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- Asmongold Reacts to Inside the Collapse of Artesian Builds: From $20,000,000 to Bankrupt
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So in case Asmons reads and sees this...Gamers Nexus got in contact with a lot of past employees and helped some of them relocate to new jobs in tech fields. So they did more than just what was discussed here. They've done a story on this before, and they recently put out a poll asking if people would want to see a deep dive into CZcams and their support network over the video incorrectly tagged as 18+.
Yep good dudes who actually give a damn. They don't go around bragging about it, is all.
Tech Jesus doing jesus things man.
@@Caligulove They're always top of the ladder without acting like they are.
@@mrbeans2425 I unfortunately don't remember the name of the video. it's been a while, since they talked about it back when it was all fresh news. From what I can remember, they had ex-employees email them and they used connections in the industry to help those people find new work. It wasn't everyone, of course, but just that they were willing to do that extra work at all was fantastic. As was stated in the video though, this isn't the norm, and they don't usually do these kinds of stories. I think the most recent one they did before this was covering a lot of stuff Newegg was doing(Also being customers themselves) like sending broken parts out or refusing RMAs. And I think that was super early in the year this year, or late last year.
Debt is a problem.
this guy exposed these shitbags superbly - receipts, got inside, done it legally and chose his prey very well. this ceo and his company values are scummy af and there are many many more out there. ego plus turnover equals issues
Its insane to me that even people that send their pc for repairs they dont get their pc back? Like what? Thats not their property how are you gonna sell what isnt artesians property
I think it's called theft or something. I could be wrong, I'm not a legal expert.
This was my thought as well. No way is that legal. You received it and have personal property on the drives. Like if I brought my car to the dealership and in that time they went bankrupt, its not like "yoink your car is now being sold as assets."
Hope anyone in this situation gets legal council.
[People who are wrong]: all lawyers, prosecutors, and federal/state authorities who are ignoring the "crime." All media outlets, journalists and documentary makers for not reporting on the "crime."
[People who are right]: You. Randoms in this CZcams comment section. That's it. You are the geniuses among society.
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No one involved in the company is being criminally charged for selling those PC's to pay off debts after bankruptcy (which includes debts to customers for unfulfilled orders.)
@@xxtovarichxx uh... You have money in a bank? If the bank shuts down, only $250k is insured per account by the FDIC... anything over that is BYE BYE... can't claim theft if you willingly handed your stuff to someone 😂
@@Mageblood A warranty is a contract. In which you agree to send the device in for a service. That service is clearly not being done. So you should receive your device back.
GN is a great channel. They have done a lot for the tech industry by calling out bad/dangerous products. Great to see them expanding!
He is gamer jesus for a reason
Also called out and impacted bad business practices like Newegg fraud and Artesian crap.
@@TheTakenKing999 tech Jesus
@@Markus-zb5zd fair enough
The NZXT riser cable debactle, and recently the PSU 80+ GOLD fakery that ended up either killing or burning rigs down..... Dont forget that they also settled the orientation of radiator controversy
Now I'm not a lawyer, but sending a company your pc to repair and not getting it back plus is being sold at an auction has to be against a law somewhere, either in the tos or fraud or something because that ain't right. Hopefully people can get their pc's back.
Not if its court ordered. Artesians don't have employees any more, who is going to process it? If files are lost how can owner prove that it's their PC? Even if they can process and trace the original owner, who will pay for labor? Not the bankrupt company.
Hopefully they can get some lawyer to do a “class action” style law suit. I don’t know the correct legal terms but basically one lawyer to represent all the people affected rather than each individual having to get their own lawyer, not many people can, or are willing to, pay a lawyer for $1000-$10,000 of real monetary value, but there can be things on a PC worth much more to people than the hardware.
Just do a class action of breaking into the abandoned building and grab your pc back lol
Nah the feds and banks better get their money, customers can get fucked.
@@Patrick_The_Pure yeah no. Being in possion of something doesn't make it yours. At best unjust enrichment.
U PaRkEd uR CaR iN My GarAGe tHo
Gamer's nexus Is such a great channel. It's incredible how fast they grew in a saturated genre and quality work like this is the reason they deserve it.
I find it really fascinating how Steve can take high-level, almost academic, data and convey it in a way that’s easy to follow if you’re actively watching the video.
Their data visualization is also on point, and their multiple episodes of bashing popular brands for terrible business practices certainly helped in getting to the audience’s good side.
Gamers Nexus isn't growing that quickly.... subscriber count is up by 10% over the last year, which is not a lot. Yes, it's a great channel, I've been a Patreon subscriber basically forever, but it's definitely not some kind of overnight success.
@@warren_r exactly. A lot of work over a very long period of time.
@@BattousaiHBr the target audience is gamers and PC users, tech enthusiasts.... the target audience is DEFINITELY saturated. Stop trying to sound smart.
