The Bill Belichick Coaching Tree is Dead

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  • @FivePointsVids
    @FivePointsVids  Před 6 měsíci +1

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  • @MrRyan-wu4jx
    @MrRyan-wu4jx Před 6 měsíci +486

    I think it’s possible to applaud the brilliant tree of Andy Reid and his ability to pass on knowledge and also praise Belichek for getting the most out of some real morons.

    • @pauljimerson8218
      @pauljimerson8218 Před 6 měsíci +22

      That's a fair way to look at it

    • @shanereitz7600
      @shanereitz7600 Před 6 měsíci +34

      If Belichek is going to get the credit for being a genius, he should get the blame for continuing to hire morons.

    • @DarkHound5
      @DarkHound5 Před 6 měsíci +13

      The pedigree from Walsh to Holmgrem to Reid is kind of insane.
      Like anyone in Reid’s tree has an insane lineage to pull from

    • @leoblazer74
      @leoblazer74 Před 6 měsíci +3

      A coaching tree built on one genius quarterback😂

    • @davidaustad7798
      @davidaustad7798 Před 6 měsíci

      isn’t crazy though that nobody on coaching except has had success as a head coach i don’t ever happened other then with bill. i wonder if it’s a control thing.

  • @ilznidiotic
    @ilznidiotic Před 6 měsíci +536

    My happiest day as a football fan was when DeMeco Ryans was hired as Texans' coach, signalling the end of the McNairs' obsession with turning the Texans into Patriots South.
    Becoming 49ers South is going to be a huge improvement.

    • @maskedman5657
      @maskedman5657 Před 6 měsíci +11

      Hardly see y'all becoming the Niners South. That's just ridiculous

    • @andrewvaldez8689
      @andrewvaldez8689 Před 6 měsíci +9

      Plus he's a former Texan

    • @PapaSwisha
      @PapaSwisha Před 6 měsíci +25

      The niners are Texans west considering Shanahan Lafleur McDaniels them all came from Gary Kubiak

    • @ForelliBoy
      @ForelliBoy Před 6 měsíci +8

      Becoming playoff chokers would be an improvement from not making the playoffs at all

    • @BlacknWhiteBadger88
      @BlacknWhiteBadger88 Před 6 měsíci +2

      “Niners South” was just the Texans going back to the well that made them good in the first place…(Kubiak brought the Texans their best success).

  • @christophermillsap5064
    @christophermillsap5064 Před 6 měsíci +200

    Matt Patricia. The guy who stubbornly stood by his decision to have his practices outside in the snow… and the Lions play in a DOME.

  • @vicepresidentmikepence889
    @vicepresidentmikepence889 Před 6 měsíci +951

    Bill Belichick's career coaching record was 41-57 the day Tom Brady took over as starting quarterback in September of 2001

    • @ConnorO74
      @ConnorO74 Před 6 měsíci +131

      Also partly due to the fact he coached the browns

    • @the-angel-of-light-gardevoir8
      @the-angel-of-light-gardevoir8 Před 6 měsíci +196

      @@ConnorO74not a usable excuse… the browns were actually good… infact a few years after they moved to Baltimore they won a super bowl

    • @vicepresidentmikepence889
      @vicepresidentmikepence889 Před 6 měsíci +126

      @ConnorO74 You do realize, the browns were in the afc championship in 1986, 1987, and 1989, and Bill Belichick became browns coach in 1991, don't you???? Also, even if the browns were such a bad franchise, which they clearly weren't, don't you think St. Belichick would've turned the team around???

    • @jennyanydots2389
      @jennyanydots2389 Před 6 měsíci +11

      He brought Thom in from the local Kroger where he was stockin' shelves full of boxed mashed potatoes and boxed dry spaghetti. Thom would be, right now son, dead or tied up for gRape in some dude's basement if not for Bill Buildachuck. So show a little respect boy. Talk right about the man yo.

    • @TheCaptainjuicy
      @TheCaptainjuicy Před 6 měsíci +37

      @@ConnorO74The iteration of the browns that belichick ran became the ravens, the modern day browns are something different entirely and poorly ran. Belichick at the very least had a decent infrastructure with the browns at the time.

  • @TippiGordon
    @TippiGordon Před 6 měsíci +113

    There's a lot of well-deserved schadenfreude on this list, but let's take a moment to give some love to Romeo Crennel. The guy saw one of his best players take his own life after murdering his girlfriend, and led his team through that with as much grace and humanity as possible, win-loss record be damned. If there's a more traumatic event that a coach had to go through, I don't even want to know about it.

    • @nicholasleach2019
      @nicholasleach2019 Před 6 měsíci +1

      You're right

    • @morsumbra9692
      @morsumbra9692 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Rae Caruth... ordered a hit on his pregnant girlfriend.

    • @UserName-ts3sp
      @UserName-ts3sp Před 6 měsíci +5

      @@morsumbra9692i think jovan belcher was more tragic than rae though both are fucked up. at least rae’s kid survived

    • @ck-1649
      @ck-1649 Před 6 měsíci

      And he did lead the Browns to a 10-6 record

  • @lawv804
    @lawv804 Před 6 měsíci +107

    Someone forgot that Nick Saban is from Belichick's coaching tree. Saban was the first assistant Belichick ever hired as a head coach.

    • @DNSKansas
      @DNSKansas Před 6 měsíci +6

      Belichick was in Toledo immediately after his first Browns press conference, begging Saban to come east on the Ohio Turnpike.

    • @KanyeTheGayFish69
      @KanyeTheGayFish69 Před 6 měsíci

      No nick Saban doesn’t really count. He wasn’t successful in the nfl.

    • @memyself898
      @memyself898 Před 6 měsíci

      @@KanyeTheGayFish69 no he most certainly was not. Prick.....

