Tesla FSD drives where others can’t
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Would you believe me if I told you the bike ghost ride caused $7k in damage
Absolutely. Frankly I'm surprised it wasn't totaled
Damn i would just live with the damage
I would, and in my opinion its usually mostly the owners fault for having such a valuabe, sensitive item exposed.
What? I’d like to see pics of that. I can’t believe there was any damage besides maybe a little paint that could be touched up.
Body shop is fleecing the insurance company.
14:19 The traffic cone illusion is a horizon effect due to curvature of the road surface. I've seen this in a lot of FSD videos & it happens with stop signs too. It initially cannot see the bottom of a pole or cone, because the curve of the road hides the ground, and this may cause it to place the object roughly at the "horizon" of the curvature rather than further back. This comes back around to perception uncertainty & the path planner. Whenever there are partial occlusions, the actual depth of an object becomes much less certain. And many uncertain objects may not be rendered in the visualization. Due to extreme safety requirements even a tiny chance of an object, car or person being in the road must be accounted for. So that cone is a great example. It also shows considerable lag/inconsistency between the visualization and what it perceives. Since it drives right over the imaginary cone, it must've already determined no cone was there, but the visualization hadn't been informed, so to speak.
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your videos are BY FAR the best fsd videos out there! I am watching your channel since the very early days. It has come a long way. Greetings from Germany!
Thank you so much for the kind words alphablondy! Appreciate you being here :]
^^ This is EXACTLY the comment I was gonna type!! :-D Greetings back!
edit: PS: Love Alpha Blondy!
My personal takeaway is how the benchmark has shifted and how normal no interruption drives have become.
On the other hand, Tesla was supposed to have operational full self driving taxis by the first of 2023...
@@ibnorml5506 Disappointing, but it's fine. Even if it will be released in 2027, it will definetly change the future.
@@ibnorml5506 that is true, but where is the competition? it is impressive imo
The audio for this video was fantastic. The stereo effect made me feel like I was in the driver's sit! Amazing!
Awesome! So glad to hear, binaural mics are a bit of pain but comments like this make it all worth it!
@@AIDRIVR It is great to be a part of this amazing community you have created! Is there any place (ie Twitter, etc) that we could dm you from? If not, I totally understand!
@@AIDRIVR Yes and with AirPod pros the zooming effect was excellent.
Yeah the audio was great. Especially when passing people and motorbike.
@@AIDRIVR +1 it felt super realistic!
Laughed out loud at the end to see this smart Model S with the AI DRIVR plate, sitting nonplussed in the road. Pretty area, beautiful day, great video as always. Thanks. I 've pretty much stopped watching all the other FSD videos, so the responsibility is all yours now!
Yeah the ending was a big LOL, thanks so much for watching and for the kind words as always Nick! Truly appreciated
It keeps amazing me how good these videos ant the visuals are! You can really get a feel fro how FSD is behaving/improving. Thanks for the awesome channel you build!
Thank you for coming back. We missed you 😀 Excellent content as always.
Thanks AIDRVR. The visuals on the touchscreen shows double yellow line where there is no markings on the road. FSD Beta assumes that two way traffic on this road and is aware of traffic on the opposite direction. Good idea to try and stay on the right side of the road as much as possible unless needed to avoid parked cars on the right. V11.3.6 is so much smoother and lane changes are smooth as butter. When FSD sometimes turns the wheel when stopped, I think that it is creating a reference point of which objects are stationary.
Yeah, it’s vision definitely needs some degree of movement to be 100% certain of stuff. Sometimes you can see lane lines disappearing at intersections in peoples videos when the car stops, and they reappear as soon as it starts moving again
2:40 that transition was smooth as FSD 14
Love your FSD videos! Keep it up
Appreciate it! And will do :] you're going to love the next one
Rafaa.....iti place Tesla?
Glad u are back
Excellent work and impressive FSD as usual. This drive was in my neighborhood and I can tell you the Tesla performed better than 80% of human drivers at some of those weird intersections. Most people don't know how to handle them either and that looked pretty solid.
David Schopfer: Thanks for pointing that out. Not being from that area and as unsure as I would have been about many of the unusual intersections (especially re little or no markings), it's nice to verify that the Tesla was handling it overall pretty close to human drivers' capability.
