Tesla FSD gets Overly Aggressive: The Sequel
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Wow. This video is perfection. The routes, the commentary, the multi perspective video, the overlay, omg. Probably more helpful in understanding FSD than any other source.
Good point. Indeed. This is a superb video. So much great content with great observations and commentary 👍
Agreed, you have the best FSD videos I have seen, ever. Awesome job!
Even the route difficulty had so many edge case scenarios
And on the most difficult of scenarios anywhere in the U.S. Once we know FSD has mastered the bay area we will know FSD has officially arrived. Chat GPT moment will likely come by the end of this year. We are very close.
wtf
Yours are the best FSD videos by far. No silly self conscious giggling. No panic on disengagements. No emotional roller coaster. Just smooth as silk delivery of the goods with style and detail. Thank you!!!
Thank you for the kind words Xialla! Truly appreciated
Another good CZcamsr with a same style would be Dirty Tesla who is from my experience really good as well
@@AIDRIVR Yeah these videos are sick
That transition to the outro starting at 22:25 almost bordered on mastery... I'm not sure I have ever seen such a smooth and satisfying one.
This man’s a wizard
Wow the SF road planners made a real mess of these roads 😮 Lots of good data for the Tesla team!
You think these roads were planned? More like they paved the existing goat paths.
That's what organic City growth looks like. In Europe that's the default.
IMO SF roads are actually really good for a large urban HILLY city.
@@Ample17 not in northern Europe
@@jooptablet1727 You guys got chess board cities ?
Here in the UK, these SF videos are of extra interest because the narrow roads forcing a bit of turn-taking through tighter sections are a lot more like home. Lots of direct drive to driver communication at times! Got to say too, 11.4.1 seems like a bit of a step change forward in behaviour.
The inability to back up is definitely going to be an issue in the UK though. It needs to be able to back up to work with other drivers through pinch points and narrow sections with parked cars. Otherwise it is always going to expect the other driver to backup which isn’t reasonable, and what happens if it meets another Tesla?!
@@ryanmitcham5522that is probably why they are currently banned in the UK everywhere
I actually like the more aggressive behavior, especially in cities like sf or ny where people simply do not let you in.
same, i dont live in america and fsd isnt available in my country but people also sometimes dont give any chances of getting in a lane etc here too and more aggressive behavior is definetly appreciated in these types of areas
In some places, it's necessary. Would be nice to have a setting for it.
Agreed. At some point in the future FSD will hopefully adjust its aggressiveness automatically. Chill in the countryside and frothing-berserker-mode for SF.
@@jjacky231 good idea, would be real nice if tesla would implement something like that onto the vehicles
@@Error-33 Yep, sometimes you have to force yourself into a lane.. I live in LA. Get the front of your car into a lane, now they have to let you in, unless they wanna hit you lol.
The pedestrians crossing on your green (around 16:30) was handled perfectly by FSD. Slowing down to show it won't actually run them over, but still move up real close to show they're in the wrong. I probably wouldn't done little different in such a scenario
agreed, there was no real danger there
“Between adjacent intersections controlled by traffic control signal devices or by police officers, pedestrians shall not cross the roadway at any place except in a crosswalk… This subdivision does not relieve a driver of a vehicle from the duty of exercising due care for the safety of any pedestrian within the roadway.” from the CA vehicle code. don’t really have an opinion on what the car did, just putting that there if there are any “cars running over ‘jaywalkers’ on a slow street” apologists
Bjarke: Exactly. There are rules for both drivers and pedestrians. The key thing is not to put the pedestrians in danger, but try to keep traffic moving enough not to induce more honking, etc. It's all about balance in complex traffic.
@@weirdfish1216: Given that the car never came at ALL close to running over anyone, such apologists whining about that scenario have no leg to stand on. FSD isn't perfect re pedestrians, but overall, it is impressive, and it's making good progress and IMO in the VAST majority of cases, safety is a very high priority there.
Many releases back it used to worry me a bit about disregarding pedestrians walking on the side of a busy road, say, to get into their parked car. But I haven't noticed any issues with that in quite a while.
I mean, a teenager who’s in their phone wouldnt have even slowed down. FSD isn’t perfect and still needs work but it’s way safer than the bottom 1/3 or driver, especially if they are distracted.
Man, your videos are so high quality. Thanks for putting the effort into it! The end result is so nice!
