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  • @david1116
    @david1116 Před rokem +4557

    hopefully the televised trial gives us a bar on the left showing who currently has the advantage

    • @apocalypseap
      @apocalypseap Před rokem +109

      Too many variables for a true assessment lmao but it would still be funny if it was human-controlled

    • @OrjanB
      @OrjanB Před rokem +80

      🤣🤣🤣 Best comment ever!

    • @twentyrothmans7308
      @twentyrothmans7308 Před rokem +10

      Well played, sir!

    • @Leonjrxx
      @Leonjrxx Před rokem +123

      Hopefully the stream is delayed 15 minutes to prevent cheating

    • @LENGTHEATER
      @LENGTHEATER Před rokem +33

      congrats. Your comment has given you a winning advantage.

  • @NicoSleepyLeen
    @NicoSleepyLeen Před rokem +3519

    After wasting several weeks on the clock, Hans finally moves his lawyer and it was in this position that we have a lot of CZcams content

  • @antonioalexandercastro3520
    @antonioalexandercastro3520 Před rokem +983

    "Congratulations to those of you who found the correct lawsuit" -- agadmator

    • @perfectekine8742
      @perfectekine8742 Před rokem +16

      This must certainly be B4, and I think that this is a new move in the possession by Hans which will definitely leads to all sorts of nasty discoveries and Magnus Nakamura of all players should have consider B4 in the possession, well for me this is instant resigns because we are talking about 400 million dollars, this is an immortal zugswang

    • @guptayush179
      @guptayush179 Před rokem +8

      And for those who just want to enjoy the show, go to Depp vs Heard. This ones not that interesting.

    • @sepandghanouni2271
      @sepandghanouni2271 Před rokem +4

      If you want to pause and find the winning lawsuit for Magnus you can do this now

    • @Peleski
      @Peleski Před rokem

      Correct should be "correct"

    • @fep_ptcp883
      @fep_ptcp883 Před rokem +5

      And as of page 1 we already have a completely new lawsuit

  • @renoesmaeilian9489
    @renoesmaeilian9489 Před rokem +400

    “My lawsuit speaks for itself...” it is at this moment that we have a completely new game.

    • @tomatoisnotafruit5670
      @tomatoisnotafruit5670 Před rokem +5

      Yes it does is what the judge will say as he tosses it in the trash.

    • @thisoneguy3935
      @thisoneguy3935 Před rokem +1

      ​@@tomatoisnotafruit5670 you're clearly not very estute.

    • @johanseinen8245
      @johanseinen8245 Před rokem

      I suspect that he could have hired a very good Taylor....

    • @godfreyofbouillon966
      @godfreyofbouillon966 Před rokem

      The comments are like 50 % of why I love this channel

    • @lukas081559
      @lukas081559 Před rokem

      I would go as far to call it a blunder

  • @someguyslastname8487
    @someguyslastname8487 Před rokem +1879

    And it is in this position that we have a completely...new..case

  • @ultrainstinctshaggy669
    @ultrainstinctshaggy669 Před rokem +835

    Hans redefining chess openings by introducing a new one: The District Court Defense, Niemann Variation

    • @Nobody-uv3hv
      @Nobody-uv3hv Před rokem +4

      😂 😂

    • @ElaraNightsky
      @ElaraNightsky Před rokem +2

      boss opening🔥🔥 Hans might have just won $400mm beating Magnus in one game, making it the most important game of the century.

    • @Archive385
      @Archive385 Před rokem +1

      It's an attack not a defense. Magnus and co. are the defendants...

    • @perfectekine8742
      @perfectekine8742 Před rokem

      This must be a strong opening, stronger than the Evans gambit the English and the reti

    • @anon_148
      @anon_148 Před rokem

      @@Archive385 Magnus and co started it with the "Allegation attack", unfortunately it being uncharted territory they didn't know about the powerful "District Court" defense. I doubt players in the future will ever use that opening so carelessly.

  • @theF1oracle
    @theF1oracle Před rokem +598

    Hans opening with the 'American defence', take everyone to court 😂

    • @x_ultra6628
      @x_ultra6628 Před rokem +2

      lol

    • @arewealone9969
      @arewealone9969 Před rokem +2

      Lmao!!!

    • @jacksonwilloughby7625
      @jacksonwilloughby7625 Před rokem +20

      American defense is flipping the board and shooting the opponent 84 times.

    • @jeffdredd1172
      @jeffdredd1172 Před rokem +1

      @@er4din903 It can't really be separate from the cheating though. If he cheated over the board then he has no case.

    • @polarbread
      @polarbread Před rokem +7

      @@er4din903 he cheated, it's his own fault not whoever pointed it out

  • @slicezach
    @slicezach Před rokem +64

    "And as of this move, we have reached a completely new game."

  • @StoicPrince1674
    @StoicPrince1674 Před rokem +1868

    Imagine Agadmator being asked to present chess games in the court.
    "Hello Everyone"
    "Sorry about that"
    "Please pause the trial and try to find the best move in the position. I'll give you a few seconds"
    "And it was in this position..."

    • @colinthompson3111
      @colinthompson3111 Před rokem +2

      😆!!

    • @solaris70
      @solaris70 Před rokem +13

      Thank You this Made me Happy and cheers me up today
      🔸💥🔥⚡💫☀️🧡💛🧡⚡⚡💯‼️💯‼️

    • @forgoodnessache5399
      @forgoodnessache5399 Před rokem +19

      "So, yeah…" 😉

    • @flytoheights1
      @flytoheights1 Před rokem +53

      "If you are here to just enjoy the show, then the move is ..."

    • @antarath517
      @antarath517 Před rokem +47

      Now I'll go through the "Objection!" line because it's beautiful, but this is not what Hans played in the courtroom.

  • @argjend90able
    @argjend90able Před rokem +1193

    Imagine agadmator reviewing the trial.
    “And it was in this moment, they agreed for a draw”

    • @erickent3557
      @erickent3557 Před rokem +3

      Or by asking the same question and getting the same answer a few times in a row?? Forgive me, I'm new to chess!