Video idea: find the longest distance where waymo and cruise can both operate. Then do a comparison between them and FSD beta. I think it would be cool to compare them even when the other systems are limited by area.
I remember when FSD Beta couldn't do roundabouts or even simple turns in the beginning. Now look at this. Its amazing!
15:08 Watch out for that creeper!
I'll happily start the stop sign discussion:
As soon as (most) all drivers adhere to the laws, be it by programming or convined otherwise, laws and sinage can be adapted to what is actually necessary. I would love to see us getting rid of all those speed limits posted, so most drivers don't exceed 10-20km/h more. (that's what is the common thing to do in Germany)
Subbed at the appreciation segment. Been lurking for a while. Hands down the best overlay / visualization you have going on here! 🙌
Thanks for the add progress bar. I’ve never seen anyone do that before and I really appreciate it.
I had headphones on. Found the wind/road noise a bit too loud in the beginning, but i loved hearing the traffic, especially when that motorcycle passed on the left to perfectly showcase the stereo effect 😎
Thanks for putting so much effort in these videos!
Benedikt, you are spot on and i agree with what you said 100%!!!
Great video, as always. The audio was great! Definitely a great addition to the already awesome experience. I started following you since the "Hold my beer" video, it was my first video on self driving cars, and I love them since (I'm only watching yours). Keep doing what you doing 'cause it's great!
❤from Italy!
Your videos are BY FAR the best FSDβ videos out there! I'm watching your channel since the very early days. Keep up the good work! Greetings from Germany!
9:00 on the visualization the planner shows a stop line, suggesting the car thinks it's a turn onto a different road or something like that
2 things; First, the running sound effect for the kid was fu€#ing hilarious. The second, your video quality is second to none. Great work!
Great video! Your videos are never boring.
Hopefully kind enough request:
Can we maybe get a (one time/rare) video of Beta driving in "Waymo would dare this too" roads with your style of visualization and fast forwarding to the outlier situations and your lovely commentary?
Basically a if-they-flipped-the-robotaxi-switch-right-now drive instead of your typical veteran-difficulty routes.
European who can't try himself here would appreciate big time!
Hi! I really enjoy watching your videos! I noticed that in your videos you talk about driving smoothness quite often.
I have an idea (which probably already came to your mind too) which would help you convey the differences between a human driver and a tesla FSD, while also being able to store the data and compare it between different versions of FSD.
So, the idea is quite simple. Using an accelerometer, you could record the G-forces throughout a fixed drive path with a real human driver and a FSD. After that you could, for example, show the graphs in comparison, or compare median G-forces, or whatever. You don't even need to buy special equipment, every phone has one installed, you just need an app that can record the data and a fixed holder for your phone.
Using that idea, you could let the FSD drive on the same path every time there is an update and compare the smoothness visually and numerically in a precise and easy-to-understand manner. Also, I think that a real-time graph of G-forces down in the left corner would be interesting too!
Hope that you will see this and consider, if you haven't already! Cheers!
Incredible insights into the progress of fsd. Thanks as always.
Excellent as always!
I have watched the whole video now, really impressive video editing and audio! :) Great to se how far FSD beta has come on this short time since your first video. :)
AMAZING content, thank you, I always watch your videos from first to last second, cause of the great editing
I'm telling you, this is really becoming insane and feels like unreal. The fact that we are witnessing the most valuable and hardest tech evolving is nuts. I think real world data ( or human data ) might be the most valuable thing in the world.
Every urban area in Europe says hello/hold my beer. Great to see it navigating this.
Love your videos. They are obviously a lot of work. Thank you!
I’m in beta jail for 2 weeks rn so I have to watch videos
Thank you for these videos. Very entertaining and informative.
That route is claustrophobic at the best of times! FSD's performance on those roads was great and it shows it has been trained on them...
I just about guarantee that even if the visualization are crisp and stable, the underlying issues behind jittery path planning is one of perception uncertainties and strict margins of error for safety. The uncertainties are probably more often about possible objects/pedestrians in/on/around the road. But even if it show confident road edges & lanes lines, that is still going to simply be it's best estimate. Various lines like the edges of shadows, cracks in the road, etc, may internally be given some small chance of being a road edge, discolored areas of road given a small chance of being "non-drivable space", and so on. If you watch the things that do still flicker and shift strangely in the visualization, especially things like partially occluded parked cars, you can see it still have non-trivial uncertainties about the geometry of what it sees. If you could bypass vision and give it absolutely certain geometry, such as from a video game, the planner would have no problems.