    • @clarkkent1521
      @clarkkent1521 Před 6 měsíci +16

      Saban is 15-17 as an NFL head coach.

    • @natturnertv
      @natturnertv Před 6 měsíci +13

      @@clarkkent1521 but he's still one of the greatest coaches because of what he does on the college level. You can't take that away from him. Bill Walsh great NFL coach ok college coach 34-24-1.

  • @SiegfriedDerDrachentoter
    @SiegfriedDerDrachentoter Před 6 měsíci +200

    even belichick is burning on his own tree without Brady

    • @jennyanydots2389
      @jennyanydots2389 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Thom Brady ain't nuthing without Bill Buildachuck personally scouting him out off the streets. If Billy Big Boi didn't find a pathetic Thommy B Bro chuggin' dee for change to support his canned air addicktion little Thom would be dead in the gutter or kidnapped tied up for daily gRape sesh's in some dude's basement.

    • @RosaHernandez-vy4dm
      @RosaHernandez-vy4dm Před 6 měsíci +9

      🎯

    • @teamsteed1
      @teamsteed1 Před 6 měsíci +3

      Yep.

    • @justanotheryoutuber1997
      @justanotheryoutuber1997 Před 6 měsíci +6

      Just like Tom was before he retired. You Brady d riders are insane lmaoo

    • @jennyanydots2389
      @jennyanydots2389 Před 6 měsíci +5

      @@justanotheryoutuber1997 However... Thom's got more Legit rings than Billy Big Boi does. Billy Big Boi was sign steelin', bribin refs and poisoning gatorades for the away teams. Thommy Touchdowns was out there layin' strong beef throwin' balls to trash players like DUI Donte StalledWorth, Wigglin' Wes Wilker and Lean Deon Branch... all piss wet trash in the dumpster-styled reclamation projects. Randall Moss could barely walk when he came to New Englands on top of being C-Rocked out of his mind 24/7 son and ole' Bobby Gronx was too busy doin' blow and felching sea man out the athletic trainer's bee whole to be reliable more 2 or 3 matches in a season.

  • @MrBerdman77
    @MrBerdman77 Před 6 měsíci +80

    Charlie Weis is also a part of BB’s rotten tree, Norte Dame fell apart and Kansas was awful during his tenures despite being the OC during the Pats first dynasty

    • @zlinedavid
      @zlinedavid Před 6 měsíci +4

      And scarily enough, Big Chuckie was probably the 2nd best of the bunch behind O’Brian. His first two years at ND weren’t bad, BCS bowl berths in both. After that he was mediocre at best, and he was putrid at Kansas.

    • @IamUroboros
      @IamUroboros Před 6 měsíci +3

      Weis came up with belichick under Bill Parcels actually.

    • @TheTitofan1
      @TheTitofan1 Před 6 měsíci

      At least Weiss had winning seasons as a coach lol

    • @kriosuranous3440
      @kriosuranous3440 Před 4 měsíci

      @@zlinedavidif we’re counting college then the best of Belichik’s coaching tree is easily Nick Saban, not O’Brien

  • @skakirask
    @skakirask Před 6 měsíci +43

    Hiring Judge was a panic move by the Giants. They wanted Matt Rhule but Carolina jumped the line and offered way more money. The team would’ve been screwed either way lmao

    • @youtubeistryingtocensorme
      @youtubeistryingtocensorme Před 4 měsíci

      Daboll actually is all that bad. Its just his Quarterback sucks and he doesn’t have much of an offensive line

  • @InterloperBob
    @InterloperBob Před 6 měsíci +21

    The reason BBs text was important, and not just funny, was because BB was told Daboll got the job before Flores interviewed, which proves that Flores interview was a sham.

  • @nathaniellevesque2782
    @nathaniellevesque2782 Před 6 měsíci +97

    You should do a video on the coaches with the best coaching trees.

    • @TecMatt
      @TecMatt Před 6 měsíci +12

      Andy Reid is up there for sure

    • @jennyanydots2389
      @jennyanydots2389 Před 6 měsíci +8

      @@TecMatt Too bad The Woodchuck is on a sex offender list. That's why they have extra police around him on the sidelines every game. He don't just look the part... he's done the work son.

    • @nunyabusiness5075
      @nunyabusiness5075 Před 6 měsíci +2

      @@TecMatt Funny thing about Andy Reid, he got fired from Philly for never winning a Superbowl and going 4-12 in 2012. AFTER winning two rings with (and with Mahomes) the Chiefs now everyone loves him and thinks he's great.

    • @carnacthemagnificent2498
      @carnacthemagnificent2498 Před 6 měsíci +6

      @@nunyabusiness5075 I think it was time for Reid to go in Philly. he was mailing it in, probably because he was dealing with real family issues with his sons getting into bad stuff. I just think he needed a change of scene for his family. I believe he and the Eagles agreed to this together because the owner and GM are still close to Reid even after 'firing' him.

  • @yoshieggx64
    @yoshieggx64 Před 6 měsíci +136

    Does Mike Vrabel also count, considering he was on O'Brien's staff and played a big part in the Pats' early dynasty?

    • @jennyanydots2389
      @jennyanydots2389 Před 6 měsíci +5

      Mick Vrabel's a real Bunt Citch if ya ask me boy!!! Keep his name outta yo mouf son!!

    • @woodside4life
      @woodside4life Před 6 měsíci +22

      I don’t think so since he never directly coached under Belichick

    • @jennyanydots2389
      @jennyanydots2389 Před 6 měsíci +5

      @@woodside4life He might have Power Bottomed under Bill but you're right he never coached under Billy Big Boi... just played his races heart out for the man Billy Big Boi.