19:40 I've consistently seen the beta try to take a right on red whenever it considers the maneuver as "rightward" enough to signal. Easily the biggest safety issue I've encountered with it
I like that FSD Beta works great in California with variety of difficult scenario! When using Beta in the Mid-West, it really struggles in the most basic intersections, round-a-bouts, and even 4-way intersections with stop signs.
Yep. It's still terrible in Montreal. I wonder how they will leverage learning from everywhere yet make its training specific to so many places. I suppose if you just have location as a high level input to the top network, it will figure that out optimally.
I wonder if it has to do with the population density of those areas? They get more training data in SF than anywhere else and it manages to work fairly well despite the challenging situations. Perhaps as a caution the NN has certain aspects that it needs to learn from local-ish experience.
@@profcpblhere are a lot of Teslas in California, so they can just copy what other drivers are doing in all sorts of situations. Since no other area is projected to have that many Teslas any time soon (or ever) given the increasing competition from other brands, your experience is likely more representative of the real Tesla experience than these videos for the time being
@@MarkFunderburk I think you're right. Tesla should consider giving a discount on FSD for driving in uncommon territory; help motivate novel training data
I think it has to do with map data.
Although Tesla isn’t willing to say out loud that map data is necessary, it is.
Not the 3D HD map data Waymo needs, but at least data to know how many lanes are going right for example.
Love your transitions from the Rear Following View to the normal view. Gives a great perspective.
Steve: Yes, especially for showing things like that very difficult left turn where both sides were mostly blind for the driver view. That multiple camera viewpoint is going to be VERY helpful for FSD safety in the longer run.
It does so much better than I would. I get overloaded when there’s tailgating, honking, pedestrians and limited visibility. Good to have multiple ‘eyes’ on the road.
If this car does so much better than you would, it might be time to practice driving some more.
@@tristanmoller9498 The thing is this car can drive better than you me and every one else, just not all the time in every situation.
It doesn't get drunk, it doesn't do drugs, it doesn't get pissed off and it doesn't get super depressed about loosing family members, getting a divorce or other road users.
Problem is, you're expected to be a much better driver than that to be able to constantly monitor it and decide when to engage. Essentially, you're in the role of the driving instructor here, and it takes more skill to navigate the same roads as a driving instructor overseeing a student than on your own
You're exactly why people don't trust teslas and their drivers
@@MaGiKRat420 yes, but they are the ones who actually need it, and Tesla knows this. It's like selling and marketing heroin but acting like heroin addicts are the ones to blame for giving heroin a bad name
7:59 I agree with you that the preferred approach was the one FSD took: smoothly turn right into the leftmost lane. Surprised to hear people griped at you about such turns. (This is in "my neighborhood," which emanates from just across the Panhandle at Lyon.)
KekekaSB: I wouldn't even like to have to USE that intersection. I was impressed at how it handled it (but I think it choosing the right lane for simplicity would be better as a strategy until it improves more).
It's far easier for folks to complain than do better themselves or do something constructive.
Like he mentioned, it's legal in California, but where I live (Oregon) it's not legal. From Oregon Dept. of Transportation's website: "Be sure to follow the pavement markings and stay in your lane when executing turns onto roadways with more lanes than the lane you are turning from. ... The general rule for turning is to turn from the nearest lane in the direction you are traveling to the nearest lane in the direction you want to go. Avoid swinging wide or changing lanes while turning." Of course if there are no other cars around, it's safe to "ignore" this law & turn into whatever lane you want, but I'd be worried about drivers who are used to making this maneuver and then do it while distracted & I'm in their blind spot.
It's also law in Ohio to use turn into the closest lane. I have only ever seen it enforced when they're looking for a reason to pull someone over in after-bar hours when they're looking for something to do.
I drive Beta everywhere, but your videos blow my mind! Third-party viewing adds a whole new dimension to what it's doing! Thanks for all your hard work!
Thanks AIDRVR for posting this two episode series on V11.4.1. It is mind boggling on how far FSD Beta has improved since Oct 2021. Your videos are so entertaining and well worth watching frame by frame. :) Great job.
I feel like having Disengagements Per Hour would be a good metric to have if you do a summary at the end.
If you did a 20min drive, multiply D by 3, if you drive 30min, D*2, 2 hours is D/2 etc.
