DISC REVIEW: Axiom Hex - Is it Better than the Discraft Buzzz?
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- čas přidán 18. 05. 2024
- In June of 2021, MVP released a brand new mid range disc called the Axiom Hex. This straight-stable disc has a flight rating of 5 | 5 | -1 | 1 and it immediately shot to the top of the sales charts. Some big claims were made - "better than the Buzzz" and "best mid range ever". So how does it fly? I put the Discraft Buzzz and the new Axiom Hex head to head in a shootout to see which is the best mid range available in 2021.
0:00 Start
0:52 Disclaimer
2:14 Overview
2:52 Specifications
4:40 Flight Test
5:55 Hyzer Release
6:40 Flat Release
7:41 Anhyzer Release
8:26 Performance
9:23 Who Is This Disc For?
10:17 Comparisons
11:17 Buzzz vs Hex - the Winner Is...
12:36 Wrap Up
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Fun Fact: In Australia, discs fade in the opposite direction.
I was gonna make that joke too!!! 😂
At the end of the round, I just hope my score card fades down under. Maple Valley Plastics for the Win!
Someone found my bzzzz in a pond recently it had been gone for 6 months, no color left on it. I picked it up went to my local course and threw it straight down the middle. I’m a buzz customer for life
The hex reactor combo is absolutely lethal. MVP has the best 5 speed and under lineup on the market.
Definitely agree they are a great combo. I'm looking forward to adding the Uplink also.
6.5 and under! Nobody makes a Resistor or Crave either!
@@benjam9035 absolutely love my crave.
I hated mids until I picked up an eclipse Hex. Now I can’t get enough of throwing it. I think the flight is amazing and the best part is the depth of their mids. They are thinner than other companies mids which allows me to get a much cleaner release. Great discs.
Just got my Hex to go with my Reactor, so I'm right there with you! Cheers!
One thing I would like to say about Axiom and MVP , The discs are beautiful , very well made and just feel awsome in my hand
Totally. MVP definitely innovate in the area as well and sometimes you get a beautiful disc and feel ashamed to throw it and ding it up. Mad me sad when a got a cut in the rim of my Skullboy Hex on the first round.
I actually use both the hex and buzz a lot. They fly very similar but for some reason I like forehand much more with the hex and backhand more with the buzz
I just noticed this week the Axiom Hex flys the furthest most consistent for me out of all my discs so there’s that.
I started out with the Buzzz, but once I got the Hex, I couldnt believe it! Wish I got a Hex earlier. Love the Hex
Got my first ace with the Hex. It’s a superb disc, and I use it a LOT.
The hex blew my mind, was fully hooked after the first throw. By far the best mid, other than a champion roc3
Love the practical comparison. Thanks for putting in the time. New and subbed
Envy, hex, and crave as a starter pack would be awesome. I wish I would have gotten those discs as a beginner.
Really appreciate your in depth reviews, and as someone who has been getting more and more into MVP discs they are invaluable.
Can't wait for you to review the paradox. I use hex, reactor and paradox for my mids and the paradox has quickly became my go to technical roller disc. The hex though is the reason I solely bag MVP/Axiom now.
it's great for hyzer-flips too, I love it.
Just wanted to say I love your video format. The long form, flight lines, and especially plastic and weight comparisons give your videos everything I look for when investigating a disc I'd like to purchase. Between you and TK Disc Golf, (and the fact that you aren't a power thrower) I have no doubt how MVP and Axiom discs are going to fly out of my hand when I buy one. Keep up the good work!
excellent review. ty for putting all that work into your videos.
Thanks, it always turns into lots of work because I always want to add more to my vids.
I literally thought you were saying Mrs. Downunda disagrees, that everybody doesn't actually have a butthole.
Thanks for the comparison!
Thanks for the the review. Based on your the review, as it was in process, I was leaning towards the Buzz. I appreciate seeing your release and flight lines. The Buzz has been a staple in my bag since the first time I threw one. Based on your review, I will be getting a Hex to try. I think it could have a place in my bag. I have only thrown a few MVP disc. My go to for absolute straight lines is the Switch.
