What’s the best monitor that Apple doesn’t make?
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Five years ago Apple stopped selling their own branded monitors. And it's left a hole on the desks of many Apple users. There are lots of other monitor options available. But which one is a worthy companion for our desks? We found a few to choose from.
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0:00 Introduction
0:38 Apple's Monitor History
1:17 LG UltraFine Display
2:10 Let's leave the Apple Store
2:35 Thanks dbrand!
3:04 Razer Raptor
4:15 MSI Modern 24
5:32 Samsung Thunderbolt Ultrawide
5:54 Dell Ultrathin 27
7:11 Conclusion - Věda a technologie
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I finally get DBrand's name...
…help me out here
@@MaxCoplan Debrand. Cause the glorified electric tape they sell covers logos and shit.
And the logo….. I saw it, now I can’t unsee it
Came here to say this. I never got it before now and honestly I don’t know what to feel…
I had the same epiphany, it was like years of ads made sense now.
Hah, oh god. Nobody show Jonathan the "cable management" behind my monitor.
#Kabelsalat
There’s something deeply funny to me about Jonathan liking the Dell so much, that he bestowed it the great honour of replacing their logo with Apple’s.
I also never appreciated just how boring the vast majority of monitor designs are today until I saw the old Apple ones shown in this video. Top stuff!
Dell monitors have always been favourites for us Mac people who either don't have the budget for or need something a little different to what Apple offered. Pretty much everything else Dell makes is ass, but they've always made solid monitors.
I laughed so hard at that part.
@@TalesOfWar Agreed on the “ass” part. Like their monitors. Strongly dislike their other products. Hate their laptops.
@@TalesOfWar pretty much everything else? Not really, dell makes excellent servers and network equipment
@@danclark9987 what's wrong with their laptops? And which lineup? Their cheap ones or their expensive good ones? Their xps lineup is amazing. Best feeling keyboard in any laptop. Also just runs beautifully with a great screen.
Honestly, I was expecting a Dell. Not that one though. I’ve been thinking super hard about the Dell UltraSharp U2720Q. It’s got 95% DCI-P3, HDR400, 4K, is height & orientation adjustable and outputs 90W of power with more ports than the one you showed. It’s currently listed for $539 on the Dell website.
It’s pretty obvious that Dell is really trying to grab Mac folks with that screen.
Was also expecgint a Dell, I have a P3421W ultrawide, similar design to every other Dell display, and it's just sleek and unassuming when on a desk.
Absolutely wasn't expecting the Razer one, though, that thing is an eyesore that belongs on a teenager's gaming desk, not anything remotely design focused or professional. Really goes to show how subjective this is.
Well if that's what Dell was trying to do then it worked because that's the one I ended up getting. I've been using it since about January and it's quite nice.
@@Joel11111 how is the brightness? That’s the only thing that’s really worried me. I have the model before this connected to my iMac Pro at work. I love it, but it’s not the brightest thing.
@@lougan At least for me personally, I don't have an issue with the brightness. In fact I have it turned down to around 40% or so to keep it easy on my eyes. I guess how much the brightness matters depends on what you use it for. I use it a lot for school, which means a lot of reading black and white text, which for me can result in a lot of eye strain and headaches if the screen is too bright. If Apple made aesthetically pleasing (So not you, ugly LG ultra fine 5K monitors), affordable monitors I would 100% switch to that for the True Tone, but Dell is a good second place.
One caveat with this monitor that I should mention though is about a month and a half ago the monitor randomly bugged out and started flickering a lot. Dell customer support was nice and sent me a refurbished replacement since it was covered under their warranty. The problem seemed to go away on its own while the replacement was in shipment, so I ended up not needing the replacement and I sent it back. I still have no idea what happened or why it went away on its own, but at least I know that it's not too difficult to get a replacement from Dell if something goes wrong.
Dell and LG both make better displays.
I feel like you completely skipped over the LG 27UP850-W... I have two and they're fantastic. 27" 4K IPS Panel with 96w USB-C, and I use one of the USB-A ports for Ethernet - The design and adjustable stand would meet your needs too.
exactly the monitor i went for - it's ace (save the 60hz refresh rate)
Yeah was surprised about that too. Have it as well and can confirm that these are amazing.
I second this. They're really great for photo-editing, and I don't really play a lot of fast-paced esports games so 60 fps is fine for me.
