Windu vs Palpatine scene FIXED (Palpatine's real fight speed)

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  • čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
  • In this video I tried to fix some possible mistakes that George Lucas may have made when creating this scene.
    Palpatine is supposed to kill the 3 Jedi Masters lightning fast, but his fighting style turned out to be slower than it should have been. I fixed that sequence and other things (like the ending of the scene).
    I hope you enjoy this video! It would be great to hear some opinions about it ;)
    -Thanks for watching-
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  • @darthkronos4214
    @darthkronos4214  Před 7 lety +809

    In this video I tried to fix some possible mistakes that George Lucas may have made when creating this scene.
    Palpatine is supposed to kill the 3 Jedi Masters lightning fast, but his fighting style turned out to be slower than it should have been. I fixed that sequence and other things (like the ending of the scene).
    I hope you enjoy this video! It would be great to hear some opinions about it ;)

    • @skullbelly222
      @skullbelly222 Před 6 lety +24

      lol, It looks like u beat me to it xD I was working on the exact same thing, awesome job dude!!!

    • @milespierre66
      @milespierre66 Před 6 lety +7

      Do u know the 3 names of the Jedi Masters?

    • @anakinskywalker9773
      @anakinskywalker9773 Před 6 lety +5

      Darth Kronos Of course I enjoyed this Video, it's my
      Favorite part, especially when Anakin gets dubbed
      Darth.... Vader

    • @anakinskywalker9773
      @anakinskywalker9773 Před 6 lety +4

      Darth Kronos Dude, you are
      Fucking Amazing," I look forward to watching your Career with great interest.."
      Senator Palpatine,aka Darth
      Sidious

    • @anakinskywalker9773
      @anakinskywalker9773 Před 6 lety +2

      Darth Kronos Join Me, and
      We Can Start a New Empire,
      That Rule The Galaxy in
      Fear, and The Sith Will
      Reign Supreme Once Again

  • @cheatsykoopa98
    @cheatsykoopa98 Před 4 lety +2840

    funny thing is this scene is already sped up in the original because the actor couldnt really fight that fast

    • @kellenat0r346
      @kellenat0r346 Před 4 lety +501

      also if you look closely, they used CGI for lots of the scenes, its especially noticed when you look at the face. but Ian did a great job fighting for how old he was

    • @zynnertime1
      @zynnertime1 Před 4 lety +141

      They used cgi here and they also had a stunt actor there’s pictures of Ian with the stunt together

    • @ericlarson8917
      @ericlarson8917 Před 4 lety +58

      I think i saw on a dvd extra that ian and sam found the fight challenging since they are not great stuntmen lets just say that.

    • @krishnarjunar2724
      @krishnarjunar2724 Před 3 lety +58

      @@kellenat0r346 and Christopher Lee was 83 while playing Dooku.Ian mcdiarmid is only 76 now

    • @kellenat0r346
      @kellenat0r346 Před 3 lety +45

      Krishna Arjun yeah they used cgi in some of Lee’s stunts too, and some people do age differently so that comes into play as well

  • @godgus1863
    @godgus1863 Před 4 lety +1315

    Anakin said when he walked into the room he just saw flashes of red and purple light, imagine it in that speed.

    • @firingallcylinders2949
      @firingallcylinders2949 Před 2 lety +157

      Kind of shows you just how good Windu was at saber combat

    • @sebastianhernandez4176
      @sebastianhernandez4176 Před 2 lety +106

      @@firingallcylinders2949 Windu is so underrated

    • @YwY-ct5yq
      @YwY-ct5yq Před 2 lety +30

      I made the vid play 2x faster to get a good sense of what Anakin saw

    • @MMAisTHEbestSPORT08
      @MMAisTHEbestSPORT08 Před 2 lety +4

      @@sebastianhernandez4176 No, he's a major asshole and he deserves to be known less. Especially after the hell he put Ahsoka through and after he treated Anakin like trash for his whole life.

    • @TheGOAT-dr1sq
      @TheGOAT-dr1sq Před 2 lety +48

      @@MMAisTHEbestSPORT08
      He didn’t treat Anakin like trash…. He was being protective over Anakin…. He knew Anakin had dark tendencies and that Anakin broke rules…. If anyone was to blame it was Anakin not Mace Windu…. Mace Windu was wise to be suspicious abt Anakin…. Anakin was dumb for letting himself get married and then believing what Sidious told him….

  • @scifidino5022
    @scifidino5022 Před 3 lety +753

    For some reason I was actually expecting this to be a total meme and making Palpatine very *slowly* cutting through the Jedi Masters XD

  • @MikolajNieswiety
    @MikolajNieswiety Před rokem +311

    No "It's treason, then"? It's treason, then.

    • @jaytee6936
      @jaytee6936 Před 6 měsíci +26

      I was surprised too but the replacement, “you will die then” was insane and brought shivers down my spine lol. If he said THAT in the movie, reactions might have been different.

  • @pietrpiepir6444
    @pietrpiepir6444 Před 2 lety +863

    In the novel, Palps speedblitzed the Masters, but he let Mace live because he wanted Anakin to have to betray someone he had a connection to in order to cement his commitment to the dark side and make the betrayal more powerful. Without realizing it, he allowed Mace to slip into his self-created "Vaapad" fighting style which allowed him to channel Palpatine's own darkness and fight as fast as him, which actually put Palpatine in danger and was not what he planned at all.

    • @larabenther2629
      @larabenther2629 Před 2 lety +105

      He could of killed him. Mace was physically stronger much younger. Palpatine is just a better force user. Maze beat him fair and square. It doesn’t matter if he did because of his technique. He has more stamina than palps. He couldn’t of extended that fight much longer physically. It wasn’t orchestrated. Heck even maul would tear palps apart with sheer physical power and stamina. I would argue that maul could of been the most powerful sith if it wasn’t for obiwans sheer luck.