    • @upsidedown9823
      @upsidedown9823 Před rokem

      Funny 😁

    • @camilohiche4475
      @camilohiche4475 Před rokem +27

      ... as there is nothing more to be done here.

    • @John_II
      @John_II Před rokem

      Well played, sir. :)

    • @jesseshaw2033
      @jesseshaw2033 Před rokem

      This was rather funny

  • @gheffz
    @gheffz Před rokem +110

    Love your opening... "Hans Niemann has decided to sue everyone"... it's pretty accurate!

  • @ginntonic19
    @ginntonic19 Před rokem +93

    Hikaru: "I am not a data scientist"
    Agadmator: "I am not a lawyer"
    The one good thing about this drama is it's clarifying what chess content creators are not xD

  • @fernandovargasmejia740
    @fernandovargasmejia740 Před rokem +2762

    Things haven't been this spicy in the chess world since Bobby Fischer

  • @excuseyou1526
    @excuseyou1526 Před rokem +454

    I bet there's going to be all sorts of nasty discoveries during the trial

  • @kajomelimaelvitrev
    @kajomelimaelvitrev Před rokem +443

    It’s about time. Now we see a true chess game.

  • @nalgene247
    @nalgene247 Před rokem +172

    All I got from this is that I'm calling him Sven Carlsen from now on.

    • @RemyWillard
      @RemyWillard Před rokem +1

      "If herring, elk, or anyone named Sven figures in this, I don't wanna hear it." - Bea Arthur
      Sorry. Couldn't resist. That's where my mind went upon hearing Sven. 😆

    • @hejdingamleraev
      @hejdingamleraev Před rokem +12

      I will be calling him S & M Carlsen

    • @Barbutt
      @Barbutt Před rokem

      Particularly funny and memorable to me as well. A friend and I found an old movie popcorn bag in the 80’s. Some horror movie thing.
      A vintage horror image and the text reading, “Son of Sven! Rated V for Violence!”

    • @abhishekjain3148
      @abhishekjain3148 Před rokem

      @@hejdingamleraev underrated. please make this a separate comment. As an advocate of both S&M, I feel that more people need to hear this.

  • @MikeRBurch
    @MikeRBurch Před rokem +746

    “Hans Niemann has decided to sue everyone.” - Agadmator produces one of chess’s all-time great openings
    Not to be outdone, the Niemann Gambit demands a million dollars for every time Hans has been caught cheating!
    “Hans will attempt the rare and difficult 'en pissant' move to win his case.” - Court Reporter

    • @kevinalonzo1676
      @kevinalonzo1676 Před rokem +5

      literally laughed out loud at this lmao

    • @MikeRBurch
      @MikeRBurch Před rokem +3

      @@kevinalonzo1676 I'm glad I made you laugh. We need foxhole humor at times like these.

    • @amitrhyan4115
      @amitrhyan4115 Před rokem +1

      @@kevinalonzo1676 same😅😅

    • @karimmoorad4128
      @karimmoorad4128 Před rokem +5

      Only Agad can say this and it sounds funny

    • @MikeRBurch
      @MikeRBurch Před rokem +1

      @@karimmoorad4128 Yes, he has the perfect deadpan.

  • @Zio_xm
    @Zio_xm Před rokem +617

    "HELLOW everyone... Hans Niemann has decided to sue everyone"
    Best greeting up to date 😂 😂!

    • @black350Z
      @black350Z Před rokem +12

      I busted out laughing when he said that.

    • @triathlontimmy
      @triathlontimmy Před rokem +2

      I'm getting sued too? Better call Saul!

    • @xIKeepaIx
      @xIKeepaIx Před rokem +1

      I almost thought I will get sued now.

    • @h_rd_g
      @h_rd_g Před rokem +1

      @@triathlontimmy i think hes just about suing everyone with an opinion right. Probably wants to sue millions of people. This niemann guy is crazy

  • @greatpretender83
    @greatpretender83 Před rokem +8

    Thank you for your take and reading the important topics without comments, many other chess channels were giving their opinions on legal matters they don't understand, or even rambling with emotions as trying and failing to read the document properly.

  • @chrisborecki2674
    @chrisborecki2674 Před rokem +315

    Hans trying to achieve the American dream. A successful lawsuit

    • @naimas8120
      @naimas8120 Před rokem +13

      Lmfao. Ain't an American until you sue someone 🤣

    • @jx14aby
      @jx14aby Před rokem +8

      Magnus has it coming. It was foolish to make the statements he made. He begged Hans to sue him. Magnus better get out his checkbook.

    • @chrisborecki2674
      @chrisborecki2674 Před rokem +17

      @@jx14aby Magnus will checkmate Hans in court

    • @rogansayson
      @rogansayson Před rokem +4

      @@chrisborecki2674 Not going to happen unless Magnus has strong evidence on his claim against him.

    • @user-vb3vf3sq2e
      @user-vb3vf3sq2e Před rokem +2

      It's gonna be easy. All these people defaming him with unproven allegations. I'm with him.

  • @yonosenada1773
    @yonosenada1773 Před rokem +399

    'More importantly, Hans demands that Hikaru reveals what's a "juicer".'

    • @SjS_blue
      @SjS_blue Před rokem +8

      a juicer can be someone who uses performance enhancing drug (like the fictional beth harmon i guess ?) , or someone who squeezes their own orange juice

    • @TheWaxlemon
      @TheWaxlemon Před rokem +35

      @@SjS_blue or a pawn on b7. always a tasty juicer

    • @louiekilleen8631
      @louiekilleen8631 Před rokem +3

      @@TheWaxlemon never take the poison b pawn

    • @Relbl
      @Relbl Před rokem +4

      not sure, but probably not a data analyst

    • @chapasproject
      @chapasproject Před rokem +1

      its the fruit leftovers that he will eat from a dumpster after he gonna own hans over 100 mil.