Very cool ride, though! Curious about smoothness Lombard St (even though I know it's been done to death on previous versions already).
Agreed
@@crispyslotit's how often he disengages, same amount of disengagments. on this trip, for example, he had seven disengagments. across both parts, the drive was about an hour and half, so it is three and a half disengagments per hour. @dcdales
I think that would be interesting
I think that's silly for many reasons, but mostly because it really depends on where you're driving. You can drive for hundreds of hours of interstate without disengagements, but might get 3 in 15 minutes driving in a city that has rough spots and unforeseen circumstances.
@@crispyslot isn't that the whole purpose of statistics? To understand and interpret previous data? I think it'd be a nice way to see improvement. Though, in addition, drives would need to be done on similar or the same routes for accurate analysis ^^
Thanks. Some really nice polish on this video. I particularly liked the very end. Such a nice detail to let it come to 0 mph and then play the park animation. You’re an artist. And obviously obsessed with details 🙃
Great content … I too am using the beta in SF and bay area and am in awe of how good it is getting. Yesterday it made a left and accelerated quite aggressively to utilize a small gap in the oncoming traffic. It’s amazing how confident it’s getting.
I love it that you make more videos lately. As always the quality is great on your channel.
Please keep doing what you're doing.
(As an added bonus for me I also learn English while watching)
Love the detail of your analysis! You are helping the process immensely by finding things like the going through red lights problem! I saw this on my drive too.
I'm a huge fan of the style of your videos with the overlay letting us see what FSD is actually saying as it makes decisions.
I've been really interested in trying FSD in my Model 3 and videos like this really help me set expectations (and help decide if I'll try it out with family in the car) so I appreciate your content!
I think the interaction with the couple crossing the red light was very good.Pretty much the same as I would have driven, slowing down ready to stop, but still approaching them. I can't wait for FSD to come to Europe
14:41 Honestly, I rewatched that part a bunch and it took me like 30 seconds to find the red light even after you said it was there
Just want to say Wow!! The quality of this video is exceptional! You guide us through everything we need to see with confidence and aplomb. The Beta is amazing and you can see it's progress trajectory that will allow it to vary it's behavior for location. Thank you for taking the time and effort to produce an FSD beta that is not only informative but fun to watch!!
Self driving cars that you can buy/own are great for point A to B, especially for going to unknown areas. You only have to pay attention to the wrong things it might do, where as if you were driving yourself, you'd have to pay attention to the correct map/street address/turning points/new roads/landmarks/etc.
Most people dont realize how useful it currently is. It will be even more useful as it becomes better and better at catching the fails and correcting itself.
12:34 Semi truck with ppl walking beside it was the highlight of this video for me. Lol
This looks amazing -- I'm personally not super picky about whether it's slightly more or less aggressive, instead preferring improvements to awkwardness and unpredictability. My two biggest complaints are still turn signals and that it gets _more_ jittery (including with the accel pedal) in uncertainty, not less. I don't know if it's improving because the uncertainty handling is getting better, or if there are just less situations where it's uncertain, but I'm glad to see it. I wish there was some sort of clamp on how hard it's allowed to jerk the wheel the moment after the path planner makes a drastic jump, because those are the scary situations where it's suddenly decided to cut across lanes in an intersection or something. A jumpy path planner should be dampening the steering wheel and lowering the speed until it figures out what's actually safe/correct to do next. I'd also love a chime specific to uncertainty, like we get with construction, like "hey, I'm probably about to mess up". Which brings me to my biggest fear, that it doesn't actually know it's uncertain in those moments. 😅 Anyways, great videos!
Those are good points but in some situations hard jerk might save you from accident so you really can't limit the jerk. Planner just has to get better.
@@malax4013 I get that, in theory, but it isn’t good enough to be preventing accidents like that yet. That can’t be the reason it has a loose leash until the majority of jerk is really preventing disaster. Today it’s just the system freaking out 99% of the time, which trains the drivers to immediately override this behavior, potentially catastrophically in the rare instance it was correct. This is why I’d rather have uncertainty communicated and a “heightened risk” alert that I can react to as a driver by watching surroundings more closely, rather than being alerted via a new, unnecessary problem (the car veering itself into the wrong direction or brake checking the person behind me)
At least that would be my preference. The way it behaves in uncertainty now freaks me, my passengers, and nearby vehicles out. It’s the main reason I rarely turn it on when anyone else is in the car.