    • @Lernos1
      @Lernos1 Před 2 lety +45

      What are you talking about, the novel literally says Palps was in power the whole time. Let me quote:
      "You're the chosen one, Anakin," Mace said, his voice going thin with strain. This was beyond Vaapad; he had no strength left to fight against his own blade. "Take him. It's your destiny." Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone. "Anakin, he's too strong for me-"
      It is also utterly ridiculous to assume that vaapad is the ultimate OP trump card against any and all Sith. The ancient Sith emperors and warriors would wipe the floor with Windu, and Palps wasn't far behind them in power.

    • @pietrpiepir6444
      @pietrpiepir6444 Před 2 lety +22

      @@Lernos1 I was just talking about the sword fight, which the text does call an impasse. And when Palpatine had just a moment's distraction when Anakin entered the room, it was all Mace needed to cut his saber handle and disarm him. If he'd had murderous intent at that moment of distraction, he could have killed him instead of disarm. So he was a definite threat.
      From the point where Palpatine unleashed his lightning, yes, Mace was overpowered.

    • @Lernos1
      @Lernos1 Před 2 lety +17

      @@pietrpiepir6444 Palpatine knew Anakin was coming long before he entered the room or even the hallway, since he could feel his fear. Windu could feel the fear too, only he attributed it to Sidious until he realized his mistake - too late, of course. That is also explicitly stated in the text. Palpatine didn't need the saber and could've used the Force to protect himself, and his reflexes and speed were ungodly, on par with Mace's, but his Force would've overpowered Windu anyway. Also, if you look at the fight scene in the film, you can see that Palps actually could've killed Windu long before Mace got his own opportunity, there's a moment when Palpatine rotates his blade and draws it close to Windu's chest, but stops and waits to continue the duel normally. He allowed the fight to happen the way it did. Also, he obviously felt Mace's intent to arrest him, so he knew Windu wouldn't kill him unless he changed his mind later.

    • @pietrpiepir6444
      @pietrpiepir6444 Před 2 lety +25

      @@Lernos1 I think its pretty clear Mace was a threat to Palpatine once the fight got started, which is all I'm saying.

  • @captainkill1993
    @captainkill1993 Před 3 lety +115

    In the novelization of the film they were moving at such speeds there were only glimpses and flashes of red and purple.

    • @electrictroy2010
      @electrictroy2010 Před 2 lety +4

      “The novels are not canon.” - both Lucas and Disney. It doesn’t matter what the novels say. Only what appears in the movies is legitimate
      ,

    • @cantionaleecclesiasticum5378
      @cantionaleecclesiasticum5378 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Who cares about companies?

    • @ranfan1820
      @ranfan1820 Před 2 měsíci +5

      ​​@@electrictroy2010you pulled that quote out your a**. Disney said that. Lucas was involved with the novels. Like how he wrote the prologue to Shatterpoint, a story about Windu.

    • @gdkopinionator4356
      @gdkopinionator4356 Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@electrictroy2010 In order of precedence, canon is the movies, the novels, then the radio dramas. These were all overseen (if not created) by Lucas. This was the way canon was established back in 1977. Star Wars has turned into a religion, with many different sects having a different accepted canon. As the creator, Lucas has more credibility (in terms of original intent) than anyone else. Disney has the intellectual property rights, so in terms of generating revenue, they determine what is "official", though the idea that they can simply discard Lucas' original intent is intellectually bankrupt.
      Even if one looks solely at the movies for canon material, there ends up being great debate. Look at the Luke/Vader confrontation in ROTJ. People assert things about this fight (such as the notion that Vader basically LET Luke win, or that Luke could only win by using the dark side) that Lucas explicitly did not intend. It has become "cafeteria" Star Wars. People pick and choose a little of what they like, and discard what they do not.
      Perhaps this is a sign that this is truly a mythology which has taken root in our culture. These are all signs of it becoming ingrained in our public consciousness. It has been almost 50 years since the first screening. Can you think of ANY story in popular culture of the last 100 years that has had this effect? I consider myself privileged to be among those who can say "I saw that when it first came out, with my buddies at the movies!"

    • @Sandlund93
      @Sandlund93 Před 2 měsíci

      @@gdkopinionator4356 Well, it clearly looks as if Luke tapped into the dark side. But even then, there is no way he would be stronger than Vader. From Vader's perspective the fight was unwinnable. As a Sith, he needed his son to overthrow Sheev. And if he was already turning by the time he lost his footing, he would have had too much love for his son, to be able to destroy him.
      This is an interpretation, sure. But I'd rather have that than Luke somehow rising above all other Jedi and beating one of the most powerful Sith Lords in galactic history, through sheer force. Even with the Force on his side, he had only known about it for 4 years and had barely any training at all. This only works with the OT being a vacuum, the prequels showed a bunch of Jedi who trained daily for decades and still came nowhere near beating an Episode 6 Vader. But if Vader had no motive to fight to the death, it makes sense that an enraged Luke would eventually get the upperhand.
      The fact that people can interpret Star Wars in different ways is a strength, the debate keeps the franchise alive. Despite Disney's incompetence.

  • @btly-wing6531
    @btly-wing6531 Před 7 lety +1207

    Just fast enough to make him seem more powerful, but not so fast that it feels too edited or too difficult to follow.
    My friend sitting next to me also wants me to say that he liked the extra Sith scream added during the fight because it indirectly makes Mace Windu seem stronger because it doesn't work on him the way it did on the other hapless Jedi.

