense though they allow zone[ish].
They have never called travelling or a 3 second rule.
Europe plays by traditional basketball rules you find in college and below.
European basketball is also much more tactical and the coaches are much more important. Eurobasket was so nice to watch after the 1v1 festival in the NBA playoffs
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I think that removing 3sec def rule would make things even worse. What league suffers the most in my opinion, is that teams are shooting way too much 3s. Game became boring, no contact, less driving to the basket. Imagine 3sec rule is out. This would encourage players shoot 3s even more, cause it would ve even harder to score layups. So I guess it would be logical to fix 3point problem first. And then maybe remove 3sec def rule.
i also think that the court size matters too and it compliments the rules, you can here luka and giannis keep on saying the court is smaller hence there is not much space and the three is shorter as well making defense faster to collapse to chase open 3 point shooters to the point you don't even get open that much. I think Nba should look on shortening the dimensions of the court as well other than the rules.
The only thing the NBA needs is to allow defenders to, you know, defend. Watching the playoffs last year was a real struggle with all the whistling every time someone looked at a superstar. It makes the game boring.
So what would need to happen to bring back the best version of the 90s rules? Or have NBA switch to FIBA rules? As I had fallen out of following basketball in the early 2000s and now when I see this I question if I want to start watching again. As I enjoy good tactical play and Defense. This just seems like open drives and deep threes which is boring to me.
The PPG between EU and NBA might be a little bit misleading because of 40 vs 48 min right? You should calculate them by the played minutes to put them into the same scale
As long as Lebron is playing, the rules will remain as is.
they sadly neutralized defense in the nba
When I played basketball as a kid (Europe) we would nearly fight to get the ball out of the hands of the other, it was fun!
Would it be worth some team taking a shot and hiring a European coaching staff, or is it really just overwhelmingly the rule differences and not stagnant strategy?
With these rules little guards like Steph are able to dominate the game with no hand check and being physical the little guy can move around as he pleases. Change the rules and let’s see if Steph can be as great. I would really like to see not rooting for or against Steph either I would just like to see how the little players would be
Defenders are already physical with steph off ball. Steph will be fine
@@lildroptop4178 yeah I’m sure he’d still be able be a great shooter but they are no way as physical as they were back in the day I don’t think Steph would be fine
@@lildroptop4178 the rules would also make inside scoring less effective which would increase importance of outside shooting
@@tbone2123 Steph would have scratches all up and down his arms with how physical they get with him. he might get a little less shooting percentage, but it won't plummet like how harden's, lillard, or trey's percentages got when the refs stopped calling earlier in the season.
@@yg2522 we never will know unless they change these pussy rules they have today
That's cause they let the Euros PLAY DEFENSE!!!!
It's simple: The NBA is an entertainment product. More points -> more entertainment. Defensive skills, tactics etc. rarely produce the "aaaahhs", "oooohhs" and "wow's that the short attention people need - especially on social media.
This is why comparing statistics across eras is so dumb.
I can see Shanon Sharp pull out his head from Lebron's butt and say, "Goat James was scoring 30 before he could walk but Jordan got cut from his middle school team." Lebron is called the most awesome physical specimen in the NBA but I see him mostly flop so I find it hard to believe he would have anything but lower career numbers if he played in those heavier defensive era's.
It's mostly due to the defensive 3 second violatoin rule. Centers can't camp in the paint for long periods of time in the NBA, so it makes it much harder on them to defend.
So in Fiba there is no 3 sec?
@@Chavanun555All international rules remained the same. Only NBA decided to change that rule end of 2002 season (if I'm not mistaken) to implement a faster pace and more beautifully offensive game. NBA also removed hand checking for good after 2003 season.
@@imhong28 so basically only nba has 3 sec? Is this correct?
@@Chavanun555 fiba has it still for offensive but on the defensive side is no 3s rule
@@hlw113 ok i see because i play fiba rules in my country and i am so tired of the 2-3 that the center just sits there for eternity and he is like fricking 7 ft
I contend that the 2000s had more defensive focused teams. League average was at an all time low for team total scores. 90s had it a bit higher even if they had handchecking.
Today's NBA is just like 1980's NHL. All offense, no defense. It's honestly hard to watch.
Imo lebron would still be great in 90s but he wouldn't average points as high as he did, and his accuracy would be lower especially since most of his points come from 0-3 feet, he would simply have a harder time and in the era where we had some of the greatest centers ever
He would be terrible in the 90’s. As bad as his shooting percentage outside of 3 feet is now he wouldnt even be a starter as a forward and the big men of the 90’s camping in the paint wouldnt be having it. Hes not bulldozing those guys and hes not creative enough to score the high difficulty lay ins like Jordan and others did. He would literally be a nobody in the 90’s.
@@walterrussell6584 don't be a clown...
@@riceislife6487 he's exaggerating but yeah, Lebron will just be a great player. You have to be aware that today's NBA is geared to favor offense so all the rules are on the offense side.
@@walterrussell6584 Pure clown talk,
@@xaviervega468 Exactly what someone with no points to make an argument with would say.
The new style of NBA offense makes comparisons between eras almost like comparisons of football before the evolution of the passing offense. Between the hindered D and the focus on threes and spacing, it is very fruitless to compare individual players on numbers.
Is this the game where one team runs down the court and scores. Then the other team does the same thing until they’ve scored about 100 points each?
Reach-in fouls have got to go! It is inevitable that you will touch or slightly tap the opponent’s hand when trying to steal the ball or when going to block it.
Put Lebron on the 90’s: 22 ppg 6 RPG 5 APG fg46% . All star player, not a top 10 all time.
Sure kid. The dude who average 27ppg as a sophomore in a "defensive era" is only gonna be a career 22 ppg scorer 8 years earlier. Yall the real Bronsexuals.
I always say he'd be Clyde Drexler..
Might be the most uneducated response I have seen.
Where are you getting your information from. All opinion based. Dumb
Crazy. Back in the day, the word was euro players had everything but defense. Now, the euro game had better defense. Wow..
I see it as that nobody adapted a jumper back in the day. everybody was just in the paint. practicing posting up on ppl on sht
Euope and the NBA should hold a competition once a year
The 5 top NBA teams vs top 5 European teams
Or something similar
Europeans Still Play 90s Basketball
Finally someone with some sense. It’s why I laugh when these new players talk about being better than players in the 90’s
"Hand checking needs to be brought back". Never left. They just arm check. Watch, like... *any* dribble drive FFS.
(3:33, kinda armcheck + hipcheck. 4:01...) And they *still* can't stay in front of anyone! Because it's the opposite of good D & shouldn't be encouraged.
... (Remember that playoff T Draymond got for slapping? We'll just before that, he had two hands on dude, pushing. In air! More dangerous, but uncalled, unmentioned in replay.)
Euro players in this vid mentioned lotsa aspects and...
None of them were hand checking.
In Europe you play against 5.
In the NBA you play against 1.
I fell in love with the NBA in the mid-90s and stayed loyal to it for about 15 years. The lack of intensity and weak defence turned me out. Now I only watch a handful of games per season. Big games in Europe are definitely more fun to watch.
No they aren't, watching euro games is like watching paint dry