    • @maxmuetzel5364
      @maxmuetzel5364 Před 6 měsíci +28

      ​@@woodside4lifehe never coached under Bill, but hes a former player turned coach that does use Bills methods. Vrabels a Belicheck Alumni through and through.

    • @MrRyan-wu4jx
      @MrRyan-wu4jx Před 6 měsíci +4

      Most articles I’ve read on this topic either count him or at least bring him up. He was picking Bill’s brain for defense for the better part of a decade however you look at it.

  • @Mullerology
    @Mullerology Před 6 měsíci +46

    Joe Judge is an enigma shrouded in mystery. He must be really good at interviews and that's it. He had a career day when Colt McCoy beat the Seahawks away in an empty stadium. He made it quite clear very early on that he was always destined to fail in New York though.

    • @dhkim3986
      @dhkim3986 Před 6 měsíci

      I'm sure most douches do well in interviews. 😁

    • @williamli6200
      @williamli6200 Před 6 měsíci +1

      He was highly recommended by Belichick.

    • @andrewr7395
      @andrewr7395 Před 6 měsíci +2

      Joe Judge talked to great game. All you have to do is watch his introductory press conference. He said all the right things. Combine Belichick’s recommendation, with a Giants front office that wanted to make a familiar higher, and that was all she wrote.

  • @Hemmerschmidt
    @Hemmerschmidt Před 6 měsíci +37

    As someone who was a former assistant to a coach who was REALLY stubborn in his ways (without the hardware to show it worked btw) and seeing those ways clearly bear no fruit whatsoever, I can understand how annoying it must've been to deal with coaches like McDaniels, and the sweet release they must've felt when that time finally came to an end.

  • @johnbradbury8610
    @johnbradbury8610 Před 6 měsíci +50

    Bill Walsh had the best coaching tree. Holmgren, ray Rhodes, mike shanahan, George Seifert, even sam wyche took Cincy to the Superbowl

    • @zlinedavid
      @zlinedavid Před 6 měsíci +7

      Denny Green is directly under Walsh as well. Never made a Super Bowl but was a solid head coach.
      The 2nd level Walsh tree is just as incredible: Andy Reid, Tony Dungy, Brian Billick, Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy, John Harbaugh, Jon Gruden, Gary Kubiak, Doug Peterson, Sean McVey.
      In total, Walch’s coaching tree has a total of 15 Super Bowl wins. Throw in Walch’s 4 and and 1/3 of of all Super Bowls were won by Walsh or someone in his tree.

    • @farhanatashiga3721
      @farhanatashiga3721 Před 6 měsíci

      Idk about Seifert he was handed one of the best squads in the history of team sports, and when he goes to Carolina with a lesser squad he just shriveled up and die there.

    • @zlinedavid
      @zlinedavid Před 6 měsíci

      @@farhanatashiga3721 Doesn’t matter whose players they were, the coach still has to coach them.

    • @KevinT7274
      @KevinT7274 Před 6 měsíci +4

      ​@farhanatashiga3721 Seifert was handed the Ferrari in SF and to his credit he didn't wreck it. Carolina showed he wasn't good enough to make a Ferrari.

    • @NxFxKW
      @NxFxKW Před 6 měsíci

      Plus his tree is very much alive today.

  • @user-xc2vk7uk5e
    @user-xc2vk7uk5e Před 6 měsíci +46

    Is Daboll really BB's coaching tree? I feel he's more McDermott's since he really rose to prominence after being the OC for the Bills during Josh Allen's rise from project QB to MVP candidate

    • @skakirask
      @skakirask Před 6 měsíci +9

      Wondering the same. His Pats connection doesn’t appear to be as deep as the others on here

    • @morganyu812
      @morganyu812 Před 6 měsíci +8

      You said it yourself. He rose to Prominence. Meaning he got more fame from turning around Allen's career. He still coached under BB.

    • @nunyabusiness5075
      @nunyabusiness5075 Před 6 měsíci +5

      Doesn't matter, if he sucks now and they can tie it to Belichick, however tenuously, it's fair game. Of course when Daboll was winning, oh no no no, that doesn't count. Remember fan is just a shortened version of fanatic, and fanatics aren't known for their reasoned arguments and logical consistency.

    • @howdareyouexist
      @howdareyouexist Před 6 měsíci +3

      he got his nfl start under belichick and spent more time under him than any other coach at 9-10 years so yes.

    • @nunyabusiness5075
      @nunyabusiness5075 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@howdareyouexist True, but Daboll also spent time with the Jets, Browns, Dolphins, Chiefs and spent 4 years as Offensive Coordinator with the Bills right before becoming the head coach of the Giants in 2022. He was an offensive coordinator for 1/4 of the AFC (Browns, Dolphins, Chiefs, Bills) (but never was an OC for the Patriots) before becoming a head coach in the NFC.

  • @dabois8280
    @dabois8280 Před 6 měsíci +8

    The shanahan tree is growing into a forest at this point

  • @eastsidereviews727
    @eastsidereviews727 Před 6 měsíci +13

    Problem is that most of these dudes think they can act like and are Bill Belichick but they aren't. You can move like Bill when you have his record and success, but when you have neither you gotta move different.
    Hope to God we done with Josh McDaniels as a coaching candidate, he needs to be finished in all these towns.

    • @kenosabi
      @kenosabi Před 6 měsíci +1

      Fr. You'd think they would look at his very public record and think "this dude is hot garbage" and quit employing his ass.

    • @williamli6200
      @williamli6200 Před 6 měsíci

      Had you put Belichick in Raiders two years ago, you would get the same results out of Raiders.

    • @nunyabusiness5075
      @nunyabusiness5075 Před 6 měsíci

      After the deflategate SCAM the Colts tried to pull, I would wish McDaniels on them.