I’ll add to the growing list of people saying the Hex is fantastic! I bought 1 a year ago at 178 grams. Laser straight disc with a ton of glide. As my arm speed and technique has improved and my disc has been beaten in, the disc has become too understable for my liking for flat releases above 70% power. I throw the hex 250-275 feet for reference. It’s now a great hyzer flip disc. I decided to buy a reactor in eclipse 2.0 plastic to fill that void of a mid that I can really throw as hard as I want or throw into wind and not have to worry about it turning and burning. I love both the Hex and the Reactor! :)
The hex is a little under stable for me when thrown flat. For a touch more stability in the wind I recommend the mvp reactor. Especially the glow. That disc is incredible.
100%. I also have the Reactor and the Pyro. Thought about including them in the review too but it was long enough as it was without adding more. The Reactor is definitely the go to mid when there's a bit more wind.
@@DiscGolfDownUnder I bag two Reactors in different stages of wear and the Pyro. Awesome molds!!
I find my glow hex to be perfect
I returned a year later. I started a disc golf course in my local town. Now I am wondering what discs to recommend. I think your recommendation for starters to get the Envy, Hex, and the Crave is spot on. My love for the Crave is what got me hooked. I have been loving throwing the envy lately. Maybe the hex is the next disc for me to love. I just find the flight of a beat in Emac truth to be exactly what I am looking for in a straight mid.
I always said that a nicely beat in Buzzz is like your favorite pair of boots. Reliable and comfortable. That said, I think I'm a lot more accurate with my Hexes on mid range approaches. It just seems easier to get inside circle one range and stay there with a Hex. And I've gotten some really nice forehand flexes with the Hex that I can't seem to get with my Buzzzes. But you do bring up a good point: The Hex has a lot more glide than the Buzzz so you'll need to adjust for that.
Nice!
I’m a backhand Buzzz thrower…but I’m thinking of forehanding the Hex.
I turned to the Proxy over the Envy. Though I am throwing at altitude here in the Mile High City (Denver) ... I bag an electron medium and plasma Proxy and love that putter for throwing. I putt with Ions and am using an Uplink and Reactor for mid ranges ... though I just got my first Hex and can't wait to throw it! Cheers!
Great video! Most indepths reviews on youtube maybe? I wish you would have compared the Reactor also. Since it shares a core with the hex it be interesting to see the differences.
Thanks. I also have the Reactor and the Pyro. I thought about including them in the review too but it was long enough as it was without adding more. The Reactor is more stable and if you've got a headwind, a better option than the Hex.
I am absolutely in love with my hex
It’s really just preference (saying this before getting through the video). The buzzz is an amazing disc. But I bag the hex. Feels phenomenal. It is soooo good out of the box, and beats in to a phenomenal hyzer flip. Want some more stability? Reactor fills that slot so nicely. Between the two, I have no needs for straight, long mids.
I have 2 Buzzz in my bag currently, 1- Z 1- ESP. I do love them and feel very confident pulling them out
But, I bought 2 Axiom Craves this summer and I love these discs for forehand & Backhand so much so I will consider buying any Axiom MVP disc in the future
Can you review the Paradox soon ? I would love to see that compared to other -4 turn discs
Cheers Mate
Jeff from Canada
I picked right. I always go back to my buzzzz
I really love the feel of a buzzz. Only downside I have is their inconsistency. I have never owned two buzzzes with similar flight
Hex all day!!
Hex was my one of my go to mids, then I lost it in the snow and now I miss it 😂
Great review and an honest opinion. I am a diehard AXIS Fan, so the Hex is a work in progress for me. Have you ever thrown a Dynamic Discs
Prime Burst Truth?
Only Non-MVP disc I still own. (Not that E-Mac Junk!)
Never really got into DD. I had an Escape that I loved, but the Trace booted that out of the bag.
Agreed, I bag a Lucid truth not an E-mac. The Truth flies dead straight with alot of glide and feels perfect in the hand. Great skips too when I need em. One of the most slept on discs. I throw through tight gaps with it.
I really appreciate the honest conclusion, i too wanted the Hex to win^^
Honestly, I did too. It's still a great disc though.
Can’t beat a buzzz sorry folks
This is my favorite disc. Disclaimer... I'm just returning to the game after having NOT played this century. Back when disc golf was super popular in the 1990's I played about 3-4x per week. Got myself to a decent standard. Now that I'm getting back into disc golf I've been buying and trying a ton of different discs. The Hex is incredibly easy to throw and goes incredibly straight for me most of the time. As I get better I'm able to throw the Hex a bit further than the Mako3 or the Buzzz. Again, I'm just a player that's starting all over and my level of play isn't all that great.