    • @darthkronos4214
      @darthkronos4214  Před 7 lety +114

      You are right. I tried to balance the speed but it isn't easy.
      And yes, that was the purpose of that added Sith scream. I also wanted to show that Windu was really beating Palpatine so he tried to use all his Sith powers because he was in danger.
      Thanks for your comment!

    • @zes3813
      @zes3813 Před 5 lety

      no suc thimg as fast or powerful or not

    • @Micras08
      @Micras08 Před 4 lety +14

      @Dereck Erazohernandez An important point as well, but this was (imho) a much needed fix to the scene. As much as he was plotting and playing the long game, Palpatine actually was in real danger here. One of the few curve balls he was handed while establishing his Empire ^^

    • @deadguy775
      @deadguy775 Před 3 lety +13

      The writers of the Star Wars universe gave a reason for Jackson wanting a unique lightsaber, saying it was the hardest saber to create but he mastered both sides so his being attuned to the dark side allowed him to resist the effects. Also explained how he was not calm and cool like Yoda and the other jedi but made it on the council. He was basically, the Mad Eye Moody of Star Wars.

    • @keptnc
      @keptnc Před 3 lety +6

      @Dereck Erazohernandez no he was in real danger mace literally would have killed him if anakin didnt cut off his hand

  • @revolversarecool3303
    @revolversarecool3303 Před 4 lety +435

    Why did he have to get thrown out the windu

  • @baileybaker7352
    @baileybaker7352 Před 4 lety +161

    Yes yes let the power of good editing flow through you

  • @KillsAll.
    @KillsAll. Před 3 lety +164

    Even this is still not the true speed of this battle, Anakin described it as two lights moving so fast they blended and moved instantly across the room or something like that anyway the speed affected the space time too the novel best describes it. A fascinating combat to be sure.

    • @hobomike6935
      @hobomike6935 Před 3 lety +17

      the master-at-arms of the jedi order vs the supreme dark lord of the sith
      too bad we will never know the extent of how fast this skirmish occurred, if the freaking chosen one who's super attuned to the force described it that way i can't even imagine what it would have looked like to just some ordinary coruscant person that doesn't have force cognition, such as padme or vice admiral thrawn.

    • @SarumanOrthanc
      @SarumanOrthanc Před 2 lety +10

      @@hobomike6935 And imagine how fast Count Dooku could go, considering he was considered the greatest duelist to perhaps ever grace the Jedi Order.

    • @xthax9718
      @xthax9718 Před 2 lety +6

      @@hobomike6935 average coruscant citizen would just see a strobe light

    • @electrictroy2010
      @electrictroy2010 Před 2 lety +2

      “The novels are not canon.” - both Lucas and Disney. It doesn’t matter what the novels say. Only what appears in the movies is legitimate
      ,

    • @KillsAll.
      @KillsAll. Před 2 lety +6

      @@electrictroy2010 eh perhaps the expanded universe novels but the discussion here is the novel based on the screenplay for episode 3 it gives better detail and inner thoughts that the movies fail to get across due to time constraints. So this source is definitely cannon.

  • @anthoneenunez5153
    @anthoneenunez5153 Před 4 lety +72

    That’s what I love about palpatine, his speed is what makes him such a powerful foe in a lightsaber duel

  • @_MaZTeR_
    @_MaZTeR_ Před 2 lety +43

    The Revenge of the Sith novelization told that as Anakin entered Palpatine's quarters, all he could see is just bright flashes of light due to how fast Mace and Sidious were moving.

  • @rsolsjo
    @rsolsjo Před 3 měsíci +10

    "Anakin! The editors are taking over!"

  • @user-C-Zira
    @user-C-Zira Před 7 lety +284

    At 0:38
    That's what I was expecting when I watched to movie.
    Really well done.

  • @fly672
    @fly672 Před 6 lety +227

    So much better, this is propably most clumsy and akward fight in prequels, your edition makes him and Mace Windu look more Powerful and it's good (and acctualy both Mace and Palpatine moved so fast that you could only see a blur and lighsaber clashes)

    • @animecrunchtime
      @animecrunchtime Před 3 lety +9

      Though I feel the windu vs palp part may never be great the part when he just slices down the other 3 was amazing. Fast and to the point like how it should’ve been.

    • @thecaynuck4694
      @thecaynuck4694 Před 2 lety +1

      The Palpatine and Yoda fight is also weird

    • @electrictroy2010
      @electrictroy2010 Před 2 lety +1

      “The novels are not canon.” - both Lucas and Disney. It doesn’t matter what the novels say. Only what appears in the movies is legitimate
      ,

  • @dalekbumps
    @dalekbumps Před 2 lety +24

    It's a shame that Ian McDiarmid absolutely hated filming this scene, but I can understand why. He thought he was too old to film an action sequence, and he didn't really like the fact that Palpatine used a lightsaber at all. In ROTJ Palpatine treats lightsabers like they're totally insignificant Jedi toys, so it doesn't really make sense that he'd have one. In an earlier version of this scene, Palpatine actually uses Anakin's lightsaber instead, in fact you can still see the iconic hilt in some shots.

    • @andyroobrick-a-brack9355
      @andyroobrick-a-brack9355 Před rokem +7

      In fairness, Plapatine is an opportunist whose principles come second. If he has a tool, he will exploit it.