    • @youtubeistryingtocensorme
      @youtubeistryingtocensorme Před 4 měsíci

      Bill O Brian should never be allowed to coach again. And Ohio State just hired him as an offensive coordinator. What is Ohio State thinking?

  • @hommie789
    @hommie789 Před 6 měsíci +36

    Lets be fair though, Romeo Crennel and Brian Flores are both able coaches and given a team with talent they could easily dominate in the league. Their records and past were not really their faults nor show their actual ability, unlike McDaniel's who has a record 30% better than it should be and he should never be part or an NFL team again, pretty much the same as Bill O'Brian

    • @baxatakbaxatak2014
      @baxatakbaxatak2014 Před 6 měsíci +8

      Flores almost ruined Tua.

    • @woodside4life
      @woodside4life Před 6 měsíci +5

      Their records are literal measuring sticks of their abilities. Famous coach once said “You are what your record says you are.”

    • @hommie789
      @hommie789 Před 6 měsíci +7

      @@woodside4life their records are one part of who they are. When management gives you, well The Browns as a team to field, then you have no chance of any kind of winning record.

    • @KameSennin4209
      @KameSennin4209 Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@baxatakbaxatak2014this.

    • @simoncohen9323
      @simoncohen9323 Před 6 měsíci +6

      ​@@hommie789Brian Flores can't get a offense to save his life and almost wasted a top draft pick because he can't manage shit when he was a coach his offenses suck he isn't good he is a great defensive coordinator that it

  • @TheQuadLaunchers
    @TheQuadLaunchers Před 6 měsíci +7

    I feel like the jury is still out on Daboll. His personel SUCKS this year. He managed to get the team to the playoffs last year on what was essentially a rebuild. I think he needs another few years.

  • @airacks5258
    @airacks5258 Před 6 měsíci +12

    It's interesting that the players he coached are doing better than his disciples.

    • @jennyanydots2389
      @jennyanydots2389 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Brugh thats races. Are u sayin' that cuz Billy Big Boi's just a white boi he can't have no Blacks Power Bottoming fer him from his coach Tree? Brugh that might be races, Brugh, I don't know son. Better be careful boy... try that in a small town son

    • @airacks5258
      @airacks5258 Před 6 měsíci

      @@jennyanydots2389 what? Lls

    • @basteala525
      @basteala525 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@jennyanydots2389 You realize you sound the complete opposite of intimidating when your spelling and reasoning skills are notably...*less* than the "boy" you're calling him out as, right?

    • @jennyanydots2389
      @jennyanydots2389 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@basteala525 I realize this. Why? We gotta problem here son? You tryin' to stan on my freedoms boiii?!?! Try that inside of a small town, boy

    • @kenosabi
      @kenosabi Před 6 měsíci

      Cringe asf.

  • @mrterp04
    @mrterp04 Před 6 měsíci +5

    Now we know why McDaniels left the Colts at the alter:
    Because Jim Irsay is a white billionaire.

  • @12thMandalorian
    @12thMandalorian Před 6 měsíci +62

    Bill is one of the best coaches we've ever seen at coaching defenses so the DC cannot be gauged objectively and Brady similarly cloaked offensive ineptitude for years.
    Not all that surprising that an organization that was effectively a two person brain trust has failed to bear successful fruit.

    • @basteala525
      @basteala525 Před 6 měsíci +13

      I think a lot of the problem boils down to a lot of the BB Tree trying to run their team like BB would. Really hard nosed, borderline anti-player mentality. The thing is that as time passes, it's clear the Patriots Dynasty succeeded in spite of BB's culture, not because of it.

    • @morganyu812
      @morganyu812 Před 6 měsíci +9

      I think more of the problem lies with BB as a GM. Hes not great at drafting players.

    • @williamli6200
      @williamli6200 Před 6 měsíci

      That is where fans got wrong : he is great at keeping games close, but he needs tons of resources to build such defense.
      If you expect his defense to make plays at critical, you will be disappointed most of the times.

    • @nunyabusiness5075
      @nunyabusiness5075 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@morganyu812 Which is kind of odd because he's really good at collecting picks and making trades. The reason the Ravens were able to draft Ray Lewis in addition to Jonathan Ogden in the first round was trades made by Belichick. I would say he's a good GM who doesn't draft well, but few teams have as much talent on the bottom of the roster. It doesn't show up on the coaching tree, but Ozzie Newsome learned from Belichick, and went on to become a great GM for the Ravens.

    • @williamli6200
      @williamli6200 Před 6 měsíci +3

      @@nunyabusiness5075 "but Ozzie Newsome learned from Belichick, and went on to become a great GM for the Ravens."
      Ya, Belichick taught him, but he couldn't do it himself. Do you really believe the dogsh!t?

  • @demdaddy
    @demdaddy Před 4 měsíci +2

    jim schwartz was part of belichicks coaching tree and he turned the browns d from worst last season to first this season.

  • @kevinbrianfahy
    @kevinbrianfahy Před 6 měsíci +2

    That conclusion at the end though!!! “None of them had Tom Brady” Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmn

  • @mudman619
    @mudman619 Před 6 měsíci +6

    It's pretty obvious that the Belichick coaching system only works with a franchise QB like Brady running the offense. Giants were fluky last year - an exception rather than the rule. The one year the Patsies missed the playoffs, Brady missed almost the whole season. The more time passes, the more I come to believe it was Brady more than Belichick was the reason for their success.