@@TheEvilCommenter Totally agree. My background is 30 years in print, imaging and photography so I’ve had to work with all kinds of display from basic ones that should have been in the skip to a top-end Eizo that I had in my last business and I honestly regretted getting rid of. This also means I know how to pick a good display and calibrate it so when it came time last year to pick a new display to go with the M1 Mini that I bought for testing I did a hard look at many and considered everything including price, performance, features etc. After a lot of hard research and testing monitors from £200 to £1200, I settled for the LG 27UP850-W too and even sat alongside my 27” 5k Retina iMac it still holds its own and I couldn’t have been happier with it. An absolute gem of a display in its clas and for the price I don’t think it can be beaten.
I like the 4K LG one with the ergo stand better also usb c
Seriously, thanks for taking this approach to monitors. Most of the coverage is purely gaming focused, so it’s nice to see some other options that focus on other creature comforts besides frame rate
HP Z27 is quite nice.
Ironically razer gets trashed for gaming
His choice is an "S" series Dell? - video really lacks substance. - its like he didn't even check what the different Dell ranges are. - I guess Apple just makes yuppie toys these. days, not workstations for creatives.
It's funny how this guy thinks Apple is good quality and the not hot garbage that it is
@@StayPuft787 I watched Hardware Unboxed video on that display. They didn't pull any punches lol
I’m very late to say this but if you ever do another one of these I think the top priority is 220 ppi (or 110 in some cases) so you don’t have mismatched UI sizes and don’t have to rely on fuzzy scaling. Apple has kept to the same ppi ratios for nearly a decade now. If you want to pick a real apple monitor substitute (to go with an iMac or laptop at least) you have to match the resolution.
Well, the top pick is perfectly fine in that regards.
It's funny how he didn't focus on PPI. The whole reason you say you want a monitor for "Mac" is because you're looking to get a 1:1 scaling factor found with 220 PPI and 110 PPI.
@@erikcortes5015 But the monitor he did end up recommending, the Dell, is 109PPI. As (approximately) are all QHD 27" monitors.
None of these damn monitors appear to have VESA mounting holes which really grinds my gears.
The msi have vesa mount under that circular thing behind. And Razer sells a Vesa adapter for $100.
I don't know many mac users who will bother to remove the stand and mount the monitor. There may be a few such users but the mac life is all about "it just works". When it doesn't "just work", mac users just learn to live with it.
dell U27.. have vesa mount
How about the 3:2 Huawei 28,2" MateView 28
Probably one of the cleanest looking monitors there is
Yeah that one is underrated
Not available in North America
@@xWoodenLeafx Too bad Huawei is banned in the USA, they make cool stuff
All Chinese products are full of bullshit.
@@atisbasak lol everything is made in china dude, even apple products. Read the small text.
For the last 10 years Dell has been hitting hard on the lcd market and has quite a few impressive monitors out there with decent prices to boot.
Even better, Dell uses a lot of older LG panels. It's a decent way to pick up an LG display, cheaper (especially with tools like Honey).
BTW Hardware Unboxed recently did a scathing review of the Razer Raptor 27, calling it “overpriced trash”. That said, I agree that most monitors really do look pretty damned ugly and I would love it if Apple re-entered the consumer/prosumer space here with something both really attractive and of high quality.
Razer is the black Apple in terms of design (appearance), just not up to the Apple quality, not even close.
The monitor itself is good, it’s just so so overpriced. You could get a 4K 144Hz for the same price. That being said I like the look
@@Dubitz Yeah. My comment aged… interestingly.
@@asdf51501 yep. New apple monitor ended up being like razers: overpriced and dumb.
The reason he Hardware Unboxed call it trash is because the panel is far too slow for 144/165hz compliance.
At 60hz it's fine.
NICE! Any time you will go on WAN Show? I really enjoyed your take on the event.
Mac boy ain't getting that typa clout yet
@@lemonbeast7526 key word is yet!
@@lemonbeast7526 Anthony is the best
Really wish apple did an updated thunderbolt display, I really loved it.
Totally agree with you. A m1 mac mini + new thunderbolt display would be awesome low budget but good performance mac.
Absolutely! The convenience was fantastic as it was literally like an iMac without the Mac. A great speaker system, nice USB hub, and decent camera / mic setup.
This aged well...
Studio display?
Well, now you don't have to wish ;)
I’m disappointed that you didn’t talk about the image quality aspect (a more in-depth color coverage that closest to MacBook’s) of the external monitors. One of the biggest feature of MacBook for me is the beautiful screen and it is very hard to replicate when using an external monitor. Hope you can talk about it in the future!
Seriously, this video makes no sense. What the fuck
Yes, especially considering text rendering. I was so surprized to see lower resolution monitor recommendations when Big Sur has now removed subpixel antialiasing for fonts.