  • @obscurity3027
    @obscurity3027 Před rokem +537

    I just need to say that Antonio can speak English and pronounce words he’s never read before better than most Americans. Really well done, Agad…big props.

    • @christaylor6890
      @christaylor6890 Před rokem +11

      Yes although his pronunciation of Utah had me chuckling

    • @sportsjefe
      @sportsjefe Před rokem +3

      Yes, I only heard 3 or 4 errors in there. Well done.

    • @johnsmith1474
      @johnsmith1474 Před rokem +4

      Most that you know, perhaps.

    • @bhough410
      @bhough410 Před rokem +1

      @@christaylor6890 Youta : )

    • @nestorv7627
      @nestorv7627 Před rokem

      I was also impressed by that!

  • @kushalvora7682
    @kushalvora7682 Před rokem +95

    Finally we will get to see magnus and hikaru together take on an engine.

    • @mardenhill
      @mardenhill Před rokem

      both of them are just engine operators. niemann is challenging the two serial cheaters. finally!

  • @subipan4593
    @subipan4593 Před rokem +96

    Magnus opens with "Allegation Gambit"
    Neimann defends wtih "District Court Defence"

  • @WiesoNurMistnamen
    @WiesoNurMistnamen Před rokem +829

    *Judge:* Mr. Lawyer please explain your client's view on that matter
    *Lawyer:* Hans speaks for himself
    *Hans:* The matter speaks for itself

    • @rittzbyitch3682
      @rittzbyitch3682 Před rokem +20

      That's pure gold... since after all that... the evidence would then speaks for itself.

    • @villangamingyt7731
      @villangamingyt7731 Před rokem +25

      Lawyers discussing about chess opening, variations and top engine move

    • @ianallen738
      @ianallen738 Před rokem

      The proven history of extensive cheating speaks for itself.

    • @drziggyabdelmalak1439
      @drziggyabdelmalak1439 Před rokem

      J: Mr Carlsen please explain what proof you have that Hans cheated
      C: I have none. It speaks for itself.
      Bloody twat!

    • @perfectekine8742
      @perfectekine8742 Před rokem +5

      At least now lawyers will see that they're not the most learned when they hear d4 Nf6 c4 d5 Nc3 e6 etc...;-))))

  • @MrAamog
    @MrAamog Před rokem +300

    “Our friends at the bar and the library” has now a completely new meaning

  • @FarnoodFarmand
    @FarnoodFarmand Před rokem +24

    Thanks for being the true voice of chess events and news.

  • @shahidfarooq8568
    @shahidfarooq8568 Před rokem +73

    And after this move we have a completely new game

  • @coloopereyraa
    @coloopereyraa Před rokem +309

    Knowing Magnus he is going to trial several years and try to take this one in the endgame

  • @MrObsidiaan
    @MrObsidiaan Před rokem +314

    20:59 "... quite a lot of millions in there...." Agadmator always find a way to make a dry, correct statement which is also hilarious

    • @mb9ether
      @mb9ether Před rokem +3

      thinking exactly the same thing....I love this channel

    • @jestice75
      @jestice75 Před rokem

      It's pretty silly. The net present of all future cash flows for a chess player well outside of the top 10 wouldn't even be $5 million.

    • @JohnKuhles1966
      @JohnKuhles1966 Před rokem +1

      which is his trademark

    • @pabl048
      @pabl048 Před rokem +3

      I literally had to pause after the first sentence because I was rolling. "...Neimann has decided to sue, everyone." LMAO

    • @timjacob991
      @timjacob991 Před rokem

      Lol

  • @tehpsalmist
    @tehpsalmist Před rokem +300

    "My lawsuit speaks for itself" had me in tears. xD

    • @drziggyabdelmalak1439
      @drziggyabdelmalak1439 Před rokem +8

      Why? What exactly is carlsen offering as proof? Hans has no burden of proof on him!!!

    • @s0tiroff
      @s0tiroff Před rokem +6

      @@drziggyabdelmalak1439 L

    • @varadthube4851
      @varadthube4851 Před rokem +3

      @@drziggyabdelmalak1439 He has burden of huge L ....

    • @zekeriasvarg530
      @zekeriasvarg530 Před rokem

      @@drziggyabdelmalak1439 Nieman vill crash Carlsen in court if Carlsen have said officially that neeman have cheated. As its proofen that Nieman have not! The court does not care about anything else. Its a easy case.

    • @chris5918
      @chris5918 Před rokem +6

      @@drziggyabdelmalak1439
      Actually Hans now needs to proof that he didnt cheat.

  • @spareaccounts5168
    @spareaccounts5168 Před rokem +1

    funny that the commercial for this video on youtube is an ad for Magnus's online academy.

  • @jiffpop5143
    @jiffpop5143 Před rokem +691

    I can't wait to see hikaru on the stand lol, this is gonna turn chess into a reality tv show

    • @thegreatbambino3358
      @thegreatbambino3358 Před rokem +56

      This won't survive a motion to dismiss. Hikaru should also file an anti-SLAPP motion as well which may have a fee shifting provision. I'd bet Hans just stepped in it.

    • @kousakasan7882
      @kousakasan7882 Před rokem +6

      Hikaru crying? Hopefully he will gets his act together before then.

    • @JB_inks
      @JB_inks Před rokem +27

      Nakamura literally doesn't care

    • @RogueCylon
      @RogueCylon Před rokem +54

      This is a terrible move on Hans side, and one he will retreat. Hikaru reported the situation and provided some GM perspective. The lawsuit is baseless, but now drags a CZcams commentator into court for reporting on Chess news. Bad move indeed.

    • @Marenqo
      @Marenqo Před rokem

      Lol

  • @vipulgupta
    @vipulgupta Před rokem +306

    Hans tries Captures, Captures, Captures to enter a completely new position in Chess history.
    And we have finally entered the middle game.