    • @youtubeistryingtocensorme
      @youtubeistryingtocensorme Před 4 měsíci

      I actually think Daboll is a good coach with a mediocre quarterback and a terrible offensive line

  • @dominicvandermyde3773
    @dominicvandermyde3773 Před 6 měsíci +17

    Brian Flores is the only life that's actually left from that tree... Flores has a Top 5 defense in all major categories currently 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @dominicvandermyde3773
      @dominicvandermyde3773 Před 6 měsíci +1

      He actually has more of a chance to become a head coach again, Than Belichick has of retaining, or getting a HC job again

    • @arachnofiend2859
      @arachnofiend2859 Před 6 měsíci +7

      I think most people agree that Flores was ousted from the Dolphins for reasons other than the quality of his coaching... He'll be good somewhere, I think.

    • @simoncohen9323
      @simoncohen9323 Před 6 měsíci +1

      ​@@dominicvandermyde3773that false

    • @simoncohen9323
      @simoncohen9323 Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@arachnofiend2859he was ousted because his offense was trash and tried getting rid of tua and almost ruined his career

    • @dominicvandermyde3773
      @dominicvandermyde3773 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@simoncohen9323 You don't know anything about football, Brian Flores is a DEFENSIVE coach, He saw Tua before Tua became Tua, So don't come on my thread acting like you know anything, They wanted this man to tank, and He wasn't willing to ruin his Head Coaching future because of it (They hired him because he was black so they could get him up out of the league, At least as a HC) it's cool tho, Keep reading articles that contain ZERO facts

  • @l.rongardner2150
    @l.rongardner2150 Před 5 měsíci +1

    "Know them by their fruit." 😂

  • @kennycai8695
    @kennycai8695 Před 6 měsíci +7

    These days, I kind of feel coaching trees are overrated. Just because you worked with a legendary coach does not necessarily mean you will be successful once you strike out on your own. Even the once-respected Andy Reid coaching tree seems to have withered, and the best disciples on the downturn. The reasons for these are varied, but the biggest ones are power struggles within an organization, and the head coach being unable to adapt to a rapidly changing game. At least for power struggles, the HC can be scapegoated, but when the HC fails to adjust, there is no one to blame. Just because you worked with a legendary coach does not necessarily mean you will be successful once you strike out on your own, as shown with the failures of the Belichick disciples.

  • @clarkkent1521
    @clarkkent1521 Před 6 měsíci +2

    The equation is simple. If you're a coach and you have Tom Brady, you look good. If you leave and no longer have Tom Brady, you'll be exposed for how bad you really are.

  • @IamUroboros
    @IamUroboros Před 6 měsíci +2

    Romeo Crennel is not apart of Belichicks coaching tree. Crennel came up WITH Belichick under Bill Parcells. Same for Charlie Weis.

  • @thenumberquelve158
    @thenumberquelve158 Před 6 měsíci +7

    I'm still kinda rooting for Brian Flores to succeed in the NFL to be the one iconoclast from this coaching tree to actually shine without the aid of Touchdown Tom. He's shown lots of potential.
    I just *really* hope my Raiders keep our interim coach *THIS TIME* if he keeps doing a good job... I was hoping we'd keep Bisaccia all along, but I was willing to give McDaniels a chance. Boy oh boy did he blow that up.

  • @ryanjacobs836
    @ryanjacobs836 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Only successful remaining assistant inter BB is Kirk Ferentz who’s still chugging along at Iowa getting 8-9 wins a season

  • @ahhculdee
    @ahhculdee Před 6 měsíci +7

    I feel bad for Romeo Crennel.

  • @chesscomsupport8689
    @chesscomsupport8689 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Belichick's disciples have all had the terrible misfortune of not having a Tom Brady on their teams.

  • @brutusvonmanhammer
    @brutusvonmanhammer Před 6 měsíci

    Ayyyyyyy! 5 Points upload! What a way to cap off a crazy Saturday of college football!

  • @chriswahl4139
    @chriswahl4139 Před 6 měsíci +5

    Joe Gibbs had a pretty lousy coching tree Joe Bugel, Richie Pettibon, Dan Henning. Jimmy Johnson also wasn't much to write home about Dave Wandtstedt, Norv Turner, Dave Shula, Dave Campo, Butch Davis

  • @konnorrockkonnoisseur4970
    @konnorrockkonnoisseur4970 Před 6 měsíci +1

    3:08 never forget how much Brandon Perna loved this clip 😂😂

  • @conworldus8310
    @conworldus8310 Před 6 měsíci +3

    It does make me wonder what would have happened if Tom Brady played for another coach all these years. I feel that if not for the Gisele drama, he could have won another SB in Tampa.

  • @Cha-y412
    @Cha-y412 Před 4 měsíci +2

    The Belicheck coaching tree has a lot of termites! Joe Judge, Matt Patrica, and McDaniels are 3 of the biggest.

  • @bosslax3162
    @bosslax3162 Před 6 měsíci +3

    I mean Vrabel is from the Patriots, and the Patriots currently have good assistants like Steve Belichick and Jerod Mayo. Flores also likely has a good chance of being a good head coach one day.
    Edit: as for GM's, there's still Ossenfort(Cardinals), Caserio(Texans), Licht(Buccaneers), and there was Ziegler(just fired by Raiders but still could be a good executive down the line)

  • @unclecreepy4185
    @unclecreepy4185 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Bill Belichick with Tom Brady as QB:
    Number of seasons as HC: 18
    Record: 219-64
    Winning Seasons: 18
    Division Winner: 17
    Playoff Made: 17
    Playoff Record: 30-11
    Super Bowls: 6
    Bill Belichick without Tom Brady as QB:
    Number of seasons as HC: 11
    Current Record: 81-97
    Winning Seasons: 3
    Division Winner: 0
    Playoffs Made: 2
    Playoff Record: 1-2
    Super Bowls: 0
    Tom Brady without Bill Belichick as HC:
    Number of seasons as QB: 3
    Record: 32-18
    Winning Seasons: 2
    Division Winner: 2
    Playoffs Made: 3
    Playoff Record: 5-2
    Super Bowls: 1

  • @TippiGordon
    @TippiGordon Před 6 měsíci +2

    You should do a video on the most flourishing coaching tree. Gotta be the Andy Reid - Mike Holmgren - Bill Walsh - Paul Brown (and all its many branches) tree, right?