I appreciate you doing what you're doing!
Another great drive. You are the only FSD beta tester I watch!! Keep up the wonderful videos. Thanks
Awesome! Thanks for the great video
I think the visualization receives updates about the location of cones and sometimes misses the future updates from the FSD computer that the cone doesn't exist anymore
Thanks for another great video! :)
It's really nice to see FSD on narrower roads, these kind of roads are far more frequent here in Europe.
I'm holding off on buying a Model Y because I feel the future of FSD is still uncertain over here in Germany, but I would love to see it handle some european roads.
Also it looks like the hardware is getting updated soon
I found the audio is a lot more clear. I can hear its stereo, and it's fantastic. I love your videos!
Im halfway through the video, great editing and great audio!! :)
Thanks for the video! Perfect timing for lunch entertainment :)
LOVE the ambient audio!
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That full and complete stop at 8:59 is probably due to the difficult math with the sharp right turn and the two vehicles parked blocking artificial visibility, which has got to be a tough problem and just goes to show how freaking amazing the human brain is since we just naturally flow right through it
Mike Thomas: I think (competent) humans can rely a LOT on experience and logic. For example, if there truly weren't enough room to drive a car through, we can deduce that cops / a tow truck would have been called to deal with improperly parked cars actually blocking the road. So a good human driver can be alert and monitor things but proceed knowing there's a VERY high probability that there will be enough room UNLESS someone is double parked, etc. in the blind spot.
I don't see why the AI couldn't slow down a LOT and be cautious, but proceed, and be ready to stop if the situation becomes clearly untenable -- especially in an area with low traffic. Maybe that sort of thing happens in another couple/few years with more training, more experience, and more edge case programming.
I'd like to see someone like James Douma (AI expertise and FSD awareness) would assess the future of such cases.
great videos!! long time fan!
Thanks for the good video. I wish I could say the same about Tesla customer service. My 2020 M3 has only 15k miles on it and in early March the upper control arm joint started groaning and creaking loudly. I did a service request and our mobile service team in Anchorage responded with "we have no trips to Fairbanks scheduled at this time". Finally on Thursday they said they will be here in Mid-June on the day I need the car to travel. So, ordering myself. But, I have to wait for Tesla service to order the part because customers parts ordering is down right now and they have no estimate of when it will be back up. So, I will pay $90 for the arm, install it myself and in return, Tesla will void the warranty on that area. Customer service is the worst part of owning a Tesla. Has been since even before we picked up the car in late 2019. I hear the same is true of Starlink customer service.
great drive and video. Agree that Beta is getting better. I only have about 4 spots on my 40 mile test loop where I need to be careful and may need to intervene. The ending was hilarious.
9:33 it looked like it expected a sweeping road with a road teeing into it. Once over the crest it realized 'straight' was actually the road it though teed in and it needed to cross traffic which it needed to check for before proceeding.
Hi, thank you for all your work from Italy. Curious To know if even at night it would be able to perform so well. Thank you again
More great work, @AIDRIVR! First video in a while which has impressed me with some hope. But experience here in Montreal is so different. I would have had 20 mandatory disengagements on a drive of that length. Fascinated to see the next 12 months' evolution!! Would love to hear your comments on the planner and upper control software all getting replaced by more neural networks.
profchris: Is it mostly road issues, or traffic issues? To me, seeing it struggle in very high traffic situations when judgement is called for (like complex intersections), is where I think that LOTS of time is still needed to approach true confident robo-taxi competence over large areas.
@@rogergeyer9851 Everything. It probably breaks the law 6 times just with lane navigation in a 10 minute drive (veering into other lanes or changing them, without signal; choosing wrong lane on far side of an intersection; etc). Also confusion about parked car lanes versus driveable. Oh and lights: No new laws here in Montreal, so how come it doesn't know basic rules about not turning during a green straight arrow? Or what lights in a direction-changing lane look like? Plus more interventions that might just be dangerous or extremely awkward. Yes, there are usually cars on the street here but it just feels like (a) it's been trained somewhere else, and (b) the videos online are all well-marked, pothole-free streets where you need little human intuition.