    • @nft3
      @nft3 Před rokem +9

      Magpus Quittsen will now become the best friends with Hikaru Insinuaru.

    • @xaiano794
      @xaiano794 Před rokem +3

      Hans is a cheater that is destroying the chess world

    • @nft3
      @nft3 Před rokem +5

      @@xaiano794 And you're a cheater on your wife.

    • @xaiano794
      @xaiano794 Před rokem

      @@nft3 lol pathetic little fanboys lying on his behalf. You must be so insecure if you are looking for approval this badly.
      He cheated, it's proven, dozens of times in serious games

    • @nft3
      @nft3 Před rokem +3

      @@xaiano794 cheated on your wife again or what? Online games are serious games? lol. what have you done online as a teenager if you're cheating on your wife now IRL?

  • @coryhames9331
    @coryhames9331 Před rokem +11

    It was at this moment that we had a completely new game.

  • @stevenkurniawan6521
    @stevenkurniawan6521 Před rokem +430

    Judge:So Mr Hans please explain your problem
    Hans:There is no need to explain, chess speak for itself
    Judge:????

    • @lushikuderh3721
      @lushikuderh3721 Před rokem +1

      😂🎉😅😊

    • @john-johnmendoza1191
      @john-johnmendoza1191 Před rokem +1

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @NiakoChan
      @NiakoChan Před rokem +13

      The law suit speaks for itsself. With all due respect, can't you read... your honor sir. 😂

    • @chessnord7934
      @chessnord7934 Před rokem +3

      Judge: Case dismissal speaks for itself.

    • @leoroyo2031
      @leoroyo2031 Před rokem +3

      Carlson is a bad guy, he is unsportsmanlike and has no respect for young promising player like Niemann.

  • @giggitygoo5623
    @giggitygoo5623 Před rokem +63

    Season 3 of this show ended in such a suspense. Can't wait for season 4

  • @Brashnir
    @Brashnir Před rokem +7

    And it was in this position that Hans lawyered up.

  • @alacritical7873
    @alacritical7873 Před rokem +108

    ah, yes, the Litigant's Gambit. perhaps not the most sound of moves, but just like the Evans Gambit, it's always exciting

  • @goldjellyfish2452
    @goldjellyfish2452 Před rokem +432

    2 months later,... and it was in this position that Hans Nieman dropped the lawsuit as there is nothing more to be done here...

    • @darkludge
      @darkludge Před rokem +8

      Golden 😂

    • @peruanopr1
      @peruanopr1 Před rokem +38

      Not a fan of him but he’s gonna win this lawsuit easily.

    • @konoveldorada5990
      @konoveldorada5990 Před rokem +37

      *Find the best point made by Carlsen while I give you a couple of seconds.*

    • @larrythecableman6963
      @larrythecableman6963 Před rokem

      @@peruanopr1 you know nothing about the law Hans simp

    • @UmarAli-zc8xs
      @UmarAli-zc8xs Před rokem +8

      If he drops the lawsuit then it would be career ending for him, instead he has to create a staged drama like Jussie Smollet "guys the CIA and Mossad forced me to take down the lawsuit because I was gonna shake the establishment"

  • @subhisarmili8140
    @subhisarmili8140 Před rokem +1

    it is now as of move one. we have a completely new game let's see how has magnus prepared for this opening!

  • @pauldacus4590
    @pauldacus4590 Před rokem +5

    If the damages include Niemann getting more 1,000,000X media coverage than he ever would have gotten without Magnus, then he has indeed been "damaged".

  • @rolandoflores7711
    @rolandoflores7711 Před rokem +188

    Soon we’re gonna get some “nice photos” not by a chess board but in a court room 😭

    • @mariomiceli9663
      @mariomiceli9663 Před rokem +1

      Let's hope it's televised

    • @victorfinberg8595
      @victorfinberg8595 Před rokem +1

      the court will be a bunch of experts discussing chess positions and deciding whether humans are playing

    • @Ceeewolf
      @Ceeewolf Před rokem +1

      Cameras are not allowed in Federal Courts.
      ... and if you touch your opponent's King, you get forked.

    • @djo-dji6018
      @djo-dji6018 Před rokem

      Maybe not.

  • @bboyhoyack
    @bboyhoyack Před rokem +479

    Chances for this getting to an actual court are pretty slim, but damnit it would be funny if it does and somebody mentions the anal beads theory.

    • @PRR-xx2hp
      @PRR-xx2hp Před rokem +12

      That's a Musky area.

    • @billypappas6811
      @billypappas6811 Před rokem

      This is 100% going to court and he's going to win unless anyone can provide definitive proof that few was cheating which it doesn't seem like they can provide anything.

    • @apocalypseap
      @apocalypseap Před rokem +3

      @@sd67b Nah. This suit will go the same way Amber Heard's did, except it'll be the plaintiff losing.

    • @rattusgrenadus8291
      @rattusgrenadus8291 Před rokem +1

      @@sd67b what do you define defamation as

    • @rattusgrenadus8291
      @rattusgrenadus8291 Před rokem +10

      @@benjamininkorea7016 lot of focus on the idea that hans was a minor, which has virtually nothing to do with defamation torts

  • @dwhamm0
    @dwhamm0 Před rokem +3

    "You must take your opponent into a deep, dark forest where 2+2=5 and the path leading out is only wide enough for one." -Mikhail Tal
    Now that I think about it, that does sound like a courtroom...

  • @Illidandavid
    @Illidandavid Před rokem +3

    The key moment of the video was when agadmator said: "When I first saw it I thought it was a joke"
    If you just take into account what's written in that lawsuit, it already contradicts itself.
    e.g.: Carlsen got pissed at Hans beating him in the Sinquefield cup -> resorts to slander after being taunted afterwards
    later: It was maliciously calculated (i.e. premeditated) by Carlsen
    Claiming that it was both impulsive and premeditated usually leads to believe that whoever wrote this lawsuit just tried gluing together some puzzle pieces hoping it would fit.