    • @danielhicks4826
      @danielhicks4826 Před rokem +1

      That was always an arguable issue with the Emperor in the series in general I think at least initially, basically going just by the movies we have zero indication Palpatine even ever trained with lightsabers let alone is an all time great talented speed freak with them! and yet he objectively at the end of the day despite his frail appearance is apparently not only good with a lightsaber but one of the best ever with them and capable of fighting with them with blinding speed and power, but this never being apparent or even implied in parts 4-6 way back when and then also showing zero of him with it in the prequels as well just made this sort of a random as heck kinda revelation ya know lol, def coulda been done better and obviously while the actor is beyond legendary as the role and the only man who could ever really play Palpatine, he is or was in real life just an old man likely with zero training and so they had a duel issue the actor himself not fast or particularly agile or likely even familiar with choreography in general,+ the fact leading up to this scene spanning 5.8 movies they never shows hinted at or implied even one single moment Palpatine knew how to use a Lightsaber, so thats the only jarring thing about this ya know, but obviously now and since he did fight here against Mace and the 3 Jedi and Yoda and the way he moved obviously he did in fact master all Lightsaber forms and general combat over the years all his life likely just off screen and in secret or totaly compartmentalized. That all being said and again even though the actors age and physical imitations played a part I still love Palpatine's 2 Lightsaber fight scenes particularly this one against Windu. Oh also there is the added fact that it is sort of ironic that it is also heavily implied that despite training probably all hisd life otr at least dang sure in his younger Sith early days maybe or likely say particularly in his 20s-40s ish I'd assume despite apparently mastering all or most Lightsaber combat forms and being exceptionally good agile powerful ultra fast etc in actual Lightsaber combat, he also hated it with a passion and if it were up to him he'd never fight with a Lightsaber ever if he could help it, which is definitely a strange thing, but not impossible just kinda crazy to think about is all but sortas fits with his personality type, kinda like Kim Jong Un of North Korea lol, il use him as an analogy, despite the appearances of him as a overweight relatively unimpressive man despite being there Leader, apparently he is in reality a crack shot and amazing with a gun lol. But like for real not hyperbole or absurd mythological propaganda this time in North korea's case, anyways random analogy lol.

    • @danielhicks4826
      @danielhicks4826 Před 9 měsíci +3

      @@oldaccount294 I would assume because the very notion he ever fought with 2 was not even decided yet as that was only shown on the show years later ya know, so more like a later stage retcon /addition.

    • @seldings
      @seldings Před 7 měsíci +4

      ⁠@@oldaccount294his other one was hidden in a vase or somewhere in his office he probably thought he’d only need one

    • @Chris_Thorndyke
      @Chris_Thorndyke Před 3 měsíci +3

      Remember Plaguis taught Palpatine everything he knew so of course Palps would be good at lightsaber dueling.

  • @prehistorichero2755
    @prehistorichero2755 Před 2 lety +32

    In my defense, the reason how Palpatine single-handedly defeated the three Jedi counselors is because he was using the Force Scream, which many powerful Sith Lords like him, to stun his enemies before finishing them in a killing blow.

    • @Lyaagato
      @Lyaagato Před 3 měsíci +4

      and he actually super fast, the other two jedi master cant even react to his speed

    • @davepegington9066
      @davepegington9066 Před 2 měsíci

      Source?

    • @daniel-zh9nj6yn6y
      @daniel-zh9nj6yn6y Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@davepegington9066 The movie, you can hear him do it when he jumps towards the 3 masters.

  • @roadhouse6999
    @roadhouse6999 Před 6 lety +19

    Honestly I find it hard to believe that those three would go down so easily

    • @christopherspaulding9283
      @christopherspaulding9283 Před 5 lety +1

      Well Kit Fisto primarily used Form I in lightsaber combat, and that won't last very long against a master of all 7 forms, especially a sith master.

    • @thefaceofpppwhenhisguntabs5292
      @thefaceofpppwhenhisguntabs5292 Před 5 lety +4

      That's because people forget how powerful Lucas said Palpatine was because the video games kept stretching the powers to avoid repetition. Lucas stated that Palpatine was the most powerful sith lord who ever lived. I know that makes TOR fans mad but whatever. Truth is truth.

    • @joseluis5055
      @joseluis5055 Před 5 lety +2

      Sidious was just that fast, the movie didn't really showed that very well

    • @marianoyuba3736
      @marianoyuba3736 Před 5 lety

      Absolutely terrible editing in the movies that makes it look like they were distracted looking at the ceiling as he calmly cut them down. I can SOMEWHAT understand Windu and Palpatine being more conservative with their moves since they're equally matched, but still, it all looks geriatric. Even the Vader vs Obi-Wan from Ep. IV looks more agile and tense. This video is very rough, to be honest...not trying to be mean, just that it's mostly sped up and chopped...but at least it gives an idea of how it SHOULD have looked.

    • @TyphonLeTitan
      @TyphonLeTitan Před 2 lety +1

      @@christopherspaulding9283 Stop it man. This scene is ridiculous. It is a bit better in that version but it stills not right

  • @coffeengames8865
    @coffeengames8865 Před 21 dnem +1

    The instant cut to Palpatine shooting lighting after Mace loses his hand is such a small yet amazing change. Improves the scene so much

  • @DevenTurner-gk6dd
    @DevenTurner-gk6dd Před 2 měsíci +2

    Thank you so much for fixing this. This has been a huge problem. People who don’t know the novelization don’t understand that there was a screw up in the editing process for this scene. They were still working on Anakin vs obi-Wan and unfortunately this slipped past George Lucas. I’m sure that George is so analytical about it that he doesn’t even notice the timing being slower than it was supposed to be. I was just trying to defend Mace Windu on a poll. Sadly due to this production error during the release of Revenge of the Sith, people don’t understand how incredibly fast this was. Palpatine killed 3 Jedi Masters in under 30 seconds. Thank you for editing this to show what actually happened

    • @darthkronos4214
      @darthkronos4214  Před 2 měsíci +1

      No problem! I'm glad you like it and I agree with your comment. That's why I made this 😀