@@rogergeyer9851 Btw, the disengagement annotations seem an amazing opportunity. I'm sure my car can't record 20 snapshots when I make that many annotations in one drive, but I wish they would give us more guidance on what key words to use, etc to make these as valuable as possible. It seems to me they could produce very rapid convergence.
Great video. Thank you very much for your efforts!
Great Transition from sponsor spot to fsd ride!
The audio is really on point! Feels like sitting in the car when its now surrounding you!
Thank you for the quality content!
Man, I love your videos so much that I systematically give you a thumbs up before the video finishes loading 😂😂
Great video; worth the wait.
Another great one!!!!
Uhhh hello, this was an insane drive! It did so amazingly well, much better and safer than *most* human drivers.
Incredible progress, hopefully within a year we will have a release version.
Fantastic edit on this!
Long time no see! Missed ya man, keep up the good work!
Another brilliant video so well edited and your camera positioning is amazing, love the narrow road when you had to pass the Model Y, you have tremendous courage to not take over in that situation. Or you are just crazy of course.😂
These videos are so valuable! More people need to see these.
Back on Feb., I was on a road trip on a highway when I dosed off for about :15, long enough to leave the left lane and sideswipe an 18-wheeler! Needless to say, Tesla 3 is looking better and better - largely due to your videos. I can’t imagine a FSD Tesla becoming ‘confused’ on a 2 lane highway. But for now, I’m hanging on to my Genesis G80, which I just got back from the shop yesterday.
I am concerned about the high cost of a new Tesla battery, though.
3:00 could be about making sure and traffic turning into the road will have enough space to turn in.
Bikers ride defensively, taking a dominant lane position that forces other drivers to, 1) Always be aware of bikers, and 2) Cede lane positioning to bikers. This is absolutely necessary and best riding practices, as it ensures maximum biker safety, and minimizes accidents related to motorcyclists (which are almost always, nearly invariably, caused by the vehicular driver not understanding or respecting biker right-of-way, and in turn usually killing the biker due to ignorance/negligence). What the biker did there, where it forced other riders on that road to see him coming and to stop for him, is frankly both a risky maneuver (you have to be a confident and capable biker to drive in absolutely f---ing stupid roads like those in the first place) and a very necessary one given he has a passenger and cannot therefore utilize the bikes full maneuverability without risking the passenger/safety of the bike overall due to the changed riding dynamics (and potential for the passenger to not move appropriately and fast enough in line with the biker to maintain appropriate center of gravity for a rapid or breaking maneuver).
You will never see competent bikers riding on the "far side" of the lane. They will always drive as near as possible to the center of the road, ensuring everybody/as many people as possible can see them, predict their movements, and, if necessary, are forced to cede right-of-way to bikers where the biker decides necessary for their own safety. They're a biker, they're better at driving/riding/roads/safety than you, period: respect their right-of-way, they've got an infinitely better idea of road physics and the driving psychology/behaviour of car-users than you, it's literally necessary to and becomes intuitive to the act of riding for anybody with any amount of on-road riding experience.
This is also why riders tend to do stuff you may consider "assholish," like driving between lanes to escape traffic, because, no matter how much you may think it unfair that they get to pass you (sucks to suck, buttercup), it's literally safer that way, and to ensure maximum safety the onus of responsibility *is on you as a driver to understand and respect rider right-of-way and defensive riding.*
Excellent FSD demo!
Nice. I drive on FSD to the Wildwood school here in Piedmont almost daily.
Great content as always.
It's a good thing that you uploaded again cause I'm a new viewer and will be watching more later
A lot of what you were calling Oakland looks like Piedmont. I remember some of those nutty intersections.
Also, a full and complete stop at a stop sign is the only correct thing to do.
Thanks for the great video!
Interesting that van that killed FSD is the same thing we've seen with Waymo - the car doesn't know whether to wait for the car to exit out or move into the next lane - I think the visual needs to see if it anyone is in the car to know how to proceed
The instant I saw the transition from the editing screen on the macbook to the actual video being edited, I had to boosh the like button. 👊
There's a road here in New Zealand, that is very narrow and I was scared that I was going to hit the cars next to me! But when I was driving down it one day, I saw a G Wagon/Range Rover Driving behind me on the same narrow road and I was like "How the heck does that large SUV fit down this road?!"