@@minimaddu Maybe it could be done the way that the system determines the seriousness of the situation and the limits the jerk if there is no real chance for accident. But this also might reduce the data of situtation that Tesla team really needs.
I agree with your statements but I believe FSD-team has a roadmap for fixing these things. They still have lots of big architectural changes to make and those will probably fix these issues. After the major part of the software is upgraded to neural networks they can start focus on more direct problems. I think that will be at the end of second half of 2023 or first half of 2024.
I greatly appreciate your excellent narration. I also like the large area display of the FSD screen. It shows very clearly what the car is planning and how it intends to interact with other traffic.
I wanted to write about adding a summary for all interventions and disengagements, but you've tought of that already.
Happy to see your great videos getting even better with each upload!
If FSD can handle SF, it will handle most other places. Great to see all this testing.
I'm familiar with most of the drives in this video and as the families designated driver, I can attest that most humans would not do well navigating the streets of this drive. I'd go so far as to say it is well beyond the skill level of most drivers and FSD does a terrific and safe job of navigating the mean streets of San Francisco. Amazing progress by the Tesla FSD Team and with the neural network kicking in, it should be orders of magnitude improvement with each new version.
Your videos are the gold standard of FSD videos and my hope is that the neural networks will mean real time updates to FSD without having the issue software releases ... you know, like human learning. This will allow my wife to realize her dream of the electronic chauffeur for her Model 3 and future Tesla vehicles. As for me, only incapacitation will keep me from driving myself. 🙂
Love the fade at the end. Great drive, definitely shows the progress being made.
Looking awesome! ^_^ Love how smooth everything is in this version! :D
Huge improvements! I get recommended your videos about once or twice a year, and every time it improves so much! This is more like it!
The first part of this was your first video ive clicked, and i just want to say wow you are very good at making videos. There's no good time to close the video (in a good way) so im 15 minutes in before i even realize it. I bet your retention rate is crazy. Great stuff
Truly appreciate the kind words, thank you!
You are so good at what you do with high quality video and commentary
Thanks for this, enjoyed part 2. Loved the cable car / semi / funeral procession.
Absolutely amazing. All kudos to you Mr. Driver. And your loyal, sidekick car, brain on wheels. I’ve been watching your videos for years now and each is a new experience.
Growing up is hard to do. But it is happening.!!
If you haven't already: I would love to see a video where you compare some of the first versions of the beta to the new one (like a side by side or something). Might be a fun way to re-use old footage and show how much it's improved - just an idea:)
Great video!
I thought the right-of-way assertiveness in the presence of jay-walking pedestrians was really good... At least in that specific situation. I'd like to see more trials of similar situations to gauge how safe it really is, but what it did here just before 17:00 is pretty much what I would have done.
The zoom out transition from inside cam to outside was incredible !!
Great vidéos as always
I love that you’re doing these videos, so a huge thank you! In watching, I am thinking in terms of the traffic where I live and I know Tesla would be perfect in Green Bay. There is nothing so complicated here except perhaps roundabouts and I think it’ll do fine.
Always interesting and your commentary is fabulous. Thanks again for doing these! You must be having some fun being out and about in your Tesla!
Appreciate your honest assessment AiDriver! I have similar experiences, but tend to disengage more often because I’m not as brave as you.
I was in SF today, and FSD wanted to make a left turn when it was not allowed; so I had to disengage. Wonder if it was a mapping issue.
It’s crazy how much better self driving is getting
Go BILLS: Yes, at least in the areas it gets a lot of training.
It's still wildly inconsistent between various locations, but the cumulative overall progress is VERY impressive.
At least for small areas, it's no longer a question of if, but when it gets good enough (though LOTS of work is needed for things like parking lots and turning around and properly pulling over to drop and pick up, etc.)
And hopefully then smaller areas can expand and merge and become bigger areas. Like Waymo recently expanded its driving area near Tempe, for example. (And Tesla just totally dominates it there now in a head to head comparison on the same ride, given Tesla can use the highways and Waymo can't).
Outside of California, it's straight suicidal
@@NeuroScientician makes it more fun
What a great video. Subscribed.
FSD and your voice kind of align in rhythm, smooth but decisive.
Video quality is great, and so is audio.
Keep it up!
Appreciate it!