    • @DevenTurner-gk6dd
      @DevenTurner-gk6dd Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@darthkronos4214 this in actually speed really highlights the reality that Mace Windu won the duel. A lot of people have this misconception that Sidious threw the fight to lure Anakin to the dark side. Yet, in all actuality Windu had achieved one of the greatest victories of all time. It’s poetry really. Windu represents the greatest triumph and abrupt demise of the Jedi Order. He was the perfect Jedi and defeated the strongest Sith Lord “it’s difficult to say that Sidious was best with 100% confidence because of Emperor Viciate being in the same category, Darth Bane as well but that’s not cannon” still though. The fate of the Jedi Order really came down to Mace pleading “Don’t listen to him Anakin”. All the evil and suffering that came after was all the result of Anakin’s betrayal. For me, that’s why I love Mace Windu. He single handily destroyed the entire empire before it was even formed and saved the galaxy. Yet, he trusted Anakin for once and that was the moment Skywalker killed him. (Again man, thanks for creating this. I just appreciate seeing it through the lens of how it happened and not the production mistake slow motion version. Disney might end up bring Mace Windu back and it would be awesome because he’s my favorite Jedi. Anakin is also until he turned. Yet, the one thing that would really sadden me is, I attribute the end of the Jedi Order with the death of Windu. He’s the martyr.

  • @gbgdjakoro
    @gbgdjakoro Před 3 lety +15

    the scene basically cements how strong Windu actually was

    • @hobomike6935
      @hobomike6935 Před 3 lety +8

      windu is always contradicting or denying anyone who asks or demands him something, lol
      Episode I:
      qui gon: "he is to be trained then?
      windu: "NO. he will NOT be trained."
      Episode II:
      Dooku: "you're impossibly outnumbered."
      Windu: "Pfft. I don't _Think_ so..."
      Episode III:
      Palpatine: "I AM, the senate!"
      Windu: "NOT.YET."
      He nopes Yoda, Anakin, Obi Wan, and Qui-Gon constantly, and nopes Jango Fett's freaking head off right in front of his son.
      even when palpatine tried to use sith powers to kill him, windu used Vapaad, which is basically the "no u" version of lightsaber combat that redirects dark side energy back on it's inflicter.
      he's basically the uno reverse card of the jedi order haha

    • @FEdelasJONS
      @FEdelasJONS Před rokem +2

      The only reason he did is because Palpatine let him live. He could've killed him at any moment

    • @andyroobrick-a-brack9355
      @andyroobrick-a-brack9355 Před rokem +5

      ​@@FEdelasJONS George Lucas literally confirmed that Windu won. Palpatine is incredibly powerful, but still capable of being beaten.

    • @INTJ10551
      @INTJ10551 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@FEdelasJONSincorrect, Palpatine lost fair and square.

    • @maxxbrick
      @maxxbrick Před 9 měsíci

      this is actually hilarious thank you for posting this comment @@hobomike6935

  • @Brianml77
    @Brianml77 Před 2 lety +9

    Fun fact: Samuel L. Jackson is only four years younger than Ian McDiarmid

  • @Alarcj7
    @Alarcj7 Před 4 lety +7

    Well, the ROTS novel says that he and Windu seemed to be fading in and out of existence, so I can approve it.

  • @h1ob355
    @h1ob355 Před 6 měsíci +4

    "Palpatine's real fight speed"
    Ah, damn, it´s more humorless than I expected from the headline.
    I thought of Palpatine laboriously climbing over that desk with cracking joints.....

  • @antonanderson1965
    @antonanderson1965 Před 3 měsíci +4

    say what you will about the Prequels, you can’t argue that Ian McDiarmid is having a LOT of fun playing Palpatine, especially in this scene

  • @christoferazal
    @christoferazal Před 3 měsíci +3

    If they really fought with this speed I don't think Anakin can arrive in time

  • @ldoc3988
    @ldoc3988 Před 3 lety +6

    part of me wishes we could get a clone wars-style reimaging of this fight. let my boy kit fisto last more than two seconds, and show palpatine just having a laugh being able to let loose and fight the jedi he's been wanting to for ages. but this is still great work!

  • @Ghostface00007
    @Ghostface00007 Před 4 lety +13

    When your character is too OP

  • @GMPranav
    @GMPranav Před 3 lety +5

    The first 10 seconds of the fight looked way more natural here

  • @theopportuneson699
    @theopportuneson699 Před 3 lety +57

    Absolutely terrific video. When I rewatch _Revenge of the Sith,_ *this* is what I will watch for the Sidious vs Jedi Council duel.
    From the perspective of a martial artist, I have always appreciated how Darth Sidious took Jedi Masters Kolar and Tinn with a single blow, and Jedi Master Fisto after 3 or 4.
    I *especially* like that Jedi Master Fisto in this version is taken out with a *single* blow.
    In martial arts, most duels between masters take less than 10 seconds. If it goes over 10 seconds, then they are rivals in skill. Yes, Jedi have precognition that would allow the less skilled combatant an extra parry or two. But most lightsaber duels should be *strike, parry, strike, DONE.*
    When Darth Vader slaughtered Jedi at the Temple, I expect it looked something like his scene on Mustafar with the Separatist Council. I fully expect _Revenge of the Sith_ Darth Vader to one-shot all non-Council Jedi Masters, and half of the members of the Council. Jedi Masters Plo Koon, Kit Fisto, and maybe Ki-Adi Mundi could last a few strikes against Vader, then *slash, DEAD.*
    And if that’s what I expect out of Vader, I expect that doubly from Darth Sidious.