  • @dash_r_media
    @dash_r_media Před rokem +110

    This is what I have been stockpiling all that popcorn for

  • @kaldrazadrim
    @kaldrazadrim Před rokem +113

    Antonio has a very nice reading voice, and his english is excellent! Thanks agad!

  • @FYAHWEHL
    @FYAHWEHL Před rokem +4

    Alternative title: *Hans Niemann starts the game with “Lawsuit” to “E4”*

  • @trmittal24
    @trmittal24 Před rokem +2

    This position has been reached a few times before
    But here Niemann surprised everyone by proving he has no beads and Magnus was out of the book
    We have a completely new game and it's exciting to see what Magnus plays next

  • @Huckleberry2
    @Huckleberry2 Před rokem +95

    I really hope Agadmator gives us a proper break down of the trial with all the usual moments highlighted including a 'pause the video' and 'it was in this position'.

    • @jestice75
      @jestice75 Před rokem +7

      I hope they subpoena Agadmator to testify.

    • @Smoove_J
      @Smoove_J Před rokem +3

      They’ll almost certainly settle. You can’t make these accusations without solid proof.

    • @jestice75
      @jestice75 Před rokem +2

      @@Smoove_J I do believe they'll pay out a couple million.

  • @anonymousstout4759
    @anonymousstout4759 Před rokem +253

    The writers really worked themselves this season

    • @Ceu.Noturno
      @Ceu.Noturno Před rokem +17

      The writers speak for themselves

    • @LucianDevine
      @LucianDevine Před rokem +3

      Some credit has to be given to the actors too. It takes real skill and dedication to portray such raw emotion!

    • @flavoredwallpaper
      @flavoredwallpaper Před rokem

      Eh. Looks like it's going to be a long, drawn-out "dramatic trial" season. I think they jumped the shark.

  • @jewelrybag4557
    @jewelrybag4557 Před rokem +6

    The cheating allegations with "hidden beads" gives new meaning to agdamator's reference of "all kinds of nasty discoveries."

  • @a.m.armstrong8354
    @a.m.armstrong8354 Před rokem +2

    Hans Niemann is now challenging for the Chess World Championship..in the courtroom. Thus life mimics art.

  • @shivamganju9346
    @shivamganju9346 Před rokem +337

    wow didn't think it would escalate to this level and even Hikaru Nakamura would get tangled in this.

    • @shivamganju9346
      @shivamganju9346 Před rokem +1

      also I was wondering if this sort incident has happened before in chess community? if not then I think this case might results in new protocols against cheating. this will have huge impact on chess community, good or bad. I don't know. But this is big.

    • @jestice75
      @jestice75 Před rokem +37

      It was obviously go to escalate to this level, but I am surprised Hikaru was tangled just for commenting on it.

    • @UmarAli-zc8xs
      @UmarAli-zc8xs Před rokem

      Magnus has substantial evidence against Hans with his lawyers, Magnus knew 100% that Hans would sue him if he published that statement on twitter and knowing this Magnus still proceeded to post it, so it's only logical to think that Magnus is holding on to substantial evidence so that he can nail Hans once and for all infront of the entire world like how Depp nailed Amber Heard, the Chess world needs proof "beyond a reasonable doubt" that Hans is a cheater, what more proof can you ask for if Magnus can defeat Hans in a court of law? That will once and for all clear Magnus' name infront of the chess world

    • @jestice75
      @jestice75 Před rokem +4

      Why not Chessbrahs too.

    • @jackfiercetree5205
      @jackfiercetree5205 Před rokem +34

      Literally, you guys, he doesn't even Care.

  • @journees4300
    @journees4300 Před rokem +91

    I am expecting many nasty discoveries. Chess is moving fast on the board, online, now in court.

  • @timjones147
    @timjones147 Před rokem +5

    Well under cross-examination they will ask him if he’s ever cheated

  • @bhgtree
    @bhgtree Před rokem +2

    Thanks agadmator for reading it, (having to read lawyerish would put me in zugzwang and give me a headache en passant. 😀)

  • @vaibhavsomani14
    @vaibhavsomani14 Před rokem +206

    I love how the robot is showing that it is a classical match

    • @kaschbervomdienst9467
      @kaschbervomdienst9467 Před rokem +15

      Or that it's a "case". New chess playing mode. Just take your opponent to court.

    • @mr.s6661
      @mr.s6661 Před rokem

      @@kaschbervomdienst9467 lol

    • @dark_magician_sdy
      @dark_magician_sdy Před rokem

      @Kaschber Vom Dienst 🤣😂

    • @Mantose262
      @Mantose262 Před rokem

      I was thinking C for "casual chat."

    • @antonsworldofvideos8096
      @antonsworldofvideos8096 Před rokem

      Yes get Nick Rekeita to take a look. Although this is not his area of law he would have some good thoughts about it.

  • @mb6412
    @mb6412 Před rokem

    This should get quite interesting. If there will be no further material, it is the question if signs of evidence will be enough to be rated as „proof“

  • @kissadam9494
    @kissadam9494 Před rokem +1

    Agadmator making content about the trials: and it was in this position that the judge stood up to return the verdict.

  • @andreww.9342
    @andreww.9342 Před rokem +192

    Everybody about to become a lawyer lmao

    • @bekiraltindal9053
      @bekiraltindal9053 Před rokem +12

      Social media in a nutshell lol

    • @pamelajessup7931
      @pamelajessup7931 Před rokem +8

      Dang, and I just finished training as an immunologist and general.

    • @thetechconsultant
      @thetechconsultant Před rokem +1

      Yea I’m starting to notice lol

    • @thefighterinhades
      @thefighterinhades Před rokem

      It doesn't take a lawyer to read the lawsuit. It's just a document stating the timelines and facts as it is.