All LG has to do is stop using that strange crescent/C-stand which is very unwieldy on a desk. Their Ultrafine monitors that they co-developed with Apple have the perfect stand: a solid metal, low-profile rounded rectangle. The Ergo stand on some models is pretty nice too and has good integrated cable management. But yeah, this video was really not actually looking out for a Mac user’s real interests, more likely pushing this sponsored junk through referral links.
ugh....so you don't even tried to watch the video. We are not talking here about $2k+ garbage with cool colors here
@@s.i.m.c.a ?? I watched it that’s why I give that comment. Do you realize the title contain “BEST” word? And talking about the best without considering color on monitor (especially to pair with MacBook) feels kinda off. I won’t comment like that if the tittle is “The Most Apple-esque Monitor on Budget”.
Don’t get me wrong, I love this channel and that’s exactly why I give constructive critic 😉
Something about your tone and disposition is just so chill and friendly and relaxing. I appreciate you!
I’m still rocking the 27inch Cinema Display with my M1 Mac mini
Same. Still going strong after 10 years
@@marccastles are you using it with a M1 Mac
@@RavageEject84 nah. I still have an Intel MacBook Pro
I recently got a Samsung M70A monitor, and that works fantastically with my Mac. Connection over USB-C with 60 watt power delivery, 2 HDMI ports, 4K resolution with a 32” panel, and support for AirPlay if you want to use it with your Mac wirelessly (although it’s not a great experience) or send content from your phone, and a few USB-A ports on the back (although they’re a little hit and miss if you plug in a hard drive). The only potential downside for some is that it’s a “smart” monitor, so you can also use it to watch Netflix or CZcams, use Dex if you’ve got a Samsung phone, or use it as a remote desktop thin client (which I haven’t used but is a pretty cool idea). If you just want it as a monitor though, it’s still excellent just as a screen and the price is fantastic, and the smart features are pretty snappy so it’d also make a good screen for a student dorm room.
I bought a lower end LG 4k Display based on a recomendation from my local apple store (UHD 27UL850 ). It has 2 USB A ports so I can add any device I want, and is a perfect companion for my Macbook Air M1.
THIS! Absolutely this!
Honestly, I have one of those myself and I'd be hesitant to recommend it. The 4K panel is nice, and in SDR mode it looks pretty good, and I like that it has a height adjust stand and hardware calibration support, but I've found that the black levels on it are atrocious - not just in comparison to like an OLED or a high end LCD, but even when compared to my old cheap business grade Dell screen. The HDR honestly feels like a borderline scam based on how bad it looks, and there's a lot of small creature comfort type things that it falls down in - it won't auto switch inputs between displayport and USB-C (admittedly a problem only for folks with multiple computers), the cables all jut out straight out of the back (I'll concede that's probably better for a VESA mount though), the stand is pretty wobbly, it picks up a lot of glare and reflections for a matte display. If you have one and you like it then honestly all power to you, but as I said I'd be hesitant to recommend it.
It also has the best monitor stand imo
@@elecxonica so do you have a better option?
very good made video - seems like quite a work filming the different scenes and scripting the whole video! Thanks a lot
I want Apple to produce another monitor so much! What gets me is how wobbly so many monitors are. I use a sit / stand desk, which moves a fair amount at standing height, and a steady monitor really helps.
The dells are super stable. Some of the best bases I’ve ever used.
@@Tango_Lima_ Good to know, thanks.
Don't forget to add a couple 1000 bucks for a monitor stand
Don't forget most monitors have a Vesa Mount. You could buy a nice quality monitorarm for it, which looks nicer and cleaner imo as well. It gives you more space on your desk as well.
Just make sure you buy a good quality one, by watching reviews, if you care about wobbliness. Also, take the adjustable maximum height in consideration
Guess what, they did! The Apple Studio Display, from 1600 USD!
I would love an updated version of this for 2023/2024, especially after Apple removed sub pixel anti-aliasing on MacOS.
i have the razer one for my docking station- it's significantly cheaper when it's on sale (i got it for only like $400). if you can find it at that price point, i think it's definitely worth it.
I’m so glad I’m a Mac user who isn’t design obsessed. Function over form every time!
They need not fight ‘form follows function’ was the bauhaus way. To me I think it means that there can be a sleek design that aids in use.
Before Johnny Ives left there seemed to be too much effort trying to chase a pure geometric aesthetic that detracted from usability. I’m glad that appears to have ended.
I really love this video, its hard to find good monitors now and Jonathan nailed it. I always wanted a monitor where you can change the brightness without using the buttons on the monitor and this is great news.
I love the way the MA videos look and sound. Jonathon's narration feels very well thought out and worded. Overall, just very artisan, very nice to watch and learn even though I'm not an Apple guy.