    • @electrictroy2010
      @electrictroy2010 Před 2 lety +1

      Darth Vader was more powerful than any other force user. Including sidious. That was stated in the first movie when they measured his mitochondria & found he was off the scale in force strength
      ,

    • @a.d8509
      @a.d8509 Před rokem +1

      @@electrictroy2010
      Midichlorian count is a measure of potential and connection not power , kinda like how IQ does not necessarily determine how intelligent someone is but how much capabilities they have and talented they are.
      Awaking never reached his full potential otherwise he would've probably become as powerful as the father, son and daughter, due to his injuries on mustafa

  • @Murcielago04
    @Murcielago04 Před 7 lety +44

    Love it! Though for some reason I like "It's treason then" other than that nothing to nitpick. Then again, I suppose that may take away a bit from the bad ass quotient, maybe? But the ending killed me for some reason, though.
    *AAAHH...*

    • @darthkronos4214
      @darthkronos4214  Před 7 lety +6

      I tried to make Palpatine "talk like a Sith", because Windu and the Jedi already discovered that he was a Sith Lord so I wanted to change that line a little bit.
      I'm glad you liked it! And yeah, that ending...😂

  • @zachnewman394
    @zachnewman394 Před 4 lety +16

    This is how the novel describes the fight, the Jedi masters were no match for Sidious and his speed, not to mention the scream threw them off

    • @sirpepeofhousekek6741
      @sirpepeofhousekek6741 Před 3 lety +1

      The scream wasn't in the novel. Sidious moves so fast there's just a flash of red light and suddenly Tiin's head is on the floor and Kolar has a hole through his brain.

  • @Th0ughtf0rce
    @Th0ughtf0rce Před 4 lety +4

    And that, is how good/bad editing can make/break a scene.

  • @crownprincesebastianjohano7069
    @crownprincesebastianjohano7069 Před 2 měsíci +3

    The Sidious/Windu fight wasn't what it could have been because on the day of filming, without telling anyone, Lucas decided he wanted Ian to do many of the scenes instead of a stuntman doing it all. Ian had had no training whatsoever for the scene unlike Sam Jackson who had done a few days of training. So, Nic Gilard and Ian had about three hours while the set up shots to practice. That said, Ian doesn't do too bad of a job.

  • @evrencagin
    @evrencagin Před 21 hodinou

    "It's treason, then" is much more striking

  • @richardren100
    @richardren100 Před 7 lety +15

    Windu's RIP :'-(

  • @hmk5123
    @hmk5123 Před 3 lety +2

    His speed was so fast that on-lookers would have thought his victims were butchered by a phantom.

  • @thedirtbagstash
    @thedirtbagstash Před 2 měsíci

    I like how Anikan slows up a little as he rolls in. Like no biggie, paperplane about to die, just catch your breath, can't let em catch you slipping.

  • @talosbitch8434
    @talosbitch8434 Před rokem +1

    IIRC: the actual fight itself in canon, as in the way it was meant to be interpreted regardless of the films, was a literal blur of red and purple colours bouncing around the room.
    And that was from ANAKIN'S perspective.

  • @moffjendob6796
    @moffjendob6796 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Still have the bit where Anakin comes rushing in... and then slows to a moderate power walk because he ran out of track. XD

  • @lukamijic4335
    @lukamijic4335 Před 7 lety +62

    I thought Kit Fisto put up a small resistance before he died, or my info is wrong??
    Anyway, great video, and pls make some more YTPs!
    DEW IT! :D

    • @darthkronos4214
      @darthkronos4214  Před 7 lety +27

      Yes, he did but I wanted to skip that to give Palpatine a more powerful image.
      Hmm, maybe I will make some YTP. I have some ideas...

    • @lukamijic4335
      @lukamijic4335 Před 7 lety +12

      Well, you definitely gave him *unlimited power* image :D.

    • @darthkronos4214
      @darthkronos4214  Před 7 lety +7

      😂True.

    • @kellenat0r346
      @kellenat0r346 Před 4 lety +2

      @@darthkronos4214 i honestly like this version a lot, but i feel the movies depiction is more accurate. when kit fisto put up his defense as well as he did, he did so due to his force slow time ability which helped out a little bit. i guess i just like the fact that george recognized that he was a little more powerful than the other two that went down.

    • @Micras08
      @Micras08 Před 4 lety +1

      @@kellenat0r346 I personally like this way better, but I get what you mean and don't disagree at all. Kit was definitely not a "red shirt" (I seriously couldn't find a more fitting term, believe me I tried :P), but it's very hard to work multiple levels of skill into a fight on screen, so I prefer it when there's a very clear distinction between the masters and the "others" tbh ^^
      I guess that's one of the faults of a visual medium though, in writing this scene worked a thousand times better :)

  • @BlackWingedSeraphX
    @BlackWingedSeraphX Před 4 lety +3

    You took out "THE JEDI ARE TAKING OVUH!" lmao xD

  • @Spumoon
    @Spumoon Před 3 lety +2

    1:42 Anakin really said "Can't let you do that Star Fox."

  • @MCR123321
    @MCR123321 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Wow this improves the scene considerably.

  • @dovleac
    @dovleac Před 3 měsíci +1

    Very nice! I've been waiting for someone to finally do this! Thank you!

  • @sirpepeofhousekek6741
    @sirpepeofhousekek6741 Před 3 lety +1

    If you read the novelization, he seems to be going so fast it looks like he fades in and out existence.

  • @et9120
    @et9120 Před 3 lety +4

    You removed "Power! Unlimited Power!" This is an important line for understanding who Palpatine is. It draws a stark contrast to his image as the Chancellor and is the first line said by the revealed Sith Lord Darth Sidious.

  • @fly672
    @fly672 Před 6 lety +2

    Good that you skipped all this "please don't, I'm too weak"

  • @samu7015
    @samu7015 Před 2 měsíci

    Considering how cool Yoda vs Palp was, they really dropped the ball with this one

  • @ted458
    @ted458 Před 2 měsíci

    When I saw the title saying that it was "fixed" I expected Master Windom to win!