@@gmualum08 what exposure lol they already have 1,68 Mil subs and they are among the big channels for the tech enthusiasts / PC market. Most people on Asmon's channel know them IF they are tech enthusiasts so it's not really an exposure at all
Man, that 10% defect rate is insane. I work in a factory that color codes inustrial cable and loads it onto massive spools (we have network cables thicker than my thigh, for example). If i make one mistake im either killing someone or costing millions of dollars in machine damage.
These standards are so lax because no one cares to hold them to a higher one unlike how you're held to a high standard due to death or massive cost.
Don't kill anyone lol
When Noah spoke he had such a patronising smug tone, To humiliate and berate people for not having what they consider enough subs drives me crazy....companies that help people grow means a lot rather then hopping onto the ready made audience
The man was only doing these kinds of giveaways for the clout, it wasnt about doing something good or helping out somebody/goodwill for the consumer. It was about making himself feel connected to somebody who he considers to be famous online so he could be famous by some kind of osmosis/implied connection with people. If he went about with doing good things for the sake of them, rather than trying to brute force his way into the streamers circles, he might have made a bigger positive name for himself instead of as a fraud.
@@taten-jinmu718 It was such an easy PR win if he went "oh geez, not getting a lot of subs there, you know what might help? AN ARTESIAN BUILDS COMPUTERRRR!!!"
Instead he chose to be a dick.
The one that Steve and his team did on MSI owning a company that was scalping their own cards was great. So were the ones on an NZXT X BOX lookalike case catching fire. NEW EGG selling crappy power supply units was great NEWEGG scamming him on a return was also excellent. He really went after them on that one. If you buy from them, it's a must-see.
I got my build from them and the 3080 it came with had a massive dent in it and was dead-on-arrival. Only took a week to get a replacement... The original build was supposed to have a 3090 in it but I opted to downgrade the GPU to upgrade another GPU on a PC giveaway they were doing for my community. Apparently when they sent me a replacement they never updated the original order sheet with the downgrade - it didn't occur to me until months later that they had sent me a 3090 instead. Silver.... lining...?
Lol
Always nice when a companies incompetence is beneficial to the consumer
CEO destroyed company overnight. Within days of the story going viral, Noah Katz ordered that no refunds be issued and he basically stole money from customers, laid off all staff with no notice. Noah is real piece of work 💩 😒
Not just Noah. Look at his parents. That is how "they" do business. Do not engage in business with those type of people. You are a mark to "them."
As the saying goes, don’t ever think a rich person will not sniff a fart out of your azz.
I totally agree with the ‘we are family’ attitude with their employees.
I already have a family! I agree with your comments……work for less & put up with bad practices.
I was in the construction biz for 15 years. It’s a big game for developers to withhold funds and squeeze out the little guy. Id see 1 to 3 contractors go under on every big commercial project we did. This is why I walked away. I sub contact on a new HD. We finish ahead of schedule. HD opens in December 20xx and I should have been paid by end of January next year. I end up having to lien the property. Wait. File law suit. Wait. Finally around September of that year I am able to summons general contractor for deposition, so they can answer as to why they haven’t paid me my final 150k. So they finally pay. Waiting for that money, I can’t pay my vendors on time so I’m paying interest, can’t pay my taxes on time so I get hit with penalties. When it’s all said and done………stressful, not worth it…….I couldn’t take it anymore.
That’s what these builders do to contractors and they brag about it. Then donate a portion of what they owe you to charity and look good. It’s a ruthless business. Makes you dislike humanity.
Wow, that's horrible. Should be able to report these bad actors
@@mac1bc it’s a contract dispute, not a crime. It feels like a crime when it happens to you. So you have to hire an attorney and the justice system is slow. That’s what happens when you take on a big commercial job. And you need Capitol to survive it. It’s ruthless.
@@AddColor2Life yeah I understand. I was wondering if you could give that business a bad rating or something that would hurt them in tge future
@@mac1bc it was a long time ago and my only goal was to get paid.
@@AddColor2LifeBy doing it repeatedly and bragging about which reveals they’re doing it intentionally, that should change it from a simple contract dispute, which is meant for things like they didn’t get paid in time so they couldn’t pay you in time, to criminal fraud. But it’s intentionally set up so that the only winners are the biggest companies & the lawyers…
I used to be an Artesian Builds ambassador and sold a few computers for them! Not one person from my community who ordered a PC got their PC. this shit was the worst thing that ever happened to me since I began streaming.
That's so saddening.
I really hope things improve for you.
Hahahahahaahhahahahahaha, how is it that I knew what would happen… And you didn’t?
@@Rykojames Cause I was new both to streaming to sponsors, and had only ever heard good things about the company before that point
@@ItsSunee didnt read
Zack owning Starforge Systems, a prebuilt gaming PC company, only reinforces his arguments against Artesian Builds!
When it was revealed that they took back their employee's pay from their accounts I was just mouth agaped at my screen. I wasn't even aware employers can even do that!
How can they do that?
It's wrong and insane.
@@jaggirl it's been explained that Katz would dispute the transactions with PayPal that they're "fraudulent" and because he is the rich CEO here, PayPal gave him the money back.