I'm surprised we didn't see any of Asus's Pro Art monitors? I've got two Thunderbolt Displays daisy changed with a TB 3 to TB 2 adapter. So while I'm happy with them, I have noticed that my MacBook Pro does have a slightly better/more vibrant display, and I've had my first one of these for about ten years now. (Second one was bought used from someone on Kijiji for 600 CND which was a great price but I kinda realized I didn't really need the second one.)
I suspect I'll give these to a family member should Apple ever come out with a semi-reasonably priced prosumer-focused monitor again. For now though they're great. When I'm at work I can connect them to my work computer with one cable, then connect them to my MacBook with the same cable. My only qualm is I wish I could charge my Mac with that one cable instead of having to have a separate charging cable. I've thought of getting a TB3 dock from Cal Digital or something but that seems excessive for just moving from one cable to two. I wish Apple had just allowed the Tb3 adapter to carry a charge from a connected cable.
I was about to suggest this too. I can imagine that the PA329CV is a little too bulky and plastic for the aesthetic he's discussing, but the color calibration out of the box is a strong choice for designers on a budget.
He wanted a monitor that was less than $800. That Asus is $4500 and honestly if you are spending that much you might as well get the Apple one.
@@theangryintern You're probably thinking of the PA27UCX-K or PA32UCX-PK, which are the the mini-LED displays.
The model number I posted is a 32" 4k UHD model at 799 US.
That said, I also goofed: that model isn't out quite yet; I should have posted the PA279CV, which is a 27" 4k model that can be found for under $500 US.
My 24" Apple Cinema Display I used as a second monitor recently died. I just bought the ProArt PA248QV to replace it (due to space restrictions, it fits perfectly and has the same aspect ratio and resolution). The color accuracy is amazing and now makes my much more expensive 27" 1440p monitor next to it look a little washed out by comparison. I'm very happy with it. My only complaint is the external aesthetics are a little cheesy with the included ruler on the bottom bezel (Chin).
I was surprised the pro art PA32UC had a “pro” moniker and was said to be good for colour grading. Perhaps it is, but I found the artefacts from the backlight zoning way too distracting and sent it back. Had it tested first to make sure it wasn’t a hardware or software issue, not it was working as intended. It made the joker movie into a mess of backlit squares for highlights.
For a $2k monitor in 2020 I felt a bit let down. My dell 27 ultrasharps with premiere colour have been solid performers will have to wait a bit longer to be replaced.
You just know the Razer monitor will break down the moment its two year warranty is up. No idea how that company stays in business or even manages to keep customers.
They make a lot of great products
@@davidfrederiksen3185 Do they? My limited experience with their products hasn't been great so far. My most recent victim being my Razer headset. The left speaker is now noticeably quieter than the right. Also the ear cups started falling apart after just 6 months of use
@@Sceusell Well, either my skull is acidic or they changed materials in 4 years lol
@@davidfrederiksen3185 they can make good products, but the monitor is definitely not one of them.
@@TheCompyshop Razer headset user here, my left speaker becomes quieter if I rotate it to max, if I go back a few mm they sound equal. Still kinda annoying that they started doing that after a few days and quite annoying having to remind myself to take extra adjustment steps, but I least these ones didn't break like my old Kraken. I went Razer again only because they had the best reviews in that price range but having got items that break twice in a row (even if not completely this time around) I doubt I'll ever be able to trust their build quality or their QC again.
They can luck out a nice product, it's just the chance of getting a good one vs a bad one seems to be inversed with them. They do deserve their reputation.
Plus I know this wasn't a gaming review but everyone here should check Tim's review (Hardware Unboxed) on it. Bottom line it underperforms like an old monitor of half the price (because its panel is), its only redeeming quality is the looks, and yet not worth the pricing.
LG 27UK850-W 27 is also a solid option. I freaking love it
I really love the editing in this channel.
Who's here after the Studio Display dropped?
I'm considering an Ultrawide because annoyingly the new M1 MacBooks don't support two external displays.
Get the ultra wide. It sucked for PC gaming but for what you’re using it for itlll be dope
Funny how relevant this video is, since I'm sitting at my auxiliary desk, using my 2018 MacBook Air, and using an old Dell monitor from 2012 as a secondary display.
I'm rocking the LG 32Un880-B and I'm loving it!
Love this channel! It's laid back and well presented, obviously for Apple users but not fanboyish or afraid to give constructive criticism. Hope it grows!
I really loved the Thunderbolt Display. I want a new (affordable) generation.
Currently I’m using a 49“ ultrawide Phillips 499P9H that offers a full usb-c docking station with 100W charging and even Ethernet. You could get one for 600€ right now and I can highly recommend if you want/need that screen real estate
?? its currently 1,6k?