  • @troxbeats
    @troxbeats Před 6 měsíci +4

    Dang, no mention of Charlie Weis, the OG disciple of Belichick?

    • @Xhoven
      @Xhoven Před 6 měsíci

      I'm guessing he's only considering disciples that went on to be NFL head coaches, since coaching in college is just a completely different world.

  • @adameanglin
    @adameanglin Před 6 měsíci +1

    @ 5:00, using the Coors..."Coach, coach, coach!" commercials...the funniest commercials ever!

  • @zacharyhadaway318
    @zacharyhadaway318 Před 6 měsíci +2

    I'll admit it: I was brainwashed by Quinn and Patricia thinking they'd turn around the Lions. Boy was I wrong. They traded away Diggs and Slay, and I'll never forgive them for that. So glad the Lions hired Holmes and Campbell!

  • @detroittigers1282
    @detroittigers1282 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Not going lie, I wanted Josh McDaniels in 2009 for my Lions, we got Matt Patricia in 2018 who I was excited about and was clearly a disaster. Bill O’Brien was clearly the most competent one, then ego, personal power did him in along with having a weirdo as franchise quarterback. Also seems like most of Belichick hires either had personal control or were hired by a fellow Patriot like here in Detroit where we had Bob Quinn the head of scouting with Patriots who brought in Patricia. And truth now is Belichick the GM is hurting Belichick the head coach. People like point out Belichick was 41-57 before Brady took over in 2001, however there is more context then just the numbers. Belichick took over a rebuilding Cleveland Browns job in 1991 pre free agency, so took longer turn a team around, after 3 years a combined record of 20-28, Belichick went 11-5 and won a playoff game in 1994 with Vinny Testeverde, and correctly made the unpopular decision to move on from Bernie Kosar who was done. In 1995 Browns had Super Bowl aspirations, got off to a 4-4 start when Art Modell pulled rug on the season with 8 games left. With rumors swirling that Modell was going move to the team prior to a home game against the Oilers a 37-10 loss, going 4-5, Modell the next day announced team would move to Baltimore in 1996 and team never recovered losing their next 5 games, before winning the second to last game the finale at Cleveland Stadium, finishing 5-11. Belichick got screwed by Modell, why he resigned as Jets head coach in 2000 who at the time were on the market to be sold, with no owner in place, Belichick wisely wasn’t going take his second and likely last chance of being a head coach and not knowing who the owner was after the way Art Modell did him wrong, including firing over the phone after saying Belichick woukd come to Baltimore with the team. So having a previous relationship with Robert Kraft as an assistant there in 1996 under Parcells, Belichick felt comfortable returning work for an owner like Kraft who seen the team was heading towards mediocrity under Pete Carroll. And yes Belichick started off 5-13 in New England however in 2008 and 2016 Brady would miss a total of 19 games where the team went 13-6 with quarterbacks like Matt Cassel, Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissett. The team didn’t implode like Colts did after Peyton Manning was out for season in 2011 with Colts going from 10-6 to 2-14. It was obvious Belichick had built a strong foundation led by a quarterback in Brady that bought in and set the tone for others too, but let’s not act he inherited a can’t miss prospect in Brady, who was a sixth round pick. The Patriots ranked 6th, 1st & 2nd in defense those first 3 Super Bowl titles, allowed Brady time to develop and become the GOAT from 2007 on when Brady won his first MVP. There was once an actual debate in the 00s between Peyton Manning and Brady. And I give Brady credit for winning with Bucs, first by having the football IQ to see how talented the Buccaneers were and not going to the Raiders, Chargers like some of teams he was rumored too. Unfortunately you hang on too long, you eventually won’t go out on top as Brady experienced his first losing season as starter last year, with a Brady unlike mentality where he ran off Arians then skipped out training camp over his wife, Brady lost the structure Belichick provided. And Belichick the GM has hurt Belichick the coach, his drafts of late have been head scratchers which has played a huge part in teams decline. Maybe Belichick will get his next team to join like Brady did the Buccaneers, a team with a quarterback in place like the Chargers, I like see it.

  • @classicalliberalarts
    @classicalliberalarts Před 6 měsíci +23

    The "coaches who made a living off of Tom Brady's success" tree....

  • @Tytoalba777
    @Tytoalba777 Před 6 měsíci +1

    It's not often you come across a coaching tree so large but so dead.

  • @hanshawks5088
    @hanshawks5088 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Bill Walsh hired good people and wasn't afraid to let them succeed

  • @EmmaBonn96
    @EmmaBonn96 Před 6 měsíci +5

    I think it would be interesting to look at other limbs on bill parcells coaching tree. While Coughlin and Payton were successful their assistants haven’t really shown much more. Dan Campbell may be the exception.

    • @IamUroboros
      @IamUroboros Před 6 měsíci

      There is far more turn over with assistants and coordinators these days. Honestly most coaches arent really innovating as much as they are using a subset of Bill Walsh's system, so really it's all Walsh's coaching tree, and if you actually look at his tree you'd find that to be mostly true. That just show's how far ahead Walsh actually was.