  • @ryso5082
    @ryso5082 Před 7 lety +7

    cool video, and awesome editing!

  • @moonjae-in12thpresidentofr20
    @moonjae-in12thpresidentofr20 Před 7 měsíci +1

    The novelization says Kit Fisto stays in the fight for like half the battle only losing when getting distracted by Anakins growing presence

  • @gusfring6887
    @gusfring6887 Před rokem +1

    This is much better then the part of the original where he comes to a full stop and does that super slow stab

  • @mbzno
    @mbzno Před 3 lety +2

    Oh yes he got these lines on his face by accident in 1 minute

  • @jamest1242r
    @jamest1242r Před 2 měsíci

    No "Its treason then" was good because it shows how little Sidious took them seriously and also how maniacal Sidious was. He was saying you are going to disobey you're emperor by saying little words like "then its treason then". He also was saying that its all his already.

  • @priestofsyrinx6681
    @priestofsyrinx6681 Před 4 lety +1

    They both were moving so fast that they seemed like blurs.

  • @NoobKid77
    @NoobKid77 Před 3 měsíci

    I like to think his spin and snarl caused the JEDI MASTERS to be dazed

  • @augustjologs1
    @augustjologs1 Před 17 dny

    I love Palpatine's goofy facial expressions! Make me laugh every time!

  • @ar-gn5sd
    @ar-gn5sd Před 3 lety +1

    Windu: You have lost.
    Palpatine: No ❤️

    • @u.v.s.5583
      @u.v.s.5583 Před 11 měsíci

      "You will die," Sheev said calmly.

  • @daneparsons725
    @daneparsons725 Před 3 měsíci

    Palpatine has two sabers, he lost this one, then has another when he fights Yoda

  • @generalbutterscotch4887
    @generalbutterscotch4887 Před 3 měsíci

    I love how even the part where he threw the fight was edited for no reason lmfao

  • @therepublicsfinest7391
    @therepublicsfinest7391 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Your sort of correct, he killed Kolar and Tiin immediately, however Kit Fisto lasted far longer, only dying just before Anakin shows up, mean he lasted far longer than in the rubbish duel that we got

    • @morse2511
      @morse2511 Před 4 měsíci

      We really need a full no cut RoTS, so many amazing moment got cut there

  • @VenomSkywalker.
    @VenomSkywalker. Před 2 lety +1

    So this video is amazingly well done, the reason why the fight scene was slow, cause Ian the guy who played palpatine, was either never on time, and he forgot how to do the fight scene, so when they got it, he was not able ot battle fast, so then they add the scream, and what the scream does is that it puts fear into the jedi's hearts, and minds, so they see their fear, and he was able to kill them easily, but because Windu doesn't have a heart, and apparently has 2 brains one in his head, and one in his chest, he was able to be smart enough, and was able to counter attck that scream

  • @fraizuh
    @fraizuh Před 6 lety +7

    I AM THE SENATE!

  • @Little-She-Devil
    @Little-She-Devil Před 2 lety +3

    I think sidious lost the dual on purpose. He must have sensed Anakin approaching.

    • @zaloon148
      @zaloon148 Před 2 lety +6

      George lucas confirmed that mace windu won fair and square

    • @Little-She-Devil
      @Little-She-Devil Před 2 lety +1

      @@zaloon148 oh okay I didn’t know that.
      Its just that the dual between mace and sidious seemed too much staged.
      But then again mace windu balanced on the edge of the light and the dark side. And (from what I have read) used a lightsaber form wich was effective against the darkside.

  • @DrewBoivie
    @DrewBoivie Před 2 měsíci

    This scene was like one of those games where the designers slow down the animations so you can see how cool they are...
    ...and end up making it actually LESS visually impressive as a result.

  • @steppenwolf.j
    @steppenwolf.j Před 2 lety +1

    I dont mind the original speed because it shows that his skill is what makes him superior

  • @cadrniadrctkers
    @cadrniadrctkers Před 2 měsíci +1

    Perfect. Much better.

  • @pensivecorner
    @pensivecorner Před 3 lety +4

    1:47 still the best part....lol..

    • @u.v.s.5583
      @u.v.s.5583 Před 11 měsíci

      Anakin: I will do whatever you want, my master!
      Sheev: good, good!
      (intimate saxophone music cue)
      ( the end of that 1:47 sequence )
      Anakin: What have I done!!!

  • @solidsnake6206
    @solidsnake6206 Před rokem

    Ok now i can see the 3 respected masters getting caught off guard as fast and long as they did 😂

  • @YellowAMc6
    @YellowAMc6 Před 2 měsíci

    The best theory I could come up with is that Palpatine was actually able to use the Force to slow down time and thus slow the other Jedi’s reactions and reflexes. Again, that doesn’t make this scene less flawed, but to me personally, if you try to think of it that way, it kinda helps to make this scene slide.

  • @MarcoHernandez-nb5dc
    @MarcoHernandez-nb5dc Před 5 dny +1

    No way Mace the Windu could beat Palpie

  • @user-vq7iz5bf5q
    @user-vq7iz5bf5q Před 2 měsíci

    Real fight speed we wouldn't be able to follow.

  • @marcel_lalel
    @marcel_lalel Před rokem +1

    WAY BETTER! They should've done it that way in the movie too!

  • @SITH_CHAMP
    @SITH_CHAMP Před 4 lety +8

    This Is Exactly How It Should Of Went..
    I never get sick of watching
    Master Windu getting electricuted and thrown out the Windu

  • @HatsStayUnited
    @HatsStayUnited Před 3 měsíci

    They were said to be moving so fast that from an outside perspective, they were fading in and out of sight

  • @estebanmartinez1293
    @estebanmartinez1293 Před 2 měsíci

    Originally they were going to use a young actor for the fight, and digitally replace his face, but George Lucas thought it would be fun to have the most powerful Sith in history's movements performed by a 60-year-old man. What a missed opportunity to see a super epic fight!