    • @KingDavi1998
      @KingDavi1998 Před rokem

      @@pamelajessup7931 A what👁️👁️

  • @lucabrasi49
    @lucabrasi49 Před rokem +76

    “He’s decided to sue everyone” well that escalated quickly

    • @Berek71182
      @Berek71182 Před rokem

      It may hurt US-players like Rensch and Nakamura, but Magnus is EU Citizen -> don't care about bogus US Laws.

  • @clobbopus_used_beat
    @clobbopus_used_beat Před rokem

    Great breakdown thank you!

  • @jeffmccloud6999
    @jeffmccloud6999 Před rokem +69

    Tony, I can’t express how much I appreciate your unbiased and factual approach to this situation. Excellent work!

    • @Armine771
      @Armine771 Před rokem +3

      To be fair, there is no approach yet.
      Because I came to get to know his approach and only got 30min of reading a law suit.
      Which is fine, but it's just no approach.

    • @jx14aby
      @jx14aby Před rokem

      @@Armine771
      That's the good part! He's not taking sides. He's reporting facts, which is rare these days.

  • @codyclick190
    @codyclick190 Před rokem +76

    The best chess channel on CZcams. Thanks for the professional takes Antonio, keep up the good work.

  • @kgohlopocorp191
    @kgohlopocorp191 Před rokem +282

    Agad should host a lawyer and discuss it.

  • @pyrysaarinen4954
    @pyrysaarinen4954 Před rokem +1

    I love the way that law text is trying to paint Magnus as some kind of evil anime villain :D

  • @deafrock1580
    @deafrock1580 Před rokem

    and it was at this position that agadmator switched to a reporter variation of a youruber and at this point we have a completely new game

  • @akmd114379
    @akmd114379 Před rokem +113

    Agad is smart for not getting involved in this.

    • @Cobalt180Darts
      @Cobalt180Darts Před rokem +13

      Indeed; Agad demonstrating a core difference between journalism and tabloidism.
      Journalism reporting that which is seen and unfolding; Tabloidism reports from the point of view a priori of a chosen side.
      Will be quite interesting to witness how this trial progresses...

    • @nesrop171
      @nesrop171 Před rokem +1

      Its just not his style he doesnt go for the lolz

    • @haresovbadarov1342
      @haresovbadarov1342 Před rokem +2

      He can’t he is not a grand master.

    • @ekklesiast
      @ekklesiast Před rokem +2

      It doesn't takes smart to not throw around wild accusations with zero evidence. It's just common sense. Hikaru on the other hand values loyalty over objectivity. And Magnus is just impulsive and childish.

    • @akmd114379
      @akmd114379 Před rokem

      @@ekklesiast he more than likely did cheat, we just don't know exactly how

  • @TheMartinProject
    @TheMartinProject Před rokem +104

    This is hans immortal game 😂

  • @j2kun
    @j2kun Před rokem +16

    And it was in this position that Niemann decided to sue everybody.

  • @ghnbtrcv8672
    @ghnbtrcv8672 Před rokem +4

    The thumbnail is great, the like speaks for itself

  • @Mokinono45
    @Mokinono45 Před rokem +89

    It was after this moment that Niemann started an entire new series of youtube content.

  • @reallifeistoflat
    @reallifeistoflat Před rokem +189

    defamation cases need to prove both intent to commit malicious harm and knowledge that what they said was false. It seems very unlikely that Hans can make anything stick here.

    • @Bogieking78
      @Bogieking78 Před rokem +29

      I agree-the burden of proof is on Hans and it'll be tough to do so. Plus, who can afford the better lawyers-Magnus or Hans?

    • @pythontron8710
      @pythontron8710 Před rokem

      And here come the CZcams comments lawyers. You don’t even have a clue what he has- you didn’t even read the filing. Stfu with your bs

    • @addounsamiyoucef1999
      @addounsamiyoucef1999 Před rokem +8

      He can do both actually especially the 2nd one

    • @UmarAli-zc8xs
      @UmarAli-zc8xs Před rokem +18

      @@Bogieking78 nowadays defamation lawyers don't charge any fees, they instead charge a share of the lawsuit winning amount if their client wins. So Hans doesn't really have to pay anything to his lawyers if he loses, instead he has to pay like 10-20% I think if he wins. Some even charge 40%

    • @sciencefaction2646
      @sciencefaction2646 Před rokem +40

      Magnus has worded his statements very carefully. This lawsuit will not do anything.

  • @denverfletcher9419
    @denverfletcher9419 Před rokem +3

    You cannot defame a self-admitted cheater by calling him a cheater.

    • @bobbyjoeyoung2becausesteph194
      @bobbyjoeyoung2becausesteph194 Před rokem

      You can if the cheating happened as a kid and nothing hans did as a kid is admissible in court of law and all transgressions as a kid are expunged meaning all of magnus's so called evidence is hearsay and hans will win based upon slander and defamatory remarks thats stem from something he did as a kid and magnus has no proof hans cheated over the board so i doubt magnus wins

    • @tomatoisnotafruit5670
      @tomatoisnotafruit5670 Před rokem +1

      @@bobbyjoeyoung2becausesteph194 there is evidence of Hans cheating in the past 2 years, and Hans just sued the people who have that evidence hahaha, so good luck to Hans

  • @gargantuan4696
    @gargantuan4696 Před rokem +17

    In the court room, Hans only moves in diagonals

  • @esmordt
    @esmordt Před rokem +160

    Sevian is now terrified, he's the next one... He shouldn't have chopped Hans' king's head 😂😂😂

    • @benjamininkorea7016
      @benjamininkorea7016 Před rokem +19

      I'd say that's assault. He literally ripped off the top of Hans' king and asked him if he wanted to go outside. Sam is like 3x bigger than Hans.

    • @dipoakinyemi
      @dipoakinyemi Před rokem +2

      😃

    • @gary_rumain_you_peons
      @gary_rumain_you_peons Před rokem +17

      And it's all on film. He's done for. Regicide is a very serious crime.