The Hex (Lizzotl) is probably one of my most frequently used discs after my putter.
A few questions -
Is the Buzzz you used in the video new or beat in? You said it was beat in, but when you threw it the graphic said it was new.
Do Buzzzes beat in relatively quickly? Like if I do a bunch of 1 disc rounds with it could I get it flying super straight like yours pretty quickly?
Do you feel like you can trust the Hex when you throw it? I get the feeling looking at it compared to the Buzzz that it’s flippier and less reliable.
Thanks in advance! Your videos are immensely helpful.
I wouldn't say the Buzzz I had was fully beat in. I'd say somewhere between 100 and 200 throws with little to no tree hits. My special edition Hex and max weight is very reliable - maybe a touch more stability now that it has beaten in. I find the sub 170 gram Hexes are more flippy and maybe not as reliable. I currently bag the SE.
I was going to comment on the fact you eld the Buzzz upside down, then realized this is Australia so it's probably just showing up like that for me in the States.
I like both the buzz and Hex. However, as someone who also lives down under, they aren't as readily available for a go to midrange disc. For that reason the RPM Kotuku and Piwakawaka are in my bag instead of the Hex or Buzz.
Sorry y'all get these discs late...
For those with good to great arm speed I'd recommend a relativity understable disc for overstable I'd try the ballista pro.. .. good luck if your not used to them, but they are great fun ...
Although the ballista is not an mvp disc
But the limit is.. j.s.
Just ordered a watermelon edition hex lol can't wait to see how it flys compared to my esp buzzz and what slot it fits in
They fly exactly the same for me. I find the hex is more comfortable in the hand because I throw axiom/MVP.
I have 2 Buzzz, a Z and a bigZ. My Pteranodon gets more distance, by a notable margin. And while our Z-Buzzz is a -1 1, the BigZ buzzz is a 0 1 very different flight - I'm even making shots with that one for which I used a Shark for before (0 2). Discraft is wildly unreliable with it's numbers (the Luna is so far off it's numbers, they've removed all but the Ti plastic from their website - my BigZ Luna is a -1 1 instead of the published 0 3!).
While the Buzzz has a nice flight, it's not "unbeatable" in it's category. Once I noticed the Pteranodon was going farther, I regretted having bought a second Buzzz lol - I'm really not sure if I'll be purchasing any more Discraft discs after these experiences - each time I look at Discraft, I have doubts, second thoughts, and end up getting something else. I want to like the brand, but I just can't trust it.
I think every disc manufacturer is struggling with consistency these days. It's now more about mass production rather than a consistent and reliable product.
Team Buzzz, haven’t had the chance to really play any rounds with the hex, but plan to soon, just for science. I love my Buzzzes, they do exactly what I ask them to so I don’t really plan to switch them out unless this disc really really impresses me.
I may have to revisit this with the Lizottl. I feel they are very close now.
Funny but I prefer the Mako and Mindbender but I think these are all solid discs!
I agree. The buzzz has not found a match. P.s. they do make the buzzz in jawbreaker.
My Hexx is super overstable compared to my buzz. Hope it beats up quick
Personally the hex feels better in hand and flies similar to a buzzz
I just came here to say that I do have a jawbreaker buzz, it’s super flippy lol
Did you order a Gyropalooza box Mat?
Yes I did and it arrived today. Will be doing an unboxing video and review soon.
@@DiscGolfDownUnder I also got mine today and lucked out with a glow virus, keen to watch your unboxing+review!
Just pulled a glow hex out of my gyro box that arrived today
@@kellycarpenter78 congrats!!
Plasma Neutron plastic is what I want
When everything is said and done the buzzz is the winner .
I must have a weird hex. mine is super stable and doesn't glide compared to my buzzz. I've never seen a flight from it like your demo'd.
What's the weight? I have a max weight Hex that is more stable than the rest.
@@DiscGolfDownUnder yes, it's max weight within a couple grams - checked it's 178!
Yes, much better than the Buzzz. Period. I have tried to like the Buzzz, but just can't get past Discraft's plastics. I LOVE the Hex and it's shallow profile.