My mouth was agape too when I heard they were AUCTIONING OFF CUSTOMERS PCS *THAT WERE SENT IN TO BE REPAIRED*. Like that’s literally just theft, they straight up robbed the people
They can't, legally.
Asmongold naturally turns a 30 minute video into an 80 minute video
Good!
@@francesco8000 Sometimes he pauses a bit too much and could just interject shortly without pausing like moistcritikal. It can longwinded at times.
@@francesco8000 Sometimes that's just better than the reaction being longer than the video
Im not complaining xD
@@choke- So watch the original video then. I don't get how people complain that a reaction video is too long. You're specifically watching this video to see how he reacts. If you think it's taking too long or have any complaint with the way its being done you can just watch the original video.
GN is amazing, they are always on the customer's side, their standards are high as fuck, to get a recommendation from them is like being blessed by Tech Jesus. They are always diving deep into stuff and I trust them with my life, not to mention with my wallet.
I discovered them when I was shopping parts for my current PC. Hands down the best channel for detailed hardware reviews. Thanks to them I found the perfect AIO liquid cooler for me that even happened to be one the cheapest as well.
Great video,i've been a sub of Gamers Nexus for years , they even got in touch with the ex Artisian employees and put them in contact with some tech companies.
Gamers Nexus does a lot of great stuff with charities too, they donate components and pcs to people or organizations
4:32 I never got my money back, but i also did a payment plan through affirm (since they were partnered for that) and every dispute they've declined saying that i still might receive the product even though i've provided proof that I'm obviously not going to. Big rips Sadge
I don't know your financial situation, but let me just say this. ALWAYS make these sort of large purchases with a credit card, especially ones where you aren't immediately receiving the product purchases. If you don't have one, a lot of credit unions if you open an account will give you a low limit credit card, like $2000, and it is a very easy way to start building credit and getting comfortable with a credit card.
@@xxtovarichxx better yet. Show some discipline and save the money instead of paying a large faceless credit card company to make money from you spending your own money in advance.
Credit was invented for businesses. They expanded to allow the public to get credit. Now we're in the position that just about every adult lives in perpetual debt. It's stupid.
Think about it. Your credit rating goes up based on your ability to stay in debt.
@@lolocaust4967 Even better, show discipline by not having a revolving balance. Purchasing using a credit card means you can chargeback, which means you'll probably get your money back even if the vendor goes out of business. If you pay in cash for stuff like this and the vendor stops being able to deliver you're just screwed because you're last in line for getting your money back, which is the opposite of being responsible with your money.
Think about it. Buying with cash means you're on your own if a vendor does something shady. Buying with a credit card (that you then pay off immediately) means a bank will have your back if a vendor screws you. I know which way I'd rather go.
@@Tony_Chalmers You're missing something glaringly obvious. Who buys something they cant immediately see in front of them with their own eyes?
I get that's the norm now, but its also a stupid norm. Why on earth would you make a large expensive purchase on the hope that you MIGHT get it. Thats just stupid. I've never once ever run into this issue. You know why? I only buy something I know exists becauser I can see it with my own eyes. Again you're paying to add an element of risk into the puchase procedure that never existed until credit became a thing for everyday people.
Just like credit its a problem of immediate satisfaction culture created by banks and credit card who make money on you having no patience.
@@CroneLife1 But that's my point. By avoiding credit I don't have to WORK to do anything. I have zero debt. None. All of my money is just that mine. It makes no sense at all to borrow your wages before you get them, then pay it back with interest on top. You're paying to spend your own money. Its senseless.
I put money away instead. The bank is paying ME to keep a hold of my money and i get compensated in the form of interest. They've basically scammed everyone and everyone seems to be ok with it. I'm not really wasting any energy by fighting against it. It costs me nothing to point out the ridiculousness.
At the end of the day, when I want to buy something I can always afford what I want because I have a positive cash flow, I don't have to give my money away to someone else.
Gamers Nexus is a great pc tech channel. Lot of good reviews, pc info, and more importantly some very important safety/consumer info. As someone who works in pc electronics , knowing something like NZXT pc catching fire, or gigabye power supplies exploding (lol) is super important. They're truly one of the top pc channels if you're looking to get into pc gaming
43:55 see a good, strong leader that wants the business to be successful would be like “see guys, these East Coast guys are spanking us! Let’s get to work and show these guys that we on the West Coast can build more”. See, you create a fun competitive atmosphere that promotes team building and growth within the company.
As a 25 year veteran field support analyst, whose job includes having to strip and rebuild PCs (because the honchos are "thrifty" and won't buy new stuff), and builds his own home PCs, seeing this video is heartbreaking. Artesian had a SOLID business model and should have become a success story. Yes, even with GPU and general IT supply issues from the past couple of years, I think this business model would have struggled, but with solid leadership and determination it could have succeeded.
Instead, Noah Katz turned out to be a toxic, cancerous snowflake beta who had no clue whatsoever how to run an actual business AND was completely terrible at being a sociable person on-stream.