    • @apocalypseap
      @apocalypseap Před rokem +1

      @@benjamininkorea7016 No, he did not. The king was broken already. You're a clown.

    • @charlieoronzon7108
      @charlieoronzon7108 Před rokem +5

      Monarchy protection laws are a very serious matter in some european countries

  • @M3nothingelse
    @M3nothingelse Před rokem +199

    What a weird put together lawsuit.
    "playfully taunting him during his post match interview"
    "fearful that the young prodigy. . ."
    "corrupt and cowardly demand"
    "Carlsen, the King of Chess. . ."
    "gutlessly forfeited. . ."
    It's like Hans wrote the file himself.

    • @BMWE-hm7uz
      @BMWE-hm7uz Před rokem +42

      Thought the same, Written with a very emotive, victim based tone rather than sticking cleanly to the facts. Doesnt read like it has been written by a professional.
      Regardless, hans is going to be $100m richer and not play chess again, or simply never play chess again

    • @cesarcalva9277
      @cesarcalva9277 Před rokem

      Agreed...

    • @Saoshi_
      @Saoshi_ Před rokem +15

      @@BMWE-hm7uz thats literally a lawyer's job you know, youve never seen a courtroom apparently, speech is important

    • @UmarAli-zc8xs
      @UmarAli-zc8xs Před rokem +1

      He 100% wrote it himself but would still need to hire a lawyer anyway so I don't get what's the point of writing it himself was, is he trying to save money by writing it himself? Lmao

    • @XB10001
      @XB10001 Před rokem

      @Connor Stansfield and showing who has the better lawyer.

  • @carlosspiceyweaner4995

    can't wait to tell my friends in the bar and the library!

  • @jameswilson591
    @jameswilson591 Před rokem +3

    Man Chess could’ve been much more mainstream a long time ago if they kept drama going like this the whole time.

  • @manuelespinoza6137
    @manuelespinoza6137 Před rokem +31

    I’ve been watching you for a couple of years now! Man… the chess world has changed in the past year! Love your videos even though I’m not a good chess player you translate the games to the point I can understand them

    • @MrSupernova111
      @MrSupernova111 Před rokem +1

      I've been watching since 2017. The chess world has changed even more since then. Completely different world today!

    • @anindyaganguly5243
      @anindyaganguly5243 Před rokem

      Same here. I am not a good chess player but Agadmator made me hooked to chess after I got bulied by a elder man once as a kid and couldn't dare to play chess for many years.

  • @dteddy304
    @dteddy304 Před rokem +289

    As someone in law school writing a brief about a defamation case, this is fascinating lmao.

    • @sbonisokunene8110
      @sbonisokunene8110 Před rokem +8

      Does Neiman stand a chance

    • @rafaelwillems3244
      @rafaelwillems3244 Před rokem +3

      and your opinion?

    • @PRR-xx2hp
      @PRR-xx2hp Před rokem +5

      This qualifies as libel per se, which assumes damages.

    • @mattcrawford9633
      @mattcrawford9633 Před rokem +16

      @@sbonisokunene8110 not really.

    • @Ennar
      @Ennar Před rokem +56

      @@sbonisokunene8110 I'm a complete amateur when it comes to law, but probably no. Defamation cases are hard to win because Hans would need to show that damage was done to him due to false claims and that the false claims were made with intention to harm. I don't think he intends to win, assuming that he is innocent, I guess he wants to show to the world that there is no conclusive evidence that he cheated and win in the court of public opinion. But who knows, I don't think anyone believed Johnny Depp would win against Amber Heard, yet he did.
      EDIT: as Justin Diamond and Laconic35 explained in their comments, "intent to harm" (malice) might not be a required component in Hans' case. What might be enough is to show "negligence" or "reckless disregard for the truth".

  • @jiujiu
    @jiujiu Před rokem +6

    Well, I wanna watch Hikaru's response to this! But there probably won't be one because his lawyers will tell him not to! lol!

  • @castmeapp5497
    @castmeapp5497 Před rokem +1

    this is perfect content to discuss with my friends at the pub AND library

  • @khyoune8500
    @khyoune8500 Před rokem

    It's sad to see the rise in popularity of chess be tainted with drama soon after. I hope there will be clarity in this matter so that we can all go back to enjoying quality chess

  • @creambot
    @creambot Před rokem +18

    As an attorney, this seems like a massive blunder by Hans. He opens himself up to discovery about prior cheating allegations, and this will accelerate his blackball status like nothing else. Regarding Hikaru, Niemann will have to prove intentional malice and/or actual collusion, which will essentially be impossible. He's also as popular a chess figure as one can find.
    Also, Hikaru Nakamura is definitely not a "natural person" in any sense. :)

    • @ahriman935
      @ahriman935 Před rokem +2

      You could see from day one of this whole drama (the infamous "chess speaks for itself") that Niemann is incredibly arrogant.
      Less thinking, more emotion in this decision.

    • @stanley19430
      @stanley19430 Před rokem +4

      @@protonx80 there is still the unofficial over the board report. It basically claimed the he most likely cheated because by his chess progression, he is the fastest growing player of all time by far. There are many report out there that would damage him over the board. It doesn’t have to be true. But once it is out in court publicly on record, he will face more issues. Just like Armstrong, all of his wins will get pulled. Sport body doesn’t need to prove doping in every event. Once there is one, They can pull all winnings.

    • @protonx80
      @protonx80 Před rokem +1

      @@stanley19430 does not most likely = conjecture rather than proof

    • @stanley19430
      @stanley19430 Před rokem

      @@protonx80 true but it is a dangerous slope here. Whether something is proof is determined by the court and the juries not me or you. So if all 12 jurors determined that the unofficial report is proof, then on court record, it is proof. For instance, if a rape child victim says pastor raped him, and jurors determined that it is factual, then on record, it is proof. It is true regardless of any hard evidence like video tapes or DNA

    • @jasonroussos1585
      @jasonroussos1585 Před rokem

      @@stanley19430 A child can not testify to court and tge testimony used as absolute evidence. The reason is they are easily manipulated so what you are saying doesn't apply here. In general however, jurors decide on the case but they can't factually claims nor ignore real evidence. It will still be out there after the discoveries.