I believe the Hex is A LOT LESS STABLE than the Buzzz. That being said I really heavier on the Hex than I do the Buzzz but I will throw the Buzzz when a little more Hyzer is needed. I bought a MVP Starter set a few years ago and have since just about given away all my other discs. Or retired the ones I truly love and will never get rid of. MVP/AXIOM/STREAMLINE are NOW MY GO TO DISCS for basically everything (especially in the wind). My friends can't understand how I can do so well on a windy day. I'm not sure either but my credit goes to MVP/AXIOM/STREAMLINE. They just fly so well (wind day or not). Honestly my distance has improved as well by anywhere from 10' to 70ish',since I've changed disc manufacturers as well. Don't believe me, try them yourselves. I'm not a professional by far, just a guy who truly loves the game...........
Unpopular opinion here, but I never got along with the Buzzz. Tried it in varying plastics and I just never could get it to do what I wanted. The Hex on the other hand I threw and immediately fell in love with it. The glide has allowed me to use it for shots where I used to throw a fairway. I also think it handles forehands better than my Buzzz ever did.
Thanks for the review. I think your conclusion lacks a fair evaluation of the Hex's advantage of being an outstanding forehand flick disc. It's flat profile gives it a nice forehand feel. Since you state that you are not a forehand thrower, it may be difficult for you to make a fair assessment compared to the Buzz's forehand capability. Maybe you could give the Hex an Aussie "go" on forehand shots. You may surprise yourself.
I may have to revisit this one. Recently added a Lizottl to the bag and I think it's better than the Buzzz. As for forehands, I've been working on it. A long-term shoulder injury keeps popping up and killing things though. Funnily, 5 years ago I was predominantly a forehand player. Now, James Conrad throws more forehands than I do.
Just wanted to pop on here to answer the question. I bet the hex is a better disc cut in half 😂🇺🇲
why do your measurements diverge with the specs? rim width is reportedly 14mm, not 13
I use the PDGA measurements from certification. If you look at the rim, it's sometimes not vertical so that means the rim width can vary depending on where you measure to. I assume the PDGA measure to the same point across all discs so I find them a good reference point.
@@DiscGolfDownUnder I see. thanks for replying. but it is categorized as a "speed 5", and many sites say 14, so I'm not sure why we're going with 13 here. Could it be that the spec changed a little since it's introduction? Or are they all just measuring it wrong?
@@DiscGolfDownUnder I just looked it up. they call it rim thickness, 14mm. rim depth 13mm. it's really a bad choice of word, on their part, as "thickness" is extremely misleading and just wrong. This number concurs with other discs I've looked up. Look up a Shark, for example (we all know it's 12mm width). Beware, I've spotted a few errors on Innova's own website, and I don't even know if I can trust it anymore - so it can be really tricky looking things up (TL and Shark3 for example). Just to be sure we're looking at the same listing on the pdga website, the URL ending with /hex
ps: the worst for errors though is Roguediscs website. I'm seeing about 25% errors in their listings for specs or flight numbers, not kidding.
Hold my emac truth :)
If you know you know.
I bag a nomad and an envy not a fan of hex I enjoy my buzz and buzz ss
the buzz is the best
I've got to say, for me, the buzzz wins by a very small margin. I own both, but the buzzz is more trusty for me
It is nothing like a Buzzz. It is almost the exact same as a Roc3. A very neutral stability that holds what ever angle you throw it on.
Maybe for you, but my Buzzz and Hex are very similar. My Champ Roc3 flies nothing like a Buzzz or a Hex. Maybe in DX it does but then it's not a fair comparison with the premium plastic of the Buzzz and Hex.
it sucks
Everyone save yourselves some trouble and just get a Mako3 🤣😂🤣 🥏⛳😁 Great anhyzer shots! Those are tough to commit to 🤣
Bought a Mako3 recently, but mine is so flippy I can't trust it at all. Its weird cuz the 'internet' tells me the mako3 shouldnt be a very flippy disc, and when I watch the pros throw it, it really doesnt flip up very much for them. I bought it to replace a very beat up L64 Claymore, but it pretty much flies the same as the Claymore did =(
@@TheDrakmannen you really need ample power for the mako3 to get it on
@@Mr.SpocksBrain I think mine is just a bad run or smth. My buzzzes and md3s don’t flip nearly as much. My mako feels like a 5,5,-3,0. It’s one of those star kona panis shark stamped ones.
I have a champion mako 3 and it's way flippier than my Hex or Buzzz, i can throw a Hex like a 300 foot laser beam and it just barely turns left to right before hitting that soft fade, best shot shaping mid on the market by a longshot