If they get this working in San Francisco, getting it to work in Europe will be a breeze. All the stop signs, 4-way intersections and left hand turns are a nightmare, in my city I think I could count those on one hand. Roundabouts and traffic lights make driving so much more straightforward.
12:18 Cool that FSD shows the brake lights on the double-parked car-though ideally it could do so blinking rather than solid to acknowledge its emergency flashers.
Very impressive! I definitely see the advantage of driving in an area with lots of data. Living in a less populated area in AZ, (roads/maneuvers much less complex than SF), I have more disengagements. Looking forward to AI/NN/Data spreading everywhere geographically. Awesome video!
Spectacular video. Glorious editing and annotation. Bravo!
Always great to see your videos man! Cheers from Brazil
Great vid!! I haven’t watched any fsd test drives for a while and the improvements are amazing!! Wow its getting closer!😁
Amazed how well it works in SF. In Virginia on 11.3.6 I still can't get to the gym and there is only 1 left hand turn. FYI, in VA you can cross white lines and even change lanes in an intersection.
Your videos are always great! You're in a great place to show FSD Beta with large number of pedestrians and unusual streets. I appreciate your videos!
Superb video! The content, observations and commentary is really good. Thank you very much!
It's also fun to see the beautiful city too! I live in Oklahoma and every road is "go straight, turn 90 degrees, go straight".
It looks really hard to drive in San Francisco....
Amazing!! Love the quallity of this channel.
It's impressive how the Tesla could see and predict some situations. Two months we can see an amazing improvement, I'm always thinking how the car will be five years later.
Pretty cool to see the progress of FSD in confusing and complicated circumstances. It does seem like the AI likes to be in the middle of the road pretty often. On one of your left turns, it doesn't look like the car left enough space for something turning into the road. Anyway, thanks for sharing these videos!
4:00 the cars were stopped illegally though, you could clearly see the “keep clear” on the street 🤷♂️
Edit:
If you look at the lines painted on the ground the car was actually making the right decision to take the far left lane. But because the cars were blocking the intersection it tried to adapt which resulted in the broken path chosen. It was making the right decision though.
I bought a Model 3 last month and have added the FSD subscription to try it out. I received the beta in the last update. Watching your videos is great to see how it acts in many different situations. Thanks for sharing!
i love how it doesn't block that intersection. better than 90% of humans.
Love these videos and your commentary is so good :)
13:20 I think the high contrast of the tree shadow causes the camera vision system to guess that the road surface is so bad that it shouldn't go straight forward.
When turning right in CA, you must end up in the right lane unless you are in another designated late, in which case, you must end in the designated lane. When turning left, you can end in any safe, legal lane.
That is correct. California Code, Vehicle Code - VEH § 22100
you should count interventions/ disengagements per hour of use in each beta to try and compare them
In Europe there is a general ban on parking closer than 30 ft from the corner of a curb. That reduces the number of parking spots in old towns with short streets, but it really makes life easier driving.
Oh my god. You started the drive at my house and went my exact route to school everyday, even stopping right in front of it.
Nice video thank you,. Are you on aggressive setting on your AP?
16:9 is the most common display type, I really hope you go back to that so I don’t have black bars on my tv anymore
About the crossing scene, I love how the FSD being assertive about its right of way while doing it safely.
Wow!! First time viewer, your video was so well done. Congrats on such a great channel!
Over all, I think it performed very well. Those situations are very tough to deal with. Love your video style with the 360 from behind and the whoosh into the cabin again :-)
Near the end when you were talking about the car stopping at a red light with the turn signal on, there were railroad tracks there. I think it was avoiding stopping on the tracks.
So cool to see what SF looks now after 6 years after my visit there.
Wow, I had no idea Tesla's self-driving had become this good. Incredible to see!
I can’t wait for the next update. I’m on 11.3.6. It is also confident, but not nearly as smooth.
Thank you for doing these drives.
It is impressive, so I headed out to try it here in Canada and it did surprise me especially moving over to the left when passing an 18 wheeler. It does not understand roundabouts as we have lots of them here in Ottawa
Great video, with very useful commentary. Has automated honking been activated in FSD beta, yet? The use of the horn would have been helpful in some instances, like the pedestrians crossing your path when the light was green.
A cool summary could be an animated map of your route with pins of events (disengagements, interventions, etc)
When I watch your videos, as an engineer, I marvel at the system. From detecting objects, signs, to deciphering human behaviour, to control of the car. It’s bewildering how what it’s doing is possible.