If I EVER hear that Noah Katz is attached to any business I think to buy product from or get involved with in some way, I'm just walking away from that transaction. Screw that whole "you gotta give people a second chance". There is NO sign that Katz has learned a damned thing from any of this; he's almost certainly showed every indication that he is still blaming everyone and everything other than himself. I refuse to do business with a con artist who doesn't have the self-awareness to realize he's a screw-up at the one thing he claims to be an expert in.
I feel so bad for his employees, and the people he scammed. People will lose data, possibly really sensitive or cherished stuff. They've already lost a BUNCH of money to this scam. Jesus, what a screw job.
Amen brother
How much to get a build from you? 😅
@@AjaxOutlaw In all seriousness, anyone can get a solid rig for $1k or less, if they DIY it. I've never really considered doing it as an indie business before, but I might try it as a retirement gig, just to put some money in the pocket and keep me busy.
Of course, I can't promise to be anywhere as good as those East Coast cats! Those boys and girls make a clean, solid build, absolutely.
@@Eisfalken I don’t trust myself enough to build my own tbh especially if it’s my first PC. I’m confident I can do it just choose not too
@@AjaxOutlaw That's fair, and there's no judgement there. I do so love it myself, though: to build something together from the base parts, get it all arranged properly, and that magic moment when you hit the power button and it all fires up just right.
If that Phynix PC outfit is the remnants of Artesan's east coast team, those are who I would go with for a custom rig. But if the money is tight? Look around your local city for a little PC shop that isn't Best Buy; there's bound to be at least one who can bring your rig in on a tight budget.
"Justice boner" is my new favorite phrase for how I feel about seeing people get justice.
Like when Morgan Tremaine responded to Elaine in kind when she asked him about seeking 15 minutes of fame during the JD trial by testifying about TMZ (who tried to stop him from testifying).
Seeing people acting despicably and getting their behavior called out is satisfying. I hope the customers, contractors, and employees get actual justice somehow. Is there a way to prevent the auction and get their PCs back? Is there a way to recover their money?
This hurts my heart, knowing how it feels to lose 7 years worth of school documents, photos, games/game progress, and diary entries from my upgraded laptop because my ex never returned it to me. Especially not knowing if my laptop ever ended up in anyone else's hands with all of my information on it. I'm really glad he brought this up.
I was mostly computerless for 3 years, sharing a laptop for 2 years and not having one at all for 1 year. I can't imagine spending money, probably in the thousands, to have my computer modded then having to turn around and drop a several more thousand to get a completely new computer.
Asmon watching Steve? The crossover I didn't know I needed.
Always remove your drives when sending in a PC for repair. I don't understand how people don't do this, not blaming them though. It's all on Artesian for not telling their customers to remove the drives first. Years ago when I wanted to send my laptop in for repair (still under guarantee), the instructions I received for how to do so included a step that said to open it up and remove all drives and M.2 SSD's before sending it in. Now that's what I call caring for your customers! Shout out to Germany-based Tuxedo computers for caring about data security and privacy.
And yes, I realize opening up some laptops is not user friendly, so it can be forgiven. But Artesian had this happen with DESKTOP computers of all things!
I never heard of this.
What if you have a drive failure or the drive is part of the problem?
Or, because you just don't know much about computers, actually do some damage to it, if it's one of those really hard to open laptops, or you bend a SATA connector (I accidentally
achieved that when I had a sata ssd connected to a right angle sata connecter, one accidental bad tug and it was over)
Making a backup is always good, but taking the drive out, really depends on the device you're handling + competency + the actual problem
@@Ikxi That's why I added the exception for laptops, but with Artesian we're talking about desktops. I don't have a lot of experience sending in devices for repairs since I service them myself, but when I wanted to send it in under warranty we had short call where they wanted to guide me through a quick remote diagnosis. I had already used a live usb to test the hardware and attached the drives to another pc so I could already tell them what they needed to know. Most places don't fix broken drives anyway, so the best you can hope for when that's your issue is a replacement drive with recovered files.
Then there's me not giving a damn because all I have on there are a bunch of Steam games that the poor dinosaur can barely run. XD
Man, it's so nice of asmon to support small creators like GN. Hope he gets some airflow in his life from it.
"Small" creators. They're approaching 2 million subs. So more than this channel currently has. They're pretty big. Most people in the tech side of CZcams know who they are and they're held is high regard.
@@novaxaylos1226 its a joke dummy
@@ebinmaymays1710 I don't trust ANYTHING online as a joke anymore. Have you lived the same last ~10 years I have?
@@novaxaylos1226 cringe
@@novaxaylos1226 If you can't detect the sarcasm that is quite literally dripping from this comment from it's: structure, formatting, literal carbon copy meme templating you might be a bit detached from society.