  • @daniel-zh9nj6yn6y
    @daniel-zh9nj6yn6y Před 2 měsíci

    To make the Force Scream easier to notice, the 3 masters should have been bleeding from their ears.

  • @Sandlund93
    @Sandlund93 Před 2 měsíci

    Imagine how awesome this fight could be with SWTOR animation. Instead, it's almost as underwhelming as Obi-Wan vs. Grievous.

  • @StormyWeatherUK
    @StormyWeatherUK Před 5 lety +5

    1) Find a video of Windu vs Palpatine
    2) Make it run 2x as fast
    3) Record
    4) ????????
    5) 15,000 views
    6) Distort audio so no copyright
    7) PROFIT!!!

    • @darthkronos4214
      @darthkronos4214  Před 5 lety +4

      That ain't it chief. This was edited, not just 2x speed.

    • @StormyWeatherUK
      @StormyWeatherUK Před 5 lety

      @@darthkronos4214 How was it edited XD, it looks like 2x to me? I know that you cut some of the scenes and replaced them, but to the speed it just looks like 2x

    • @darthkronos4214
      @darthkronos4214  Před 5 lety +4

      @@StormyWeatherUK Yes the speed has been increased since that's the point of this edit, but there are also some minor changes like Palpatine's new quote, his added Sith scream, etc.

    • @StormyWeatherUK
      @StormyWeatherUK Před 5 lety

      @@darthkronos4214 Hmmm, I must have missed them oof

    • @darthkronos4214
      @darthkronos4214  Před 5 lety +1

      @@StormyWeatherUK Yeah don't worry about that, they are minor changes. I have other videos with more edition.

  • @HATER506
    @HATER506 Před 6 lety +8

    Always thought the movie should have been longer. Many scenes including this one should have been longer. Jedi Masters should have put up more of a fight IMO.

    • @xstevenxcorex6
      @xstevenxcorex6 Před 4 lety

      The movies don't depict how truly powerful and fast Jedi and Sith were. Only in the books you have to read to get the idea.

  • @Georged1y
    @Georged1y Před 5 měsíci

    Palpatine’s actual speed is terrifying

  • @reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134

    Well Anakin did say in the revenge of the novelisation that Palpatine & Windu fighting was like a blur so yeah 🤣🔥

  • @GalakStari
    @GalakStari Před 4 lety +1

    Good job! The only thing I would have changed is that we don’t see Palpatine’s face become all deformed.

  • @CE77777
    @CE77777 Před 4 lety +1

    I never even seeped it was a force scream damn nice

  • @mrcrackdonald_1
    @mrcrackdonald_1 Před 4 lety +1

    Well the problem with the original is that Ian Mcdiarmid had never touched a sword in his life and this fight scene was the first fight scene he ever had

    • @Eiad.Alhamed
      @Eiad.Alhamed Před 4 lety +1

      Was the concept of stunt double foreign in Hollywood in 2003? Strange decisions Locus had made

  • @shervalxd9122
    @shervalxd9122 Před 4 lety

    Just imagine this in the movie, but without the cuts (except the first one, it was necessary lol) and with a longer fight (like 4 mins)... Perfection.

  • @starkiller1440
    @starkiller1440 Před 3 měsíci

    The duel ended at 0:53. Palpatine just let Mace live for now and wait for Anakin’s arrival and play weak.

  • @Alucard12456
    @Alucard12456 Před 3 měsíci +1

    This fight is so ridiculous…

  • @Riveraeon
    @Riveraeon Před 2 měsíci

    Real good thing that lightsabers turn off once dropped

  • @raymundlopez3726
    @raymundlopez3726 Před 3 měsíci

    Oh shet damn now this is how palpatine should be fast

  • @deleteduser121
    @deleteduser121 Před 3 lety +1

    Honestly that looks pretty awesome.

  • @BloodyFlowerFilms
    @BloodyFlowerFilms Před 4 lety +1

    Honestly had we watched THIS edit in the original film, kids and adults would have literally SHIT themselves when Palps took down 3 Master Jedi that quickly.

  • @kidkarlomagno9801
    @kidkarlomagno9801 Před 15 dny

    Very needed!

  • @sadeaton
    @sadeaton Před 2 lety

    It's surprising Disney didn't give the four Jedi Masters rainbow colored lightsabers yet.

  • @dar-nakkallig
    @dar-nakkallig Před 5 lety +2

    Um.. where is the “if you only knew... how long I have waited for this” moment after Sidious stabbed his desk

    • @thefaceofpppwhenhisguntabs5292
      @thefaceofpppwhenhisguntabs5292 Před 5 lety +1

      The book did such a better job with this scene in particular... but also the Yoda scene. The fact that people are making Palpatine out to be some weakling is how I know Star Wars is dead. Many still think Yoda would have won if he stayed...

  • @logictotalwar1201
    @logictotalwar1201 Před 2 měsíci +1

    This Looks Fuck8ng Amazing 👏

  • @PhoenixTheEditor36
    @PhoenixTheEditor36 Před 6 měsíci

    Watch in 2x speed for it to be even more correct

  • @daviddavis8965
    @daviddavis8965 Před 3 lety +1

    Overall a light saber duel ending in one or two moves is way more plausible than a drawn one. Even historically with swords one on one duels would only last 4 or 5 moves or clashes before a lethal or incapacitating blow was dealt. This would be compounded with a light saber which requires no edge alignment and can cut with ridiculous ease.