  • @furelise38
    @furelise38 Před rokem +9

    One thing is clear. The lawyers of both sides stand to gain millions from this law suit.

  • @atomice.w6346
    @atomice.w6346 Před rokem +1

    looking forward to seeing the film adaptation of this drama 🐴

  • @jhet4612
    @jhet4612 Před rokem +14

    Nieman just made a brilliant counterattack and now both Magnus and Hikaru must sacrifice some material to save the game!

    • @miloradowicz
      @miloradowicz Před rokem

      Hans confused chess with poker, and went for a bluff!

  • @takeachance5881
    @takeachance5881 Před rokem +26

    "Notoriously for his inability to cope with defeat" So I guess it is allowed to blatantly lie in such lawsuit documents now.

    • @kraakelol
      @kraakelol Před rokem +18

      Magnus should sue for defamation.

    • @takeachance5881
      @takeachance5881 Před rokem +12

      @@kraakelol In all seriousness? A countersue might just do the trick to uncover more evidence.

    • @sabotage7773
      @sabotage7773 Před rokem +2

      @@kraakelol calling him a sore loser does not affect his reputation so he has no basis to sue, just to butthurt

    • @TF10_FLAW
      @TF10_FLAW Před rokem +3

      honestly though so many statements about carlsen that have no ground

    • @takeachance5881
      @takeachance5881 Před rokem

      @@TF10_FLAW A lot of them are pretty out of nowhere but there's hardly and hard refuting evidence. Saying him being a sore loser however, it's as blatant a lie as a lie can be 2bh, way too much evidence against that character slander.

  • @R0KURU
    @R0KURU Před rokem +185

    Wow. Can’t wait to see the evidence provided. I wanna see a live-streamed trial

    • @StoicPrince1674
      @StoicPrince1674 Před rokem +12

      Trial by combat!

    • @raidensama1511
      @raidensama1511 Před rokem +1

      Rekieta Law (Rumble) is the place to go for good trial coverage.

    • @theolsc13
      @theolsc13 Před rokem +1

      it showed itself they already spoke he already has everything he needs in terms of defamation they never proved he actually cheated during that specific time they slandered his name. one thing im suprised he didnt do if hes actually suing his striking the videos where he got slandered

    • @yokeshs7918
      @yokeshs7918 Před rokem +1

      @Nagolbud Only

    • @chin203
      @chin203 Před rokem +3

      I guess a "handful" equals over 100 now
      Good to know

  • @a.o.3523
    @a.o.3523 Před rokem +3

    Hikaru posted a recent video titled "Hans N. Is Brilliant", I wonder if he's trying to dig himself out of a hole?

  • @DJArschlochficker
    @DJArschlochficker Před rokem +924

    This trial going to be bigger than Depp vs Heard

  • @Paulsinke
    @Paulsinke Před rokem +149

    Hans has prepared a brutal opening against Magnus here

    • @knightofchess6900
      @knightofchess6900 Před rokem +2

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @perfectekine8742
      @perfectekine8742 Před rokem +4

      And I think that this is a new move in the possession

    • @MrDanDant
      @MrDanDant Před rokem +4

      Double edged, though. In this line, you either smash your oponent or get obliterated.

    • @skyduster1190
      @skyduster1190 Před rokem +7

      @@oxencik1460 do they neeed to tho? They only need to proof niemann a cheater.

    • @skyduster1190
      @skyduster1190 Před rokem +7

      @@oxencik1460 as long as they can proof niemann likes to cheat online, then it does not matter if he cheats live or not. because ppl like carlsen will have reasonable doubt to doubt his gameplay, wrong as they may be. If niemann has a clean record, sure he will win some money , doubt anywhere near even a million dollars. but because he has a history of cheating online, hahahaha. the only thing he'll win is my old rusty carpet. A gift from me to him for letting his lawyers play him.

  • @guzimirHR
    @guzimirHR Před rokem +39

    #suggestion Antonio would you care to take a look at Alice Lee's games at US Championships? That girl's performance seems amazing- she barely turned 13, she failed to capitalize on her advantage in few endgames, and yet finished so high in final standings.

    • @dante0817
      @dante0817 Před rokem

      Stop the crap, just bec. someone performed well they deserved to be bullied.

    • @guzimirHR
      @guzimirHR Před rokem

      @@dante0817 I meant to take a look to feature one of her games on the channel.

  • @nagulf
    @nagulf Před rokem +58

    I guess Niemann isn't afraid of the discovery process.

    • @amun1040
      @amun1040 Před rokem +9

      Any evidence regarding his cheating online will be thrown out of court as irrelevant. The plaintiffs lawyer will focus on the accusations that he was cheating over the board specifically in his match against Magnus

    • @captainquark2272
      @captainquark2272 Před rokem

      it's procotolgin' time

    • @darkknight32920
      @darkknight32920 Před rokem +2

      Why should he be? This circus only happened after the Sinquefield Cup game, and there's absolutely no evidence of him cheating in that game, only Magnus's suspicions. That will not pass in court.

    • @RPHelpingHand
      @RPHelpingHand Před rokem

      What’s hiding in your ass? …it’s for discovery

    • @dreamleaf552
      @dreamleaf552 Před rokem +4

      ​@@amun1040 Considering none of these 3 have actually directly made that accusation this should be quite entertaining to watch.

  • @ajs3147
    @ajs3147 Před rokem

    There's actually a line where Hans would serve as his own attorney, but it requires too many piece sacrifices. I cite the case Linares v. Ivanchuk, 1991.

  • @god3769
    @god3769 Před rokem +3

    New opening move by Hans!

  • @victorfinberg8595
    @victorfinberg8595 Před rokem +8

    you bet i'm going to read that document in full. i've been waiting for it