I've worked in a somewhat similar company (Assembling computers, primarily for resale by small computer stores rather than direct to the public though) that collapsed (this was a long time ago and wouldn't be featured on CZcams, because it didn't exist then). The fact that the warehouse was left almost like a time capsule is not surprising. When something like this happens, it happens fast. All the staff would be told to stop what they are doing and assemble, then the news broken. Then you would only be allowed back in to retrieve personal possessions (sometimes not immediately, some staff had their own tools etc, that the receivers would not allow out immediately). In terms of selling off warranty returns and repairs, at least where I was that did not happen, those items are not the property of the company and they cannot sell them. In my case, the returns department people kept working after the business closed in order to process the pending warranty items or return them to the customer.
For customers who have paid for new items that they haven't received, welcome to being an unsecured creditor, you'll maybe get 10cents in the dollar back, if you're lucky. What typically happens is that receivers come in, figure out how much capital is left in the company and rack up that much in fees and charges (they charge insane rates). Then they declare that there's nothing left and walk off leaving everyone else screwed. Luckily for me, we had a government scheme that guaranteed workers pay and entitlements in the event of a company going bust (thanks to the cousin of our former Prime Minister having their company go bust and there being no money to pay the wages, legislation just happened to be introduced to cover them).
The reason for the collapse may be several. From looking at their very fast rise, they may have grown too fast, over-reached on stock or debt and got caught in a crunch. It seems that the boss might have done some shady shit, which happened in my case too, but that wasn't the primary cause for the collapse, or perhaps his actions were the primary cause. There are usually several reasons for a collapse.
GN and his team have a well known reputation in the tech community, their investigatory type content and their reviews are just on point. They have videos of New Egg's scandal (both the RMA one and the exploding PSU one) and they put the claims of brands/companies to the test. They invested thousand if not hundred of thousand of dollars in equipment in order to test that. They are one of my go-to channel when I want to watch a review bcs I know they are not paid for it unless they mention it, also that they buy undercover for a better customer experience. You should watch the $5000 alienware pre-build review.
Worked at a company that expanded a warehouse similar to this. The landlord would be out over 100k due to modifications, permits, and any work to return the warehouse to spec for a standard tenant.
Not to mention the $$ they invest into the warehouse to create for the non-standard tenant in the first place.
The extra walls, insulation, extra electrical work done.... GN noted it took months of works to retrofit the warehouse for Artesian - my company is moving warehouses shortly and a 7k sqft warehouse is $60k for insulating the roof ALONE. Which the landlords of the new place agreed to do for a 10k sqft warehouse which I would assume is a 80-90k investment or around that.
That warehouse is at least 30k sqft, not including office spaces from what I can estimate. Its absolutely insane the cost the landlords probably put in to appease the company, who's financial statements probably looked really good so they agreed to the work done on the warehouse. Overall the landlords probably spent 250k (if already insulated) up to more than 500k for modifying the warehouse in that area of California.
I worked for a company that went bankrupt suddenly. they took us out to lunch, and locked the doors behind us, told us to go home after lunch. the shop was left just like this. drinks and half finished work just sitting on benches.
My last job pulled the "We're a family" bullshit to get away abusing me just like my real family.
I also told them where to shove it, just like my real family.
Its nothing more than an emotional manipulation.
This was real informative thanks man I wanted to know this for ages as I said ..Nice work man
I was waiting for Asmongold to react to this to watch it, glad he saw it already
What pissed me off the most was the fact that they auctioned off the property OF CUSTOMERS who had sent their systems in for repair... They did NOT belong to AB. They belonged to customers.
Would be a wildly successful company if it had a different captain. From my experience buying custom built PCs over the last ten years or so, there's not enough builders to keep up with demand and timely production.
18:30 tyrannosaurus skull? Bro that is a triceratops skull
5:10 Yes, this is how it works. In recent time many businesses had to close doors, and the story has been similar in the US and Europe. Returns and products offered for repairs are part of the assets/inventory when the company filed for bankruptcy.
The construction costs would be over 100k on the low end. I've done project management for commercial renovations. You'd be shocked about how much stuff costs
sometime i think people dont understand how big these warehouses can be. just a couple simple home renovations can cost you 10-30k
And with the size of the warehouse + offices, its likely to be A LOT more than that. I saw 4 dock doors, and probably a warehouse space approaching 25-30k sq ft. Rennovating that large of a space, depending on what was there before could be upwards of 1/2 mil. Insulation is about $9 for a sq ft. An AC unit for commercial space can be 100k+ on their own... And returning the warehouse for non-standard tenant use (removing walls, extra electrical ETC) can cost another 100k on top of what they spent for the company to have moved into the space in the first place....
Yeah..I spent over 2 grand with them and never got my pc…..I saved for 6 months to get it…I don’t understand why I can’t get my money back..how can they just take my money like that …I just don’t wanna order another one again..from anyone
@@JB-kn4uc then he’ll be committing fraud and be out $2k. That’s making a bummer into criminal problem
Nice to relisten to this video with Asmongold's commentary. I watched this back when it came out on the Gamers Nexus channel.
As a long time Gamers Nexus subscriber AND long time Asmongold viewer, this kind of reaction warms my heart and makes me so happy to see. This was an overall enjoyable experience. Thank you Asmongold and his team.
Your stream camera zooms give me an overall enjoyable experience.