    • @EmmaBonn96
      @EmmaBonn96 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@IamUroboros I think the bill Walsh coaching tree is still alive and developing
      The Reid limb and the Shanahan limb still bear fruit.
      Perhaps that system is better for coaching trees compared to the Parcels system

  • @jennyanydots2389
    @jennyanydots2389 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Bill should give Thom one of his rings and service him extra for how much he did fer him.

    • @nunyabusiness5075
      @nunyabusiness5075 Před 6 měsíci

      What about the two Superbowl rings Belichick got while being the defensive coordinator with the Giants? Does he have to give those away too?

    • @williamli6200
      @williamli6200 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@nunyabusiness5075 When his defense was asked to save the team at critical times, his defense failed, even played less than 20 minutes.
      The missing FG saved the Giants. Remember how Pats beat Bills? that is what he needed from his QB, with a cheap squad, against good teams.

    • @jennyanydots2389
      @jennyanydots2389 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@nunyabusiness5075 If Billy Big Boi didn't have some of the best (certainly one of the best in LT) pass rush in NFL history that team isn't remembered for anything and Billy Big Boi is probably acting assistant managing his local Home Depot for a living by now. Just like in NE... he only cuts the turds when he had the personnel... love to see how good the defense is without Lawrence Tayler, probably the most feared pass rusher in modern NFL history... (maybe reggie white Tops his Power Bottom out)

  • @hyperbolicaltimechamber6
    @hyperbolicaltimechamber6 Před 6 měsíci

    u so toxic, i love it 😂😂

  • @waynelei6459
    @waynelei6459 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Belichick is the luckiest coach in the history, he passed on Tom Brady 5 times and still got him. And that move is the reason of his coaching career.

  • @OwlGreene
    @OwlGreene Před 6 měsíci +1

    Desharby Watstein...
    One reason why I watch FivePoints faithfully.

  • @samthemufasa
    @samthemufasa Před 6 měsíci

    "ocean grave submarine" hahaha

  • @minhduong1484
    @minhduong1484 Před 6 měsíci +1

    If I remember right, Brian Flores was congratulated for getting the New York job before he even interviewed. Flores was scheduled to be interviewed later. That would mean Daboll already had the job and the Flores interview was just for appearances. That is if everything alleged is true.

  • @maskedman5657
    @maskedman5657 Před 6 měsíci +14

    Brian Flores has turned the Vikings roster all around compared to last year. And the Vikings Roster lost a lot defensive pieces. So this part of Bellicheck coaching tree is still kicking.

    • @BillyBob-wq9fl
      @BillyBob-wq9fl Před 6 měsíci

      Surprised brian hasnt claimed that someone called him a racial slur.

    • @maskedman5657
      @maskedman5657 Před 6 měsíci +7

      @@BillyBob-wq9fl maybe because your jokes aren't funny

    • @mudman619
      @mudman619 Před 6 měsíci

      except the video is about head-coaching fails, not assistant coaches.

    • @maskedman5657
      @maskedman5657 Před 6 měsíci

      @@mudman619 But Daboll hasn't really failed tho

    • @ilznidiotic
      @ilznidiotic Před 6 měsíci

      @@maskedman5657 It ain't looking great

  • @candlestickboy1203
    @candlestickboy1203 Před 6 měsíci +1

    FTR Bill O'Brien did not lead the Texans to their first 2 playoff wins. That piece of history belongs to Gary Kubiak

  • @robb1068
    @robb1068 Před 6 měsíci +1

    You mean none of these guys made the genius move of discovering his backup quarterback was a future Hall of Famer and generational talent?😂

  • @MHO999999
    @MHO999999 Před 6 měsíci +7

    They should call it the Tom Brady coaching tree. You need a QB like Brady for the tree to bear fruit.

    • @KevinT7274
      @KevinT7274 Před 6 měsíci

      Yep, Brady was the engine that made the Belichick car run. That's why Belichick isn't close to the top as far as all time great head coaches.

  • @bryantsteury8910
    @bryantsteury8910 Před 6 měsíci

    The whole Flores and racism suit was such nonsense. "Bill Belechik called the wrong person with the same first name, and a last name two letters different, it's racism!!!"

  • @anakinskyogre1037
    @anakinskyogre1037 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Us lions fans had to endure his influence for years thankfully was fired from Detroit

    • @ademirsegura6307
      @ademirsegura6307 Před 6 měsíci

      And that led to Matt Stafford to Hollywood and a Super Bowl

    • @DNSKansas
      @DNSKansas Před 6 měsíci

      The old lady loved Patricia. Sheila had to beg and beg and beg her mother to fire him and Quinn.

  • @KaiserChef
    @KaiserChef Před 6 měsíci

    Love me some johnny john johns scooter action.

  • @specstar8724
    @specstar8724 Před 4 měsíci +1

    The Falcons are about to have the worst coaching staff of all time. And when Belichick dies we're going to sign joe judge to a contract guaranteed. We are so f*cked!

  • @krisgordon3116
    @krisgordon3116 Před 4 měsíci

    Notice how Belichick sends failed disciples to teams that beat him in the Super Bowl.

  • @unclecreepy4185
    @unclecreepy4185 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Bill Belichick had a dream one night. As he walked along the beach with the Lord, he saw two sets of footprints in the sand and flashes of his career, after the last moments of his career, he looked back and noticed often only 1 set of prints. My Lord, why is it when I had success and was winning, there’s only one set of footprints? Why would you leave me? The Lord replied, my son, those are the times Tom Brady carried you.

  • @jonsmith7659
    @jonsmith7659 Před 6 měsíci +3

    I hate Tom Brady. But without him, Bill can’t win. He looks like a fraud at this point.

  • @georgesouthwick7000
    @georgesouthwick7000 Před 4 měsíci +1

    The reason Belichick’s discipline have failed is because none of them had Tom Brady as their quarterback.