This is the exact video I wanted. Thank you Mac Address and CZcams
I love this channel! I feel so identified with every video's topic 😅
I think there are quite a few monitors that are missing on this list. For ecample the Huawei MateView 28 inch 4K monitor could be great, or on the high end the LG 38WN95C-W.
You were close with the dell. The actual one you should get is the Dell U2722DE. It's just so much better.
I have the LG Ultrafine 4K 23.9" monitor from the Apple Store (Which you mentioned) paired with my M1 MacBook Pro, which replaces my 2012 21.5" iMac.
I picked this monitor in particular for a few reasons: it uses Apple's DCI-P3 colourspace so it very closely matches the MacBook Pro screen, it's so simple to just plug in with the one Thunderbolt cable, and I can adjust the brightness from the keyboard instead of having to fiddle with buttons on the side trying to find the brightness options. There didn't seem to be any other monitor where you can so easily adjust brightness or set auto brightness.
It is a very barebones monitor, but it's minimalist and seamlessly integrates with the Mac, and they do say simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. I've had it since last November and love it, it's as easy to use as docking a Nintendo Switch.
great video! would love to see your selection without a budget, specially to have more higher resolution monitors that look good!
Love the fresh style you give this show
I faced this problem when I picked up the M1 mini… LG panels were either unavailable or priced above the computer value itself … ended up with slightly used Dell P2415Q… 4K@60@24” is closer to Retina than alternatives and cost me shy of 200$… happy so far, but I would consider an Apple alternative ;)
This is a video i was waiting for soo long. Happy mac address found some solutions
I have the Dell as a display for work with my Dell XPS 15 and love it! I use a thunderbolt dock under the desk so i can run hdmi and get the full 600nit HDR with 12 bit colour.
1080p is enormous at 24 inches. It's okay on it's own, but at ~90 dpi next to a 230 DPI MBP? I did that for 2 years with a 13" 2017 MBP at work (I didn't pick the monitor) and absolutely hated it.
Agreed rather brutal when you get used to quality high PPI screens, other screens look like washed out flyscreens by comparison
The 5K UltraFine is the only one that actually has a good resolution tbh.
Omg , this video is so perfect . Addresses the exact problem I have point to point. I thought as if this was going to be like finding a needle in a haystack . But lo and behold . Thank you so much brother !
I’ve had that exact dell 1440p 2 years ago which was very fine with the usb-c charging and I have to say extraordinarily light and nicely build. That said it didn’t offer a visual upgrade compared to my previous dell monitor. I would very much recommend to go with a 4k monitor for that similar price which led me to the lg 27uk850-w which also offers the single cable usb-c charging and display.
I don't own a single mac product but I still watched the whole video. You have a magnetic personality keep up the good work
I'm really surprized you'd recommend 1080p and 1440p monitors for MacBooks... Since Big Sur removed subpixel antialiasing for fonts macOS renders text horribly blurry on lower density displays. And I don't mean compared to how text looks on retina displays. Big Sur does comparatively worse with text on a low density monitor than a Windows laptop on the same display.
We have been daily driving the Dell Ultrasharp U2520D for a while now and everybody at the office is totally in love with it! Especially the Mac users. It's quite a challenge to find a monitor with display which matches a Macbook and with a design that fits.
This channel is great, really love it!
As someone who works on a computer shop, this video is awesome since now I know what to recommend to Mac users who want an external monitor that "fits" their macbooks.
But in my opinion, you fail to address which monitor is better related to their color accuracy to an actual Macbook or iMac screen, which is what most people tend to ask me.
Then you should absolutely ignore the Razer. There are better monitors out there for such a steep price
Well isn't this silly now?
Five months later and apple releases exactally what we wanted.
Aaaaaaand its 1600$ and uses the same panel of a 2015 iMac with a slightly better backlight.
I have two LG 27UK670-B monitors on my Mac Mini M1, and they're fantastic so far. 4K resolution, USB-C/HDMI/DisplayPort inputs, a dual USB-A port hub on the back, and the stands are pretty decent. They're between $400 and $450 each depending where you shop.
The problem with 1440p and Macs is that you can only get (HiDPI) mode at 720p. It is pretty sweet that variable refresh rate works so if you have a monitor and Mac that supports it you can get some pretty nice Freesync. Myself I purchased a ViewSonic OMNI XG2705-2K 27. While it doesn't have a USB-C input, it cost me less than $300 and also works in landscape or portrait.
Why didn't you mention the beautiful 'industrial' looking HP Z monitors!? I've got the 4K 10-bit 27" HP Z monitor for 650 Euros :) It's regularly in sale and also has enough features, it stands besides my 2019 16" MacBook pro.