Great fsd content 👌. Love seeing how it's progressing on tight roads , gives me some hope of seeing iy handle UK roads 😂
You’re doing great, one of the only beta testers really pushing fsd to it’s limits (I especially like your crash stress tests)
Best video ever❤
3:07 I think in the next version of the car it will have side mounted cameras on the front bumper to fix the uncomfortable creep. Right now its using cameras mounted too far back.
Thank you!
14:20 I think the cone you “ran over” is just an outdated ghost. If you watch it in slowmo, it only sees the cone on the right at first, and updates its position a couple times. But then it sees both cones and draws both of them in an updated location, and abandons the old one. The two new cones keep getting updated as you move forward, until they are actually next to the truck (instead of far away from it)
Long story short, it constantly updates the accuracy of the cone positions as it gets closer, but there appears to be a visual bug that sometimes leaves a ghost behind from an old update
16:14 same thing here with the double stop sign visualization. First, it draws the stops sign location pretty early on, just after your view of it fully clears the bush on your left (as you come around the bend)
Then at 16:18 it draws an updated location for the stop sign. I think it’s using the parked car on your right as a reference, and the new position relative to that car is quite accurate. It just forgets to stop drawing the outdated location for some reason
The audio in this one is good, I feel like you can hear just the right amount of road noise.
17:35 dude this van you encountered that the car stopped fir abs never move, I think it’s the same one I have been encountering for years and years now, while I made doorsash and Amazon deliveries in oak/Berkeley hills! I think it’s always there and it’s a serious hazard tbh
♥ *Well done!!!*
Oh, I love the new audio design, it's really immersive!
Thanks! Great channel and I subscribed!
Amazing, I realy wonder how it will do if there are challenging road or weather conditions.
In so many occasions it's been going around obsticles almost perfectly, but this van reaching into it's path was too confusing for FSD, would be interesting if it's reacting just like that in identical situations.
Seems like each version update now is bringing bigger steps to real FSD.
Simply just wow. This is so far beyond any other attempt of self-driving. Just 2-3 years ago, Beta wouldn’t have even attempted to do 85% of the manoeuvres in this video.
I found this quite impressive. First, where it is slow and cautious where things are confusing or visibility isn't great, I have NO problem at all. FAR better for it to be cautious than potentially cause a low speed accident or, even worse, hit a pedestrian. (As a potential Tesla cab user, I don't care at ALL if it takes me 2 or 5 minutes more to make my trip, especially if it's comfortable, SAFE, and consistent. I don't care AT ALL if it takes slightly longer routes. I go around the block to avoid very nasty / dangerous high speed left hand turns on busy roads, for example. I've seen too many bad accidents such places from impatient/unsafe drivers.)
For me not being in the area and being a cautious driver, it handled most of it about like I would. The only real objection is the dead stops for no reason and of course, the end of the drive. Again, slowing significantly, no problem.
But drives like this give me hope that it will actually HAPPEN, re robo-taxis over large areas, in 3 to 5 years, say, and of course, improvements continuing.
Of course, other drives (in other areas) NOT SO MUCH, but overall, the cumulative improvement is significant and reassuring.
This was the smoothest ride I've seen
The ending was definitely surprising!
9:03 i think it did that because the cars in the road on both sides and the van at the end of the driveway it looks like it was making sure it had the room , that the van wasn't backing out, and that it had the right of way once it could determine no oncoming traffic because the one lane road now with those the parked cars on both sides...
I would like to see “blue cruise” try that.
Nice job FSD.
Thanks for applying a high pass filter, way better without all the rumble, subwoofer would go crazy before
Regarding the roundabout at 10:00 I think there's a good chance the parked car trips it up. I know it's supposed to handle parked cars super well, but at least where I live (Denmark, Europe) parking a car right up next to a roundabout is super illegal. Any intersection really, gotta have at least 5m from the car to the start of the intersection.
So perhaps Beta was evaluating whether the park that wasn't supposed to be legally parked, WAS in fact a driving car that was waiting for something.
Just a thought.
FYI to people watching, the unnecessary full stops and blinker signals are due to NHTSA forcing FSD to fully follow any and all road laws, wherein these are included. So it seems dumb but is forced by legislature
They aren't unnecessary stops, they're legally required.
@@logitech4873 They are unnecessary in that the US roads tend to overuse stop signs apparently.
And again, thank you!
15:32 well played fsd