@@ShiftRPS13 i have literally never once had someone check out my content based on a youtube comment. This is mind blowing. 🤣 Thank you so much.
@@NismospoolinOfficial Zack owning Starforge Systems, a prebuilt gaming PC company, only reinforces his arguments against Artesian Builds!
I love how Asmon always brings in the worker's perspective. The simple dude trying to make a living got screwed over by them. That's the bottom line sadly.
did he ever get arrested
1:05:16 lol, here's one for you, from Wikipedia:
"The complaint tablet to Ea-nasir (UET V 81)[1] is a clay tablet that was sent to ancient Ur, written c. 1750 BCE. It is a complaint to a merchant named Ea-nasir from a customer named Nanni. Written in Akkadian cuneiform, it is considered to be the oldest known written complaint. It is currently kept in the British Museum.[2]
Ea-nasir travelled to Dilmun to buy copper and returned to sell it in Mesopotamia. On one particular occasion, he had agreed to sell copper ingots to Nanni. Nanni sent his servant with the money to complete the transaction.[3] The copper was considered by Nanni to be sub-standard[4] and not accepted. "
Who knows if Noah will be as infamous as to be known several centuries from now, but the fact that several people feel safe in drawing comparisons doesn't bode well for him lmfao
It's cool to see you reacting to Gamers Nexus. I follow a few tech guys. I was tracking the story when Jayz 2 cents built the winner a computer, but I wasn't tracking the company going under. Thanks!
That dinosaur bone build is absolutely maddening. Agreed it should be for science. Great book called The Dinosaur Artist that touches on the debate (war) between collectors and scientists.
Dinosaur bones are super fragile too, why would you want to craft with them?? And he did it fucking terribly too
I vehemently agree, Gamers Nexus is an absolutely incredible CZcams channel. Between JayzTwoCents, Hardware Unboxed, and Gamers Nexus, I've learned a whole metric fuckton of info about computers.
Same here. Don’t know why but I prefer GN and Jayz to the rest.
To me, this highlights the importance of a strong independent accounting team that can help a business owner avoid these pitfalls. Easier said than done of course.
Besides the fact of auctioning customers' PCs, I would be weary to ship my PC to any repair if I knew it had my sensitive info like bank statements. They could access them.
He sounds like my old GM in classic WoW he cleared almost everything out and before you know it it's a domino affect with every guy above me picking over the scraps of what was left of the guild until three days later I'm the new Guild Master and I've only been playing for like three and half months. Shout out to the Goofygoblin
While I agree with the overall sentiment (regarding PC building yourself Vs prebuild) and as someone who advocates that everyone should try it at least once! As an IT Workshop lead and someone whose been building PC's for over 25 years at this point, the statement and the choice of reference being an electrician knowing about PC building was a bad analogy. As a PC tech and having close work place and familiar connections to serval very qualified Elec's, maybe 1 in 15 have any idea about how to build a PC. All of them could strip down and rebuild the PSU however blind folded.
If I had to give one tip in buying PC's, that would be NEVER buy a branded system, they are never worth the money you pay, even if it looks like the best deal ever... It's not...
Overall great video the Artesian guys (east coast) were good shame they had shitty Bosses, 1 Ego sunk the ship taking so many workers with him.
I just stumbled on this video and thoroughly enjoyed it, scrolled down to subscribe and check out the Bionicle video, I was shocked to see that you only have 3.3k subscribers! Keep up the awesome work!
Crazy starforge was lunch a month after reacting to this video 😂
It sucks that the employees that had nothing to do with these situations were affected by this mess, I wish them the best in the future
This is why pre builds will always *ALWAYS* be a bad idea. It's cheaper to order your own parts and not only know 100% what's in your rig but also substantially reduce the risk of getting screwed over.
As for assembly it takes literally a half hour to an hour to do and there are walkthroughs for anything you need.
Pre-builds are perfectly fine if you buy them from decent companies. I've bought three machines from two different companies, none of which had any problems related to how they were built
@@NoXion100 that's just it tho how do you know what's "the right company"?
You cant trust anything anymore and the amount of stories of a company putting in a inferior power supply, a different GPU than what was listed, used or scuffed as hell graphics cards or just god awful cable management etc far outweigh the stories of quality companies making quality machines.
@@sinjin8576 The vendors I've used, I heard of via word of mouth from people I know in person, and my experiences with them have been sufficiently positive over the years for me to consider buying from them again.
If I were to consider buying from an unfamiliar company, then I would take a look at their reputation online. If a company consistently has problems with build quality, then people are going to bitch about it on forums and social media relating to PC building.
I don't know how consumer protection law works where you live, but over here a PC building company would be breaking that law if they attempted to deliver a product without the specified components agreed on by the customer and the vendor before assembly.
@@dingowingo7977 You do know that all of those questions will need to be answered regardless of whether you're buying from a system integrator or assembling yourself, right? Any system integrator worth buying from will be able to answer those questions easily enough.