  • @donaldscaglione8983
    @donaldscaglione8983 Před 6 měsíci

    That was hilarious and well done

  • @user-wu1bl5ns8i
    @user-wu1bl5ns8i Před 4 měsíci

    "Desharvey Watstein" LOL

  • @sethmaki1333
    @sethmaki1333 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Brian Flores is experiencing a bit of a phoenix rise as Minnesota's DC. I wouldn't say it's quite all the way dead yet.

  • @Stephen-to7jx
    @Stephen-to7jx Před 6 měsíci

    I made the same Tom Brady comment for a previous video about Belichick's coaching tree.

  • @michaelbugliosi735
    @michaelbugliosi735 Před 5 měsíci +1

    this is common in the real world. a single high performer (brady) makes an entire staff look way better than they actually are. when other organizations attempt to poach that "talent", they are ultimately disappointed

  • @Sonofagreatdad
    @Sonofagreatdad Před 6 měsíci

    none of them had tom Brady clones at their new jobs. bellicheck is like a guy who won the lottery and somehow convinced himself he was a business genius

  • @Mitchell504
    @Mitchell504 Před 6 měsíci

    Excellent videos great observations.

  • @jackbryan4676
    @jackbryan4676 Před 5 měsíci

    Imagine if Daboll gets replaced this off-season by Belichick, and the new Pats coach is Josh McDaniels. The NFL comedy meter would go on full tilt.

  • @grinningchicken
    @grinningchicken Před 6 měsíci +1

    The Bill Walsh tree is one of the best.

  • @teewrx420
    @teewrx420 Před 4 měsíci

    Tom Brady is the only reason Belichick will ever be discussed in the same breath as Landry, Lombardi, and Parcells.

  • @rolyrod69
    @rolyrod69 Před 6 měsíci

    I live this topic! Was hoping someone made this the other day!

  • @jrob2430
    @jrob2430 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Romeo was a coach THREE YEARS AGO? Geez I forgot it was that recent

    • @ErikCB912
      @ErikCB912 Před 6 měsíci +2

      He was the interim hc for the Texans after BOB was fired.

  • @theonewhoknocks2809
    @theonewhoknocks2809 Před 6 měsíci

    “Well turns out Mangini was a mangina.” Lmfao

  • @sirekumasutra7022
    @sirekumasutra7022 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Patricia looked like homeless DJ Khaled. When he coached our Lions I used to call him Coach Khaled.

  • @Amp5150
    @Amp5150 Před 5 měsíci +1

    it's pretty clear now tom brady was literally carrying them all. mcdaniels, obrien and patricia are among the very worst football coaches/gm's that have ever been employed in the nfl

  • @75aces97
    @75aces97 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Belichick came off of one of the great coaching trees, but is turning out like Joe Gibbs, who was also an excellent coach for years, but did not produce any lineage of great disciples.

  • @MrTexasGamer2005
    @MrTexasGamer2005 Před 6 měsíci

    O’Brian won a playoff game win Osweiler, but on the other hand, he had to play the Raiders with Connor Cook at QB

  • @denizgifford1670
    @denizgifford1670 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Bill Without Brady Is not even the best coach in this grouping. 11 Seasons without Brady and he has no Division titles, 1 Playoff win and 2 Playoff appearances. 2 Bottom of division finishes. At least Bill OBrien could win a division.

  • @courteouscarpenter7811
    @courteouscarpenter7811 Před 6 měsíci

    Oh interesting. This will be a good watch thank you have a great

  • @BroadswordMedia
    @BroadswordMedia Před 6 měsíci

    Dude! The Texans won playoff games in their 1st 2 playoff seasons back in 2011 and 2012 when Gary Kubiak was the coach

  • @RosaHernandez-vy4dm
    @RosaHernandez-vy4dm Před 6 měsíci

    T.B. 12 was the main ingredient that cook those 6 super bowls 🤪

  • @shifty1927
    @shifty1927 Před 6 měsíci +1

    As a Washington fan it still hurts seeing the Shanahan coaching tree. Especially knowing we had all that talent but stuck with Jay Gruden.😂😂

  • @kenosabi
    @kenosabi Před 6 měsíci

    Watching Belicheck speed run to irrelevance is pretty awesome. Ngl.

  • @DavidLimofLimReport
    @DavidLimofLimReport Před 6 měsíci +1

    Bill Belichick is the Sir Alex Ferguson of the NFL in that all his proteges have failed.
    In McDaniels, Garcia, O'Brien, Dabol, you have Bruce, Hughes, Robson and Scholes.

  • @diesel9324
    @diesel9324 Před 6 měsíci

    Shoutout to to Jeff Saturday wearing a Marty McFly life preserver vest on and a plaid shirt on a nationally broadcast tv show.

  • @donaldroman2717
    @donaldroman2717 Před 6 měsíci

    It is very rare for anybody from our coaching staff to succeed outside of the system you could probably name on one hand the number of them that even succeeded as coordinators not HCS

  • @josel.martinez7210
    @josel.martinez7210 Před 6 měsíci +1

    BB owes his success to Brady! Losing record before Brady, and struggling since!

  • @grogery1570
    @grogery1570 Před 4 měsíci

    After watching this I am no longer asking why only two teams want him as coach, I am asking why does anyone want him to be head coach?

  • @baronvg
    @baronvg Před 6 měsíci +3

    That clip of Belichick rudely shoving that cameraman out of the way will never get old lol

  • @ryanstrnad8442
    @ryanstrnad8442 Před 6 měsíci

    I dont recall seeing Charlie Weis on here (he didnt do much coaching college football either). Another coach from New England during his era who didnt come all that close to equaling Belichick's Brady years when he was with another team was...Bill Belichick! When he was at Cleveland.