But I also see how far we are. For this to work fully properly, it needs to understand human gestures for example.
Such a well made video and FSD is really something now days. Hats off to Tesla team and your channel. Thank you
thank you for this long and detailed real world example of where the software is currently at.
good video! I think its amazing to see what it can do, especially looking at where it first started...
The wide aspect ratio is fantastic btw.! could be even wider, but thats because i am spoiled with a 21:9 pc screen
Love the "...bye." at the end. Not awkward at all.
Awesome commentary and picking the most 'troublesome' venues to test real life situations. I'm looking forward to my 14.1 release, hopefully soon. I just drove back from Lake Tahoe to Los Gatos, CA using FSD 13.6.8 about 97% of the driving time with only a handful of interventions, non critical!
It looks like the rollout of 11.4.1 has about stopped, with only about 5% of eligible cars getting it. You'll probably have to wait for 11.4.2.
Another excellent video! Impressed with new FSD update and always impressed with your videos.
when it moved up into the intersection where it had previously left a gap for turning vehicles, it actually WAS the right move. It saw that traffic ahead had started moving. That combined with no cars on the opposite side of the road made it a great move
Out of all the places I have lived and driven in, certainly San Francisco/East Bay was the most stressful -- far and away. I think this video really demonstrates just how many circumstances and edge cases AP is already become competent at handling.
Idea: Summaries like this 0:19 are awesome. It would be enhanced to know the general drive time and or mileage of driving that went with that tally. It may be a useful metric for understanding long-term trends and improvements in the sytem.
Just a little suggestion; it'd be neat to see disengagements in the past 6 months or so in one video, with the version for each visible in the video and you explaining why, just to see how far the bad bits have come. A lot of disengagements are due to AP just being awkward, but it's not super clear how many actual mistakes it makes and how much it has improved in that regard
really loved this! FSD is getting WAY better, so smooth at times
Nice video. I have an LR-3 and haven't tried the FSD... I am tempted to try the acceleration boost first.
I really enjoyed watching that (2 part) video 😊
Here are some of my thoughts:
- If you add a summary, it would be nice to break the disengagements etc. down to driving time and/or driven km (miles if you must 😉 ) e.g.: 1.7 disengagements/hour or so.
That would help to compare the different autopilot versions.
- I think you do a great job of estimating the risk of a driving situation and giving the AI enough room but disengage if necessary - appreciate all the awkwardness you have to go to at times! ;)
- As a (sadly) not tesla driver it took me some time to figure out what the white messeges showing the AI intentions are
- Your visualisation with all the details you put in is incredible and hepls unterstanding whats going on.
Also your very well timed narrative explaining a situation is super interesting and gives insight of what's going on!
Looking forward to thr next video, thanks 😊
I love the video. I just subscribed. I do wish the software version was listed in the notes clearly for easy future reference.
The creep function is awesome, it's very telling to peds as to how much this car will wait.
7:40 I liked the way it went over multiple lanes. Here in Finland, the traffic rules specifically allow this kind of move *if* the lane changes to do it otherwise would be very fast because in that case, going directly to the intented line reduces risk of accident. However, the rules also say that the driver doing this manouver must yield to all traffic so you have to be careful with that action.
Adding something about distance driven with battery usage would be good for the summary at the end that you mentioned to add at the end of the video. Gives you an idea how the range is and how the disengagements are vs distance in a different video.
HEY, YOU INCLUDED MY IDEA, this made my day
@5:25 youd be right it shouldnt be creeping up but you answered why it was seconds later; it was planning a path down the way and realized cars were beginning to move forward
Great video as always, love your commentary, very sensible and descriptive all the time. Just FYI, anyways is not a word but anyway is!
I am not a Tesla owner and don't plan on buying one anytime soon, but I can't deny that autopilot has come a long way from FSD V8.
Keep up the excellent work.
Oh, for the lane change, at 7:30, while making a turn, I generally do the same. If there is no oncoming traffic, I switch to the most left lane I need or going to change to eventually. Usually, if I am at a red light and change to green, with no other vehicle on the left-hand side coming, I sure turn to the left lane. That is if there is no vehicle turning in that same direction. I am in NY.
In Queensland, Australia, We turn into the lane we want unless it's a multi lane turn or otherwise marked.