This react was the start of Starforge
The east coast had to redo the west coast /Katz's work because it looked like crap . The cords you mentioned being everywhere are still there - but the east coast organized them to make it look better . It is called cable management ...
Of all the things they found in this investigation, the fact that Payo bought an Artesian PC has to be the funniest thing to have come out
Glad I talked someone out of this deal and myself also. Now the real question is this
What's a good company to make pre-built adjustable PC? 🤔
Funny enough Gamer Nexus covers that subject quite a bit, always a risk involved.
Gamers Nexus has a lot of videos where they buy pc's anonymously and review them, most of them are really badly build.
Bro do it yourself its super easy like lego if ur somewhat careful nothing can go wrong
Micro Center if you have one near you, a bit more costly than say NZXT but they really are the kings
I build my own from components from Newegg. Been doing this for over a decade.
This hits pretty close to me.
I purchased a $1800 CyberPower rig from BestBuy and received it a week later. Everything went well, and the build was amazing.
5900x and 6800xt, amazing rig. 20 days later (outside of bestbuy return policy) and the graphics card goes out. Upon issuing an RMA, I had to spend $60 for shipping and insurance to send it to them. Was advised to not ship in packing peanuts as they shift.
I received a USED, damaged 6800xt in return, shipped in packing peanuts. 2 days after using this 6800xt, the CPU went out.
Would’ve cost around $200 to mail it to them. Threw it all away; wasn’t worth the anxiety over “is this going to work” everytime I turn it on.
Bought a $300 gateway laptop from Walmart and I’m satisfied. I only play MapleStory lol.
This sounds like something I would do lmao. Going through hoops just to play your favorite game ;-;
@@Aethereality sucks being out $1800, but no anxiety is worth it.
Ended up getting 2 laptops for the price of one. Walmart screwed the shipping label up, so they sent a replacement. Wound up getting the original, and Walmart advised to just keep it. lol.
going through all of that just to play the game that ruined gaming as a whole. You deserve it.
@@perfectenrager I absolutely do. Just bought a Lenovo Legion 5 with a 140watt 3070ti. Can play CP2077 at maxed settings. Guess what I'm playing? Maplestory :D
How do you constantly find diamonds in everything? It is truly amazing man. Your recent stuff feels so evolved, like truly unique.
First time seeing Asmon reacting to Tech Jesus. The crossover I didn't know I needed!!
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Gamers Nexus did an outstanding job on this investigation!
This is a crossover of my two favorite content creators that I did not expect
Maybe OTK could partner with PhynixPC. They were partnered with Artesian most likely because they supported what they assumed they were doing. Since Phynix is a new company composed of the people who were actually doing the good work it would look likely be a great partnership for both ends. Always good to partner with a promising company early
I'm so glad you watched a gamers nexus piece. They are one of the best advocates for consumers in a space that desperately need help and understanding that I have ever seen. Steve is a true, honest, reporter.
Hate to say it but as time goes on gn gets more and more insufferable due to how much they virtue signal nowadays. They genuinely believe they are better than everyone else now.
Somehow the 1 in 10 error rate was the most egregious thing about this whole debacle. How does ANY company stay afloat with that high of a mess up rate?
The cords you felt was "missing" was just cable managed better. The eas coast needed to fix what the west coast messed upp. Both quantity and quality wise.
I saw them both face palm at the same time in stream and thought that should be the thumbnail, :) NICE
This video is important for 2 reasons:
1) It highlights a channel that would not have been seen otherwise. The commentary is also on point.
2) For anyone wanting to create their own business should watch this video as guideline of what not to do when thinking of making a company. It’s easy to want to have something you call your own, but mismanagement and wanting to be famous can fuck not only yourself but can fuck up other people’s lives and livelihoods.
you realize GN has a big following already right?
@@dgoeck never heard of them before asmon made this video. There are probably many out there like me who wouldn’t have seen the video otherwise. So my comment stands.
20 million revenue doesnt mean anything, their operating costs might have been 25 million so they were actually under water
The moment starforge was born
A year later, it's hard to believe that From the Ashes of this we got star forge, and their fantastic spaceship logo.
So I had never heard of "Artesian Builds" before now, and this was most interesting to watch, but all the time I kept thinking to myself why did they call it artesian builds? They were aware that artesian is completely different to artisan right?
I can't get over the fuck up of a name either. I guess that their boss was a clout chasing dbag means he would never listen to someone saying "hey boss, this word doesn't mean what you think it means."
They dont call him Tech Jesus for nothing
I watched this video from GN yesterday and saw OTK was mentioned. Glad my wish came true that Assman would react to it!
1:03:40 can’t wait for the Starforge NFT’s 😂
You could probably guess the level of care at the company by their choice of NAME... did they, perhaps, intend to be "Artisan" builds... "Artesian" would be a well. On second thought, a deep hole people toss money and wishes into is a bit on the nose..
This whole thing sounds like a business started up by some rich kid whose friend gave him a bunch of party drugs in exchange for buying and putting together a simple PC, and the guy felt so good about being thanked for building a shitty PC that he decided to try to build a whole company where he could build PCs himself for people and become their friends in the process.