I have 2 HP Z monitors at work that have DisplayPort over USB-C. I’m very pleased with them. They have power delivery over USB-C as well as onboard USB Type A and USB-C ports, as well as an audio out jack.
I've got a Z32. Honestly, not a lot of people know about them and they might not be available in all markets. I mean, there's still not a single review of the Z32 out there, and it's a 2018 model.
That being said, it has a sturdier build compared to similar LG and Benq offerings (4k 32" USB-C). It's still plastic, don't get me wrong, but it's way more refined and tasteful. Similar LG monitors (think 32UD99, 32UL950, etc.) have had massive panel defects and Benq models (like the PD3220U) were incredibly hard to find in my experience.
You’re frustrated Apple left this market, I’m frustrated about it, too. Today I had to set up a new router which Apple also left. It was a pain it the neck. I eventually settled on an ASUS ZenWiFi XT8 which has many of the same features including time machine support and an iPhone App to set it up via Bluetooth. So that’s pretty neat but it also comes with pages of bloatware and AI schemes end BullGuard and F-Secure. It also refuses to operate with the 10.0 range, and instead insists on 192.168.50.x, so I have to redo all my setups to change their IP’s.
Why did Apple exit the router market, and what would you do now? Come on, your channel’s name is literally MAC address :p
LG 27UK850-W 27" 4K was the best one I found for Mac. It supports 4K 60 with USBC DisplayPort and 65W charging. It also has build-in speaker that does not sound like trash.
I literally was trying to find a monitor for my MacBook Air yesterday. Well timed!
Did you finalise one?
I personally care more about resolution and color accuracy, for the work i do
A really good option that's lately come on the market, in my opinion, is the Huawei Mateview. It looks a lot like an iMac, is about £600, supports HDR and has a 3:2 3840x2560 resolution - basically 4k but with extra height.
In general though, the monitor market has been really frustrating for long time Apple users. Until the Dell 32" 8k monitor came out (which doesn't even work on macs), there was no monitor on the market that beat the old 30" Apple Cinema Display in all specifications. You could get higher DPI and resolution but at a smaller physical size. You could get larger monitors but without an improvement in DPI. There's finally been some nice improvement in what's available in the 32" 4k market but nothing that has it nailed yet.
I went with a pair of the LG Ultrafine 27" UHD displays. I skipped the stands and went with a dual articulating monitor arm instead, which sorts out the cable management and gives me lots of adjustment and even rotation options. At $450 each, I was able to pair with a thunderbolt 4 dock for one cable plug and charge. Two monitors isn't for everyone, such as M1 macbook users - but it works great with my 16" macbook and my M1 macmini.
Nice video! For the samsung monitor, I use the one from their S series monitors (S65U Monitor, same price). The logo smacked in this product is compacted and modern in this edition (which im glad of).
No mention of Thunderbolt, just a USB-C with the 3.0 being for the older USB plugs.
Ever watch a video and realize it’s the video you’ve been looking for but didn’t know it? I’ve been looking for a monitor that fits the Mac look for ages
Same.
>industrial design
>cable management
>USB-C
literally the 3 least important things, in the name of vanity. just focus on a good panel, and then you can get a higher-end, purpose-built USB hub to handle the other functionality.
What do you expect from a self confessed Mac Fanboy?
@@Boodoo4You Considering people say macs are used by media creators, (photo, video, music, etc.), something with concessions to that. A high resolution (aka: not 1080 and 1440p), pre-calibrated color-accurate, huge display.
Remember, this is LTT, they should have something better than "it looks pretty".
@@Hittsy This is why a lot of Mac users end up with UltraSharps. They come with good connectivity, they're (mostly) solid, good accurate panels, wide array of resolution and size options etc. They also don't look horrible. They're their professional line of displays so they don't try to do too much with the aesthetics and understand you're focusing on the content and not the box it's housed in.
Great video. I was thinking of ditching my Macbook for desktop. Tired of the neck strain, but don't want to lose the portability.
man, i loved this video - it's just really well done
Maybe the Eve Spectrum 4K one, if it ever hits store shelves to buy easier. It has like all the features and a quite understated (though plastic) design.
It basically the same as that LG 4k 120hz monitor with USB C added to it, which makes it perfect for Macs.
I wouldn’t trust that company with 5c of my money.
@@Boodoo4You hence why “in store” if you can call Best Buy for the replacement it should be fine.
@@EraYaN No it shouldn’t be fine lol. I don’t support companies with a history of scamming customers, censoring opinions, and lying to consumers. You want to get on your knees for a monitor? Go ahead.
@@Boodoo4You hardware is hardware dude, especially in countries where the store handles the warranty… might as well
Razer Monitor lmao!
I recommend you to watch Hardware Unboxed video about Razer Raptor :)
I personally went with the LG 32UL950-W, which is a 32" 4K HDR600 monitor. It's very pricey but it has Thunderbolt 3 (60W power delivery), a range of ports (TB3, DP, HDMI, USB-C out, 2x USB A 3.0 out, Audio in, Audio out), very slim and uniform bezels and a white back.
From the front it could almost pass as a Pro Display XDR, it doesn't even have a logo on it.
Also, it has a VESA Adapter, which the displays shown in this video don't have.
I have the Samsung 34" ultrawide here and it's an awesome display. When this is hooked up, my MacBook Pro's display becomes the secondary display (as in, the one I use the least). Also great for media consumption - the 21:9 ratio is fantastic for movies.
I just bought one off Amazon for $399….. great to hear it works!
You're the one LTT host who doesn't obsess over "gaming" - thanks for making videos that the rest of us can relate to!
"The other monitors on the market are ugly"
Proceeds to place a cheese grater on desk
I was in the same boat looking for displays that I could afford to go with my Mac. Researched and shopped hi and low. Settled on Dell. Great displays, great bases and plug options.
I purchased a 23" Lenovo 2K display about 4 years ago. It's great for what I need it for, and I got it for a great price! This is a great video-- saves me loads of time looking for an aging display that I have hooked up to my Mac mini.
1080p?
What's the model name?
I don't understand how you can recommend these low res monitors to go with a MacBook. Less than 4k is extremely jarring next to a "retina" density display. Macos looks terrible at 1080p
True
The idea was to find a monitor that works well with the Mac without shelling out an arm/leg. He took into consideration your concerns also. Until Apple makes a consumer monitor that is not horribly overpriced/expensive/taking out a second mortgage on, these four will do fine.
Isn't the Razer display really bad? Hardware Canucks and HUB both have reviews that demolish the monitor as something that's not worth buying at all, even at half the asking price.
I guess I can understand the logic of the criteria used? But they all seem... Antithetical to what you should be looking for in a monitor. You'd want a color-accurate panel that performs reasonably well for when you want to do photo or video work, and it mskes itself a nice touch when entertaining yourself with Netflix and the like. But the criteria mentioned just seem to be focused on aesthetics and convenience, not a good overall user experience and product quality.
Good industrial design, I'd like to think that most of the time, I'll be staring at the display, not the bezels and stand surrounding it.
Good cable management? This seems so arbitrary. It's a nice add-on feature in a monitor, I suppose, but definitely not what should be taken as a major factor when choosing an external display to work on.
USB - C may be the most logical of the three criteria, considering Apple's current port decisions, but even then, I'd say DP is the major thing to consider. But yeah, letting this one go.
I'm unable to understand the ultimate point of this video. Apple doesn't make affordable, industrial design displays, so let's get the one that aesthetically resembles their offerings without any of the picture quality that would be needed? I guess that would work if all you're doing is writing on a browser, browsing social media, etc. But once you go into professional work, literally all of the monitors shortlisted here would fall apart terribly, making them an even worse comparison to current Apple displays.
Additionally, I don't see the reason to dissuade a 27" 1440p display option. The pixel density a 1440p display has, plus the graphical horsepower needed to run a 1440p display make it one of the most compelling choices to buy as a PC monitor. 4k really only starts making logical sense if
a) you're doing a lot of editing and color work where pixel accuracy is required (where all of these monitors fall apart again, anyway)
b) if the display is larger 32" or larger (which none of these displays are anyway)
What's the point of a good-looking monitor if it doesn't perform well?
This
Agreed
This is really cool Jonathan!
I happen to have the S2719DW, which is the same design and panel, just without the port options in back. I have it connected to a USB-C hub which is tucked away, so my whole desk - monitor, Edifier bookshelf speakers, mechanical keyboard, card reader, all connect to my M1MBA via 1 cable.
I want a display that matches the resolution of my 5K iMac and none of these monitors are it.
Good thing Apple lets you use the iMac as a display, right? .. They DO let you use it as just a display, right?
LG ultrafine 5K.., still the best option and same panel as the imac ☝️
@@PanoWorks It isn't that Apple don't let you, it's that the tech isn't capable of it. It came out before 5K was a thing over a single cable so they made their own timing controller so it would work. It isn't jut 2 streams combined into one like other 5K displays did, it's a single, contiguous image. The bandwidth just didn't exist in any existing standards at the time for it to work so they did their own. Kind of how Lightning predates USB-C for reversible connectors. No standard existed, so they did their own.