18:32 “$300,000 Tyrannosaurus skull”… shows the skull of a triceratops.
Watching at the 24min mark with the internal employee conversations, Noah reminds me of someone from the play Hamilton surprisingly. He reminds me of Aaron Burr in his song ‘I want to be in the room where it happens’. Noah seems to want to sit at the table with bigger players desperately and be a ‘big boy’ but fails to realize that in order to get there you need something of value to bring to the table before ever being allowed to approach. And just like Aaron Burr, wanting to be there for the sake of being there will in fact never get him there.
Noah Katz is essentially what happens when a Frat boi with no knowledge no common sense and no life experience gets a golden ticket to do w/e he wants
A bald man watching the jesus of Hair....Nice!
Bald goblin**
i think the video would of been better if it had a better director
The T-Shirt looks like the tuned down Album cover of Fear Factory's Demanufacture.
42:00 “oh also, they are in breach of contract insulting us” 😂😂😂
Cracked up at Asmon's reaction to the shirt ad xD
I worked at an IT company, it was one of the most prestigious ones where I live, the only person who had anything to do with IT was the main owner, all the rest were electrical engineers, mechanical ones, one of the other owners was a ballistic rocket expert lol.
We basically mostly worked for other IT companies where the companies would bring other people's PCs if they couldn't fix it. I'm saying this because that job made me realise all these IT people generally don't really know how to actually fix the computers printers etc.
The East Coast build had better cable management than the West Coast build. I think that was the point being relayed in the comparison. Also the East Coast build utilized a fan controller which is that rectangular block in the middle, West build not have a fan controller just solely depending on the controls from the bios. You can also see cables were routed over the fans airway on the West Coast build. Ultimately, they were trying to show that East Coast was doing more and producing higher quality builds.
10:41 LMFAOOO bro called it before it happened
Lol dude got a $900,000 loan from his daddy. I can't even get my parents to pay for my rent
Later in the video its explained that the family sat at the c-suite. It looks like they actually ran the company, but they created the company in their sons name and “loaned” the money to him. In reality, they were officers and/or had major decision ability, so they controlled the money they “loaned”.
The son was just their useful idiot to carry the risk.
All around, amazing in-depth work by gamers nexus. Like most corporate failures, it’s a symphony of wtf moments that have been compounding for a while. Eventually they come to a head and it implodes. This company was already on the path to fraud and failure, it would’ve happened regardless of this giveaway debacle.
@@johnmaurer3097 what's your point? They still let their son run the company into the ground.
Finally someone who has the brain capacity to watch more than 5 minutes of a GN video without having an ADHD spaz attack.
The worst part about the 10% vs 1% thing is the east coast made about 20x more pcs than the west coast. So it's like they sent a bad pc every day in the west coast where as the east coast sent a bad pc every 6 months
"Man, put some respect on your last name, not your first one.'
Got dayum, that one had some spice to it! Seriously though, that's the truth.
Wake up at 4: check
Work out: check
Grind: check
Have rich parents that pay for everything: oh damn
Gamers Nexus, Jayz2cents,Linus, Pauls Hardware, Bitwit are all 500% legit tech channels and full of content that is super helpful to both the advanced user and beginners.
@@saynotop2w elaborate
Gamers Nexus is legit. Those other channels are jokes. Watch them for fun not for actual information.
@@v3rzify840 tell one joke they told you. Make me laugh then.
Linus is... you should watch the two videos Gamers Nexus made about Linus.
I worked in a custom PC shop, I alone could pump out 3 builds a day, 3 for an entire branch is a disgrace and they are clearly not working on the computers...
And when I say build I mean build, stress test, error correction, installation of OS and flashing bios and updating drivers, and packaging then delivery.
Yep - if you purchased on a cc u can check terms to see if u are covered
I wonder how much of that $20MM in annual revenue, was profit. Computer parts usually have razor thin profit margins, and 60-70 employees plus that big warehouse, are very expensive. The average is around 5%. Let's say they were able to make 10%, that's about $2MM a year, but you haven't added in salaries, insurance, leasing/buying the space, etc. It sounds like a lot but maybe wasn't very profitable.
the east coach branch is what was bringing in the revenue and if there was no west coast they would bring in the profit.
That would be the fault of the company for not pricing their goods right. I would expect them to have a decent markup on the final sale of the computer that would cover the salaries and rent and materials. I never looked at their stuff so I don’t know their price vs just the raw goods
Fun fact, Asmongold is now partnered with (And has defended the practises of) a PC building company (Starforge) led by the former COO of Artesian. Condemn with one hand, rake in the cash with the other.
the former COO was the only reason the Artesian company was able to last this long, honestly. The former COO before the collapse separated from the company due to conflicting "views" with CEO.
Went to the website to see if they still take orders. Everything says “closed for maintenance”. Gonna be closed for a long time lol
so they where doing 1-10th of the work but still had 10% defect ratio with more then twice the staff, in comparison to the other workplace,
(HOLY DANKSMOLY)