The Razer monitor isn't even a good monitor for it's price range lmao. You can get around a lot of these ugly stands by getting a nice vesa arm and a thin bezel display
Literally facts. I'm surprised they had it here.
Thank you, also surprised to see it in the video…
Great video! Subscribed.
I honestly was facing exactly this problem a few weeks ago. Bought a cheap 4k monitor, should do the job until there is something which will be integrated in macOS, as my old thunderbolt display was.
Great video. Supports me in my findings, that there is no perfect solution right now.
"There are a load of other monitors out there, but they're all ugly"
And the cheese grater is pretty?
This video accurately, effectively and openly caters to all of the worst aspects of Apple fans. I am genuinely unsure whether to dislike what it's doing, or like how well it's doing it.
What?
I got LG 27UP850. It's Apple certified ultrafine 27" with 4k, HDR400 and USB-C 96W. Work like a charm with MBA M1. 27UP600 seems to use the same panel, but without USB-C and it's cheaper. If you don't care that much about the design, this may be a good choice.
I've been running a pair of Dell P2715Q monitors since 2015 on both Mac's and PC and they have been the one constant in my setup. I've been through a 2013 Mac Pro, a desktop gaming PC, various PC laptops and I'm now on an M1 Air - what can I say, my workload has changed over the years. These things have been solid and I don't have a single dead pixel on either of them. Okay so I can only run 1 of them with my M1 Air, but that's another story, and I'll hang on to the spare one for now as I'm more likely to part with the Air at some point for a 14" MBP than I am to sell the monitors. In all of the time I have had them I've not once thought the bezels are too big. They are a uniform 2cm the whole way around, which is massive by todays standards, but it matters not, I don't look at them as I'm often working in a dark room to edit photos. The built in stand, supports swivel, hight adjustment and rotation. They have been utterly reliable, and are often on 12+ hours a day. I've also used them on an Xbox too and while I can't support 4K 60 on them, they are still good enough. I think us Apple users need to spend less time looking at the size of bezels and look at the functionality and performance of things like monitors. We are our own worst enemy, demanding that things look pretty and thin, but then complaining when our gear stops working because it over heats or has a terrible keyboard. There are plenty of good monitors from brands like Dell, HP, Eizo, BenQ, etc that will last you years and cost a fraction of what Apple is charging. Not everything needs to look like it is in an Apple Store and on permanent display. Got into any studio, development lab, or any professional environment and it's really not like that at all and functionality and accessibility trump thin bezels all day every day.
This video is just going to add fuel to the fire that Apple fanboys just care about how things look. I get that when all things are equal, go with the better-looking option, even if it cost more. But things like resolution and color accuracy didn't even play into your decision. This was just a "what monitor makes my desk look pretty?" video.
This is the best channel LMG produces... Finally Linus made one channel that worth a damn.
I went with the M27Q from MSI for this use. I also have a desktop PC hooked up to it and the built-in KVM makes it easy to switch. The correct USB-C cable (not included) will provide a DisplayPort signal, keyboard and mouse input and a trickle of power to the MacBook Pro. The monitor is 1440p at 27” with good brightness and color accuracy.
Hey! Can you provide the link to the appropriate USB-C Cable? Will the usual USB-C Charging Cable which comes with MacBook Air work?
Hey that intro sequence has a superior frame rate to ANY gaming experience I’ve ever had on a Mac!
This is the one where his real personality comes out. In a good way or bad way? That's up to you.
None in 4k ugh so USELESS
34wk95u-w from LG is 5k2k ultrawide. you could also go for a dell ultrasharp or LG ultrafine, those are at least 4k but not ultrawide.
THIS is the type of content that I love
Applicable and fun
Thanks MA
Mac Address is quickly becoming my favorite channel. I don't own a mac but I enjoy the content. Also really makes me want a mac book for work.
It DEFINITELY is not the Razer monitor. It’s CRAP.
Edit: OH GOD… I didn’t think you’d even consider it… the only thing it’s good at is at looking “good”.
im not a mac user but i have a lot of customers that are. and that last dell, that is a DAMN good looking panel. and the best part about dell screens: they simply dont die. ive had dell monitors that were pushing 15 years old and they just pop right on and work all day. so that one will probably serve you quite well for a long time. and the brushed silver look is a close match to the classy apple metal.
I have an old 27” thunderbolt monitor and it’s great. Nice colors and convenient io. It’s not a gaming monitor or anything but it does the job.
LG's 34" 5k ultrawide would be my pick. They showed a 40" ultrawide at CES this year but they haven't said a peep since which is a shame because I'd like a larger screen even if I'm losing some pixel density.